Want to play with the Big Boys in the NIL game?

[Pinto]

https://theathletic.com/news/ryan-day-ohio-state-nil-money/B5gAPd06FIwQ/

[The Federalist Engineer]

Huge fan base in a big state, 13M is no problem

[StarkVegasSteve]

You know I was thinking about this the other day and teams can pay 5 mil, 10 mil, 50 mil it does not matter. If you cannot recruit at one position you can spend 100 million and still lose. If you cannot recruit and develop a QB then nothing else matters. I mean look at LSU. We know they have been paying players for half a century but it took a stroke of luck with Joe Burrow to unlock their offense. And you can do that with any team. Find me a team after Bama in 15-16 that won with an average QB. You can pay all you want, but if you cannot evaluate and develop the position then you will not break through. This is why we actually set up well if the playoff expands because we have one of the best QB evaluators at the college level. Not saying we will be national contenders, but we are better positioned than some might believe.

[Pinto]

I agree, but this to me is one more death nail in MSU Football. Let?s put all our eggs in the basketball/baseball basket and let it ride.



Huge fan base in a big state, 13M is no problem

[Coach34]

We're done in football. That should be obvious now. A&M just spent $30MM to land a ridiculous recruiting class. They will do it again next year. As will others.

Football in 2022 and beyond is now changed

[StarkVegasSteve]

We're donr in football. That should be obvious now. A&M just spent $30MM to land a ridiculous recruiting class. They will do it again next year. As will others.

Football in 2022 and beyond is now changed

A&M spent 30 million to go 8-4. They still do not have a QB. And they have zero in the pipeline. Haynes King, Max Johnson, nor Connor Weggman will strike fear into anyone at the P5 level.

Jimbo has never and IMO will never be able to develop that position.

[OLJWales]

My College Jock Rash's discomfort just intensified and is spreading. My prior mistresses, NFL, MLB & NBA are hanging out here at the bar looking better by the minute as closing time nears egged on further by each pain relieving sip.

[Coach34]

A&M spent 30 million to go 8-4..

No- they spent $30MM on their future to ensure 10 wins per. Another $30MM for this December's signing class will elevate them into the top 8 of college football that wins 10-plus every year

That $30MM is just getting to campus. It's the future. As will each class moving forward.

[StarkVegasSteve]

No- they spent $30MM on their future to ensure 10 wins per. Another $30MM for this December's signing class will elevate them into the top 8 of college football that wins 10-plus every year

That $30MM is just getting to campus. It's the future. As will each class moving forward.

Again, find me a QB Jimbo has been able to develop and I will agree with you. He was gifted Mond and Jameis was so athletic and physically gifted even he could not screw him up

[msstate7]

Again, find me a QB Jimbo has been able to develop and I will agree with you. He was gifted Mond and Jameis was so athletic and physically gifted even he could not screw him up

Maybe he'll buy one.

You don't have to have elite qbs to win big time if you start stacking top 3 classes. Bama used to routinely win with subpar qb play, and Georgia just won one with freaking bennett. The question is if aTm can stack 3-4 elite classes in a row. 1 here and there won't get you in elite status, but 3-4 in a row will

[StarkVegasSteve]

Maybe he'll buy one.

You don't have to have elite qbs to win big time if you start stacking top 3 classes. Bama used to routinely win with subpar qb play, and Georgia just won one with freaking bennett. The question is if aTm can stack 3-4 elite classes in a row. 1 here and there won't get you in elite status, but 3-4 in a row will

?Used to?. I will agree Bennett is a subpar QB but UGA had the best defense we have seen since Bama in either 2012 or 13. Those classes come around once a decade and those guys were grinders that were also Uber talented. Jimbo is not recruiting grinders. He is recruiting guys who want the bag.

[IMissJack]

Again, find me a QB Jimbo has been able to develop and I will agree with you. He was gifted Mond and Jameis was so athletic and physically gifted even he could not screw him up

Alabama has won multiple national championships with an 'eh quarterback. A&M can do the same if other positions are good enough without relying on Jimbo to develop a great quarterback.

[Dawgology]

We're done in football. That should be obvious now. A&M just spent $30MM to land a ridiculous recruiting class. They will do it again next year. As will others.

Football in 2022 and beyond is now changed

This. It?s really college football in name only. It?s a minor league and it?s going to be NFL?esque before they incorporated parity rules (which they did to keep it from dying). Same thing will happen with ?college? football. They need to just create a minor league for 18-22 year old and make college football back amateur with student requirements and no scholarships.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Alabama has won multiple national championships with an 'eh quarterback. A&M can do the same if other positions are good enough without relying on Jimbo to develop a great quarterback.

Again read my previous statement, prior to 2015. A&M cannot do good enough. They could've in 2011 but not in today's game. Y'all can all believe that Jimbo is going to own everyone. You will also all be wrong at the end of the day. In the modern era of college football only one position matters, QB. Unless you have an otherworldly defense like UGA did last year and even then it took Bill O'Brien and Bama's two best WR being out to win.

[coachnorm]

Just to add gasoline to the flames of NIL, think about Las Vegas. The casinos have spent a lot into the new stadium. Casinos get the premium seats for their clientele. When they run out of available seats at Raider games, they need to accommodate clientele with another product and that will be UNLV football.

The casinos will NIL UNLV to an elite level to assure quality football availability to the big spenders at the CASINOS stadium? When casinos decide to pull the trigger on their determined NIL, UNLV will have a bigger war chest than Alabama?

The NCAA will be compromised because of their new betting relationships with casinos. Fasten your seat belts.

https://insidersport.com/2022/04/29/sports-betting-deals-approved-by-ncaa-for-schools-and-conferences/

https://sportshandle.com/ncaa-adjusts-sports-betting-data-sale-policy/

[Cowbell]

No- they spent $30MM on their future to ensure 10 wins per. Another $30MM for this December's signing class will elevate them into the top 8 of college football that wins 10-plus every year

That $30MM is just getting to campus. It's the future. As will each class moving forward.

Ummm...no

[Cowbell]

Alabama has won multiple national championships with an 'eh quarterback. A&M can do the same if other positions are good enough without relying on Jimbo to develop a great quarterback.

You just compared Saban to Jimbo. Hahaha you been hanging out with 7 I guess

[Coursesuper]

We're done in football. That should be obvious now. A&M just spent $30MM to land a ridiculous recruiting class. They will do it again next year. As will others.

Football in 2022 and beyond is now changed

Yep, the game has totally changed and we are have been handed our hat and coat.

[Dawg2003]

The NIL is making a broken system worse. There are only a handful of teams that can compete for a natty each year. Why even watch? With basketball and baseball, you don't know who will win each year.

[BuckyIsAB****]

No- they spent $30MM on their future to ensure 10 wins per. Another $30MM for this December's signing class will elevate them into the top 8 of college football that wins 10-plus every year

That $30MM is just getting to campus. It's the future. As will each class moving forward.

Half of those kids will transfer. If people who donated knew where the money was doing theyd stop. Im sorry I love MSU as much as anyone ever has and ever will but I am not giving my money that I work for, which nobody but God and my own father helped me to get to get some kids to come to school here. When they have 0 accountability and can up and leave with no punishment whenever they want. I hate to get political but we can all blame the left, social media and ourselves for giving in. They were already getting paid stipends and supplements every month on top of a free education and living every kids dream. We have allowed people who have 0 interest and 0 experience to ruin one of the greatest sports that ever existed.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Half of those kids will transfer. If people who donated knew where the money was doing theyd stop. Im sorry I love MSU as much as anyone ever has and ever will but I am not giving my money that I work for, which nobody but God and my own father helped me to get to get some kids to come to school here. When they have 0 accountability and can up and leave with no punishment whenever they want. I hate to get political but we can all blame the left, social media and ourselves for giving in. They were already getting paid stipends and supplements every month on top of a free education and living every kids dream. We have allowed people who have 0 interest and 0 experience to ruin one of the greatest sports that ever existed.

This is why I believe that NIL legislation is coming. Donors are going to want some sort of guarantee that these kids are not taking the money and running. Because the more and more prevalent that gets I think you see less and less NIL deals. I have thought that the best way to do this is when they sign their NLI that it is worded how long they will be in school and if you try to transfer before the agreement is over you cannot play at another school. Now most people will say well kids will just sign one year deals, but doing so would affect their marketability in the NIL world IMO. No one is going to want to give 6 figures to a kid who is going to be playing for another school the next year.

[msstate7]

I would GUESS that these big time NIL deals aren't lump sum upfront... I'm sure they're paid in installments

[BrunswickDawg]

Half of those kids will transfer. If people who donated knew where the money was doing theyd stop. Im sorry I love MSU as much as anyone ever has and ever will but I am not giving my money that I work for, which nobody but God and my own father helped me to get to get some kids to come to school here. When they have 0 accountability and can up and leave with no punishment whenever they want. I hate to get political but we can all blame the left, social media and ourselves for giving in. They were already getting paid stipends and supplements every month on top of a free education and living every kids dream. We have allowed people who have 0 interest and 0 experience to ruin one of the greatest sports that ever existed.

If you hate to get political, don't.

This solely lays at the feet of the NCAA - not the left or the right. If you paid attention during the Ed O'Bannon case you can see how clearly the law is on the side of the Athletes already. That was settled in 2015 and the NCAA did JACK SHIT FOR 5 YEARS to work with all involved to reach a workable solution. Couple that with the NCAA vs. Alston which "The Supreme Court unanimously found the NCAA’s compensation rules violated the Sherman Act when they restricted non-cash education-related benefits such as post-eligibility undergraduate or graduate scholarships or tutoring, study-abroad expenses, and paid post-eligibility internships" and how that kept athletes from taking advantage of opportunities related to their EDUCATION, they were doomed.

The NCAA was creating rules and structures that in fact discriminated against athletes on scholarship. A kid well known enough to be able to sell a t-shirt with his name on it should be able to do so - just like the kids in school who hustle similar side jobs to make a buck (watch the Catholics vs. Convicts 30 for 30 about the guys hustling t-shirts). A student athlete - if he qualifies for it - should not be ineligible for a study abroad scholarship just because he plays football. The NCAA blew every opportunity to create a workable system because 1) the amount of money involved made the NCAA and the Universities too greedy; and 2) the belief in the "amateurism" mirage that has never been a real fact about college athletics.

Now, that has opened Pandoras box because our idiot "win at all costs" society has used the opportunity to just flood the system with money and turn things into the wild west. It's going to hurt the MSU's of the world, and we can only hope that the SEC figures out how to get a handle on it and level the playing field before we really do get back to being the MSU of the Charlie Shira era.

[confucius say]

We're done in football. That should be obvious now. A&M just spent $30MM to land a ridiculous recruiting class. They will do it again next year. As will others.

Football in 2022 and beyond is now changed

Counter point: we've been getting outspent for years in football recruiting. Larger scale for everybody now, but we are the same in the recruiting pecking order that we've always been as compared to the big boys.

[confucius say]

No- they spent $30MM on their future to ensure 10 wins per. Another $30MM for this December's signing class will elevate them into the top 8 of college football that wins 10-plus every year

That $30MM is just getting to campus. It's the future. As will each class moving forward.

We'll see. Half of those kids won't be there in two years. I'd place a nice size bet that they don't average a 10-2 regular season or better the next 5 years. Even 10 years.

[Cowbell]

Contracts will be the next step. When these kids start having to sign contracts, I will be waiting with popcorn.

[msstate7]

Do these NIL deals come with a W9 at the end of the year? I'd hate to pay the tax responsibility

[coachnorm]

Do these NIL deals come with a W9 at the end of the year? I'd hate to pay the tax responsibility

The tax issues are probably handled by the NIL contractions. Take notice of the attachments in this statement and notice the listing of NIL affiliates to Bryce Young. One describes the NIL deal before arrival at Alabama and the other is a pittance after arrival. None of the NIL funding is payments from the University? The closest affiliation in State is an additional NIL deal after the fact from a local BMW dealer?. The NCAA has no jurisdictional authority over an Alabama player collecting money out of State because the SCOUS says so. Sadly, what is going to happen when one casino sets point spreads and another casino sets differently? One player could be indentured to one casino NIL and another player to another NIL provider? Consider absorbing the attachments in this statement and marry it with my earlier post. The college football fans need to get out of their echo chambers, of the past, and understand the past is moot and void.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2021/12/10/Marketing-and-Sponsorship/Bryce-Young.aspx

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/bryce-young-shows-off-latest-nil-deal-with-bmw-of-tuscaloosa/

[Activated Alpha]

If you hate to get political, don't.

This solely lays at the feet of the NCAA - not the left or the right. If you paid attention during the Ed O'Bannon case you can see how clearly the law is on the side of the Athletes already. That was settled in 2015 and the NCAA did JACK SHIT FOR 5 YEARS to work with all involved to reach a workable solution. Couple that with the NCAA vs. Alston which "The Supreme Court unanimously found the NCAA?s compensation rules violated the Sherman Act when they restricted non-cash education-related benefits such as post-eligibility undergraduate or graduate scholarships or tutoring, study-abroad expenses, and paid post-eligibility internships" and how that kept athletes from taking advantage of opportunities related to their EDUCATION, they were doomed.

The NCAA was creating rules and structures that in fact discriminated against athletes on scholarship. A kid well known enough to be able to sell a t-shirt with his name on it should be able to do so - just like the kids in school who hustle similar side jobs to make a buck (watch the Catholics vs. Convicts 30 for 30 about the guys hustling t-shirts). A student athlete - if he qualifies for it - should not be ineligible for a study abroad scholarship just because he plays football. The NCAA blew every opportunity to create a workable system because 1) the amount of money involved made the NCAA and the Universities too greedy; and 2) the belief in the "amateurism" mirage that has never been a real fact about college athletics.

Now, that has opened Pandoras box because our idiot "win at all costs" society has used the opportunity to just flood the system with money and turn things into the wild west. It's going to hurt the MSU's of the world, and we can only hope that the SEC figures out how to get a handle on it and level the playing field before we really do get back to being the MSU of the Charlie Shira era.

Yeah I'm going to disagree with this. Back in 2010 during the initial agenda to give athletes money for play was pushed by the left and left leaning mainstream media. Started out in the West and grew from there. No one on the right was adamant for this type of situation. In fact, most people on the right back then were saying how this would create an even more disparity and cause multiple discrimination cases. So yeah this started out be political by the left, not the NCAA....

Speaking as an indepenet

[BrunswickDawg]

Yeah I'm going to disagree with this. Back in 2010 during the initial agenda to give athletes money for play was pushed by the left and left leaning mainstream media. Started out in the West and grew from there. No one on the right was adamant for this type of situation. In fact, most people on the right back then were saying how this would create an even more disparity and cause multiple discrimination cases. So yeah this started out be political by the left, not the NCAA....

Speaking as an indepenet

You are conflating different issues. Paying players or revenue sharing is a different issue. Some of that grew out of the O'Bannon efforts - but what NIL is is not the same as making players employees. It is recognizing that an individual has an inherent right to control the use of their name and the singular right to profit from it. It is about as a conservative position as one can take. As a private individual, non-athlete, I am allowed to control that. If you take a picture of me without my permission, sell it and make a million $ - I can sue you. The NCAA not only restricted that right - they profited off of selling it to EA sports. Im all for NIL.

If a kid can sell his autograph for $50, great. If he can get a deal with a car dealer to drive courtesy car in exchange for doing an ad, no problem - shit, our local high school coach gets a new Tundra every season from our local Toyota dealer to use for "advertising" - why shouldn't a player be able to make that deal.

Now - where I do part a bit is what we consider the athletes. They have been getting paid by universities since the day scholarships were created. They receive contractual compensation in exchange for being provided an education. Are they employees?? By the definition of the word, probably. But ultimately, isn't being able to better yourself and benefit off your talents the American way?? Now, where I do think it may get "left" as you say, is how do you regulate that so it is fair, and do so in a way that is inclusive of both sides needs and wants. That's where likely unionizing and creating a collective bargaining agreement is probably the most effective way to approach the issue. You see now what the failure of trying to ignore these issues has created - a lawless vacuum that threatens to rip away all the good parts because no one is actually willing to work toward solutions and compromise.

[BuckyIsAB****]

If you hate to get political, don't.

This solely lays at the feet of the NCAA - not the left or the right. If you paid attention during the Ed O'Bannon case you can see how clearly the law is on the side of the Athletes already. That was settled in 2015 and the NCAA did JACK SHIT FOR 5 YEARS to work with all involved to reach a workable solution. Couple that with the NCAA vs. Alston which "The Supreme Court unanimously found the NCAA’s compensation rules violated the Sherman Act when they restricted non-cash education-related benefits such as post-eligibility undergraduate or graduate scholarships or tutoring, study-abroad expenses, and paid post-eligibility internships" and how that kept athletes from taking advantage of opportunities related to their EDUCATION, they were doomed.

The NCAA was creating rules and structures that in fact discriminated against athletes on scholarship. A kid well known enough to be able to sell a t-shirt with his name on it should be able to do so - just like the kids in school who hustle similar side jobs to make a buck (watch the Catholics vs. Convicts 30 for 30 about the guys hustling t-shirts). A student athlete - if he qualifies for it - should not be ineligible for a study abroad scholarship just because he plays football. The NCAA blew every opportunity to create a workable system because 1) the amount of money involved made the NCAA and the Universities too greedy; and 2) the belief in the "amateurism" mirage that has never been a real fact about college athletics.

Now, that has opened Pandoras box because our idiot "win at all costs" society has used the opportunity to just flood the system with money and turn things into the wild west. It's going to hurt the MSU's of the world, and we can only hope that the SEC figures out how to get a handle on it and level the playing field before we really do get back to being the MSU of the Charlie Shira era.


I didnt say it was all on the left I also said we could blame ourselves for giving in. But if you dont think the left has something to do with this you are lying to yourself. I wont go any further

[BuckyIsAB****]

You are conflating different issues. Paying players or revenue sharing is a different issue. Some of that grew out of the O'Bannon efforts - but what NIL is is not the same as making players employees. It is recognizing that an individual has an inherent right to control the use of their name and the singular right to profit from it. It is about as a conservative position as one can take. As a private individual, non-athlete, I am allowed to control that. If you take a picture of me without my permission, sell it and make a million $ - I can sue you. The NCAA not only restricted that right - they profited off of selling it to EA sports. Im all for NIL.

If a kid can sell his autograph for $50, great. If he can get a deal with a car dealer to drive courtesy car in exchange for doing an ad, no problem - shit, our local high school coach gets a new Tundra every season from our local Toyota dealer to use for "advertising" - why shouldn't a player be able to make that deal.

Now - where I do part a bit is what we consider the athletes. They have been getting paid by universities since the day scholarships were created. They receive contractual compensation in exchange for being provided an education. Are they employees?? By the definition of the word, probably. But ultimately, isn't being able to better yourself and benefit off your talents the American way?? Now, where I do think it may get "left" as you say, is how do you regulate that so it is fair, and do so in a way that is inclusive of both sides needs and wants. That's where likely unionizing and creating a collective bargaining agreement is probably the most effective way to approach the issue. You see now what the failure of trying to ignore these issues has created - a lawless vacuum that threatens to rip away all the good parts because no one is actually willing to work toward solutions and compromise.

I am not saying they should not make money off of commercials or advertisements. But when you give the left something they take a mile and it will never ever be good enough

[StarkVegasSteve]

I am not saying they should not make money off of commercials or advertisements. But when you give the left something they take a mile and it will never ever be good enough

You are always conveniently leaving out or forgetting that the guy who wrote the Supreme Court opinion on the matter stating explicitly that athletes should be getting compensated was Trump appointed justice Brett Kavanaugh. Politics has nothing to do with NIL issues we are currently seeing. It quite simply is just the NCAA running when they should have walked and rolling this out with ZERO safeguards.

[OLJWales]

You are conflating different issues. Paying players or revenue sharing is a different issue. Some of that grew out of the O'Bannon efforts - but what NIL is is not the same as making players employees. It is recognizing that an individual has an inherent right to control the use of their name and the singular right to profit from it. It is about as a conservative position as one can take. As a private individual, non-athlete, I am allowed to control that. If you take a picture of me without my permission, sell it and make a million $ - I can sue you. The NCAA not only restricted that right - they profited off of selling it to EA sports. Im all for NIL.

If a kid can sell his autograph for $50, great. If he can get a deal with a car dealer to drive courtesy car in exchange for doing an ad, no problem - shit, our local high school coach gets a new Tundra every season from our local Toyota dealer to use for "advertising" - why shouldn't a player be able to make that deal.

Now - where I do part a bit is what we consider the athletes. They have been getting paid by universities since the day scholarships were created. They receive contractual compensation in exchange for being provided an education. Are they employees?? By the definition of the word, probably. But ultimately, isn't being able to better yourself and benefit off your talents the American way?? Now, where I do think it may get "left" as you say, is how do you regulate that so it is fair, and do so in a way that is inclusive of both sides needs and wants. That's where likely unionizing and creating a collective bargaining agreement is probably the most effective way to approach the issue. You see now what the failure of trying to ignore these issues has created - a lawless vacuum that threatens to rip away all the good parts because no one is actually willing to work toward solutions and compromise.

Your free market capitalism stuff is spot on however many don't know socialism's actual definition or the fact we were founded on it in many aspects. Socialism is anytime entire blocks of people come together for the common good like our Revolutionary Patriots did. Governments themselves are socialistic but needed to maintain a civil society and even life insurance could be considered a form of socialism. The political debate has always been how much and how it's balanced. I love our country's freedom allowing individuals to make as much money possible within the confines of law however some things need a 2nd look like sports. Salary Caps mock free market capitalism yet created a better product by increasing Franchise Competition and Corporate Work Effort needed for success all the way down to coaching staffs. No more fat cats just laying back slingin' $$$ to win. The boredom created by the predictability of haves and nots needed fixin' and our country's geographically fragmented sports landscape needed to unite filling stadiums once half abandoned along the way . Coast to Coast and shit. That's what I call Great Socialism but Please note, the NOT so Great Socialism stuff is Strictly Prohibited by ED and violations can result in imprisonment up to but not exceeding 1 year; automatic 1 year for environmental convictions including "the B Word".

So, Denying the wealthy their American Right to buy as much as they like? Most times yes but not this time Jerry. Ain't no reason though leaving these kids out while everyone else in the game rakes it all in. After all, they ARE the performers we pay to see but for the industry survival's sake, let's set reasonable caps because Auctions are awesome for Art Paintings & Cows; not Athletes.

[BrunswickDawg]

Your free market capitalism stuff is spot on however many don't know socialism's actual definition or the fact we were founded on it in many aspects. Socialism is anytime entire blocks of people come together for the common good like our Revolutionary Patriots did. Governments themselves are socialistic but needed to maintain a civil society and even life insurance could be considered a form of socialism. The political debate has always been how much and how it's balanced. I love our country's freedom allowing individuals to make as much money possible within the confines of law however some things need a 2nd look like sports. Salary Caps mock free market capitalism yet created a better product increasing Competition and Work Ethic needed for success. No more fat cats just laying back slingin' $$$ to win. The boredom created by the predictability of haves and nots needed
fixin' and our country's geographically fragmented sports landscape needed to unite filling stadiums once half abandoned along the way . Coast to Coast and shit.
That's what I call Great Socialism. (Please note, the NOT so Great Socialism stuff is Strictly Prohibited by ED and violations can result in imprisonment up to but not exceeding 1 year; automatic 1 year for environmental convictions) Denying the wealthy their American Right to buy as much as they like? Most times yes but not this time Jerry. Ain't no reason though leaving these kids out while everyone else in the game rakes it all in. After all, they ARE the performers we pay to see. But for the industry survival's sake, let's set reasonable caps. Auctions are awesome for Art Paintings & Cows; not Athletes.


Exactly. They only way it is political is that like our political parties, the NCAA stuck their heads in the sand and refused to acknowledge that they were headed to a terrible outcome. Were there talking heads yammering on about players being slaves, needing to pay players yada yada? Of course, because that is what we do.

Now, if I were to get political, I would say that having spent my life since the Reagan Era listening to conservatives prattle on about less government regulation (in this case the govt. is the NCAA), free markets are the best markets, man should be able to make as much money off his god given talents and his god given right to life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and those with less should work hard and pull themselves up by their bootstraps - I would think the right should be jerking off to the miracle of this NCAA induced Ayn Rand utopia of no rules and cash is king, and greed - for the lack of a better term - is good. Apparently, those views extend so far as the end of their nose since they aren't the ones benefitting from the philosophies they loudly endorse.

But, as you say, this is one of those instances where a little socialism is a good thing. Rules are needed, competitive balance should be create in such a way that teams abilities to get the most out of their talent and abilities wins out over an anti-competitive market where all the power rests with a few, generates enough money go around so the rising tide lifts all boats.

[CaptainObvious]

It will not work for every school in team sports because the marginal athletes will get very little while the Bryce Youngs get a million. It works at Alabama because Saban demands the marginal athlete tow the line or hit the road.

But at some point, for spite, some offensive linemen getting $5000 per year are going to become swinging gates as a 300 lb Dlineman blows through and semi decapitates a QB making $100000 a year. Before you say that can?t happen, remember we have 18 years killing 20 year olds for $20 on the streets of Jackson. Envy can make someone hate. It happens every day.

[Coach34]

But at some point, for spite, some offensive linemen getting $5000 per year are going to become swinging gates as a 300 lb Dlineman blows through and semi decapitates a QB making $100000 a year.

Not if they want to play in the NFL. They are graded on every play in college now.

[OLJWales]

Exactly. They only way it is political is that like our political parties, the NCAA stuck their heads in the sand and refused to acknowledge that they were headed to a terrible outcome. Were there talking heads yammering on about players being slaves, needing to pay players yada yada? Of course, because that is what we do.

Now, if I were to get political, I would say that having spent my life since the Reagan Era listening to conservatives prattle on about less government regulation (in this case the govt. is the NCAA), free markets are the best markets, man should be able to make as much money off his god given talents and his god given right to life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and those with less should work hard and pull themselves up by their bootstraps - I would think the right should be jerking off to the miracle of this NCAA induced Ayn Rand utopia of no rules and cash is king, and greed - for the lack of a better term - is good. Apparently, those views extend so far as the end of their nose since they aren't the ones benefitting from the philosophies they loudly endorse.

But, as you say, this is one of those instances where a little socialism is a good thing. Rules are needed, competitive balance should be create in such a way that teams abilities to get the most out of their talent and abilities wins out over an anti-competitive market where all the power rests with a few, generates enough money go around so the rising tide lifts all boats.

Thanks Bruns for one of the best internet exchanges I've had in a while. Your "Ayn Ryan Utopia" Segment was words of iron done with creative whit making even a fan of hers like me smile. Successfully combining that lady's name with utopia is just...damn.

So back to other bidness regarding your blatant display of total gluttony of your GA Halfshelves not caring for those landlocked in Fort Worth after moving from Fat City still with fresh Oyster Memories. If evern' I'm up yo way I'll be a comin' to collect a dozen or so from ya fer pain & suffrin'.

Hope your Covid recovery left nothing lingering about sir.

[CaptainObvious]

Fair enough. But at some point in this litigious society, the lawyers are going to fight for equity for the ones who play sports but get little to nothing.

[OLJWales]

Thanks Bruns for one of the best internet exchanges I've had in a while. Your "Ayn Ryan Utopia" Segment was words of iron done with creative whit making even a fan of hers like me smile. Successfully combining that lady's name with utopia is just...damn.

So back to other bidness regarding your blatant display of total gluttony of your GA Halfshelves not caring for those landlocked in Fort Worth after moving from Fat City still with fresh Oyster Memories. If evern' I'm up yo way I'll be a comin' to collect a dozen or so from ya fer pain & suffrin'.

Hope your Covid recovery left nothing lingering about sir.


Fair enough. But at some point in this litigious society, the lawyers are going to fight for equity for the ones who play sports but get little to nothing.

As long as profits are being made from a specific Athletic Organization be they public or private, Athlete Compensation needs to be addressed. And Yes, dis DOES mean Women Folk paddling in a lake fulfilling Title IX don't get SHIT!!

[Lord McBuckethead]

Mond wasn?t and isn?t good.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Yeah I'm going to disagree with this. Back in 2010 during the initial agenda to give athletes money for play was pushed by the left and left leaning mainstream media. Started out in the West and grew from there. No one on the right was adamant for this type of situation. In fact, most people on the right back then were saying how this would create an even more disparity and cause multiple discrimination cases. So yeah this started out be political by the left, not the NCAA....

Speaking as an indepenet

I am going to disagree with you. Back in 2010 when this initially started, people (not the left or the right) agreed that players should have the same rights as any other student. They should be able to make money any legal way they see fit and the NCAA should piss off trying to tell an adult what they can and cannot do. Students of all types can make money any and all ways.

Does it 17 the system, yes. Is it a very clear way of ?cheating? to get the best players, yes. Only cheating if you hate money being a deciding factor in a player going to a school. Or sucks because football used to be enjoyable when it was just actual students forming a team and playing other students. But hell guys, it hasn?t been that way since the 1940s or longer.

This is the game. It will never go back from here on out. Never. Lawsuits will be filed the second they try to withhold any money from any student that could earn that money. It will not change, and will only expand even further in recruiting as long as the first step to being a championship team is to have better players than your competition at every position. aTm knows this. They have a plan to ensure it. And it is legal now. That is just the way it is. Anyone of us can call up a high school senior and offer bags of cash at any time.

[OLJWales]

I am going to disagree with you. Back in 2010 when this initially started, people (not the left or the right) agreed that players should have the same rights as any other student. They should be able to make money any legal way they see fit and the NCAA should piss off trying to tell an adult what they can and cannot do. Students of all types can make money any and all ways.

Does it 17 the system, yes. Is it a very clear way of ?cheating? to get the best players, yes. Only cheating if you hate money being a deciding factor in a player going to a school. Or sucks because football used to be enjoyable when it was just actual students forming a team and playing other students. But hell guys, it hasn?t been that way since the 1940s or longer.

This is the game. It will never go back from here on out. Never. Lawsuits will be filed the second they try to withhold any money from any student that could earn that money. It will not change, and will only expand even further in recruiting as long as the first step to being a championship team is to have better players than your competition at every position. aTm knows this. They have a plan to ensure it. And it is legal now. That is just the way it is. Anyone of us can call up a high school senior and offer bags of cash at any time.

The SC upheld salary caps way back when so the NCAA should have a clear path if they wanna pursue the right path barring any SC Packing being currently threatened by those opposed to the gun in my closet.

[confucius say]

The SC upheld salary caps way back when so the NCAA should have a clear path if they wanna pursue the right path barring any SC Packing being currently threatened by those opposed to the gun in my closet.

Too, nothing the the SC has handed down prevents the ncaa from enforcing restrictions against NIL (like preventing it from being used in the recruiting process). In fact, the Alston case limited it's holding to "education-related" benefits and even talked about the need to balance amateurism principles with anti trust and capitalism principles. The ncaa just got soft. Enacting the free transfer rule at the same time NIL came on the scene was incredibly dumb.

[IMissJack]

The SC upheld salary caps way back when so the NCAA should have a clear path if they wanna pursue the right path barring any SC Packing being currently threatened by those opposed to the gun in my closet.

If a salary cap was implemented on college players, could they do it for coaches also?

[BrunswickDawg]

If a salary cap was implemented on college players, could they do it for coaches also?

They should - and there should probably a budget cap as well and limits to number of personnel - if the goal is actual competitive balance. Do that and pair conferences in tiers with promotion and relegation and then we will be cooking

[Schultzy]

The NCAA should have never banned extra benefits in the first place. It should be a free for all in that regard and effectively was since the 1940’s…

Except for randomly placing programs on probation just to make themselves look like they were this moral authority when they knew damn well EVERYBODY was doing it to one extent or another.

The Mike Slive file 13 approach to all complaints about recruiting by one school against another was brilliant and really propelled the SEC during his tenure.

If it were a free for all concerning extra benefits we wouldn’t even have to deal with NIL issues at all. The old system was the best system if the NCAA would just totally do away with putting programs on probation.

There is, and never was, anything wrong with an individual giving his own money to a college kid to come play sports for the University he loves. But the current NIL/portal system is a total cluster and we’ll spend years trying to figure it out before ditching it for who knows what.

[OLJWales]

The NCAA should have never banned extra benefits in the first place. It should be a free for all in that regard and effectively was since the 1940’s…

Except for randomly placing programs on probation just to make themselves look like they were this moral authority when they knew damn well EVERYBODY was doing it to one extent or another.

The Mike Slive file 13 approach to all complaints about recruiting by one school against another was brilliant and really propelled the SEC during his tenure.

If it were a free for all concerning extra benefits we wouldn’t even have to deal with NIL issues at all. The old system was the best system if the NCAA would just totally do away with putting programs on probation.

There is, and never was, anything wrong with an individual giving his own money to a college kid to come play sports for the University he loves. But the current NIL/portal system is a total cluster and we’ll spend years trying to figure it out before ditching it for who knows what.

I disagree with all of that. Current NIL structure has no safeguards the previous way had where "Gentlemen agreements" created balance that if some team gets too far outta line then punishment becomes a possibility. Socialism in Sports is a tried and true Proven industry grower.

I'm thinking maybe things use to be like : " Hey Mike Check this BS Jimbo's been pulling" " Yea Nick this looks excessive, I'll give him a call letting him know a NOI's going out if continued" "Thanks Mike".... Instead now we get NCAA Censoring bad stuff said about their self made cluster 17 and the spats go from internal to media frenzies.

[Schultzy]

I disagree with all of that. Current NIL structure has no safeguards the previous way had where "Gentlemen agreements" created balance that if some team gets too far outta line then punishment becomes a possibility. Socialism in Sports is a tried and true Proven industry grower.

I'm thinking maybe things use to be like : " Hey Mike Check this BS Jimbo's been pulling" " Yea Nick this looks excessive, I'll give him a call letting him know a NOI's going out if continued" "Thanks Mike".... Instead now we get NCAA Censoring bad stuff said about their self made cluster 17 and the spats go from internal to media frenzies.

I don’t think you understand. I’m saying no NOI’s, no rules, no going on probation, no turning anyone in (bc there are no rules concerning extra benefits) in the universe of recruiting.

No wondering who turned you in (by the way being able to face your accuser is a staple of our judicial system) we never heard from the ncaa who was turning in who which was always total bullshit.

[Schultzy]

You see the answer should never be “yeah Nick this looks excessive, I’ll give Jimbo a call.”

It should always be “yeah Nick (or any other hypocritical coach turning someone else in) STFU we all know you’re doing the same damn thing and even more excessively.”

[OLJWales]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QaKj9iISQUE

ED Edited Caption: "17 you!, 17 you! & 17 you!.. Who Next?"