Interesting article about so call 5-star Manning

[basedog]

I quit following recruiting years ago, but I read an article by a so-called recruiting "expert" Mike Farrell about Arch Manning being a 5-star. He said it's about his name, if it was Arch Smith, he would be a high3-star. Reason being was his competition he played against wasn't all that good, he has several QB's rated much higher.

I have no clue, but I do know the Manning name has much pull and much over hyped publicity. I guess time will tell.

[BrunswickDawg]

It will be interesting to watch. As good as Peyton was, it still took him camp and four games to overtake Todd Helton. Now, that could have been more about Fat Phil than Peyton, but knowing that Eli redshirted it makes me think Arch may be more Eli than Peyton. But, people are going to expect this kid to be day 1 QB - and in spite of the hype he might not be ready.

[viverlibre]

It will be interesting to watch. As good as Peyton was, it still took him camp and four games to overtake Todd Helton. Now, that could have been more about Fat Phil than Peyton, but knowing that Eli redshirted it makes me think Arch may be more Eli than Peyton. But, people are going to expect this kid to be day 1 QB - and in spite of the hype he might not be ready.

By last year at OM, Eli was great, in spite of not having the best talent around him. He certainly should have won the Heisman his senior year.

[msstate7]

I'm sure texas will be absolutely thrilled if arch is good as Eli even if it takes a year or 2. If arch is Peyton, Texas fans won't be able to quit smiling for years

ETA... arch can be a great get even if he isn't as good as Eli. I'll be pretty shocked if he isn't 1 of the best qbs in the sec by the end of his 2nd year... I don't doubt the bloodlines

[msstate7]

Off topic, do Peyton or Eli have sons?

[Todd4State]

The biggest issue with recruiting rankings is fans assume there is no bias.

[Johnson85]

I'm sure texas will be absolutely thrilled if arch is good as Eli even if it takes a year or 2. If arch is Peyton, Texas fans won't be able to quit smiling for years

ETA... arch can be a great get even if he isn't as good as Eli. I'll be pretty shocked if he isn't 1 of the best qbs in the sec by the end of his 2nd year... I don't doubt the bloodlines

I don't know if Arch will be one of the best qbs in the SEC, but I think what makes him such a desirable recruit is that if he has the athletic ability, it seems like it's a relatively high likelihood that he's not going to fail because of not putting in the work and to a lesser extent, because of not being able to process things quickly enough.

It's going to be interesting to see how the Manning's interact with Texas craziness. Eli was protected from the hype early on at Ole Miss. He could have started his RS Freshman year but unlike most families, the Mannings weren't throwing their weight around trying to get Eli to unseat a solid, senior QB. Plus Eli was still immature at that point, partying hard and not putting in the film room work (although probably still better than average for most RS freshmen qbs) and I dont' think Cutcliffe felt like he had earned it yet.

At UT, the crazies are going to be calling for him to start sooner rather than later and if he's not ready, I could see them turning on him pretty quickly.

[Jack Lambert]

He has 5 Star name. We will see if he really has 5 Star talent. Going to TX was a big mistake.

[Cooterpoot]

I watched him 3 times last year, I wasn't impressed like I thought I would be. He'll have to fight to win the job at Texas, assuming they're bringing in competition for him.

[Jacknut]

It will be interesting to watch. As good as Peyton was, it still took him camp and four games to overtake Todd Helton. Now, that could have been more about Fat Phil than Peyton, but knowing that Eli redshirted it makes me think Arch may be more Eli than Peyton. But, people are going to expect this kid to be day 1 QB - and in spite of the hype he might not be ready.

Helton suffered a knee injury in our game and Peyton came in, so camp four games and the starter going out finally gave him his opportunity.

[BrunswickDawg]

Helton suffered a knee injury in our game and Peyton came in, so camp four games and the starter going out finally gave him his opportunity.

I was there, but I couldn't remember why Helton got yanked. We were their 3rd loss of the season in 5 games - so that would have likely been the end for Helton regardless.

[Jacknut]

I was there, but I couldn't remember why Helton got yanked. We were their 3rd loss of the season in 5 games - so that would have likely been the end for Helton regardless.

Helton was the second stringer. The Tennessee starter got knocked out for the season in the first game vs. UCLA. Who knows what would have happened. Helton was a pretty good athlete. :D

[Maroonthirteen]

I think it's funny in the book of manning they mention Peyton played first against MSU but they don't mention the picks he threw and the L we put on him. Walt Harris had a good day.

[Maroonthirteen]

Oh .... and yeah. Arch.... over rated clap clap... clap-clap.

[Goldendawg]

I don't care how he does as long as we beat TX when they are on our schedule. Hail State!

[Goldendawg]

Oh .... and yeah. Arch.... over rated clap clap... clap-clap.

Archie Who?

[Maroonthirteen]

Didn't espn catch that Archie clown cussing in the stands because pEli got roughed up in the 01 Egg? Fake... Clowns.

[DownwardDawg]

Off topic, do Peyton or Eli have sons?

No

[DownwardDawg]

Didn't espn catch that Archie clown cussing in the stands because pEli got roughed up in the 01 Egg? Fake... Clowns.

More than once

[Pancho]

No

Eli has 3 girls and 1 boy. peyton has twins, a boy and a girl. they are about 11 yr old now I think

[Todd4State]

More than once

Yeah they really didn't like Josh Morgan hitting Eli in the mouth. LOL.

[Todd4State]

I watched him 3 times last year, I wasn't impressed like I thought I would be. He'll have to fight to win the job at Texas, assuming they're bringing in competition for him.

Worst comes to worst he'll get in the portal and go to Ole Miss. Actually if I had to guess that's probably how this plays out in the end.

[State82]

No

Always check the water before you jump.

[DownwardDawg]

Always check the water before you jump.

Lol

[coachnorm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lh7qkAlg6s&t=1s

https://usatodayhss.com/2022/arch-manning-no-1-prospect-or-high-3-star-qb

Manning would struggle to make the top 5 in Los Angeles. He played with and against oversized Pop Warner talent. Look and laugh at the players in the video attached?

[PGHBulldogBG]

Worst comes to worst he'll get in the portal and go to Ole Miss. Actually if I had to guess that's probably how this plays out in the end.

Spot on I think this is exactly how it plays out too

[ShotgunDawg]

I have no problem with giving a Manning two more stars. He's got the best QB mentorship & training that has likely ever existed. To say that his football IQ will be extremely high is putting it lightly.

While I agree that his physical ingredients are closers to a 3 star than 5 star, so were many other great QBs. The reality is that QB is the hardest position on Earth to evaluate, & the one where size, speed, strength, & quickness mean in the least. So why not give a kid that has every advantage known to man a couple extra stars?

Nix was a 5 star for goodness sakes.

[coachnorm]

I have no problem with giving a Manning two more stars. He's got the best QB mentorship & training that has likely ever existed. To say that his football IQ will be extremely high is putting it lightly.

While I agree that his physical ingredients are closers to a 3 star than 5 star, so were many other great QBs. The reality is that QB is the hardest position on Earth to evaluate, & the one where size, speed, strength, & quickness mean in the least. So why not give a kid that has every advantage known to man a couple extra stars?

Nix was a 5 star for goodness sakes.

The reason why you don't give a genetically inferior quarterback, related to Archie, Eli, and Peyton, extra stars is stars are supposed to be earned and not given especially if there could be 10 to 20 high school quarterbacks, in America better than the media darling.

[ShotgunDawg]

extra stars is stars are supposed to be earned and not given especially if there could be 10 to 20 high school quarterbacks, in America better than the media darling.

Can you show me a link as to where it says they're supposed to be earned?

Stars are supposed to be a prediction of future success & draft status.

Let me ask you this: is there a QB in the country that you'd put $50,000 on having a better career than Manning?

[coachnorm]

Can you show me a link as to where it says they're supposed to be earned?

Stars are supposed to be a prediction of future success & draft status.

Let me ask you this: is there a QB in the country that you'd put $50,000 on having a better career than Manning?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u619hejoV6o

Manning couldn't be this guys shoeshine boy. You will see it first hand because he is going to Tennessee. The same thing can be said of others in the Los Angeles area where real talent does not play Pop Warner type of ball. BTW Mater Dei HS won the national championship with a freshman who will even be better. Manning will be dwarfed by him also.

[ShotgunDawg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u619hejoV6o

Manning couldn't be this guys shoeshine boy. You will see it first hand because he is going to Tennessee. The same thing can be said of others in the Los Angeles area where real talent does not play Pop Warner type of ball. BTW Mater Dei HS won the national championship with a freshman who will even be better. Manning will be dwarfed by him also.

Noted. I'll make sure to revisit this in 7 years when all these guys are in the NFL. We'll see who the better player is

[Todd4State]

I have no problem with giving a Manning two more stars. He's got the best QB mentorship & training that has likely ever existed. To say that his football IQ will be extremely high is putting it lightly.

While I agree that his physical ingredients are closers to a 3 star than 5 star, so were many other great QBs. The reality is that QB is the hardest position on Earth to evaluate, & the one where size, speed, strength, & quickness mean in the least. So why not give a kid that has every advantage known to man a couple extra stars?

Nix was a 5 star for goodness sakes.

The biggest advantage to having family in that industry is the advanced knowledge. However, at the end of the day that is only one part of the equation. You still have to be able to perform as an athlete. Just because you have family that played pro sports and is a HOF player it doesn't mean that everyone in the family is going to be a great athlete at whatever sport. I know this firsthand. LOL.

If he's a 3 star talent he should be a 3 star recruit. The fact that he is some NFL QB's grandson or nephew is more of a novelty. Really- what are the odds of three generations being able to be a Pro Bowl/HOF caliber QB? I actually feel kind of bad for him because I can't imagine what kind of pressure he must be under.

[Johnson85]

The biggest advantage to having family in that industry is the advanced knowledge. However, at the end of the day that is only one part of the equation. You still have to be able to perform as an athlete. Just because you have family that played pro sports and is a HOF player it doesn't mean that everyone in the family is going to be a great athlete at whatever sport. I know this firsthand. LOL.

If he's a 3 star talent he should be a 3 star recruit. The fact that he is some NFL QB's grandson or nephew is more of a novelty. Really- what are the odds of three generations being able to be a Pro Bowl/HOF caliber QB? I actually feel kind of bad for him because I can't imagine what kind of pressure he must be under.

Going to be intense and it's crazy because his dad wasn't even a QB, at least not once Peyton got old enough (not sure if he played high school qb and then moved to WR). He could be a really solid QB and not live up to the hype. And I expect UT people to turn on him over it.

[HaggardDawg]

I watched him 3 times last year, I wasn't impressed like I thought I would be. He'll have to fight to win the job at Texas, assuming they're bringing in competition for him.

Same here. A bonafide D1 stud sticks out like a sore thumb in high school ball. He was one of the better players on the field, but he doesn?t look any more athletic than Will Rogers or Altmeyer did in high school.

[Pancho]

I think former Heritage Academy QB-Mack Howard ( now at Oxford High) is similar to him and Howard's best offers so far are Louisville and Memphis.

[Goldendawg]

"We didn't want him anyway."*****

[Matt3467]

I have a feeling if somehow the stars aligned and Manning signed to play here that most of us here would be on a thread saying the exact opposite.

[Tripp McNeely]

I have a feeling if somehow the stars aligned and Manning signed to play here that most of us here would be on a thread saying the exact opposite.

From a recruiting perception standpoint, yes. I watched the dude play twice last year, and meh. Mediocre arm, no mobility.

[coachnorm]

From a recruiting perception standpoint, yes. I watched the dude play twice last year, and meh. Mediocre arm, no mobility.

How do you think he would compete in upper tiered Atalanta or Los Angeles high school football. From afar it appears that he has not played anything but up-scaled Pop Warner ball. I haven't seen him in person, just video clips. He seems to move like a girl from my standpoint?

[Tripp McNeely]

How do you think he would compete in upper tiered Atalanta or Los Angeles high school football. From afar it appears that he has not played anything but up-scaled Pop Warner ball. I haven't seen him in person, just video clips. He seems to move like a girl from my standpoint?

He'd start on name alone. His OL are topping out at 225 lbs. Cooper did a good job of sheltering him at a 1A equivalent school. Who knows how he'll develop, but physically, he's mediocre at best

[Jack Lambert]

Five star name with three star talent.

[coachnorm]

Five star name with three star talent.

Hi Jack, hope your son is having a good high school football career. The boy Manning might not even have 3 star talent because he still has not participated in 3 star competition? Are you going to Tucson for our game out west? If so lets hook up? I would like to share a legitimate 3 star guy, with you and fellow elitediggers, that I met in San Diego who hopes to be Spencer Rattler's replacement when Rattler leaves South Carolina. He is disciplined, huge, and a strong thrower. He will be a senior at Lincoln High School in San Diego. Also check out the Arch Manning YouTube file and see all that freshman/JV material he is getting his pathetic stats with? It tells you something about all the talking heads mascara-ding as so called experts? Cheers

https://247sports.com/player/jalen-daniels-46082509/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewkusxemAAA&t=314s

[MedDawg]

I think former Heritage Academy QB-Mack Howard ( now at Oxford High) is similar to him and Howard's best offers so far are Louisville and Memphis. Howard is committed to Utah. Don't know if that will change with the Pac-12 losing schools.