Cheer Up, 3-3

[basedog]

Puts us tied with a bunch of teams in Sec. Looks like Tn, Ark and Vandy are the top teams so far. We are looking like middle of pack right now. 24 more games and hopefully we get hot.
I know some say ?we could have been swept?, guess what? We didn?t, Bama is not a terrible team, they did make a regional last year. I think a bunch of teams are lacking in pitching depth except those top 3 teams. Injuries happen and it has hurt us badly with pitchers, I just think our hitting will get better and we will win enough to get in the regionals.

Actually I expect us to play well next weekend.

[basedog]

Btw, watching Cade today, it wasn’t his best day. I thought he was overthrowing some, he was hitting 95-96 today but they were up in the zone a little to much. He is type pitcher that throws to contact but has a good strike out pitch. Normally I strike thrower, not so much today except he knows how to pitch and was not giving in. Close pitch right before giving up the Bomb. But only giving up 3 runs and not having his best command was good. He is still young, he will only get better, I’m expecting next weekend he will be much better.

[Commercecomet24]

Puts us tied with a bunch of teams in Sec. Looks like Tn, Ark and Vandy are the top teams so far. We are looking like middle of pack right now. 24 more games and hopefully we get hot.
I know some say ?we could have been swept?, guess what? We didn?t, Bama is not a terrible team, they did make a regional last year. I think a bunch of teams are lacking in pitching depth except those top 3 teams. Injuries happen and it has hurt us badly with pitchers, I just think our hitting will get better and we will win enough to get in the regionals.

Actually I expect us to play well next weekend.

I agree. I see a lot of people saying we could've got swept but as you said we didn't and hypotheticals don't count because we ALMOST took 2 of 3 from uga but didn't. We've been killing the baseball, today we didn't because it's not gonna happen every game. We went 3-1 this week and won an sec series. Starting pitching has been good and will get better, we're scoring a lot, but bullpen has to be better for us.

[Commercecomet24]

Cade was good today and gave us a chance to win, he did his job.

[OLJWales]

Not in a "Happy if you know it clap your hands" mood.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

We've played a middle/lower middle end of the SEC UGA team, and the worst team in the West.... being 3-3 is not an achievement.

And yes Cade was not his best today. But he also threw 110 pitches. You know why? Because Lemo and Fox know we don't have a bullpen. It is NOT like Lemo to burn through an arm like tha and I hate seeing it. But we did it because the pen is TERRIBLE and can't be trusted for the 1extra inning "too much" that Smith pitched.

And while Cade may have better days, we also can't pretend Firiday and Saturday wins were sustainable. 9th inning rallies with homers are NOT a strategy to win. We were extremely close to getting swept at home by Bama, that's just a fact. The pen is a mess. Hunt will help, but we also have better teams coming up. Offense can't hit for average. They can slug it, but that's not consistent and can bite us in the postseason depending on the park, pitcher, and weather any given day.

We are just not that good of a team. If guys get hot at the right time anything can happen, but this team is not built for sustained consistent winning

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Cade was good today and gave us a chance to win, he did his job.

Thew a ton of pitches too. Kid battled. I hate to see us use him so heavily though... I get we're trying to win, but if the only way to win is have Cade throw 110 to hide the Pen, then he'll be burned up time we get to the postseason

[Commercecomet24]

Thew a ton of pitches too. Kid battled. I hate to see us use him so heavily though... I get we're trying to win, but if the only way to win is have Cade throw 110 to hide the Pen, then he'll be burned up time we get to the postseason

I agree. Can't let him do that very often. We need him.

[Coach34]

Thew a ton of pitches too. Kid battled. I hate to see us use him so heavily though... I get we're trying to win, but if the only way to win is have Cade throw 110 to hide the Pen, then he'll be burned up time we get to the postseason

What? 110 pitches in warm weather is a good number. Nothing wrong at all with it. It's not like we Bianco'd him with 110 pitches in 48 degree weather in early March

[OLJWales]

We've played a middle/lower middle end of the SEC UGA team, and the worst team in the West.... being 3-3 is not an achievement.

And yes Cade was not his best today. But he also threw 110 pitches. You know why? Because Lemo and Fox know we don't have a bullpen. It is NOT like Lemo to burn through an arm like tha and I hate seeing it. But we did it because the pen is TERRIBLE and can't be trusted for the 1extra inning "too much" that Smith pitched.

And while Cade may have better days, we also can't pretend Firiday and Saturday wins were sustainable. 9th inning rallies with homers are NOT a strategy to win. We were extremely close to getting swept at home by Bama, that's just a fact. The pen is a mess. Hunt will help, but we also have better teams coming up. Offense can't hit for average. They can slug it, but that's not consistent and can bite us in the postseason depending on the park, pitcher, and weather any given day.

We are just not that good of a team. If guys get hot at the right time anything can happen, but this team is not built for sustained consistent winning

I wish you were wrong. Well said. And I hate seeing 110 pitch counts . Sheesh.

[basedog]

What? 110 pitches in warm weather is a good number. Nothing wrong at all with it. It's not like we Bianco'd him with 110 pitches in 48 degree weather in early March

I agree, he has good mechanics and his last inning was throwing 92-94. He just needs to keep getting ahead, two of those walks he had scored. That’s not like him.

[OLJWales]

What? 110 pitches in warm weather is a good number. Nothing wrong at all with it. It's not like we Bianco'd him with 110 pitches in 48 degree weather in early March

Do you think we'd uh gone 110 with more bullpen confidence? Hell I reckon our weak run support necessitated keeping him in longer too. Dunno.

[Coach34]

Do you think we'd uh gone 110 with more bullpen confidence?

yeah

[basedog]

Do you think we'd uh gone 110 with more bullpen confidence?

Who knows but acting like 110 pitches is a killer is wrong for him. Now some guys yes, but stop the madness it’s ok if not I’d be raising hell!!!

[Commercecomet24]

There's nothing wrong with a guy going 100+ pitches in warm weather on occasion it just doesn't need to become an every weekend deal. Back in my day it was pretty common for pitchers to go 100+ but hardly anyone was throwing with the velo these kids are now.

[OLJWales]

Who knows but acting like 110 pitches is a killer is wrong for him. Now some guys yes, but stop the madness it’s ok if not I’d be raising hell!!!

I stand overruled and accept. I guess I'm still shy and gut punched about Sims even though he went down with a lot less than 100.

[basedog]

There's nothing wrong with a guy going 100+ pitches in warm weather on occasion it just doesn't need to become an every weekend deal. Back in my day it was pretty common for pitchers to go 100+ but hardly anyone was throwing with the velo these kids are now.

Exactly.

[Commercecomet24]

I stand overruled and accept. I guess I'm still shy and gut punched about Sims even though he went down with a lot less than 100.

Those injuries(ucl) are generally cumulative injuries that happen with wear and tear over time.

[Commercecomet24]

Exactly.

Heck man I can still throw a couple hundred pitches in bp every other day and I'm old lol!

[basedog]

I stand overruled and accept. I guess I'm still shy and gut punched about Sims even though he went down with a lot less than 100.

So you know, Cade didn’t start pitching until he was 9th grader. He has never over pitched throughout his career. He was hurt last year and sat half the season. Like Cc 24 stated, just don’t do this every weekend.

Too early for fans to give up and so negative, mad is ok but who knows where everyone stacks up right now.
Btw, the Bama pitcher today was really good!

[basedog]

Heck man I can still throw a couple hundred pitches in bp every other day and I'm old lol!

LOL.

[Commercecomet24]

So you know, Cade didn?t start pitching until he was 9th grader. He has never over pitched throughout his career. He was hurt last year and sat half the season. Like Cc 24 stated, just don?t do this every weekend.

Too early for fans to give up and so negative, mad is ok but who knows where everyone stacks up right now.
Btw, the Bama pitcher today was really good!

Always love your takes man! Yeah lot of season left. And I agree on bama pitcher, actually all 3 of their starters were really good and knew how to pitch. They located well and used their off speed stuff extremely well.

[Commercecomet24]

LOL.

I actually haven't thrown much bp in the last couple years but man my boys used to wear me out. Everyday throwing bp and it was always "come on dad one more bucket". I miss it. Now I'm just more of a spectator but still throw on occasion.

[basedog]

Always love your takes man! Yeah lot of season left. And I agree on bama pitcher, actually all 3 of their starters were really good and knew how to pitch. They located well and used their off speed stuff extremely well.

I don’t think most ED posters realize Bama starters were pretty good. They are not a bad team.

[basedog]

I actually haven't thrown much bp in the last couple years but man my boys used to wear me out. Everyday throwing bp and it was always "come on dad one more bucket". I miss it. Now I'm just more of a spectator but still throw on occasion.

Maybe we could use you in the pen for an inning or so. LOL. I bet your pitches now day or Slow, slower and slowest**.

[Commercecomet24]

I don’t think most ED posters realize Bama starters were pretty good. They are not a bad team.

You got it. Fact is every sec team has talent and anyone can beat you. It's just such a deep and talented league.

[Commercecomet24]

Maybe we could use you in the pen for an inning or so. LOL. I bet your pitches now day or Slow, slower and slowest**.

Man I'd go out there everyday, results would suck, lol!

[OLJWales]

I don’t think most ED posters realize Bama starters were pretty good. They are not a bad team.

A high percentage of innings they were damned bettern our hitters .

[R2Dawg]

I don?t think most ED posters realize Bama starters were pretty good. They are not a bad team.

I don't think ED posters are that stupid. They are a post season team. If you read comments close enough and see the SEC for what it is, Bama is in the bottom third where we are right now as far as baseball this year. This was our chance to maybe sweep being at home and we let it get away. We have just dug a hole and going to be a long year to try and dig out.

[CaptainObvious]

Last time I saw a pitcher throw that many 79 mph curve balls for strikes was Jon Harden. Of course his fast balls topped out at 88.

[basedog]

SEC - EastFull Standings
CONF CONF % OVERALL HOME ROAD
Tennessee 6-0 1.000 23-1 18-0 3-0
Vanderbilt 4-2 .667 19-4 14-2 5-2
Georgia 3-3 .500 18-6 13-2 3-2
Florida 3-3 .500 17-7 11-5 6-2
Kentucky 2-4 .333 17-8 14-4 3-4
South Carolina 2-4 .333 12-11 11-5 0-5
Missouri 1-5 .167 13-7 5-3 8-4
SEC - West
CONF CONF % OVERALL HOME ROAD
Arkansas 5-1 .833 18-4 14-2 2-1
Auburn 3-3 .500 17-7 11-5 2-1
LSU 3-3 .500 17-7 14-3 2-2
Texas A&M 3-3 .500 14-9 10-6 3-1
Mississippi State 3-3 .500 15-10 12-4 2-4
Ole Miss 2-4 .333 16-7 12-4 4-3
Alabama 2-4 .333 14-11 13-4 1-7

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

SEC - EastFull Standings
CONF CONF % OVERALL HOME ROAD
Tennessee 6-0 1.000 23-1 18-0 3-0
Vanderbilt 4-2 .667 19-4 14-2 5-2
Georgia 3-3 .500 18-6 13-2 3-2
Florida 3-3 .500 17-7 11-5 6-2
Kentucky 2-4 .333 17-8 14-4 3-4
South Carolina 2-4 .333 12-11 11-5 0-5
Missouri 1-5 .167 13-7 5-3 8-4
SEC - West
CONF CONF % OVERALL HOME ROAD
Arkansas 5-1 .833 18-4 14-2 2-1
Auburn 3-3 .500 17-7 11-5 2-1
LSU 3-3 .500 17-7 14-3 2-2
Texas A&M 3-3 .500 14-9 10-6 3-1
Mississippi State 3-3 .500 15-10 12-4 2-4
Ole Miss 2-4 .333 16-7 12-4 4-3
Alabama 2-4 .333 14-11 13-4 1-7

It's too early for 3-3 to mean anything. Our schedule gets tougher from here- 3-3 vs Bama and UGA = 12-18 overall by the end of the year... maybe even 11-19

[Todd4State]

Lemonis needs to go back to the softball lineup. It was working. No idea why he went away from it. He needs to stop playing match up and put our best team out there. Start Leggett. Why was he benched? It's not like he just didn't get a walk-off hit on Saturday. Corder/Davis both can play OK but I prefer Davis.

Bullpen/pitching staff management is a bigger concern. He needs to stop throwing Tullar so much. He has 11 appearances which is tied for the team lead and has an ERA over 9. He has pitched 10 innings and has allowed 15 hits and walked 9 batters and hit four guys on top of that. Teams are hitting .326 off of him. That's worse than most of the other pitchers that have struggled. It's ridiculous!

The set up needs to be:

Preston until KC comes back and then they are paired together since Preston can go 6.
Stinnett with Auger for 2 and Fristoe for one. And Fristoe needs to come in with a clean inning. Not some jam that Tullar started.
Smith with Pico for 2 and then finish with Tepper and Talley. And start those two with a clean inning.

Brandon Smith can give us an inning or two here and there.

And leave Tullar at home. Hallelujah. Holy shit.

[The Federalist Engineer]

In defense of Tullar, it's not like MSU is leaving Sims, Lindgren, Girodo, or Holder in the pen, when Tullar makes an appearance.

The pitching situation and depth is dire.

[confucius say]

Is Davis hurt? Otherwise I have no idea why we benched a .320 hitter who is a + defender for a .140 hitter who is average defender. I could see playing righty-lefty matchups if their numbers were similar, but not a .200 gap.

Tullar has a era of 9.28 and a whip of 2.35.
Yet he leads us in appearances for some ridiculous reason. I'd rather see lane against a righty at this point than tullar.

We knew we had zero left handed pitching and decided we could roll with tullar, walling who has never thrown strikes in his career, and a freshman in pico. Massive whiff.