USC & UCLA Rumored to be Heading to B1G

[BrunswickDawg]

USC & UCLA Rumored to be Heading to B1G - https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34173688/source-usc-ucla-considering-move-pac-12-big-ten

It would be interesting, but they would still suck....

[KOdawg1]

Super conferences are coming.

[msstate7]

Good. Lincoln Riley ran to the pac 12 bc he scared of tough competition. While the big 10 isn't the sec, it would make him have to face some real teams

[basedog]

Good. Lincoln Riley ran to the pac 12 bc he scared of tough competition. While the big 10 isn't the sec, it would make him have to face some real teams

I'd take him!

[Saltydog]

Some of these conferences being so far apart geographically stymies some of the rivalry aspect of it. At least it does for me.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

2 super conferences coming?

[CaptainObvious]

2 super conferences coming?

I think there will 4 18 team conferences before we get to playoff expansion. I also think at some point we will likely have a 2 loss Champion. Gonna get harder for the 5-6 premier teams to go undefeated in conference play.

[coachnorm]

Super conferences are coming.

Great, and I hope all super conference teams are mandated to only play games within the super conferences. No cupcakes just quality football?

[FISHDAWG]

It will give them better bowl tie-ins while still having a shot at the Rose Bowl ... but one hell of a long ride home after a disappointing loss. I never really cared about Pac-12 football and now maybe for me they will be a little more interesting. I bet Washington, Stanford, & Oregon are wondering what's next and best for them ... and if I remember correctly BYU recently joined and there are probably some good Mormons using bad language right now

[coachnorm]

It will give them better bowl tie-ins while still having a shot at the Rose Bowl ... but one hell of a long ride home after a disappointing loss. I never really cared about Pac-12 football and now maybe for me they will be a little more interesting. I bet Washington, Stanford, & Oregon are wondering what's next and best for them ... and if I remember correctly BYU recently joined and there are probably some good Mormons using bad language right now

https://investors.geniussports.com/news/news-details/2022/Genius-Sports-Agrees-to-Major-Expansion-of-Live-Streaming-Official-Data-and-Fan-Engagement-Partnership-With-bet365/default.aspx

The true new power base like Genius, the casinos, and Sports air and streaming networks probably could care less, about bowl tie in, when they are carving up their new toy?

[Homedawg]

Great, and I hope all super conference teams are mandated to only play games within the super conferences. No cupcakes just quality football?

that means every other conference gets shut down. Be careful what you wish for......

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I remember back in the early 90s Jackie Wayne Sherrill in a Bulldog Club meeting said in the future there would be Four 16 Team Conferences.

[TrapGame]

I remember back in the early 90s Jackie Wayne Sherrill in a Bulldog Club meeting said in the future there would be Four 16 Team Conferences.

That's interesting. I bet it will be four 18 team conferences. The top 72 teams in the country.

[coachnorm]

that means every other conference gets shut down. Be careful what you wish for......

I feel and respect your statement but I am accepting the future. Money greed is taking over sports globally and college football is too small to resist the powers that are taking over. I put a link in my past statement but really wonder if fellow elitedoggers really see whats coming? Even the SEC as we know it is at threat because of the enormity of the power structures. I fully believe that there will be teams relegated out of super conferences to assure the competitiveness preferences of the new power structure overlords. The overlords want maximum viewership of feature games and could care less about the relegated because relegated teams do not make the big money in their scheme of things. I do not like this but see it coming. The only good thing I see is the removal of cup cake games that cloud up the win loss standings.

BTW, I believe that the overlords want Las Vegas to thrive to fill up their casinos with visitors. Look for UNLV to get accommodated and competitive within five years?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Big 10 needs to come get Mizzou

[Cooterpoot]

Those Cali nipples are going to get so hard playing up north. Going to see a lot of shrinkage from those schools too. There may never be a night or early game in that conference.

[coachnorm]

Those Cali nipples are going to get so hard playing up north. Going to see a lot of shrinkage from those schools too. There may never be a night or early game in that conference.

Washington, Oregon, Utah and Colorado get cold during the winter. That is 6 of 12 in the conference? USC has played games in the ice and snow in the past?

[Apoplectic]

Big 10 needs to come get Mizzou

Then go get Clemson, va tech, fsu, nc state, and Ok state

[Apoplectic]

Big ten will get ga tech, unc, duke, and uva

[PGHBulldogBG]

This doesn?t surprise me. The Big 10 wants 16 teams like the SEC and these 2 are probably the best available right now not counting Notre Dame and Clemson money wise. Once Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida State, Oregon, Miami and Stanford find other conferences that pretty much takes up all the major teams. All others will be tied to the SEC or Big 10.

[Quaoarsking]

I think we end up with a Power 2 of ~24 teams each. The Big 10 takes a few more from the Pac-12 and ACC, and the SEC takes a few southern ACC schools and maybe Oklahoma State

[The Federalist Engineer]

USC & UCLA Rumored to be Heading to B1G - https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34173688/source-usc-ucla-considering-move-pac-12-big-ten

It would be interesting, but they would still suck....

Part of the BIG 10 NIL package will be keeping the frequent flier miles? LAX to Columbus, Washington DC, Detroit, Indianapolis, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, etc.

Greta Thunberg is going to go nuts about the carbon footprint of the Big 10's totally meaningless and forgettable softball and volleyball games. "How dare you!"

[PGHBulldogBG]

I think we end up with a Power 2 of ~24 teams each. The Big 10 takes a few more from the Pac-12 and ACC, and the SEC takes a few southern ACC schools and maybe Oklahoma State

SEC: Clemson, Fla State, Miami, Ok State, NC State, UNC, Baylor and Va Tech

Big 10: Oregon, Notre Dame, Colorado, Stanford, Washington, Boston College, Virginia and Utah

[1bigdawg]

If I am the Big 12, I would try to add Arizona, Stanford (or Cal), Washington and Oregon and be at 16. Then we would have 4 16-team super-conferences. Everybody could go to the pos system and have conference semi-final games. Big money.

[ImissCityBagel]

If I am the Big 12, I would try to add Arizona, Stanford (or Cal), Washington and Oregon and be at 16. Then we would have 4 16-team super-conferences. Everybody could go to the pos system and have conference semi-final games. Big money.

Yeah, they should go for something like "Pacific-Mountain" conference.

[Commercecomet24]

If I am the Big 12, I would try to add Arizona, Stanford (or Cal), Washington and Oregon and be at 16. Then we would have 4 16-team super-conferences. Everybody could go to the pos system and have conference semi-final games. Big money.

Looks like the whole thing is a POS system right now, ha!

[BrunswickDawg]

Official - Big 10 voted to add them.

[Maroonthirteen]

This is all about the Big Ten negotiating a new tv contract. This move may get them to that $1B number that is rumored.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

The ability to keep these things quiet has been astounding to me

[CaptainObvious]

The ability to keep these things quiet has been astounding to me

There are rumors that this was known by people involved with the Playoff expansion discussions and that is why they tabled the discussions.

[BrunswickDawg]

And now this

https://twitter.com/lamikeblack/status/1542652096373202950?s=21&t=GF_tzoLPxQfvDZKIdv_o7A

[HoopsDawg]

I absolutely hate this for college athletics.

[Commercecomet24]

I absolutely hate this for college athletics.

Yep being destroyed one piece at a time.

[Goldendawg]

Just older dogs like me will get this. As long as we are one of the "Harlem Globetrotters" and not none of the "Washington Generals", I can learn to adjust to change.

[Dawg2003]

So is the PAC 12 going to eventually disband?

[Quaoarsking]

So is the PAC 12 going to eventually disband?

Probably. Everybody wants out. I suspect they'll all go to the Big 10 if they can, Big 12 if they can't, and Oregon State and Washington State may have to settle for the MWC.

[Maroonthirteen]

Unfortunately we already are the Washington Generals for one game a year..... probably two this year.

I long for the Bama games of 80,81, 91,92, 94, 96-00. What fun heavy weight slug fest those were.

[FISHDAWG]

if they have already applied then they knew much earlier ... it's hard to keep a secret like this and may have been part of the plan anyway

[Maroonthirteen]

So.... what is the SEC next move to increase TV money above the B1G?

The only big fish out there, from a tv perspective is Notre Dame. Obviously they are aligned with the ACC for other sports and nobody for football. Will Notre Dame lose the USC rivalry with usc playing a B1G schedule?

If I'm the SEC, my next move is to go after ND. In the meantime, try to land Duke and UNC for basketball and academic reasons. Then go after Notre dame hard and mention the academic profile is being raised with Duke and UNC. I would think Duke and UNC would join the sec today if asked.

Miami and FSU are considerations. Especially Miami but I'm not familiar enough with that area of the country to know how many TV subscribers and ratings for Hurricane football. I think FSU and Clemson are in a tough spot. They can be interesting for matchup purposes but I don't think they bring in anymore TV for the SEC.

Other than those mentioned, I can't think of a school left worth poaching for the SEC.

[DownwardDawg]

Just older dogs like me will get this. As long as we are one of the "Harlem Globetrotters" and not none of the "Washington Generals", I can learn to adjust to change.

I'm with ya!!

[DownwardDawg]

Unfortunately we already are the Washington Generals for one game a year..... probably two this year.

I long for the Bama games of 80,81, 91,92, 94, 96-00. What fun heavy weight slug fest those were.
I loved those games. Even though we lost most of them we were so damn physical and fun to watch. When this leach experiment is over, I hope we go back to something similar to what Dan ran with much better play calling and recruiting.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

I think we all can agree that we should be thankful to be OG charter members of the SEC, however, we might need to worry if any of these "super conferences" think its a good idea to "trim fat" to make room for others. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't there have to be a majority vote among the schools to kick a school out of a conference? The issue there is money talks...

[Coach34]

We wont ever be kicked out of the SEC

They could however form a new conference of some sort

[PGHBulldogBG]

So.... what is the SEC next move to increase TV money above the B1G?

The only big fish out there, from a tv perspective is Notre Dame. Obviously they are aligned with the ACC for other sports and nobody for football. Will Notre Dame lose the USC rivalry with usc playing a B1G schedule?

If I'm the SEC, my next move is to go after ND. In the meantime, try to land Duke and UNC for basketball and academic reasons. Then go after Notre dame hard and mention the academic profile is being raised with Duke and UNC. I would think Duke and UNC would join the sec today if asked.

Miami and FSU are considerations. Especially Miami but I'm not familiar enough with that area of the country to know how many TV subscribers and ratings for Hurricane football. I think FSU and Clemson are in a tough spot. They can be interesting for matchup purposes but I don't think they bring in anymore TV for the SEC.

Other than those mentioned, I can't think of a school left worth poaching for the SEC.

Clemson and FSUs problem is that they have the GoR through 2036. I think the ACC was smart putting this in place to keep the conference together. It?s going to be tough for anyone to jump out of that conference because they essentially need to give app their revenue to the conference

[Maroonthirteen]

They could however form a new conference of some sort

Yep! If college football continues to go unregulated and unchecked .... I see the big blue bloods rearranging the whole thing with new conferences to get more tv money.

[Liverpooldawg]

Washington, Oregon, Utah and Colorado get cold during the winter. That is 6 of 12 in the conference? USC has played games in the ice and snow in the past?

USC also plays every other year in South Bend, Indiana.

[coachnorm]

Yep! If college football continues to go unregulated and unchecked .... I see the big blue bloods rearranging the whole thing with new conferences to get more tv money.

Maybe it's already started behind the scenes. I see two super conferences, with 20 teams each, with promotion and relegation just like the Premier League. The power structure will buy its way in and then take over. Check out the links?

https://geniussports.com/

https://investors.geniussports.com/news/news-details/2022/Genius-Sports-Agrees-to-Major-Expansion-of-Live-Streaming-Official-Data-and-Fan-Engagement-Partnership-With-bet365/default.aspx

https://geniussports.com/customer-stories/ncaa-transforms-data-ecosystem-with-livestats/

[TheLostDawg]

https://twitter.com/LaMikeBlack/status/1542652096373202950?t=5UAu2fK0d8ghhVajpLbgyQ&s=19

The big question- is the sec in works to add two more teams and this hasn't surfaced yet. I know they were voting on how the future schedule would be laid out but did the vote to not do pods push this possibly even further to becoming true?

And if so which two teams could it be?

[coachnorm]

https://twitter.com/LaMikeBlack/status/1542652096373202950?t=5UAu2fK0d8ghhVajpLbgyQ&s=19

The big question- is the sec in works to add two more teams and this hasn't surfaced yet. I know they were voting on how the future schedule would be laid out but did the vote to not do pods push this possibly even further to becoming true?

And if so which two teams could it be?

The new college football competition will be driven by Fox for the BIG and ESPN for SEC. The on field competition will be relegated behind the Fox - ESPN money grab competition. The ESPN footprint come first and the SEC preferences will be second in the near future. ESPN can not let Fox get the Charlotte NC footprint on the new borders of the college football map. Charlotte has stronger NIL capabilities than most SEC town or cities? NIL will dictate the quality of future teams so the North Carolina of today will be better in the future, Miami should be safe, because of geography, for ESPN's new super league which it will eventually own? ESPN might dictate that a specific monetary footprint be established and specific teams accommodate their mandate. Once the money is exchanged to the SEC, it will be subservient to its monetary overlord?

[Quaoarsking]

Maybe it's already started behind the scenes. I see two super conferences, with 20 teams each, with promotion and relegation just like the Premier League. The power structure will buy its way in and then take over. Check out the links?

https://geniussports.com/

https://investors.geniussports.com/news/news-details/2022/Genius-Sports-Agrees-to-Major-Expansion-of-Live-Streaming-Official-Data-and-Fan-Engagement-Partnership-With-bet365/default.aspx

https://geniussports.com/customer-stories/ncaa-transforms-data-ecosystem-with-livestats/

I would love to see that in pro sports, but there's no way in Hell Mississippi State (or about half of the Big 10/SEC schools really) should even consider agreeing to that. And for that matter, why would schools like Florida, Auburn, Texas, or Notre Dame (all of whom would be been relegated in the last decade) agree to it either?

[BrunswickDawg]

I would love to see that in pro sports, but there's no way in Hell Mississippi State (or about half of the Big 10/SEC schools really) should even consider agreeing to that. And for that matter, why would schools like Florida, Auburn, Texas, or Notre Dame (all of whom would be been relegated in the last decade) agree to it either?

We've done pretty good in this 15 year relegation sim that SB Nation did for a while

http://https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/6/6/15724156/college-football-relegation-promotion-simulation (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/6/6/15724156/college-football-relegation-promotion-simulation)

[coachnorm]

I would love to see that in pro sports, but there's no way in Hell Mississippi State (or about half of the Big 10/SEC schools really) should even consider agreeing to that. And for that matter, why would schools like Florida, Auburn, Texas, or Notre Dame (all of whom would be been relegated in the last decade) agree to it either?

I understand what you are getting at but big money networks will eventually seize control from both the SEC and the BIG. The money monster that is evolving will eventually demand ROI, as it sees it, and get it. The money monster will dictate who is relegated because it will seize power to do it. Relegation protect the quality of the investment? There is a reason why I put in the attachments for observation. BTW, I do not like this scenario but I see it coming.

[Bothrops]

So is the PAC 12 going to eventually disband?

All the conferences as we know them now will dissappear. There will be no SEC, no BIG whatever, no PAC or ACC. Once realignment is complete, in however many years, new leagues will form along with new names. It's about the mighty dollar and who is worth what; that will dictate who will be washing, and who will be hanging out. I think some programs precluded from this deal will eventually shutdown, because there won't be any real options on the table for them, unless those institutions can band together and come up with something innovative in the way of ideas and get necessary support for it. You can bet the blueprint for this whole plan is laid out, and outlined in periodic stages. This is going to be chaos for the fans.

[TheLostDawg]

All the conferences as we know them now will dissappear. There will be no SEC, no BIG whatever, no PAC or ACC. Once realignment is complete, in however many years, new leagues will form along with new names. It's about the mighty dollar and who is worth what; that will dictate who will be washing, and who will be hanging out. I think some programs precluded from this deal will eventually shutdown, because there won't be any real options on the table for them, unless those institutions can band together and come up with something innovative in the way of ideas and get necessary support for it. You can bet the blueprint for this whole plan is laid out, and outlined in periodic stages. This is going to be chaos for the fans.

The thing that makes money is the viewers. If they go too far then it's basically another professional league which I agree that it is on its way to becoming. However they can't go too far because they'll lose a lot of viewers. No one wants another NFL. They want college sports. When they get too far from being about each college, no one will care. There is a reason why it's not more than 32 NFL teams. If places like state gets left out, they lose their Mississippi audience. It'll be like Montana where they aren't going to pay extra to upgrade for one extra channel.
A 72 team league I can see with another smaller league. Somewhat like d1 d2. That being said they are going to need at least one college in each state.

[TheLostDawg]

How would yall feel if they put 40 state schools in one division and the rest in another then the top school in each division play each other for the championship? Like afc nfc.

With one cross division game

[coachnorm]

How would yall feel if they put 40 state schools in one division and the rest in another then the top school in each division play each other for the championship? Like afc nfc.

With one cross division game

Who do you think "THEY" are? It's going to be the Fox assets versus the ESPN assets for corporate profits. The idea of 40 "STATE" schools in one division is a non starter in the eyes of the new overlords. It's just like you stated, SEC new name is ESPN, the AFC, and BIG is NFC new name is Fox. As the python squeezes, it will determine who is going to be in "THEIR" newly acquired game.

[TheLostDawg]

https://sports.yahoo.com/pac-12-acc-had-chance-to-save-themselves-botched-playoff-142405174.html

[coachnorm]

Who do you think "THEY" are? It's going to be the Fox assets versus the ESPN assets for corporate profits. The idea of 40 "STATE" schools in one division is a non starter in the eyes of the new overlords. It's just like you stated, SEC new name is ESPN, the AFC, and BIG is NFC new name is Fox. As the python squeezes, it will determine who is going to be in "THEIR" newly acquired game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LiAToQ_q_0

Josh Pate indicated that the Power 2 will only add a few more programs into their product. That is why I believe that the end game will be 20 in the former SEC now Disney/ESPN and 20 in the former BIG now FOX. Josh indicated the network demands of a quality product which in my mind smells of relegation. If a program fails to meet the quality mandate it probably will be served with documentation of non compliance. That document will be public and some outside of the Power 2 will start making a presentation on why they should be considered to be the new replacement. From a basketball comparison think of the Power 2 as the NCAAs and the others as NIT.

[Dawg2003]

Will the new conferences only be for football? What will happen to basketball and all of the non-revenue sports?

[coachnorm]

Will the new conferences only be for football? What will happen to basketball and all of the non-revenue sports?

The boardrooms of Disney/ESPN and Fox will establish value as they see it and issue corporate directives? The SEC and the BIG will accommodate their new overlords. Non revenue sports in a revenue making environment look threatened to me

[TheLostDawg]

The boardrooms of Disney/ESPN and Fox will establish value as they see it and issue corporate directives? The SEC and the BIG will accommodate their new overlords. Non revenue sports in a revenue making environment look threatened to me

Or do they capitalize on it. I could see them push to make baseball for one more popular. More ratings throughout the year. Not sure how Michigan and notre Dame will do but bringing in Stanford and ucla will help fox baseball ratings. Year round viewers help their bottom line.

[Cooterpoot]

Will the new conferences only be for football? What will happen to basketball and all of the non-revenue sports?

Football will be separate. Football is going to completely break away.

[PendingTransaction]

NIL is just a distraction. Conference realignment is the real money game.

[Catfish]

ESPN and Fox will get the teams they want in their conference. In order to sustain teams and players money is the key. Perhaps the new NIL monies comes from ESPN and Fox aimed directly at the players.

[coachnorm]

ESPN and Fox will get the teams they want in their conference. In order to sustain teams and players money is the key. Perhaps the new NIL monies comes from ESPN and Fox aimed directly at the players.

In addition to what you are saying, Disney/ESPN will probably take over a good part of game scheduling. Disney/ESPN did not pay hundreds of millions of dollars to have week 11 cup cakes polluting their time slots. They will exact revenge if the Fox conference has a better product in late November and kills them, in the ratings, because of bad game scheduling by the SEC?. I see both networks mandating that Power 2 conferences only play against Power 2 competition. Something like the first two weeks Disney/ESPN teams play Fox conference teams and then 10 Disney/ESPN games before their playoffs.

[TheLostDawg]

In addition to what you are saying, Disney/ESPN will probably take over a good part of game scheduling. Disney/ESPN did not pay hundreds of millions of dollars to have week 11 cup cakes polluting their time slots. They will exact revenge if the Fox conference has a better product in late November and kills them, in the ratings, because of bad game scheduling by the SEC?. I see both networks mandating that Power 2 conferences only play against Power 2 competition. Something like the first two weeks Disney/ESPN teams play Fox conference teams and then 10 Disney/ESPN games before their playoffs.

Espn/fox will be paying them.

However the question is, will there be a draft?