Question for our athletic administration....

[Coach34]

We played at Waverly this trip and got to talking to people...

Why doesn?t every coach on staff at State have a Waverly membership in their contract? Whatever we have with Mossy Oak out there is irrelevant. Waverly has the rep and could help us in all kinds of ways. Even Saban is trying to buy out there. Golf recruits commit to us over being able to play Waverly.

That?s something very elementary we aren?t taking advantage of.

[Hambone]

Pretty sure Spurrier senior still has his from back in the day.

[OLJWales]

Played Dancing Rabbit, never saw Old Waverly I don't think. Any comparisons?

[Roy Munson]

Shit give them memberships at waverly and the rabbit.

[Vandownbytheriver]

Played Dancing Rabbit, never saw Old Waverly I don't think. Any comparisons?

I've played both. I like the scenery of Dancing Rabbit better, but the course condition at OW are always top notch. I'd give DR a slight edge for not being lined with houses. Just a personal preference.

[Mickey]

Chris Lemonis and other coaches are out there frequently. I don’t know the arrangement, but in off seasons, all the coaches that play are out the a lot.

[Todd4State]

MSU not taking advantage of something simple and logical?

Shocking!**

[OLJWales]

Does anybody remember the year Old Waverly hosted the Ladies U.S. Open?

[Pancho]

Does anybody remember the year Old Waverly hosted the Ladies U.S. Open?

98 or 99

[TALL DAWG]

98 or 99

Non-golfer here.
Just curious, have they hosted it again?
If not, why not?

Also, has there ever been a men?s PGA event at Old Waverly?

[State82]

Also, has there ever been a men?s PGA event at Old Waverly?

No our only PGA event is the Sanderson Farms Classic at the Country Club of Jackson and for many years at Annandale CC.

[Maroonthirteen]

Well.... tell us what you heard as to why all coaches don't have memberships.

Also Saban is "trying" to buy? There is a house right now for sale at Waverly on realtor.

[Tater]

Don't have to ask questions to the athletic admin through Elite Dawgs. You can always email John about it. He responds to emails from a msstate.edu account.

[Coach34]

Don't have to ask questions to the athletic admin through Elite Dawgs. You can always email John about it. He responds to emails from a msstate.edu account.

I did it this way because of the pub it would get. Get other people asking the same question. Thanks tho.

[Tater]

I did it this way because of the pub it would get. Get other people asking the same question. Thanks tho.

But did you do both?

[Maroonthirteen]

Much to do about nothing. If a coach wants to go play golf, I'm sure it can be arranged.

Side point, not all coaches want to play golf. Even less have time to play golf. Therefore, MSU doesn't need to send Waverly a yearly membership fee for dozens of people.

[OLJWales]

Much to do about nothing. If a coach wants to go play golf, I'm sure it can be arranged.

Side point, not all coaches want to play golf. Even less have time to play golf. Therefore, MSU doesn't need to send Waverly a yearly membership fee for dozens of people.

Yep. And if Ron White can get an exclusive CC membership Added to his contract, Im sure all SEC Coaches can.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KrvG_PcErcI&t=40s

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

Does anybody remember the year Old Waverly hosted the Ladies U.S. Open?

Yes. I was there. It was hot as well diggers crack that weekend. I?ll never forget that

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

Non-golfer here.
Just curious, have they hosted it again?
If not, why not?

Also, has there ever been a men?s PGA event at Old Waverly?

Unfortunately because the pro?s blitzed the course. Inkster won the open in 99 at 16 under

[OLJWales]

Yes. I was there. It was hot as well diggers crack that weekend. I?ll never forget that

Neither will I which was why I was asking to remind myself. I had 2 friends drive down from Memphis to play DR with day one tickets for the Ladies U. S. Open. On the 16th tee, I get a call informing my dad's health took a huge downward spiral and we all 3 had to pack up and head to Jacktown. Missed out on a lot but at least I got back to say goodbye before he died. I've outlived him by 2 years now @ fiddy nine.

[viverlibre]

Does anybody remember the year Old Waverly hosted the Ladies U.S. Open?

Was there some type of incident where a deer on the course interrupted play? I remember Jim Rome making a crack about deer hunting being combined with a professional golf event.

[Coach34]

Also Saban is "trying" to buy? There is a house right now for sale at Waverly on realtor.

He's trying to buy something not currently for sale and build his own.

I just think it's ridiculous we arent providing that resource to our coaches and taking advantage of it for athletic endeavors

[Coursesuper]

We played at Waverly this trip and got to talking to people...

Why doesn?t every coach on staff at State have a Waverly membership in their contract? Whatever we have with Mossy Oak out there is irrelevant. Waverly has the rep and could help us in all kinds of ways. Even Saban is trying to buy out there. Golf recruits commit to us over being able to play Waverly.

That?s something very elementary we aren?t taking advantage of.

Mossy Oak is far from irrelevant, its a very very good track and nationally ranked, its just very different from Old Waverly. The practice facilities for both golf teams is at Mossy Oak and are first rate and on par with anyone else in the league. As far as the coaches compensation I've got nothing for you, but if they want to go out to either facility I doubt the have a problem with access.

[Johnson85]

He's trying to buy something not currently for sale and build his own.

I just think it's ridiculous we arent providing that resource to our coaches and taking advantage of it for athletic endeavors

I'm confused as to what you think we aren't taking advantage of? Has Waverly offered us some sweet deal where we can get a big discount by buying a group membership that we have declined? Or a deal where coaches can get any initiation fee waived for coaches? If there's not some sort of screaming deal they're offering, I'm just not sure that many coaches want to and have time to play golf such that there is a big opportunity there for MSU to use a group membership. I just don't think most coaches will care enough for it to move the needle.

[ScottH]

Golf recruits commit to us over being able to play Waverly.


Apparently the best aren't committing. MSU men's team is currently 62nd in the rankings per GolfStat. (Rebbies are 22nd as a comparison)

Also, the top senior in Mississippi in the class of 2021, 22 and 23 play out of Waverly. None are going to MSU.

2021 is at LSU, 2022 signed with Vanderbilt and 2023 has committed to Ole Miss.

Maybe coaching is the issue?

[OLJWales]

I remember when we were good in golf.

[Coursesuper]

I remember when we were good in golf.
When was that?

[LC Dawg]

Give them memberships at Waverly and The Pony. That's a Win-Win.

[Coach34]

I'm confused as to what you think we aren't taking advantage of? Has Waverly offered us some sweet deal where we can get a big discount by buying a group membership that we have declined? Or a deal where coaches can get any initiation fee waived for coaches? If there's not some sort of screaming deal they're offering, I'm just not sure that many coaches want to and have time to play golf such that there is a big opportunity there for MSU to use a group membership. I just don't think most coaches will care enough for it to move the needle.

Waverly said they would bend over backwards for State to do whats right

[Coach34]

Apparently the best aren't committing. MSU men's team is currently 62nd in the rankings per GolfStat. (Rebbies are 22nd as a comparison)

Also, the top senior in Mississippi in the class of 2021, 22 and 23 play out of Waverly. None are going to MSU.

2021 is at LSU, 2022 signed with Vanderbilt and 2023 has committed to Ole Miss.

Maybe coaching is the issue?

We're recruiting a kid from Shreveport that's son of a friend. Kid literally said State's the leader because of Waverly.

[ScottH]

We're recruiting a kid from Shreveport that's son of a friend. Kid literally said State's the leader because of Waverly.

Didn't say they weren't using Waverly as as carrot. Have played behind and in front of the team playing practice rounds at Waverly in the last 3 weeks.

But I did say even in the face of having the team golf facilities (which includes Waverly), if they are ranked 62nd and losing local kids to other SEC schools, there's a problem somewhere.

[OLJWales]

When was that?

Too long ago to remember. I remember people talking about STATE'S Overall Program from course mgt to running country clubs and our team did not suck.

[Coursesuper]

Too long ago to remember. I remember people talking about STATE'S Overall Program from course mgt to running country clubs and our team did not suck.

You've got a bunch of stuff convoluted here, MSU has a Professional Golf Management program PGM in the Business School, we have the Golf and Sport Turf Management program in the School of Agriculture, of which I am a proud grad. Both are strong programs, neither one of these programs are part of the athletic department or receive any funding from the AD. The men's and women's golf teams have seen a few very small spirts of success in the past but they have been far from strong even with a recent significant facilities investment from the Bryan family and others.

[Ari Gold]

Played Dancing Rabbit, never saw Old Waverly I don't think. Any comparisons?

Comparing the Rabbit to Waverly is like comparing a flank steak to a filet..

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Waverly hosted the 99 US womens open. Julie Inkster won it

[Johnson85]

Comparing the Rabbit to Waverly is like comparing a flank steak to a filet..

Yea, Rabbit's course may be comparable, but the atmosphere at Waverly is just so much better. Waverly just has that old school country club feel without feeling exclusive or snooty. It's like the golf version of an old, traditional style church.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

When was that?
Late 90's, early 00's

[Coursesuper]

Late 90's, early 00's
Seen a few short lived runs, with a few really talented players. We?ve missed on a bunch of good players in the past 10 years that could have helped to change things, but still not competing at the level of the rest of our league.

[Coursesuper]

Comparing the Rabbit to Waverly is like comparing a flank steak to a filet..

Agreed, the Casino courses just have a different atmosphere. I agree I like Waverly more than DR, personally knowing both designers of Old Waverly not part of the decision. I see them as very different, OW you must put the ball in the right place to score. DR is very typical Fazio even if JP did get in on it. It?s big, big fwys, grns, bunkers and the rest. Nice to look at but kinda hollow. Both staffs do a great job conditioning their courses.

[Schultzy]

Unfortunately because the pro?s blitzed the course. Inkster won the open in 99 at 16 under

Very cool spring that year stunted Bermuda growth or scores would?ve been much higher.

[Hot Rock]

Much to do about nothing. If a coach wants to go play golf, I'm sure it can be arranged.

Side point, not all coaches want to play golf. Even less have time to play golf. Therefore, MSU doesn't need to send Waverly a yearly membership fee for dozens of people.

I think this is the case myself.

I am not sure telling a coach, here is a golf membership, go spend all your spare time playing golf is the message you want to send coaches when you are making a hire.

[BeardoMSU]

a flank steak to a filet..

flank steaks are better than filets, tho.***

[Johnson85]

Agreed, the Casino courses just have a different atmosphere. I agree I like Waverly more than DR, personally knowing both designers of Old Waverly not part of the decision. I see them as very different, OW you must put the ball in the right place to score. DR is very typical Fazio even if JP did get in on it. It?s big, big fwys, grns, bunkers and the rest. Nice to look at but kinda hollow. Both staffs do a great job conditioning their courses.

Didn't stand out to me so much at the two dancing rabbit courses, but that is exactly how I feel about Fallen Oak. The greens were interesting, but it was very unsatisfying playing the course. I'm not playing from the tips, so maybe it is a different story for good golfers, but not playing from the tips, it felt like it was very much designed for non-golfers. Lots of beautiful scenery, lots of hazards that are barely in play. Out of the casino courses I've played in Mississippi, I would rank it actually behind the Grand, the Preserve, either Dancing Rabbit course, and the Bridges (although the Bridges is arguably gimmicky; it's almost like an irons target shooting course). Only scrambled Tunica and neither I nor anybody in my group could hit worth a shit that day, and it was hot as balls, so can't really judge it fairly.

[Fader21]

I don't know about y'all, but Sonny Guy Municipal is where it's at. It's like playing golf and call of duty at the same time.

[Coach34]

I am not sure telling a coach, here is a golf membership, go spend all your spare time playing golf is the message you want to send coaches when you are making a hire.

We have a football coach that spends at least a month per year in Key West and you really think a golf membership would be a bad idea?

[Hot Rock]

We have a football coach that spends at least a month per year in Key West and you really think a golf membership would be a bad idea?

You must not play golf like I did. Yes, it's a bad idea. A month? Hell, how about every day of the year its' pretty for 3-4 hours a day and when it wasn't pretty as long as I could stand it and I never did get good at putting. Most frustrating game out there. Dammit.

[viverlibre]

I don't know about y'all, but Sonny Guy Municipal is where it's at. It's like playing golf and call of duty at the same time.

Played Sunny Guy many times in the mid 90s, I appreciated buying cheap golf balls from the bums on the course. In the summer, the greens/fairways/tee-boxes on the Hawkins Field side would get harder than concrete.

[speedy1972]

We played at Waverly this trip and got to talking to people...

Why doesn?t every coach on staff at State have a Waverly membership in their contract? Whatever we have with Mossy Oak out there is irrelevant. Waverly has the rep and could help us in all kinds of ways. Even Saban is trying to buy out there. Golf recruits commit to us over being able to play Waverly.

That?s something very elementary we aren?t taking advantage of.

Which coach needs/wants a membership to Old Waverly that doesn't currently have one? Both men's and women's golf head coaches have memberships as well as head baseball, basketball and football. And trust me, if any other head coach and their staff wanted to come play, the people at Old Waverly will make it happen.

[Coach34]

Which coach needs/wants a membership to Old Waverly that doesn't currently have one? Both men's and women's golf head coaches have memberships as well as head baseball, basketball and football.

What about the LB coach?
The Pitching coach?
The Volleyball coach?

All coaches- not just HC's

[FISHDAWG]

Comparing the Rabbit to Waverly is like comparing a flank steak to a filet..

I've played some of the most exclusive clubs in Atlanta & Georgia. like Country Club of the South, Golf Club of Georgia, Atlanta National, East Lake, and most points in between down to Sea Island and Harbor town .... and I've played Dancing Rabbit and it's not exactly "Flank Steak" as you put it. If so, then I HAVE to find a way to play Old Waverly

[BrunswickDawg]

I've played some of the most exclusive clubs in Atlanta & Georgia. like Country Club of the South, Golf Club of Georgia, Atlanta National, East Lake, and most points in between down to Sea Island and Harbor town .... and I've played Dancing Rabbit and it's not exactly "Flank Steak" as you put it. If so, then I HAVE to find a way to play Old Waverly

No way Waverly beats the Sea Island courses or East Lake. Fish - which Sea Island Courses have you played? Seaside is my favorite still - but Frederica (which they sold, but Sea Island built) gives it a run for its money.

[FISHDAWG]

No way Waverly beats the Sea Island courses or East Lake. Fish - which Sea Island Courses have you played? Seaside is my favorite still - but Frederica (which they sold, but Sea Island built) gives it a run for its money.

I agree ... my point was I have seen and played a lot of upscale courses and as far as condition of the course - Dancing Rabbit (when I played it at the time) was as well conditioned as a lot of the ones I'm referencing ..... Seaside is the one Sea Island course I've played and it was only once but it was delightful .... Played at Jekyll Island a lot and over at Hilton Head and even played the Atlanta Athletic Club once but I really enjoyed Dancing Rabbit - maybe it's the country boy in me

[Coursesuper]

No way Waverly beats the Sea Island courses or East Lake. Fish - which Sea Island Courses have you played? Seaside is my favorite still - but Frederica (which they sold, but Sea Island built) gives it a run for its money.

Frederica is a cut above on any scale. Those kinds of facilities are few and far between. Within driving distance of there only a few measure up, Pablo Creek, White Oak, Ford Plantation, Long Cove and Spring Island to name just a few that have that same feel.

[BrunswickDawg]

I agree ... my point was I have seen and played a lot of upscale courses and as far as condition of the course - Dancing Rabbit (when I played it at the time) was as well conditioned as a lot of the ones I'm referencing ..... Seaside is the one Sea Island course I've played and it was only once but it was delightful .... Played at Jekyll Island a lot and over at Hilton Head and even played the Atlanta Athletic Club once but I really enjoyed Dancing Rabbit - maybe it's the country boy in me

Atmosphere of the course plays into it too. I think that is what makes Seaside so special - it's hard to beat a historic, impeccably maintained oceanfront course at 5 Star resort.
I worked on Jekyll for 15 years, so I've played those courses a ton. Best public courses in the state. Even played the historic dunes course in plus fours with hickory clubs and a gutty.

[BrunswickDawg]

Frederica is a cut above on any scale. Those kinds of facilities are few and far between. Within driving distance of there only a few measure up, Pablo Creek, White Oak, Ford Plantation, Long Cove and Spring Island to name just a few that have that same feel.

Yes it is. I've only played it once - and it was possibly the most enjoyable round I've ever played. I had friends that played White Oak a couple of weeks ago and raved about it.

[Coursesuper]

Yes it is. I've only played it once - and it was possibly the most enjoyable round I've ever played. I had friends that played White Oak a couple of weeks ago and raved about it.

White Oak is far from the normal even in the high high end private club realm.

[speedy1972]

What about the LB coach?
The Pitching coach?
The Volleyball coach?

All coaches- not just HC's

If OW accommodated every coach in the athletic department (and their family members), you are talking in excess of 50 coaches! Hell, the MSU GC doesn't even give comp memberships to our staff. The Athletic Department has a "corporate membership" and has a certain number of designated coaches/administrators that are granted access. It is based on need/benefits of which coaches at MSU gain the most from utilizing the facility. Other coaches, such as the tennis coach, who plays golf on a regular basis, is granted access on a regular basis because OW has always done right by MSU. Do you have any idea of what a membership at OW costs?? And besides, the membership is a taxable benefit that the third assistant volleyball coach would more than likely not want.