Isiaih Mosley ?

[ZedFedder]

We?ve been told he is pretty much in, but we haven?t seen a commitment or announcement. Is this concerning?

[OLJWales]

He must have some good MO State film going from a 3 Star croot to garnering attention from the likes of KS.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

He must have some good MO State film going from a 3 Star croot to garnering attention from the likes of KS.

he does. And his stats are really good.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He is probably the best pure scorer in the portal. He will frustrate you at times because he gets a little Dillon BrooksEsque at times with his shot selection and he is not going to be a defensive stopper. But the good FAR outweighs the bad.

You add him to a starting five of Davis, Jeffries, Akot, and Tolu and you have a team that can score from every direction.

[Hot Rock]

I am wondering myself. Recruiting is always such a guessing game. Its hard to know why or what going on behind the scenes or what can make a person decide. I know this, I certainly didn't know what I wanted to do at that age.

[OLJWales]

Winning a crootin' battle Agin KS even if immediate and more playing minutes are the reasons would be Morning Maroon Wood.

[Coach34]

longer it delays the worse it is for us

[PGHBulldogBG]

If this guy has offers from Kansas and Texas Tech it sounds like this isn?t promising. I wouldn?t count on him coming to State unless he has some previous ties to Miss State

[NCMSTFAN]

The Crystal ball has him committed to us at 100%. There has also been some articles written saying we are the favorites but I agree, the longer we wait I don't like our chances to get him. We were one of his 1st visits a couple of weeks ago and things have been really quiet since.

To answer your question OLJWales, on film his athleticism won't blow you away but his efficiency and ease of scoring will, but he does tend to hog the ball alot. He just knows how to put the ball in the goal. He averaged 20 ppg 6 rpg and 2.3 apg shooting 50% from the field and 42% from three...... with multiple 30 and 40 plus point games. He's probably the best scorer in the portal.

[Dawgfan77]

He has taken one visit and that was here. And his name is still in the draft. He doesn't have anymore visits scheduled. He has been getting draft feedback. So pump the brakes on its bad.

[OLJWales]

He has taken one visit and that was here. And his name is still in the draft. He doesn't have anymore visits scheduled. He has been getting draft feedback. So pump the brakes on its bad.

Yep. Some here need to give our new administration a chance before doubting them. We've got a new younger & high energy coach but I also realize we just fired a pretty damned good crooter IMO.

[NCMSTFAN]

Yep. Some here need to give our new administration a chance before doubting them. We've got a new younger & high energy coach but I also realize we just fired a pretty damned good crooter IMO.

I dont think anyone is doubting the new coach, just asking questions. That's normal to do when you get a totally new staff in place. I for one think he is going to be a great coach, I just worried about him being able to recruit at this level because he hasn't had to do it yet... I said this weeks ago if he is able to land Mosley or a player of that caliber my recruiting questions about him will go away... but it's natural to have a concern about the unknown

People had concerns about the Air Raid working in the SEC... thats proven to be a valid concern and alot of people still don't think it will work

[Bothrops]

He must have some good MO State film going from a 3 Star croot to garnering attention from the likes of KS.

Stars mean even less in basketball

[NCMSTFAN]

Stars mean even less in basketball
I dont know... its about the same in my opinion. You will always have the 3 star guy to come out of nowhere and be a good NBA player... but it happens in football at about the same rate.. let's be honest, the majority of star NBA and NFL players were 4 and 5 star recruits

[OLJWales]

No Mosley IUD's within last 90 minutes sir. All Clear for now.

[Hot Rock]

I dont know... its about the same in my opinion. You will always have the 3 star guy to come out of nowhere and be a good NBA player... but it happens in football at about the same rate.. let's be honest, the majority of star NBA and NFL players were 4 and 5 star recruits

Actually the average star rating of NFL players is less than 4 star. I listened to an interview with Bo Pelini and he said the average star rating of the Superbowl one year was 2.5 stars out of HS.

He then told the story of sending a coach to look at a five star guy with the plan to offer on that trip. He wanted to review the highlight tapes first. He didn't like the highlights so he looked at his game tapes. By the time the coach got there, Pelini had looked at his film. Because he reviewed all the game tapes he noticed two other guys. He told his coach not to offer the 5 star guy but to look at these other two guys on that team. They ended up offering both the other two guys on that trip and not offering the 5 star. He said after his coach left, within 24 hrs the two guys he had offered got a 4 star ratings.

The five star ended up not being any good and both the other guys had good NFL careers. He said the star system was shit and never paid much attention to it.

Yes, teams that win National championship teams have more 4 & 5 star guys but for every Bama winning a title there is a Texas barely going bowling. Ratings aren't garbage but a coach of significance has to see them first before they get properly rated.

[FISHDAWG]

Actually the average star rating of NFL players is less than 4 star. I listened to an interview with Bo Pelini and he said the average star rating of the Superbowl one year was 2.5 stars out of HS.

He then told the story of sending a coach to look at a five star guy with the plan to offer on that trip. He wanted to review the highlight tapes first. He didn't like the highlights so he looked at his game tapes. By the time the coach got there, Pelini had looked at his film. Because he reviewed all the game tapes he noticed two other guys. He told his coach not to offer the 5 star guy but to look at these other two guys on that team. They ended up offering both the other two guys on that trip and not offering the 5 star. He said after his coach left, within 24 hrs the two guys he had offered got a 4 star ratings.

The five star ended up not being any good and both the other guys had good NFL careers. He said the star system was shit and never paid much attention to it.

Yes, teams that win National championship teams have more 4 & 5 star guys but for every Bama winning a title there is a Texas barely going bowling. Ratings aren't garbage but a coach of significance has to see them first before they get properly rated.

I remember when our Thorpe award winner Johnathan Banks was being considered for the draft ... the team that was going to draft him noticed Darius Slay while studying film and ended up drafting Slay instead... I think Banks was drafted with the next pick by a different team

[Rawdawg]

Actually the average star rating of NFL players is less than 4 star. I listened to an interview with Bo Pelini and he said the average star rating of the Superbowl one year was 2.5 stars out of HS.

He then told the story of sending a coach to look at a five star guy with the plan to offer on that trip. He wanted to review the highlight tapes first. He didn't like the highlights so he looked at his game tapes. By the time the coach got there, Pelini had looked at his film. Because he reviewed all the game tapes he noticed two other guys. He told his coach not to offer the 5 star guy but to look at these other two guys on that team. They ended up offering both the other two guys on that trip and not offering the 5 star. He said after his coach left, within 24 hrs the two guys he had offered got a 4 star ratings.

The five star ended up not being any good and both the other guys had good NFL careers. He said the star system was shit and never paid much attention to it.

Yes, teams that win National championship teams have more 4 & 5 star guys but for every Bama winning a title there is a Texas barely going bowling. Ratings aren't garbage but a coach of significance has to see them first before they get properly rated.

Buddy stars matter. There?s only 32 5 star players a year, one for every NFL team, so of course there are more 3 and 4 star players in the NFL. If you look at the percentage of 5 stars making it to the NFL vs 3 star the stars are staggering.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Saban excels because he is such a good evaluator of top talent that he usually can tell which 5 stars are junk and which are legit. I believe stars matter but you can?t be like an Ole Miss and just offer players because of the number of stars next to their name. It?s important to get legit 5 star talent along with being able to evaluate underachieving 3 and 4 stars. That?s the key to winning national championship.

[basedog]

Saban excels because he is such a good evaluator of top talent that he usually can tell which 5 stars are junk and which are legit. I believe stars matter but you can?t be like an Ole Miss and just offer players because of the number of stars next to their name. It?s important to get legit 5 star talent along with being able to evaluate underachieving 3 and 4 stars. That?s the key to winning national championship.

It’s not just Saban doing all the evaluations, he has so many coaches and personnel working for Bama football. Big time advantage for Bama.

[CaptainObvious]

224 players are drafted by NFL teams every year. If every there are 32 5 stars signed every year and 5 star senior and junior got drafted based on your numbers, the max would be 64. That leaves 160 4 and 3 stars if my math is correct. Stars matter to the best programs in college football because the best programs always get 90% of them. 4 stars is what teams 12-30 build their programs on. And historically, meaning the past 25 years, State has averaged in top 35 with several 3 stars. Imagine if State could sign 12 4 stars each year.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Wait wait let me get this straight... so Saban, Kirby, Urban (when he coached College), Lincoln Reilly, Jimbo and every other successful coach in the country try to sign the highest rated players they can... but failed coach Bo Pelini says ranking don't matter, so you're going to believe they are useless?

There are underrated and overrated guys, also head cases that never reach their athletic potential. BUT, by and large, Charles Cross and Jeffery Simmons were 5*s because it was clear in HS they were studs. Both were 1st round picks. Yes sometimes a 3* stud like Montez Sweat slips through, that's the anomaly.

Again, there is a reason the coaches that make the playoffs fill their classes either highly rated guys, and nobody outside the top 10 recruiting rankings even sniff a Natty.

[ZedFedder]

Mosley is officially withdrawn from the NBA Draft. I hope we hear good news soon…

[OLJWales]

Mosley is officially withdrawn from the NBA Draft. I hope we hear good news soon…

Thank you for the update.

[Hot Rock]

Buddy stars matter. There?s only 32 5 star players a year, one for every NFL team, so of course there are more 3 and 4 star players in the NFL. If you look at the percentage of 5 stars making it to the NFL vs 3 star the stars are staggering.

Never said stars don't matter. They do but your thoughts on the math are off.

Blue chip players (4-5 stars) are your top 300 players every year with the average stay in the NFL 3.3 years. 3.3 x 300 = 990 1696 players on the 32 team 53 man roster. That's way more than one per team. If they are truly the elite then they can last 10-15 years depending on their position. If 4-5 star guys are your truly elite athletes then you have a pool of thousands from which to pick. 10 years x 300 = 3000 which is twice as many as are in the NFL that washed out or are gone.

What happens is 3/5 of your 5 stars don't make it. Then 4 stars are way less likely than that. Then there is such a vast number of 2-3 star guys that just as many of them or more make it. Even a lot of 2 stars make it. Kickers skew that number, what's the highest rated kicker out of HS? not very high uh?

I get it stars matter but if that's all you look at as a coach you are doing it wrong. Once Nebraska offered those two guys they all of a sudden got their proper ratings.

It's not that the 5 star player is not good, it's that they miss guys. Coaches can't wait for a service to find them. Both those guys Pelini got ended up getting properly rated as 4 star guys but if he hadn't offered, they could have ended up at OBSURE U as 2-3 star. IT's not that the 4 & 5 star's aren't good, it's that all those 2-3 star guys simply do not get seen.

Here is where you lost me buddy:

Pelini is a damn good coach. His HC record was 67-27 at Nebraska - Never won less than 9 games and he coached them through losing the TEXAS recruiting base. They have not won 9 games since he left 8 years ago.

[mparkerfd20]

Mosley is officially withdrawn from the NBA Draft. I hope we hear good news soon?

WRONG. He's staying in the draft, officially.

https://247sports.com/Article/USC-basketball-Isaiah-Mobley-staying-in-2022-NBA-Draft-188176824/

[klong-dog]

WRONG guy. That's Mobley from USC.

[662dawg]

WRONG. He's staying in the draft, officially.

https://247sports.com/Article/USC-basketball-Isaiah-Mobley-staying-in-2022-NBA-Draft-188176824/

That's Isaih Mobley not Mosley lol

[OLJWales]

WRONG. He's staying in the draft, officially.

https://247sports.com/Article/USC-basketball-Isaiah-Mobley-staying-in-2022-NBA-Draft-188176824/

So he's officially staying in beyond the deadline to either live or die by the NBA Sword? If so, all hopes are lost. STATE Things have been pissing me off for a while now and I'm starting to get Jock Rash from it. If this NIL Shit ain't fixed and this rash grows and worsens I'm tuning out college sports and going back after a 25 year hiatus to NFL, MLB & NBA. Will check STATEs Live Stats via Interwebs and turn the TV on if they are playing competitively.:confused:

[klong-dog]

I personally think he will pick Kansas any day now.

[ScoobaDawg]

So he's officially staying in beyond the deadline to either live or die by the NBA Sword? If so, all hopes are lost. STATE Things have been pissing me off for a while now and I'm starting to get Jock Rash from it. If this NIL Shit ain't fixed and this rash grows and worsens I'm tuning out college sports and going back after a 25 year hiatus to NFL, MLB & NBA. Will check STATEs Live Stats via Interwebs and turn the TV on if they are playing competitively.:confused:

Dude... he posted the wrong person.. lol

[Big4Dawg]

I personally think he will pick Kansas any day now.

Kansas is full

[OLJWales]

I personally think he will pick Kansas any day now.

More Jock Rash. I was (still am kinda) excited with this guy and positive comments about our chances. Emotional Investments in STATE are high risk and have been horribly volatile of late.

[ZedFedder]

It’s definitely odd that it’s been nothing but MSU for weeks but no decision. Seems iffy at best.

[OLJWales]

Dude... he posted the wrong person.. lol

Yea, it was a timing issue. I'm having a shitty shift at ED Today.

[NCMSTFAN]

Kansas is full

Yes Kansas is full but I read somewhere that they were waiting to see if one of their guys was returning or not. He is a Missouri kid and my hunch says he's waiting that out to see If he can play there. It feels like we may be his back up choice... just my opinion, I could be wrong

[OLJWales]

I'm startin' to think maybe there's a chance so that means another gut punch based on my inability to predict.

[klong-dog]

Jalen Wilson and Kevin McCullar from Kansas are opting out of NBA draft to stay in school. You'd think that be a good thing regarding Mosley.

[OLJWales]

Out libidos have been greased by sweet nothings whispered in our ears as we anguish in gut wrenching anticipation hoping the encounter will hetero.