Food for thought

[FriarsPoint]

When the Mike Leach experiment fails, these are my two choices in order.

1)Blake Anderson
2)Jamey Chadwell

Discuss

[Dawgfan77]

Let's pump the breaks on the Leach era failing. This year should be a good year for us and not only that he has been successful at every stop. If we do part ways it won't be before 2025 unless we totally tank in 22 and 23.
I will say this Anderson should have been a front runner in 20 before we hired Leach and possibly should have been after Mullen.

[R2Dawg]

Let's pump the breaks on the Leach era failing. This year should be a good year for us and not only that he has been successful at every stop. If we do part ways it won't be before 2025 unless we totally tank in 22 and 23.
I will say this Anderson should have been a front runner in 20 before we hired Leach and possibly should have been after Mullen.

Yeah pump the brakes. Lets hope for one good year out of Leach - this year. We need it more than ever.

But over the long haul, Leach's crap ain't gonna work. It has holes everywhere.

[Quaoarsking]

Leach will be here 20 years, finish ranked several times, and go to the CF HoF. And I'm sure the usual suspects will be bitching about him the whole time.

[confucius say]

Yeah pump the brakes. Lets hope for one good year out of Leach - this year. We need it more than ever.

But over the long haul, Leach's crap ain't gonna work. It has holes everywhere.

Define "work," bc we've never had anybody be better than a 7-5 regular season coach over the long haul.

[Jarius]

Yeah pump the brakes. Lets hope for one good year out of Leach - this year. We need it more than ever.

But over the long haul, Leach's crap ain't gonna work. It has holes everywhere.

It's literally worked everywhere he's been and the offense saw just as much improvement last year in year 2 as it saw in every other stop in his career year 2. It will show improvement this year too, just like it has everywhere else. Our defense and special teams cost us a chance at winning 9 games last year, not the offense.

[NWADAWG]

It's literally worked everywhere he's been and the offense saw just as much improvement last year in year 2 as it saw in every other stop in his career year 2. It will show improvement this year too, just like it has everywhere else. Our defense and special teams cost us a chance at winning 9 games last year, not the offense.

It seem from the reports (no inside info) that Sawyer is starting to push Will. That will make both better and set us up for a few more years.

[Jarius]

It seem from the reports (no inside info) that Sawyer is starting to push Will. That will make both better and set us up for a few more years.

Yea he's the clear #2 and has better arm strength and mobility. Will is still way ahead mentally though. I think next year will be a real competition, but from what I've heard Will has taken a step his own self.

[BiscuitEater]

Schedule is tough ... really tough!

[StarkVegasSteve]

If you fire Leach, and btw we are nowhere remotely close to that, I'd wager a decent amt of money on the top name being Matt Mumme or Sonny Cumbie. For our roster to not have to go into a full rebuild you will need a guy from the Air Raid coaching tree.

[Dawgfan77]

If you fire Leach, and btw we are nowhere remotely close to that, I'd wager a decent amt of money on the top name being Matt Mumme or Sonny Cumbie. For our roster to not have to go into a full rebuild you will need a guy from the Air Raid coaching tree.

Cumbie is gonna be a star

[thf24]

But over the long haul, Leach's crap ain't gonna work. It has holes everywhere.

You may very well turn out to be right in the end, but to this point there isn't a shred of evidence to indicate it's the most likely outcome. You all claiming it is have been fooling yourselves going on three years now.

[viverlibre]

I think discussing prospective coaches is never a bad thing. This doesn't mean anyone wants the current coach to fail, but very few coaches go off into happy retirement, most are fired to end their career. All ADs keep of current list or prospective head coaches for ever sport, even the ADs and Bama and Clempson for the day Saban and Dabo are no longer on the sidelines. Certainly in Saban's situation it will be of his own accord, but very few coaches are afforded that.

[viverlibre]

You may very well turn out to be right in the end, but to this point there isn't a shred of evidence to indicate it's the most likely outcome. You all claiming it is have been fooling yourselves going on three years now.

What worries me most about Leech is he doesn't seem willing to "adapt." This is an issue with many coaches, they are hard headed, look at Crooms and Joe Lee Dunn, they wouldn't change. Saban proved he was willing to change as did the Bear decades ago.

[Jarius]

What worries me most about Leech is he doesn't seem willing to "adapt." This is an issue with many coaches, they are hard headed, look at Crooms and Joe Lee Dunn, they wouldn't change. Saban proved he was willing to change as did the Bear decades ago.

Leach won 11 games 3 years ago. He improved dramatically in every offensive statistical category from year 1 to year 2. I do believe he could benefit by adding some more to his offense, but it's going to be good enough to win as many games here as any other coach we've had. Our defense and special teams need to improve as much this year as our offense did last year.

[viverlibre]

Leach won 11 games 3 years ago. He improved dramatically in every offensive statistical category from year 1 to year 2. I do believe he could benefit by adding some more to his offense, but it's going to be good enough to win as many games here as any other coach we've had. Our defense and special teams need to improve as much this year as our offense did last year.

Concur, if he wins 8 games next year, he'll be coach of the year.

Everything works until it doesn't. The wishbone worked for a long time until it didn't.

Leach hasn't been successful game in and game out against high caliber SEC Defenses that are loaded with speed at every position. Hopefully we take another good step this season. My expectation is 7 wins, we have a tough schedule. We have to beat Kentucky, Ark and OM at least half the time year in and year out. This season we need to beat two of those three plus knock off the barn or upset another team.

Leach's results the last five years, the last three have not been good. He had a NFL (spot) starter as QB in 2018.
2017 Washington State 9–4 6–3 3rd (North) L Holiday
2018 Washington State 11–2 7–2 T–1st (North) W Alamo
2019 Washington State 6–7 3–6 T–5th (North) L Cheez-It
2020 Mississippi State 4–7 3–7 T–6th (West) W Armed Forces
2021 Mississippi State 7–6 4–4 T–3rd (West) L Liberty

[Jarius]

Concur, if he wins 8 games next year, he'll be coach of the year.

Everything works until it doesn't. The wishbone worked for a long time until it didn't.

Leach hasn't been successful game in and game out against high caliber SEC Defenses that are loaded with speed at every position. Hopefully we take another good step this season. My expectation is 7 wins, we have a tough schedule. We have to beat Kentucky, Ark and OM at least half the time year in and year out. This season we need to beat two of those three plus knock off the barn or upset another team.

Leach's results the last five years, the last three have not been good. He had a NFL (spot) starter as QB in 2018.
2017 Washington State 9–4 6–3 3rd (North) L Holiday
2018 Washington State 11–2 7–2 T–1st (North) W Alamo
2019 Washington State 6–7 3–6 T–5th (North) L Cheez-It
2020 Mississippi State 4–7 3–7 T–6th (West) W Armed Forces
2021 Mississippi State 7–6 4–4 T–3rd (West) L Liberty


Leach’s first 2 seasons at Washington state looked exactly like his first 2 years here. Using his last 5 years that include 2 seasons at a school He’s having to totally rebuild offensively from a run first mentality just isn’t painting a picture that “it won’t work”. It’s pretty clear that the offense is going to work. The jump from year 1 to 2 looks just like it did elsewhere. Also, the wishbone would work if the teams who recruit 5 stars ran it. The flexbone worked at a very high level when Paul Johnson ran it. Any offense works with the right talent and coaching. Kids don’t want to play in that type offense so no one is going to run it. Too difficult to recruit to.

[viverlibre]

Leach’s first 2 seasons at Washington state looked exactly like his first 2 years here. Using his last 5 years that include 2 seasons at a school He’s having to totally rebuild offensively from a run first mentality just isn’t painting a picture that “it won’t work”. It’s pretty clear that the offense is going to work. The jump from year 1 to 2 looks just like it did elsewhere. Also, the wishbone would work if the teams who recruit 5 stars ran it. The flexbone worked at a very high level when Paul Johnson ran it. Any offense works with the right talent and coaching. Kids don’t want to play in that type offense so no one is going to run it. Too difficult to recruit to.

We won't have 5 stars to run Leach's offense, we are doing it on 3 stars. Improving the offense from year two to three is a lot easier in the Big 12 and PAC 12, gonna be much harder in the SEC.

I'd disagree with your point, "It’s pretty clear that the offense is going to work." From a stats standpoint it it may work, from a wins standpoint it is yet to be seen. Just because it worked in the past, doesn't mean it will work in the future. I hope it does though.

[Jarius]

We won't have 5 stars to run Leach's offense, we are doing it on 3 stars. Improving the offense from year two to three is a lot easier in the Big 12 and PAC 12, gonna be much harder in the SEC.

I'd disagree with your point, "It’s pretty clear that the offense is going to work." From a stats standpoint it it may work, from a wins standpoint it is yet to be seen. Just because it worked in the past, doesn't mean it will work in the future. I hope it does though.

Yes, Leach’s offense is designed to work with 3 stars. That’s what he’s done throughout his career. The wishbone was a general comment, not MSU specific.

As far as offensive improvement, it’s not going to be harder to improve year 2 to year 3 here just like it wasn’t harder to improve offensively year 1 to year 2 here. Yea the competition is harder here but He has way more talent to work with here than he did elsewhere as well. I mean look at the 2020 numbers offensively compared to 2021. They got way better. We return 17 starters. This team will improve.

[Quaoarsking]

We won't have 5 stars to run Leach's offense, we are doing it on 3 stars. Improving the offense from year two to three is a lot easier in the Big 12 and PAC 12, gonna be much harder in the SEC.

I'd disagree with your point, "It’s pretty clear that the offense is going to work." From a stats standpoint it it may work, from a wins standpoint it is yet to be seen. Just because it worked in the past, doesn't mean it will work in the future. I hope it does though.

A year ago, people were saying "Improving the offense from year one to two is a lot easier in the Big 12 and PAC 12, gonna be much harder in the SEC."

Two years ago, people were saying that Leach's offense would never succeed whatsoever in the SEC.

A year from now, people will say that sure Leach was able to finish ranked once at MSU, but he'll never be able to sustain that for many years in a row.

[CaptainObvious]

Oh goodie. Two more choice coaches to lead us to 7-5 records with an 8-4 the years we scratch our a victory over Ole Miss.

We ARE who they say we ARE!

We WILL be who they say we WILL Be!


If ya can?t get on board with mediocre, Cohen can go out and hire a 6-6 or 5-7 guy.

Womens Basketball and Baseball are our two best hopes because more than 2/3 of the country doesn?t give a crap about either one. We came close twice in W basketball and kicked the door down after 3 straight trips to Omaha.

State is cannon fodder for the Elite programs and even the Johnny Rebs are starting to rebuild their 20 plus win lead on us in football.

Should have built the school in Hattiesburg or metro Jackson 115 years ago. Instead of in a farming pasture in the second poorest part of the State. Not fighting to get the Toyota Plant and the Tire Plant in the Golden Triangle was a Colossal failure as well. We need a 10,000 job industry to build in Oktibbeha County to get some new blood in and create high paying jobs. Maybe someone can build incorruptible voting machines in the area to sell to all 50 states!

[R2Dawg]

A year ago, people were saying "Improving the offense from year one to two is a lot easier in the Big 12 and PAC 12, gonna be much harder in the SEC."

Two years ago, people were saying that Leach's offense would never succeed whatsoever in the SEC.

A year from now, people will say that sure Leach was able to finish ranked once at MSU, but he'll never be able to sustain that for many years in a row.

We ain't done nothing yet so nothing to brag about yet. Let him do something great and I'll gladly eat crow over his O pushing MSU to the top. I ain't seen nothing yet that tells me it will work at that level. We already showed we could win ave 7-8 games a year with how we had been doing it. The new O was supposed to let us beat the blue bloods. Ain't produced nothing, actually gone backwards.

Year 3, put up or shut up. And yeah he'll get a year 4 or 5 like Croom so it is either bury our program or raise it up, no in between.

[Quaoarsking]

We ain't done nothing yet so nothing to brag about yet. Let him do something great and I'll gladly eat crow over his O pushing MSU to the top. I ain't seen nothing yet that tells me it will work at that level. We already showed we could win ave 7-8 games a year with how we had been doing it. The new O was supposed to let us beat the blue bloods. Ain't produced nothing, actually gone backwards.

Year 3, put up or shut up. And yeah he'll get a year 4 or 5 like Croom so it is either bury our program or raise it up, no in between.

Well, he finished 2 teams that finished ranked this past year, something Mullen did 3 times in 9 years. That's not "nothing."

[Jarius]

We ain't done nothing yet so nothing to brag about yet. Let him do something great and I'll gladly eat crow over his O pushing MSU to the top. I ain't seen nothing yet that tells me it will work at that level. We already showed we could win ave 7-8 games a year with how we had been doing it. The new O was supposed to let us beat the blue bloods. Ain't produced nothing, actually gone backwards.

Year 3, put up or shut up. And yeah he'll get a year 4 or 5 like Croom so it is either bury our program or raise it up, no in between.

If you?re waiting on someone to come in here and consistently beat all of the blue bloods then you?re going to die an unhappy man. That?s not happening no matter who we hire. We beat 3 teams that finished ranked in the college football playoff top 25 last year. We didn?t finish the season like anyone wanted and we left a couple of games on the table (mainly due to the defense and special teams), but if you can?t see the offense is going to work you are really trying hard not to see it.

[R2Dawg]

If you?re waiting on someone to come in here and consistently beat all of the blue bloods then you?re going to die an unhappy man. That?s not happening no matter who we hire. We beat 3 teams that finished ranked in the college football playoff top 25 last year. We didn?t finish the season like anyone wanted and we left a couple of games on the table (mainly due to the defense and special teams), but if you can?t see the offense is going to work you are really trying hard not to see it.

I'm not saying that. That is what everyone who was defending the air raid were saying we had to do to move the MSU bar which is why we had to go air raid. The air raid would offset the talent difference. I'm saying the opposite. We proved we can compete and win the way MSU has proven we can. Has the air raid delivered on what everyone else said it would do? An emphatic NO!

[Quaoarsking]

I'm not saying that. That is what everyone who was defending the air raid were saying we had to do to move the MSU bar which is why we had to go air raid. The air raid would offset the talent difference. I'm saying the opposite. We proved we can compete and win the way MSU has proven we can. Has the air raid delivered on what everyone else said it would do? An emphatic NO!

Leach has beaten 3 teams that were clearly more talented than us (LSU, Texas A&M, Auburn), 2 more who finished ranked (Kentucky and NC State).

He also had 2 more who 100% expected to beat us and were lined up to finish ranked had they done so (Missouri, Tulsa).

[Jarius]

I'm not saying that. That is what everyone who was defending the air raid were saying we had to do to move the MSU bar which is why we had to go air raid. The air raid would offset the talent difference. I'm saying the opposite. We proved we can compete and win the way MSU has proven we can. Has the air raid delivered on what everyone else said it would do? An emphatic NO!

What everyone said is that it gives us a chance to beat teams that out talent us and it does. Look at who we beat last year. It's going to make us lose to some people we shouldn't if we don't show up focused every week because it's finesse and not smash mouth and if you don't come in ready to play anyone can beat you. The air raid has delivered here at the same rate it has everywhere else Leach has been to this point. If people like you would actually wait just a second and observe the actual facts of what has transpired since Leach has been here you would see that he completely turned over the roster and the team clearly improved offensively from year 1 to year 2. It is literally the same path that he takes everywhere. Turning a team that has been running the ball down people's throat for 100 years into a pass first offense takes just a little bit longer than a COVID year with no spring training and a year 2 to get a full picture of what we can accomplish. What we proved with our other offenses is that no matter how special of a team we have, we have no chance at all to have a truly special season. Dak Prescott is the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys and his best team here lost 3 games. I don't want to hear how awesome the "other way" was. There is 100 years of offensive ineptitude that goes directly against that bullshit narrative.

[OLJWales]

What everyone said is that it gives us a chance to beat teams that out talent us and it does. Look at who we beat last year. It's going to make us lose to some people we shouldn't if we don't show up focused every week because it's finesse and not smash mouth and if you don't come in ready to play anyone can beat you. The air raid has delivered here at the same rate it has everywhere else Leach has been to this point. If people like you would actually wait just a second and observe the actual facts of what has transpired since Leach has been here you would see that he completely turned over the roster and the team clearly improved offensively from year 1 to year 2. It is literally the same path that he takes everywhere. Turning a team that has been running the ball down people's throat for 100 years into a pass first offense takes just a little bit longer than a COVID year with no spring training and a year 2 to get a full picture of what we can accomplish. What we proved with our other offenses is that no matter how special of a team we have, we have no chance at all to have a truly special season. Dak Prescott is the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys and his best team here lost 3 games. I don't want to hear how awesome the "other way" was. There is 100 years of offensive ineptitude that goes directly against that bullshit narrative.

One of the best posts I've seen in a while; Quality Effort, Factual and an enjoyable read denied a well deserved rep due to socialism.

I would assume our past history wouldn't warrant panic with a 3-7 followed by a 4-4. The only thing I can't tolerate is not having enough Egg Bowl Shits to Give and as an AD I'd let him know to fix this shit immediately or pack your shit because losing EB's every year is just that. SHIT.