Riddle Me This.... MSU's Ranking

[ShotgunDawg]

Here is where is MSU is ranked by unbiased people & where MSU is ranked by biased people:

Unbiased

Action Network Betting Odds: 11th in the country. Meaning, on neutral field, MSU would be favored over all but 10 teams in the country.
https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/2022-college-football-betting-power-ratings

Bill Connolly S&P: 12th https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1567203050351124489?s=20&t=xnBgHj3hi82w0p_0evyVVQ

Biased:

AP - Not ranked

Coaches Poll - Not ranked

Barrett Sallee - 13th in the SEC. So yes, Barrett Sallee has MSU lower in the SEC than Vegas has us ranked in the country. https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/1566799980584894465?s=20&t=xnBgHj3hi82w0p_0evyVVQ

Also, FWIW Arizona is 90th in S&P. Should be a blow out if we play well.

[Goldendawg]

Well, many of our own fans on this site are afraid we will lose to AZ, so I don't know what to tell you. I feel we will be undefeated when we play LSU and beat them also, however after their FSU defeat the press will say they are very down and still give us little respect. We will have to have a run of 3 or so SEC wins to get a fair ranking.

[BlackSailsDawg]

It would be nice to see some respect early on. It's ok though. We comin'

[msugolf]

He (Sally) has one of the more punchable faces I've ever seen. The fact that someone employs him as a CFB (or any form of sports) writer tells you all you need to know about that industry. All forms of media has turned into the Donahue show.

[parabrave]

Well, many of our own fans on this site are afraid we will lose to AZ, so I don't know what to tell you. I feel we will be undefeated when we play LSU and beat them also, however after their FSU defeat the press will say they are very down and still give us little respect. We will have to have a run of 3 or so SEC wins to get a fair ranking.

Well 34, myself and a few others have been saying that we buttstomp LSU and that we should, on paper, go 10-2.

[BrunswickDawg]

Well, many of our own fans on this site are afraid we will lose to AZ, so I don't know what to tell you. I feel we will be undefeated when we play LSU and beat them also, however after their FSU defeat the press will say they are very down and still give us little respect. We will have to have a run of 3 or so SEC wins to get a fair ranking.

Yeah, our history taking a big ole duce on our own Simmons Beautyrest, and then using it as a feces covered trampoline probably has something to do with it.

[TrapGame]

Well, many of our own fans on this site are afraid we will lose to AZ, so I don't know what to tell you. I feel we will be undefeated when we play LSU and beat them also, however after their FSU defeat the press will say they are very down and still give us little respect. We will have to have a run of 3 or so SEC wins to get a fair ranking.

It will take us beating A&M to get any respect. Go into the A&M game 4-0 and come out 5-0. Then we start getting the love.


Yeah, our history taking a big ole duce on our own Simmons Beautyrest, and then using it as a feces covered trampoline probably has something to do with it.

I believe that called an Amber Heard.**

[WhiskeyPirate]

After looking at Arizona’s roster, they are potentially dangerous at home. They must have a lot of NIL money. They have brought in a ton of players.

We could beat the brakes off most of those teams ranked 10-25. How Arkansas is ranked that much higher than us is a joke, same for Ole Miss.

[ShotgunDawg]

It will take us beating A&M to get any respect. Go into the A&M game 4-0 and come out 5-0. Then we start getting the love.



I believe that called an Amber Heard.**

1. That's probably right but ridiculous

2. The bigger story will be A&M stinking than us being good

[ShotgunDawg]

Is this the result of a heavily left leaning media not liking Leach?

[Big4Dawg]

Is this the result of a heavily left leaning media not liking Leach?

This is probably based on us going 7-6 last year and getting our nuts kicked in by Texas Tech.

[Tater]

Is this the result of a heavily left leaning media not liking Leach?

You're better than this.

[1bigdawg]

This is probably based on us going 7-6 last year and getting our nuts kicked in by Texas Tech.

The media does seem to weigh bowl games heavily early in the season and it seems as if they are a terrible indicator.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Are you crazy, the entire media world loves Leach. They love Leach to talk about crazy shit instead of football, but yeah, they love him.

[Johnson85]

Yeah, our history taking a big ole duce on our own Simmons Beautyrest, and then using it as a feces covered trampoline probably has something to do with it.

Meh, we have certainly blown some opportunities, but we've had one last place finish in the west since A&M joined, and that was covid year with a new coach. That's a decade and three coaches and only one last place finish. There's really no reason to pencil us in for last place by default except for ignorance or in the case of Salley, I guess trolling (not sure if an MSU fan 17ed his wife/girfriend/boyfriend or what).

Just for comparison, Ole Miss also only has one last place finish in that time frame (although they were last place the two years before A&M joined). LSU's only last place finish was a tie last year. Auburn somehow has three in that timeframe, including two winless SEC seasons. Arkansas has 5, including three winless SEC seasons. Pulled these off wikipedia, so caveat emptor on accuracy.

2021 - 3rd (T3)
2020 - 6th (T2; only sole last place finish)
2019 - 5th
2018 - 4th
2017 - 4th (T2)
2016 - 5th (T2)
2015 - 5th (T2)
2014 - 2nd
2013 - 5th (T2)
2012 - 4th

[Coach34]

It's more about the way other schools toot their own horn while we at State always shy away of expectations.

You would think Lame is awesome and their roster is loaded with the way they talk about themselves and pump their team to anybody that will listen. Other schools do this as well. State does not. A few of us have been saying for a few months now that we should win 9-10 games this year. Even our own board here acts like that is crazy- saying 8-4 would be a good year. The hell with that. Lots of people can go 8-4 with this roster.

Transfer QB's usually take a year to develop into quality players. Burreaux, Levis, and many other examples. But Mississippi fans have ignored that and pushed how awesome Lame is with developing QB's and Dart will be different. Saturday clearly showed it will not be different and it will take him a year to adjust like most of the others. We have a QB in his 3rd season in the system that is very accurate on shorter passes. We have the advantage there. But we havent pumped it out to the world like other schools would.

[BrunswickDawg]

Meh, we have certainly blown some opportunities, but we've had one last place finish in the west since A&M joined, and that was covid year with a new coach. That's a decade and three coaches and only one last place finish. There's really no reason to pencil us in for last place by default except for ignorance or in the case of Salley, I guess trolling (not sure if an MSU fan 17ed his wife/girfriend/boyfriend or what).

Just for comparison, Ole Miss also only has one last place finish in that time frame (although they were last place the two years before A&M joined). LSU's only last place finish was a tie last year. Auburn somehow has three in that timeframe, including two winless SEC seasons. Arkansas has 5, including three winless SEC seasons. Pulled these off wikipedia, so caveat emptor on accuracy.

2021 - 3rd (T3)
2020 - 6th (T2; only sole last place finish)
2019 - 5th
2018 - 4th
2017 - 4th (T2)
2016 - 5th (T2)
2015 - 5th (T2)
2014 - 2nd
2013 - 5th (T2)
2012 - 4th

I think the media just doesn't care about how we have been finishing over the past decade +. They see the team that failed to win when it matters - regardless of record.
'09 - give the ball to Boobie and we beat #7 LSU
'10 - give the $ to Cam instead of Kenny Rogers taping calls
'12 - "We Believe"
'14 - lose to a QB on 1 leg who had been blown out by Arkansas a week earlier - blow playoff shot.
'15 - lose 4 of 5 games in which we are a ranked team, including Dak's last home game.
'16 - Dan Pouts, Fitz saves his season.
'17 - UGA & Auburn - nuff said
'18 - Buy those rings! #1 defense......
'19 - Media learned not to listen to JoMo
'20 - All aboard the Bandwagon LOL

[ShotgunDawg]

It's more about the way other schools toot their own horn while we at State always shy away of expectations.

You would think Lame is awesome and their roster is loaded with the way they talk about themselves and pump their team to anybody that will listen. Other schools do this as well. State does not. A few of us have been saying for a few months now that we should win 9-10 games this year. Even our own board here acts like that is crazy- saying 8-4 would be a good year. The hell with that. Lots of people can go 8-4 with this roster.

Transfer QB's usually take a year to develop into quality players. Burreaux, Levis, and many other examples. But Mississippi fans have ignored that and pushed how awesome Lame is with developing QB's and Dart will be different. Saturday clearly showed it will not be different and it will take him a year to adjust like most of the others. We have a QB in his 3rd season in the system that is very accurate on shorter passes. We have the advantage there. But we havent pumped it out to the world like other schools would.

Listen to this man!

He?s right

[Bothrops]

Is this the result of a heavily left leaning media not liking Leach?

The media thinks Kiffin is cool, and Leach is odd, for reference.

[Captain Falcon]

The other thing you have to remember is that we didn?t finish playing until after midnight local time (1 AM eastern). There were probably very few media eyeballs on our game Saturday. And with a late kick in Tucson I wouldn?t expect much different this weekend.

[MetEdDawg]

I think we will have a decent number of folks watching some of our game Saturday.

It's late yes, but an SEC team traveling to a P5 PAC team has some value, especially with us being a fringe Top 25 team. We won't make the late night highlights, but I think enough folks will watch us to make a difference.

Go on the road and make a statement and people will pay attention. Even though I don't think Arizona is particularly good, if we boat race them we will get more respect than our Memphis win got us.

[99jc]

It's more about the way other schools toot their own horn while we at State always shy away of expectations.

You would think Lame is awesome and their roster is loaded with the way they talk about themselves and pump their team to anybody that will listen. Other schools do this as well. State does not. A few of us have been saying for a few months now that we should win 9-10 games this year. Even our own board here acts like that is crazy- saying 8-4 would be a good year. The hell with that. Lots of people can go 8-4 with this roster.

Transfer QB's usually take a year to develop into quality players. Burreaux, Levis, and many other examples. But Mississippi fans have ignored that and pushed how awesome Lame is with developing QB's and Dart will be different. Saturday clearly showed it will not be different and it will take him a year to adjust like most of the others. We have a QB in his 3rd season in the system that is very accurate on shorter passes. We have the advantage there. But we havent pumped it out to the world like other schools would.

Damn 34 you are thinking to rational for these internet pussies!

[thf24]

Jesus, Sallee isn't even remotely trying at this point.

[Hot Rock]

Something about this team just makes me think it's going to get better and better all year and that this will be a fun team to watch all year.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Something about this team just makes me think it's going to get better and better all year and that this will be a fun team to watch all year.

You could see when this team gets rolling they are a Cadillac. Offense is a machine and defense is stifling. How well they can focus and play up to potential is the key. No doubt they are going to have mental lapses, come out flat on occasion, and play sloppy on occasion. And we are going to need some luck, some breaks. The potential is there.

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

I think the media just doesn't care about how we have been finishing over the past decade +. They see the team that failed to win when it matters - regardless of record.
'09 - give the ball to Boobie and we beat #7 LSU
'10 - give the $ to Cam instead of Kenny Rogers taping calls
'12 - "We Believe"
'14 - lose to a QB on 1 leg who had been blown out by Arkansas a week earlier - blow playoff shot.
'15 - lose 4 of 5 games in which we are a ranked team, including Dak's last home game.
'16 - Dan Pouts, Fitz saves his season.
'17 - UGA & Auburn - nuff said
'18 - Buy those rings! #1 defense......
'19 - Media learned not to listen to JoMo
'20 - All aboard the Bandwagon LOL

Don?t forget ?13 when we were 3 plays away from being 3-8, with a loss to Blowing Green.

[Goldendawg]

Don?t forget ?13 when we were 3 plays away from being 3-8, with a loss to Blowing Green.

Heck, years 09 - 20 look pretty good after you lived through Tech and 10 and the Shira years. Hail State!

[RocketDawg]

Here is where is MSU is ranked by unbiased people & where MSU is ranked by biased people:

Unbiased

Action Network Betting Odds: 11th in the country. Meaning, on neutral field, MSU would be favored over all but 10 teams in the country.


The problem is, the way rankings are after week two, we play 3 of the top 6 teams, and we play both 1 and 2 (and that ranking will probably remain all year). Plus, we play 3 more of the Top 25.

[PikeDawg15]

The problem is, the way rankings are after week two, we play 3 of the top 6 teams, and we play both 1 and 2 (and that ranking will probably remain all year). Plus, we play 3 more of the Top 25.

Outside of Alabama and Georgia. Nobody on our schedule scares me currently.

I dont think any of the non georgia and alabama's can score with us ( and we have a good defense)


The one team that i see people not shutting up about in the national media is kentucky. Florida is gonna kill kentucky saturday in the swamp and shut that up week 2.

[fieldcorporal]

the Shira years.

Did you have to bring that up?

[Goldendawg]

Did you have to bring that up?

Remember he got SEC Coach of the year after his only winning season, 6-5. Takes guts to be a lifelong State fan!

[BlackSailsDawg]

It is more than comical that we dominated ranked teams last year, return as much as we do yet can't get ranked. All the while, those teams we beat (NC St, UK, TAMU) those teams lost more, but they get ranked.

Take NC ST. We dominated them. Then in game 1, they had to win with the help of the mighty fighting east Carolina whatever you call them. They remained ranked.



Now, Ms ST dominates Memphis, and in the AP, auburn jumps us.


I welcome it. I hope the teams feeds off it.

[LC Dawg]

It's more about the way other schools toot their own horn while we at State always shy away of expectations.

You would think Lame is awesome and their roster is loaded with the way they talk about themselves and pump their team to anybody that will listen. Other schools do this as well. State does not. A few of us have been saying for a few months now that we should win 9-10 games this year. Even our own board here acts like that is crazy- saying 8-4 would be a good year. The hell with that. Lots of people can go 8-4 with this roster.

Transfer QB's usually take a year to develop into quality players. Burreaux, Levis, and many other examples. But Mississippi fans have ignored that and pushed how awesome Lame is with developing QB's and Dart will be different. Saturday clearly showed it will not be different and it will take him a year to adjust like most of the others. We have a QB in his 3rd season in the system that is very accurate on shorter passes. We have the advantage there. But we havent pumped it out to the world like other schools would.

I agree with this to a point but having media like Sallee shitting on Mississippi State is a whole other conversation. He has enough knowledge that he knows that State should be really good but he tweets that they suck and his mostly ignorant followers believe that. I don't know how we counter that.
I will give Mississippi credit in that they pumped that they won the "transfer portal rankings" and that on top of last year's record has them ranked and set to move up based on their ***** schedule. Props to them for that because State has never done anything as clever as that. They'll drop when the schedule gets tough but they will have gained tons of free media promotion before it happens.

[BulldogBear]

I forget what connection Sallee has to Ole Miss, but he has always thrown shade on MSU. Very biased.

[Reason2succeed]

There is one thing that is changing. I know it will some of you cringe. We need more people in national sports media. And we might just have it.

Having Brandon Walker and?.(dare I say) DAN MULLEN speaking to national audiences could be helpful in the coming years. At least they are clear that we exist and are not The University of Mississippi is big within itself because I am not sure the rest of media knows.

Dan may have some ire about us but even for selfish reasons he will want to make his years at State public knowledge. Brandon fiercely defends us and points out how we are just as good if not categorically better than the media darling Kentucky but the only difference is we haven?t been allowed to feast off of Vanderbilt, Missouri, South Carolina, Tennessee and Florida for the last five years.

Times are changing. Getting someone like Matt Wyatt on the SEC Network would be huge for us. We need to change the narrative and the only thing that will do it is ambassadors like all the other teams have.

[ShotgunDawg]

It is more than comical that we dominated ranked teams last year, return as much as we do yet can't get ranked. All the while, those teams we beat (NC St, UK, TAMU) those teams lost more, but they get ranked.

Take NC ST. We dominated them. Then in game 1, they had to win with the help of the mighty fighting east Carolina whatever you call them. They remained ranked.



Now, Ms ST dominates Memphis, and in the AP, auburn jumps us.


I welcome it. I hope the teams feeds off it.

We disrespect ourselves, so why should we expect others to take us seriously?

Robbie Faulk didn't even vote MSU in his top 25 & Bo Bounds basically goes on the radio every day & bashes the program.

If the people of Mississippi won't even stand up for MSU then why would anyone else?

[ShotgunDawg]

I forget what connection Sallee has to Ole Miss, but he has always thrown shade on MSU. Very biased.

Our own people. Our own alums throw shade at MSU just as much as Sallee

[BrunswickDawg]

Our own people. Our own alums throw shade at MSU just as much as Sallee

I know I threw some in my previous post - but you are right about this. Just look at our own pre-season predictions on here and how many people were "all i see from this schedule is 6-6" and the Po' Ol' Missipi Tate attitude.
In the past I have described this as MSU-Induced PTSD - years of failure and disappointment have conditioned the fanbase to not only expect the worst, but we can't even enjoy the good times.

[ShotgunDawg]

I know I threw some in my previous post - but you are right about this. Just look at our own pre-season predictions on here and how many people were "all i see from this schedule is 6-6" and the Po' Ol' Missipi Tate attitude.
In the past I have described this as MSU-Induced PTSD - years of failure and disappointment have conditioned the fanbase to not only expect the worst, but we can't even enjoy the good times.

We don't understand reality.

We believe because we get whacked by Bama every year that we suck. We in fact, it just means that we aren't #1.

We just take the lack of hope of winning anything as if we stink but we're still a top 20 team.

[TrapGame]

Our own people. Our own alums throw shade at MSU just as much as Sallee

Yep, one's on the radio every morning. He was saying 6-6 this summer. Now his opinion has changed. Imagine that.

[WhiskeyPirate]

I like Robbie Faulk but if he didn’t vote us top 25 and we have garbage like BYU ranked
And ole miss, then he is making me question his football knowledge. We are easily top 25 and would knock the piss out of several of those teams ranked 15-25.

[Coach34]

I agree with this to a point but having media like Sallee shitting on Mississippi State is a whole other conversation. He has enough knowledge that he knows that State should be really good but he tweets that they suck and his mostly ignorant followers believe that. I don't know how we counter that.
I will give Mississippi credit in that they pumped that they won the "transfer portal rankings" and that on top of last year's record has them ranked and set to move up based on their ***** schedule. Props to them for that because State has never done anything as clever as that. They'll drop when the schedule gets tough but they will have gained tons of free media promotion before it happens.

Sallee is on the Mississippi payroll. As we have seen thru our national media pertaining to even news and politics- writers will write anything for the almighty dollar. True or false.

[PikeDawg15]

I agree with this to a point but having media like Sallee shitting on Mississippi State is a whole other conversation. He has enough knowledge that he knows that State should be really good but he tweets that they suck and his mostly ignorant followers believe that. I don't know how we counter that.
I will give Mississippi credit in that they pumped that they won the "transfer portal rankings" and that on top of last year's record has them ranked and set to move up based on their ***** schedule. Props to them for that because State has never done anything as clever as that. They'll drop when the schedule gets tough but they will have gained tons of free media promotion before it happens.

I 100% agree with everything in this post

I will add to this though, I have noticed over past 7-8 years, the Playoff committee always respects us. We are always higher in that poll whenever it comes out than we are in the AP poll. The national media doesn't give a shit about Mississippi State but the people that matter do care because they know that we are a program that consistently beats teams we arent with way less talent and are consistently never the bottom of the sec west.

I remember last season the AP poll had us unranked after beating Kentucky and the CFB playoff rankings had us at #16

[PikeDawg15]

There is one thing that is changing. I know it will some of you cringe. We need more people in national sports media. And we might just have it.

Having Brandon Walker and?.(dare I say) DAN MULLEN speaking to national audiences could be helpful in the coming years. At least they are clear that we exist and are not The University of Mississippi is big within itself because I am not sure the rest of media knows.

Dan may have some ire about us but even for selfish reasons he will want to make his years at State public knowledge. Brandon fiercely defends us and points out how we are just as good if not categorically better than the media darling Kentucky but the only difference is we haven?t been allowed to feast off of Vanderbilt, Missouri, South Carolina, Tennessee and Florida for the last five years.

Times are changing. Getting someone like Matt Wyatt on the SEC Network would be huge for us. We need to change the narrative and the only thing that will do it is ambassadors like all the other teams have.

100% I freaking love Brandon.

More and More people talk about Mississippi State, whether to piss brandon off or not but its a good thing.

Brandon has already called his shot and said that we will beat Georgia this year on his College Football Show recently.

Kentucky's days of feasting off a weak east are over. Tennessee dare I say may be back, Florida may have Nick Saban Jr. , South Carolina is starting to recruit well and have shown to pull in a big name transfer like spencer rattler, and Missouri and Vanderbilt will just Missouri and Vanderbilt.

[Maverick91]

Sallee is on the Mississippi payroll. As we have seen thru our national media pertaining to even news and politics- writers will write anything for the almighty dollar. True or false.

Facts! It is sad the state of propaganda cough journalism that we are witnessing in todays timeframe.

[BulldogBear]

Yep, one's on the radio every morning. He was saying 6-6 this summer. Now his opinion has changed. Imagine that.

I know he has listeners from all schools and doesn't want to appear biased but he's extra with it. Such so that he loses credibility. But he will kiss Bearshark a$$ in a heartbeat. He follows their tailking points and just like them, crowns their team worldbeaters if they show any life at all.

[BulldogBear]

Sallee is on the Mississippi payroll. As we have seen thru our national media pertaining to even news and politics- writers will write anything for the almighty dollar. True or false.

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People like Sallee are doing it on purpose. Any way they can discount or downplay MSU can affect perception and by extension recruiting. He.and others aren't as stupid as they appear. It is calculated strategy. Most on here would be shocked to learn the direct connections to Ole Miss held by an uncomfortably high percentage sports media household names.