Here is why we aren?t landing any bball transfers yet

[Coach34]

https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1519865836881723392?s=21

?Miami Hurricanes guard Isaiah Wong will enter the transfer portal on Friday if his name, image and likeness (NIL) compensation isn't increased, his NIL agent, Adam Papas of NEXT Sports Agency, told ESPN on Thursday.?

[Cooterpoot]

Screw these guys! What a 17ing mess that's been created. 17 college athletics if it's getting to this. I won't waste my time on it.

[BrunswickDawg]

https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1519865836881723392?s=21

?Miami Hurricanes guard Isaiah Wong will enter the transfer portal on Friday if his name, image and likeness (NIL) compensation isn't increased, his NIL agent, Adam Papas of NEXT Sports Agency, told ESPN on Thursday.?

The cesspool that is college basketball is just getting deeper.

The point of NIL was to be able to make money off of your own rep and ability. Kids should be able to get $20 for an autograph, or branded t-shirts or endorse products. But none of that should be a guarantee and none of it should be tied to a school or the ability of the school to organize a bunch of boosters just to give cash to kids.

[Commercecomet24]

Screw these guys! What a 17ing mess that's been created. 17 college athletics if it's getting to this. I won't waste my time on it.

Yeah it's getting real hard to be interested in it anymore. What a mess they've created. There's no control in place for any of this. Kid just goes to the highest bidder and if he's not happy after that he just bids his services out again. Insanity.

[YazooDawg23]

Free market for me not for thee I guess.

[Cooterpoot]

The NIL should be the place where a salary cap is put in place to level things out some. These guys don't need huge money. They deserve some, but not crazy ass money. The refusal and inability of the NCAA to handle this will destroy it completely.

[Cowbell]

Free market for me not for thee I guess.

The thing about a free market is that it will correct itself. And it will and when it does it will be a rude awakening for some of these kids

[Cooterpoot]

The thing about a free market is that it will correct itself. And it will and when it does it will be a rude awakening for some of these kids

Exactly! College athletics got too big. We're seeing it correct itself with fewer asses in the seats and less give a damn. I've been involved in the recruiting side and I hate this. The kids deserve to be paid, but it can't be out of control.

[Commercecomet24]

Exactly! College athletics got too big. We're seeing it correct itself with fewer asses in the seats and less give a damn. I've been involved in the recruiting side and I hate this. The kids deserve to be paid, but it can't be out of control.

This. I'm all for the free market, but there has to be some sort of oversight, guidelines, something to keep it under control. It's just the wild west right now. There's a bubble being created and as past history shows, financial bubbles at some point burst.

[Homedawg]

The thing about a free market is that it will correct itself. And it will and when it does it will be a rude awakening for some of these kids

I repeat what I've stated before, most people have no clue how much money these guys get PRE NIL. Free room and board. Pell grant. Stipend. Academic money. Now this. Most will never ever live this well in their lives.

[Commercecomet24]

I repeat what I've stated before, most people have no clue how much money these guys get PRE NIL. Free room and board. Pell grant. Stipend. Academic money. Now this. Most will never ever live this well in their lives.

Amen!

[Hot Rock]

The NIL should be the place where a salary cap is put in place to level things out some. These guys don't need huge money. They deserve some, but not crazy ass money. The refusal and inability of the NCAA to handle this will destroy it completely.

Is it just ball players you don't want making more than you or is it everyone? Let's limit Elon Musk's earning power, doesn't he have enough already?

They will get what the market will pay them. Either you believe in a free market or you don't. I prefer free market unless it actually hurts someone, causes a monopoly or in for public works. These socialist programs that fund fireman, police officers, public schools, public roads, bridges or healthcare like Medicare and Medicaid are all all fine but socialism for entertainment like sports? Not so much.

Now, what we do need is some sort of control over the movement between teams. I feel as if the monies will work itself out the same way it's always been. The big money teams will continue to buy players, just legally now.

I do expect some sort of contract language that limits all this crap of guys moving because they had a good year or possibly the NCAA finding some way to set some guidelines. It's like the NCAA just said **** it, I don't care let them do whatever they want, once they lost the supreme court case.

[HoopsDawg]

I repeat what I've stated before, most people have no clue how much money these guys get PRE NIL. Free room and board. Pell grant. Stipend. Academic money. Now this. Most will never ever live this well in their lives.

Guys in the media like Jay Bilas wouldn't shut up about it. The Presidents and the NCAA buried their heads in the sand and hoped to win in the courts. Now Pandora's box is open and we have chaos.

[HoopsDawg]

Is it just ball players you don't want making more than you or is it everyone? Let's limit Elon Musk's earning power, doesn't he have enough already?

They will get what the market will pay them. Either you believe in a free market or you don't. I prefer free market unless it actually hurts someone, causes a monopoly or in for public works. These socialist programs that fund fireman, police officers, public schools, public roads, bridges or healthcare like Medicare and Medicaid are all all fine but socialism for entertainment like sports? Not so much.

Now, what we do need is some sort of control over the movement between teams. I feel as if the monies will work itself out the same way it's always been. The big money teams will continue to buy players, just legally now.

I do expect some sort of contract language that limits all this crap of guys moving because they had a good year or possibly the NCAA finding some way to set some guidelines. It's like the NCAA just said **** it, I don't care let them do whatever they want, once they lost the supreme court case.

Pro sports leagues aren't free markets. There are salary caps, luxury taxes, drafts and most importantly contracts. There has to be some sort of competitive balance.

[Cooterpoot]

Is it just ball players you don't want making more than you or is it everyone? Let's limit Elon Musk's earning power, doesn't he have enough already?

They will get what the market will pay them. Either you believe in a free market or you don't. I prefer free market unless it actually hurts someone, causes a monopoly or in for public works. These socialist programs that fund fireman, police officers, public schools, public roads, bridges or healthcare like Medicare and Medicaid are all all fine but socialism for entertainment like sports? Not so much.

Now, what we do need is some sort of control over the movement between teams. I feel as if the monies will work itself out the same way it's always been. The big money teams will continue to buy players, just legally now.

I do expect some sort of contract language that limits all this crap of guys moving because they had a good year or possibly the NCAA finding some way to set some guidelines. It's like the NCAA just said **** it, I don't care let them do whatever they want, once they lost the supreme court case.

I don't give a damn. I've got kids playing college ball myself. I don't believe they deserve crazy money either. Pay them like they're got a part time job, plus a nice stipend for beating their bodies up. Then, if the school or whoever is selling shit with their names on it etc, let them make some off that. This paying a kid crazy money to sign etc. is stupid as hell.
Their education and housing etc. alone is approaching $100K. Some places it's well beyond that. Let's not pretend they're not well compensated to begin with.

[TUSK]

MDL: "Is this what you want college football to be?"

Masses: "yes!"

MDL: "Eh KaY."

(actually that was re: the HUNH but is applicable here, as well)

[NCMSTFAN]

Im all for players getting paid off their image and likeness but the NIL needs better rules and some sort of cap.

But I don't buy that this is why we can't get recruits because paying college athletes has been going on forever. I know this because I have family members who played D1 sports and could tell you plenty of stories of pay for play.. some schools used to get caught, but most didn't.

The only difference now is that it is public knowledge and not being done under the table, so now we as fans have insight on it and pass judgment. But money has always been around so it can't be an excuse to not be able to bring in players at MSU.. we aren't that bottom of the barrel as some try to say we are.

[Coach34]

Im all for players getting paid off their image and likeness but the NIL needs better rules and some sort of cap.

But I don't buy that this is why we can't get recruits because paying college athletes has been going on forever. I know this because I have family members who played D1 sports and could tell you plenty of stories of pay for play.. some schools used to get caught, but most didn't.

The only difference now is that it is public knowledge and not being done under the table, so now we as fans have insight on it and pass judgment. But money has always been around so it can't be an excuse to not be able to bring in players at MSU.. we aren't that bottom of the barrel as some try to say we are.

There is more competition in the marketplace now than its ever been.

[HancockCountyDog]

I repeat what I've stated before, most people have no clue how much money these guys get PRE NIL. Free room and board. Pell grant. Stipend. Academic money. Now this. Most will never ever live this well in their lives.

That is true, but once coaches started getting multi-million buyouts and the universities started making millions of dollars selling Tebow jerseys to every Floridian that could afford to buy one, all the student athlete didn't get a cut, at some point they did this to themselves.

If they had been smart, they would have turned the faucet on years ago and started sharing revenue with the college athlete. That would have avoided all of this. Instead they handed out multi-million dollar contracts to every coach they could find, and then fire them within 3 years.

When Matt Luke and JoMo can have generational wealth after coaching for basically two seasons, that is not the fault of the athlete.

[NCMSTFAN]

There is more competition in the marketplace now than its ever been.

I agree with that...but its always been like this to some degree.... always....it can't be an excuse because every team is dealing with it... not just us. But other teams are making moves. We have to do the same.
I'm looking at the top transfer portal rankings and teams like Providence, Arkansas, Georgia, Arizona State, Texas Tech etc lead the rankings.... there's no way you can't tell me we can't bring in 6 good/solid players just because of NIL.

[NCMSTFAN]

That is true, but once coaches started getting multi-million buyouts and the universities started making millions of dollars selling Tebow jerseys to every Floridian that could afford to buy one, all the student athlete didn't get a cut, at some point they did this to themselves.

If they had been smart, they would have turned the faucet on years ago and started sharing revenue with the college athlete. That would have avoided all of this. Instead they handed out multi-million dollar contracts to every coach they could find, and then fire them within 3 years.

When Matt Luke and JoMo can have generational wealth after coaching for basically two seasons, that is not the fault of the athlete.

Great post!

[Coach34]

I agree with that...but its always been like this to some degree.... always....it can't be an excuse because every team is dealing with it... not just us. But other teams are making moves. We have to do the same.
I'm looking at the top transfer portal rankings and teams like Providence, Arkansas, Georgia, Arizona State, Texas Tech etc lead the rankings.... there's no way you can't tell me we can't bring in 6 good/solid players just because of NIL.

I'm saying those schools are outspending us. The cost of putting teams together has gone up and that new price is making it harder on us.

It's little things like LSU making us spend alot of money just to keep a player we already had in Tolu. Things like this havent happened before and it's getting expensive.

[Commercecomet24]

I'm saying those schools are outspending us. The cost of putting teams together has gone up and that new price is making it harder on us.

It's little things like LSU making us spend alot of money just to keep a player we already had in Tolu. Things like this havent happened before and it's getting expensive.

This. The player has the hammer because there's no contracts, no rules, no nothing to control this.

[KOdawg1]

College sports is ovvvvaa

[Commercecomet24]

College sports is ovvvvaa

Welcome to the minor leagues!

[NCMSTFAN]

I'm saying those schools are outspending us. The cost of putting teams together has gone up and that new price is making it harder on us.

It's little things like LSU making us spend alot of money just to keep a player we already had in Tolu. Things like this havent happened before and it's getting expensive.

I think alot of you guys are putting way too much stock in this NIL stough. Not much is going to change and we can't have this 'poor little Mississippi State' attitude towards it. If this is the way its going to be, right or wrong, we have to adjust like all other 300 plus D1 schools will. I keep hearing ppl say the blue blood schools are going to win everything now, well heck they won everything before NIL.. here are your last 10 National Champions in Football and Basketball:

Football: Georgia, Bama, LSU, Clemson, Bama, Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, Florida State, Bama

Basketball: Kansas, Baylor, Virginia, Villanova, North Carolina, Villanova, Duke, UCONN, Louisville, Kentucky

All powerhouse blue blood schools accept for maybe Baylor in basketball..... so what is going to change now that NIL is here? Absolutely nothing, these same schools will still be blue bloods and still dominate college sports. It happened before NIL and will continue to happen. If anything the NIL can hopefully level the playing field some. I don't like that there's no rules to it and obviously that needs to change, but money has always been around college sports, the common fan just knows about it now.

[Coach34]

I think alot of you guys are putting way too much stock in this NIL stough. Not much is going to change and we can't have this 'poor little Mississippi State' attitude towards it. If this is the way its going to be, right or wrong, we have to adjust like all other 300 plus D1 schools will. I keep hearing ppl say the blue blood schools are going to win everything now, well heck they won everything before NIL.. here are your last 10 National Champions in Football and Basketball:

Football: Georgia, Bama, LSU, Clemson, Bama, Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, Florida State, Bama

Basketball: Kansas, Baylor, Virginia, Villanova, North Carolina, Villanova, Duke, UCONN, Louisville, Kentucky

All powerhouse blue blood schools accept for maybe Baylor in basketball..... so what is going to change now that NIL is here? Absolutely nothing, these same schools will still be blue bloods and still dominate college sports. It happened before NIL and will continue to happen. If anything the NIL can hopefully level the playing field some. I don't like that there's no rules to it and obviously that needs to change, but money has always been around college sports, the common fan just knows about it now.

Nobody is saying that spreading money around hasnt been happening before. What's happening now is that it is legal and out in the open which has allowed schools to bring more people and businesses into the fray. The cost is jumping way up and we arent able to keep up.

It's like gas prices. Higher gas prices arent hurting the Elites (blue bloods)- but it's rough on us poor people. SEC money has allowed us to upgrade facilities and things the last 30 years- but cash-wise we struggle. NIL is going to force us down the ladder farther than we have been. Tulane, La Tech, Houston, and other schools can put together funds to get basketball players just as easy as we can now.

NIL is going to choke us out down the road. It's just getting started and already having an impact.

[confucius say]

NIL would have been manageable.
But adding immediate eligibility for transfers makes it a huge issue. That was 100% in the ncaa control (unlike NIL where courts stepped in) and they botched it. Stupid.

Remove immediate eligibility for transfers.

[West Houston Dog]

NIL is a stake in the heart of MSU sports. Football and basketball for sure. Baseball i am not sure of...

[Commercecomet24]

NIL is a stake in the heart of MSU sports. Football and basketball for sure. Baseball i am not sure of...

Doubtful it effects baseball. Just not enough interest in the rest of the country to invest huge sums in it. That and we'll more than likely make sure resources are funnelled to the baseball program to keep it intact.

[BrunswickDawg]

Nobody is saying that spreading money around hasnt been happening before. What's happening now is that it is legal and out in the open which has allowed schools to bring more people and businesses into the fray. The cost is jumping way up and we arent able to keep up.

It's like gas prices. Higher gas prices arent hurting the Elites (blue bloods)- but it's rough on us poor people. SEC money has allowed us to upgrade facilities and things the last 30 years- but cash-wise we struggle. NIL is going to force us down the ladder farther than we have been. Tulane, La Tech, Houston, and other schools can put together funds to get basketball players just as easy as we can now.

NIL is going to choke us out down the road. It's just getting started and already having an impact.

I think it is going to force us to get creative - which we aren't typically good at. But, this could be where us being frugal and not expanding our overall budget exponentially could help.
Looking at our 2021 Athletic Dept. Income & Expenses available here: https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/sec/mississippi-state-university#!quicktabs-tab-institution_data-1, We had just shy of $113m in revenue against only $96m in expenses, and just shy of $9m in debt service. That is leaving about $8m on the table. We generate $7.4m in "Corporate Sponsorship, Advertising & Licensing." We should direct anyone in that "Corporate Sponsorship & Advertising" realm into an NIL fund that then generates their "ads" in stadiums, radio, gameday programs, etc, etc, via a $1 placement fee from the university. That way contractually they university is selling ad space, but it is locked in to 1 vendor to produce NIL deals in exchange for the great advertising placement rates. The University replaces that $7.4m with the $8m that is being banked, and works like hell to figure out how to funnel more to NIL when the new SEC contract add $20m a year to the bottom line.

[NCMSTFAN]

Nobody is saying that spreading money around hasnt been happening before. What's happening now is that it is legal and out in the open which has allowed schools to bring more people and businesses into the fray. The cost is jumping way up and we arent able to keep up.

It's like gas prices. Higher gas prices arent hurting the Elites (blue bloods)- but it's rough on us poor people. SEC money has allowed us to upgrade facilities and things the last 30 years- but cash-wise we struggle. NIL is going to force us down the ladder farther than we have been. Tulane, La Tech, Houston, and other schools can put together funds to get basketball players just as easy as we can now.

NIL is going to choke us out down the road. It's just getting started and already having an impact.

Oh I'm following what you are saying, but as I said I don't think it will have the impact that alot of you do. And I also think some rules will get implemented. Yes it will have some impact, but we are still an SEC school.... we aren't Tulane, Houston, La Tech. Just have to find a way to make it happen, nobody is going to feel sorry for us.

[Coach34]

Oh I'm following what you are saying, but as I said I don't think it will have the impact that alot of you do. And I also think some rules will get implemented. Yes it will have some impact, but we are still an SEC school.... we aren't Tulane, Houston, La Tech. Just have to find a way to make it happen, nobody is going to feel sorry for us.

1. Well go back to my 1st post. The article gives a clear example of NIL affecting a school that just made the Elite 8. Player says he will leave if NIL isnt bigger for him.
2. LSU forcing us to committ 6-figure money to Tolu just so he will stay in maroon.
3. Houston has made the FF and Elite 8 last 2 seasons. They have more money for NIL than we do.
4. Until rules get implemented- we are at a disadvantage. I dont see it happening anytime soon. Emmert is leaving in 2023- so nothing will be done at least until a new President comes in.

[basedog]

Ticket prices have gotten pretty steep, just imagine a few more years what the market will be. Inflation is about to get out of control.

[Commercecomet24]

Ticket prices have gotten pretty steep, just imagine a few more years what the market will be. Inflation is about to get out of control.

Yep,and the bubble will burst at some point, it always does.

[NCMSTFAN]

1. Well go back to my 1st post. The article gives a clear example of NIL affecting a school that just made the Elite 8. Player says he will leave if NIL isnt bigger for him.
2. LSU forcing us to committ 6-figure money to Tolu just so he will stay in maroon.
3. Houston has made the FF and Elite 8 last 2 seasons. They have more money for NIL than we do.
4. Until rules get implemented- we are at a disadvantage. I dont see it happening anytime soon. Emmert is leaving in 2023- so nothing will be done at least until a new President comes in.

I'm not disagreeing with you completely and I'm sure there will be some losses because of this, tampering of players etc... my only point is its been going on, not at this level and this manner but it's been happening. We just have to find a way to adjust to it

[Maroonthirteen]

That is

When Matt Luke and JoMo can have generational wealth after coaching for basically two seasons, that is not the fault of the athlete.

I think they should pay regular students a salary because the professor gets a salary. So does Keenum....***
The tug driver at FedEx should make $500,000 a year because Fred Smith is a millionaire.***

This goes back to my point yesterday. Nobody wants to earn anything. Just give me, give me, give me.

Matt and Joe went to college, passed classes, went to practice, played games and proved themselves. Then left college and got more education. Took entry level jobs. Worked themselves up the ladder and earned every penny they got. People talk about the market. Well those two guys earned what they market paid them.

Also, the value is in the schools, the logos and the SEC brand. That's what TV pays for the rights to televise. These kids coming up haven't contributed any thing to the schools brand or conference brand, yet.

[Saltydog]

I don't think anyone is surprised this is happening but the speed of which this thing is spiraling outta control unreal. What' next? When does the NCAA dissolve?

[R2Dawg]

The cesspool that is college basketball is just getting deeper.

The point of NIL was to be able to make money off of your own rep and ability. Kids should be able to get $20 for an autograph, or branded t-shirts or endorse products. But none of that should be a guarantee and none of it should be tied to a school or the ability of the school to organize a bunch of boosters just to give cash to kids.

Intent doesn't matter when you open pandora's box. There is no governing body; its anything goes now. College sports is about to be over. And if you don't think this won't leak into high school then just wait and see.

We are setting our society up for catastrophic failure.

[Coach34]

https://twitter.com/adambreneman81/status/1520222142914129920?s=21

Just another example here. College sports won’t be worth watching in the very near future

[Bothrops]

When you consider the current administration who has slaughtered America, I don't expect anything to work properly, ever again. That includes woke ass college sports.

[Ezsoil]

Just wait till you see what the price of the prime seats are for the Hump after the remodel

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Bad as NIL is for State, the 1 time transfer rule is the true death pill. State can find an under the radar guy and get him as the big NIL $$$ ignore him... but with a 1 time transfer rule, he's being re-recruited every year. We cannot our smart, our develop, or out luck the competition. They will buy away our stars the second they start to emerge.

I see people saying things like "well surely we can compete if we focus on X sport, or move X money into NIL". I don't think y'all realize the scale of money some programs throw around. A&M just spent $30M on a HS recruiting class. Their athletic budget is like $250M. Schools like TN and FLorida have never had much booster support for baseball, yet they still have the money to build stadiums like ours. We spent years fundraising and focusing money into our #1 sport, they match us as an afterthought when their boosters see ours and go "that'd be nice to have, why not?". Arkansas has boosters that could -without sacrificing their quality of life in any way- donate in a single year more than all ours put together can in several.

[EdwardDrayton]

1. Well go back to my 1st post. The article gives a clear example of NIL affecting a school that just made the Elite 8. Player says he will leave if NIL isnt bigger for him.
2. LSU forcing us to committ 6-figure money to Tolu just so he will stay in maroon.
3. Houston has made the FF and Elite 8 last 2 seasons. They have more money for NIL than we do.
4. Until rules get implemented- we are at a disadvantage. I dont see it happening anytime soon. Emmert is leaving in 2023- so nothing will be done at least until a new President comes in.

WHO is paying Tolu, for what, who arranged the deal and where did the money originate? We need to start talking details of these NIL deals so we can discuss them with some facts as a starting point.

[Offshore Dawg]

I just love how people use WE need to when they bitch and give little to nothing.

[Coach34]

I just love how people use WE need to when they bitch and give little to nothing.

Blue Bloods arent depending on $500 donations from Joe Smith. The big boys do the heavy lifting. No different at State

[RougeDawg]

Yeah it's getting real hard to be interested in it anymore. What a mess they've created. There's no control in place for any of this. Kid just goes to the highest bidder and if he's not happy after that he just bids his services out again. Insanity.

Naw. Remember this was all for equity and equality and to help the little guy players?

As with every other time this bullshit reasoning is used, a small few of the ?little guys? benefit. And the haves of the industry choke out the have nots even more.

Rinse repeat and the ignorant public cannot figure out what went wrong as they stick a fork in the 240 volt socket.

The problem with this entire ideology is not one of them ever asks “and then what?”. The unintended and obvious consequences aren’t very complicated. I could teach my dog this but somehow the public keeps falling for it.

PM me if you are interested in any bridge purchases. Cheap cheap.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Well once they lost the supreme court case, the NCAA didn't have anything they could do. Players have rights, the same as any other student on campus. They should be able to make whatever money they can. Does that mean that the money requires them to stay at the school until they officially go through the draft? Maybe it could. I am 100% for the players having the ability to cash in however they want, but the school also needs protection against being extorted.

Seems to me, the universities missed the boat on this. They had the opportunity to set a earnings package for scholarship and walk-on players that would have avoided all of this. Mullen talked about it all the time, how players never had a dime to go out on a date. I am sure the plantation owners had an issue when they had to start paying the slaves as well. I am sure, the southern states are still feeling the effects to this day of their free labor gravy train ending. Same here with NCAA football. It is going to get uglier before it gets better, just like the economy of the southern US after the civil war.

[BrunswickDawg]

Well once they lost the supreme court case, the NCAA didn't have anything they could do. Players have rights, the same as any other student on campus. They should be able to make whatever money they can. Does that mean that the money requires them to stay at the school until they officially go through the draft? Maybe it could. I am 100% for the players having the ability to cash in however they want, but the school also needs protection against being extorted.

Seems to me, the universities missed the boat on this. They had the opportunity to set a earnings package for scholarship and walk-on players that would have avoided all of this. Mullen talked about it all the time, how players never had a dime to go out on a date. I am sure the plantation owners had an issue when they had to start paying the slaves as well. I am sure, the southern states are still feeling the effects to this day of their free labor gravy train ending. Same here with NCAA football. It is going to get uglier before it gets better, just like the economy of the southern US after the civil war.

That's not true. The NCAA could have set up rules related to NIL - they chose not to. They very easily could have created rules saying players can take no more than $100 for an autograph, and those must be sold at a sanctioned event. Or that players could sign legit endorsement deals with real companies - but that those contracts must produce an actual ad/commercial/etc. and not just be an organized slush fund to pay players. Or that the NCAA would set up a NIL board with players to negotiate deals that were industry wide like NCAA Football with EA Sports. The NCAA failed to act and it is going to ruin the game.

[Hot Rock]

Guys in the media like Jay Bilas wouldn't shut up about it. The Presidents and the NCAA buried their heads in the sand and hoped to win in the courts. Now Pandora's box is open and we have chaos.

But what seems to be lost on you is that those big money places were already giving them big time $$$. What's different is once a guy signed, his leverage was gone.

If we an limit this transfer portal with some decent guidelines, I think the NIL money thing will work itself out.

[MrCoachKlein]

Free market for me not for thee I guess.

Problem is, it's not a free market. You 'have' to go to college or sit out years after high school before going pro. A true free market would be no draft, players sign with whoever, whenever they want. If that was the case semi-pro ball in all leagues would have probably replaced the College market because quality players would probably go there and earn money.

edit: baseball aside which is the closest to a free market.

[Hot Rock]

A free market can still have protections and contracts that are negotiated. The NFL, MLB and NBA are all free markets but if you want to get paid by them, you have to sign a contract. The league as a wholes sets down rules that all the teams must follow, that's what is lacking in college sports.

Surely contracts be done for college sports to limit the portal movements. For now, it 's a free for all, I expect deals to have much better wording in the near future to protect the teams and donors monies better but we still lack leadership and governance by the NCAA where the Pro leagues have it.

To me, NCAA just quit when they lost the supreme court case. They may not can stop the NIL monies but they can help with it's regulation and certainly can with the portal. It appears to me that they have chosen not to do anything and blame it on the courts.

[R2Dawg]

Naw. Remember this was all for equity and equality and to help the little guy players?

As with every other time this bullshit reasoning is used, a small few of the ?little guys? benefit. And the haves of the industry choke out the have nots even more.

Rinse repeat and the ignorant public cannot figure out what went wrong as they stick a fork in the 240 volt socket.

The problem with this entire ideology is not one of them ever asks “and then what?”. The unintended and obvious consequences aren’t very complicated. I could teach my dog this but somehow the public keeps falling for it.

PM me if you are interested in any bridge purchases. Cheap cheap.

Ha, true statement. Just like we need a $15/hr min wage. So many thought that would fix everything. All it does is make your fast food hamburger cost $15 now. You don't gain anything. It does eliminate the middle class which is what the goal of socialism/communism does. Why are people so stupid? Because we let the gov (Biden just said they are our children) not teach them anything useful in school but social agendas. Unfortunately, we will all pay the price of a dumb culture.

[RocketDawg]

Screw these guys! What a 17ing mess that's been created. 17 college athletics if it's getting to this. I won't waste my time on it.

Agree wholeheartedly.

[RocketDawg]

Yeah it's getting real hard to be interested in it anymore. What a mess they've created. There's no control in place for any of this. Kid just goes to the highest bidder and if he's not happy after that he just bids his services out again. Insanity.

And, of course, quality of education, what they major in, etc., is not even considered (presumably).

[Hot Rock]

Welcome to the minor leagues!

Where do you think we been for the last 80 years? This is not new, blue bloods have always had money. Imagine Alabama with unlimited scholarships! Ghat was reality before 1973!

[Mjoelner34]

Surely contracts be done for college sports to limit the portal movements. For now, it 's a free for all, I expect deals to have much better wording in the near future to protect the teams and donors monies better but we still lack leadership and governance by the NCAA where the Pro leagues have it.

Pretty sure this is what Leach was talking about when he presented his ideas. To paraphrase here: 1. Guarantee them some amount ($100K) upon graduation from or end of eligibility at the university they originally signed with. You lose the 100k if you transfer and school #2 owes you nothing. 2. Treat them like pro athletes and have a draft and trades. You're the #1 rated D-tackle recruit in high school eyeing Alabama. Tough shit. ND State has the first pick. Also Leach said something along the lines of being able to trade 2 WR for a tackle.