At Virginia 1st round NIT

[msstate7]

If we win, we play winner of Texas st/north Texas

[Commercecomet24]

One more game.

[CaptainObvious]

Ah yes. A 4 Seed in a 16 team tournament. I think I would have just passed it to a more deserving team.

Edited to say. Good to know we are one of the 4 worst basketball teams deserving of a bid.

[msstate7]

One more game.

Be interesting to see how much we care.
Kenpom: us -45, them - 84
NET: us - 57, them - 83

[msstate7]

Ah yes. A 4 Seed in a 16 team tournament. I think I would have just passed it to a more deserving team.

It's a 32 team tourney

[CaptainObvious]

Really. There are 32 teams that are still good enough to play more? Not a consolation but thanks for the correction. Guess my level of care went up 1% since I now know they think there are at least 16 worse teams than us willing to toss it up center circle one more time.

At least our DC and Virginia area fans can maybe take in a game.

[EdwardDrayton]

Awesome. Another chance to experience complete and utter frustration. ****

[msstate7]

72 + 32 = 104 teams in ncaa/nit.
104/358 = 29.1% of Div 1

42 bowls = 84 teams
84/130 (Div 1/fbs teams) = 64.6% of Div 1/fbs

No one seems to mind crappy bowl games, but everyone seems to hate the NIT when it's harder to make.

For the record, I'm sick of the NIT, but I will watch just like I watch us play in memphis in football

[SteelCurtain74]

Really. There are 32 teams that are still good enough to play more? Not a consolation but thanks for the correction. Guess my level of care went up 1% since I now know they think there are at least 16 worse teams than us willing to toss it up center circle one more time.

At least our DC and Virginia area fans can maybe take in a game.

Oh but it gets worse. There is another tournament called the CBI (College Basketball Invitational) that has 16 additional teams that play a meaningless tournament. I saw Troy and California Baptist had accepted invites so far.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Why does Virginia get the home game instead of us. It looks like we are a 3 seed and they are a 6? Or am I misreading something with that bracket

[msstate7]

Why does Virginia get the home game instead of us. It looks like we are a 3 seed and they are a 6? Or am I misreading something with that bracket

Scheduling problem for us, they said

ETA... are they renovating hump already?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why does Virginia get the home game instead of us. It looks like we are a 3 seed and they are a 6? Or am I misreading something with that bracket

Hump renovations already started.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Hump renovations already started.

That makes more sense glad to hear the renovations are underway

[HoopsDawg]

72 + 32 = 104 teams in ncaa/nit.
104/358 = 29.1% of Div 1

42 bowls = 84 teams
84/130 (Div 1/fbs teams) = 64.6% of Div 1/fbs

No one seems to mind crappy bowl games, but everyone seems to hate the NIT when it's harder to make.

For the record, I'm sick of the NIT, but I will watch just like I watch us play in memphis in football

72?

[msstate7]

72?

68, even better

[Quaoarsking]

Oh but it gets worse. There is another tournament called the CBI (College Basketball Invitational) that has 16 additional teams that play a meaningless tournament. I saw Troy and California Baptist had accepted invites so far.

There's also another one below that that used to be called the CIT, and is now called The Basketball Classic.

[schddog72]

That makes more sense glad to hear the renovations are underway

Hump renovations is a very convenient talking point, but the REAL reason is because UVA will draw a half-way decent crowd; they have good fan support. It would really be embarrassing to be playing a post-season tournament game in an empty building.

I watch ACC basketball much more than I watch SEC basketball. This will be a low-scoring game. UVA plays very good defense and doesn't shoot the 3-ball very well. Beating them will be a tall task.

[OLJWales]

Fornicate Under the Consent of the King. 17 if you get it. Blue Balls we have.

[msstate7]

Hump renovations is a very convenient talking point, but the REAL reason is because UVA will draw a half-way decent crowd; they have good fan support. It would really be embarrassing to be playing a post-season tournament game in an empty building.

I watch ACC basketball much more than I watch SEC basketball. This will be a low-scoring game. UVA plays very good defense and doesn't shoot the 3-ball very well. Beating them will be a tall task.

I think you'd be wrong on the hump renovation part. Having to be complete before next season means you can't delay esp with the lead time on building supplies these days

[Commercecomet24]

Be interesting to see how much we care.
Kenpom: us -45, them - 84
NET: us - 57, them - 83

I'm interested to see too. Ben on the way out, players leaving, not sure how much effort we'll see. Hope we win it all but I'm thinking this will be our last game.

[EdwardDrayton]

72 + 32 = 104 teams in ncaa/nit.
104/358 = 29.1% of Div 1

42 bowls = 84 teams
84/130 (Div 1/fbs teams) = 64.6% of Div 1/fbs

No one seems to mind crappy bowl games, but everyone seems to hate the NIT when it's harder to make.

For the record, I'm sick of the NIT, but I will watch just like I watch us play in memphis in football

We seem to make it look easier than most to get in the NIT. ****

[msstate7]

We seem to make it look easier than most to get in the NIT. ****

Lower level bowls and NIT are our speciality lol

[Cooterpoot]

I'm disappointed we're wasting money on this shit

[CaptainObvious]

I'm disappointed we're wasting money on this shit

For sure. This will be a financial loss for MSU just sending the bus up there. I suspect the Pep Band will not go.

[FISHDAWG]

State Wins NIT and Howland gets 2 year extension**

[Dawgology]

I think you'd be wrong on the hump renovation part. Having to be complete before next season means you can't delay esp with the lead time on building supplies these days

Good grief isn?t that the truth. Not to derail the OP but we are working on a renovation right now and had to schedule supplies 6 weeks in advance and hope they were all here in time. SMH.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think you'd be wrong on the hump renovation part. Having to be complete before next season means you can't delay esp with the lead time on building supplies these days

University has already come out and said it is a two year reno job. It will be completed for 23-24 season. We will play in a under construction Hump next year.

[msstate7]

University has already come out and said it is a two year reno job. It will be completed for 23-24 season. We will play in a under construction Hump next year.

That makes more sense. I was wondering how they'd pull that off in less than a year

[Offshore Dawg]

You could loose half the seating during renovation and not affect attendance

[R2Dawg]

72 + 32 = 104 teams in ncaa/nit.
104/358 = 29.1% of Div 1

42 bowls = 84 teams
84/130 (Div 1/fbs teams) = 64.6% of Div 1/fbs

No one seems to mind crappy bowl games, but everyone seems to hate the NIT when it's harder to make.

For the record, I'm sick of the NIT, but I will watch just like I watch us play in memphis in football

Agree 7. I'm tired of NIT too but making post season is still an accomplishment. Hard after losing in finals last year.

[RougeDawg]

University has already come out and said it is a two year reno job. It will be completed for 23-24 season. We will play in a under construction Hump next year.

The Hump or the program?

Wonder if they can install rims that get slightly larger when we shoot from 3 point? Would work wonders.

[CaptainObvious]

State Wins NIT and Howland gets 2 year extension**

It?s gonna be a NO for me Dog.

[basedog]

I just hope or wish they dig up all those "dead bodies" in the Hump, we need some new life for both WBB and MBB. Seems appropriate to renovate and rebuild a few years.

[OLJWales]

Agree 7. I'm tired of NIT too but making post season is still an accomplishment. Hard after losing in finals last year.

"Accomplishment" ?

[R2Dawg]

"Accomplishment" ?

Generally speaking. We brag on the bowl streak and few teams had done it that long. It is something. We can't ignore the bball post season if we brag on bowl streak.

I'm not saying it was an accomplishment this year. Get real. We have been an NCAAT team for 2-3 years now and blown it.

[msstate7]

"Accomplishment" ?

If the only accomplishment is making the ncaa tourney, then we've only had 11 accomplishments all time. For reference, OM has 9, and no one thinks they're a good program. We arent a good basketball program

[Homedawg]

This game could end up first one to 30 wins. Both play slow and can't score. I'm sort of kidding but not by much!!!

[Homedawg]

If the only accomplishment is making the ncaa tourney, then we've only had 11 accomplishments all time. For reference, OM has 9, and no one thinks they're a good program. We arent a good basketball program

I know I'll get blasted for this Bc some will say it's poor ole mstate but here goes, why should we be a top 25 team and make the tourney every year?? That's crazy talk. Howland has reached his end of time and we need to move on. But it's pretty unrealistic to expect a ton more than what he gave us. Take away his first two years. I think if you make the tourney here 2/5 times you've done quite well. Which is better than what BH did. History tells us that's the case. Fire away

[AROB44]

I know I'll get blasted for this Bc some will say it's poor ole mstate but here goes, why should we be a top 25 team and make the tourney every year?? That's crazy talk. Howland has reached his end of time and we need to move on. But it's pretty unrealistic to expect a ton more than what he gave us. Take away his first two years. I think if you make the tourney here 2/5 times you've done quite well. Which is better than what BH did. History tells us that's the case. Fire away

Agree with this. I am baffled at the way some act like Howland is a pitiful coach and that we could do so much better. But, I guess that's the MSU way....bash anyone who coached here and always think the next coach will be so much better. We just might look back on Ben's tenure as one of our best. Outside of way back in my day with Babe Mccarthy, who has been better. I know some will come back with Richard Williams, but he caught lighting in a bottle by the name of Dontae Jones (one of my favorite all time).

[Commercecomet24]

I know I'll get blasted for this Bc some will say it's poor ole mstate but here goes, why should we be a top 25 team and make the tourney every year?? That's crazy talk. Howland has reached his end of time and we need to move on. But it's pretty unrealistic to expect a ton more than what he gave us. Take away his first two years. I think if you make the tourney here 2/5 times you've done quite well. Which is better than what BH did. History tells us that's the case. Fire away

I don't think it's "poor ol State" when you're being realistic. Sure there are expectations but they have to be realistic. Be realistic then build something more and that's great, but if you're not realistic about things you're going to have a lot of angst in your life.

I agree it's time for Ben to move on. Appreciate what he did, but he looks absolutely worn out and the team plays that way.

[Coach34]

I could deal with one more year of Howland but I'm just hearing too many people say this is it for him.

[msstate7]

Howland's downfall was he just couldn't sell the program to us fans enough to buy in. If the new coach doesn't improve the results, but he gets fans back in the hump, he won't be fired

[BrunswickDawg]

Howland's downfall was he just couldn't sell the program to us fans enough to buy in. If the new coach doesn't improve the results, but he gets fans back in the hump, he won't be fired

Most of our fans would never believe that he coached us to our 3rd highest single season win total either, or that he had as many 20+ win seasons as Williams and a higher winning percentage.

[basedog]

Most of our fans would never believe that he coached us to our 3rd highest single season win total either, or that he had as many 20+ win seasons as Williams and a higher winning percentage.

Interesting, but I would.

[Homedawg]

I could deal with one more year of Howland but I'm just hearing too many people say this is it for him.

Yep. Last swan song...

[HoopsDawg]

I could deal with one more year of Howland but I'm just hearing too many people say this is it for him.

we better have a fcking coach lined up.

[NWADAWG]

Interesting, but I would.

Expectations are higher now and that's a good thing.

In the 87-88 and 88-89 seasons, I could walk to Hump 30 mins before game, show my ID, get my ticket, and go sit mid court close to court with empty seats all around me. I watched us lose badly to Converse All Americans (think that's the right nobody) one night in pre-season exhibition.

I don't ever want to compare to that again.

[msstate7]

we better have a fcking coach lined up.

I agree with this. The day I'd sign the termination papers is after the day I have a signed contract from new guy

[msstate7]

Expectations are higher now and that's a good thing.

In the 87-88 and 88-89 seasons, I could walk to Hump 30 mins before game, show my ID, get my ticket, and go sit mid court close to court with empty seats all around me. I watched us lose badly to Converse All Americans (think that's the right nobody) one night in pre-season exhibition.

I don't ever want to compare to that again.

Only difference now is they would check your ticket before you got those empty primo seats

[Percho]

Most of our fans would never believe that he coached us to our 3rd highest single season win total either, or that he had as many 20+ win seasons as Williams and a higher winning percentage.

The very reason if it were up to me I would not make a change just to make us a little better but to build a program starting with a young up and coming coach like the guy at Samford. Hire someone to come in and build for a long term program.

[RocketDawg]

3 backcourt violations in the first 6 minutes. Sort of unusual.

[msstate7]

3 backcourt violations in the first 6 minutes. Sort of unusual.

That's terrible.

Refs are letting Virginia beat the hell out of tolu down low.

[EdwardDrayton]

3 backcourt violations in the first 6 minutes. Sort of unusual.

Pretty confident I’ve never seen that before. And probably not six TOs in the first six minutes either.

[msstate7]

They didn't call the foul on us that caused that travel either. Maybe they just aren't calling anything

[EdwardDrayton]

Eleven minutes, ten points

[msstate7]

If college basketball wants to improve the game, stop calling 70% of collisions an offensive foul

[hailmari]

Hell I didn?t even know who or when we were playing until the game had already started. I?d completely unplugged.

[CaptainObvious]

Eleven minutes, ten points

But only 8 Turnovers. So we got that going for us.

[msstate7]

Doesn't a shooter get to land without contact?

[msstate7]

Finally call a foul on that dude

[Maroonthirteen]

Well.... I hope the next coach brings some shooters.

These guys shoot so many bricks the Hump will be renovated early.

[msstate7]

Glad howland is on the refs. They can be as physical as they want on D, and all-the-sudden we get called for touch fouls

[Commercecomet24]

Same story different day.

[Cowbell]

Watching this game makes me wanna just doze down the hump and put all basketball funds to football....

[Saltydog]

Howland's downfall was he just couldn't sell the program to us fans enough to buy in. If the new coach doesn't improve the results, but he gets fans back in the hump, he won't be fired

Meh.......It sells yourself if you win enough......Another thing that doesn't appeal to many is that our type of play is slow, ugly. It's like watching the grass grow.

[Maroonthirteen]

There is not one outside shooting threat on this team. That is truly amazing.

[msstate7]

Meh.......It sells yourself if you win enough......Another thing that doesn't appeal to many is that our type of play is slow, ugly. It's like watching the grass grow.

We were a 5-seed and played in front of no one

[Commercecomet24]

There is not one outside shooting threat on this team. That is truly amazing.

It's hard to understand how that's even possible in this day and age but here we are living proof.

[OLJWales]

Well.... I hope the next coach brings some shooters.

These guys shoot so many bricks the Hump will be renovated early.

LMAO. Howland doesn't develop talent with his low energy. This team has the shittiest shooters.

[Saltydog]

Howland is coaching tonight like his job is on the line. It's kinda llike Merlin during his last few games at UF. He's more animated and very involved. Where the hell has that been the rest of the year?

[EdwardDrayton]

How bad is Virginia that we’re only down eight points.

[msstate7]

That has to frustrating. We drew up a perfect play, and Moore couldn't hit the shot

[OLJWales]

We need to go inside everytime if we wanna score occasionally.

[Cooterpoot]

I flipped over and watching softball now. Wa better than this shit.

[Cowbell]

Anybody watching this that is fine with us keeping howland another year must be smarter than me.

[NCDawg]

We need to go inside everytime if we wanna score occasionally.


I guess Howland thought they guys he brought in via the transfer portal were good shooters. Think he was mistaken.

[HoopsDawg]

So this is what it feels like to not care.

[OLJWales]

I wonder if our shooting sucks this bad in practice.

[OLJWales]

I guess Howland thought they guys he brought in via the transfer portal were good shooters. Think he was mistaken.

Did they suck at their previous stints too?

[EdwardDrayton]

Jekyll is in the house. Hopefully Hyde has just left the building.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

How are D1 Basketball players so bad at Basketball? Put some pads on them and make them DEs or DBs.

[OLJWales]

Why did we sit there and not defend that last shot?

[OLJWales]

These 2 guys commentating do not suck.

[msstate7]

Take a seat Davis, and go find you another place to play

[Maroonthirteen]

Let's go! Win this game

[OLJWales]

Take a seat Davis, and go find you another place to play

Regarding how he just mugged that dude in the face?

[EdwardDrayton]

Caffaro shoulda’ been hit with a T in the first half.

[Maroonthirteen]

Did they suck at their previous stints too?

I ignore Memphis basketball as much as I can. However Jeffries seemed to have a good game against us last year. Not sure what he did prior.

I don't know why that dude doesn't shoot better. He wants to be perimeter player. He is a legit 6-6. He has a size advantage. He should be a better shooter.

[Saltydog]

We were a 5-seed and played in front of no one

Did we sustain that success? Did we only play one game in the tourney? Is our pace of play unappealing to a lot of fans? They're all factors 7 and you know that. I mean, I'm surprised Howland doesn't teach the set shot. Now that I think about it maybe that wouldn't be such a bad idea given our lack of outside shooting this year.

[msstate7]

Caffaro can literally do whatever the F he wants to out there with no foul

[BiscuitEater]

Molinar has had the ball 'taken' out of his hands four times by A va defender, Just handed away!

[msstate7]

They're just killing up with midrange

[Saltydog]

Molinar has had the ball 'taken' out of his hands four times by A va defender, Just handed away!

I love Molinar but he forces a lot of shots and gets in trouble sometime trying to make too much happen. Some of that is on him but i'm sure he feels the pressure to score.

[msstate7]

Can't get a stop bc we keep leaving that midrange jumper open, and they apparently shoot that shot at 98.77777%

[OLJWales]

Welp, I reckon we all know how this ends. We don't have grinding energy at the end to win these types.

[Maroonthirteen]

Keep feeding him!!!

[msstate7]

Damn offensive reb

[msstate7]

I can live with since he was hot, but I'd have gone to tolu

[msstate7]

He threw an elbow didn't he

[Saltydog]

If we win, we play winner of Texas st/north Texas

Brooks is one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen wear the maroon/white. He just disappears sometime.

[msstate7]

I don't care if we lose. I just wanna see someone knock caffaro the F out. That dude has the likability of Christian latnaer

[Maroonthirteen]

He threw an elbow didn't he

Yes. Looked like he gave a subtle elbow to the chest, is why Brooks shoved him.

[Homedawg]

He threw an elbow didn't he

Nah

[msstate7]

Nah

Looked like it live, but you right

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Why does everyone have a mask on there?

[RocketDawg]

I don't care if we lose. I just wanna see someone knock caffaro the F out. That dude has the likability of Christian latnaer

He's been a trouble maker tonight for sure. Don't know if that's his reputation or not.

[OLJWales]

Technical on Brooks. Ball game. Same shit all year.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

See ya Ben

[EdwardDrayton]

Thanks Ben for choosing to play this NIT game and leaving absolutely no doubt now.

[Commercecomet24]

Technical on Brooks. Ball game. Same shit all year.

Yeah we couldn't close out a game if our life depended on it.

[msstate7]

Why does everyone have a mask on there?

Bc universities have a buncha dummies running them

[basedog]

Yeah we couldn't close out a game if our life depended on it.

Sad, but it’s time to try someone else. So many close games, I can’t ever recall us ever having as many we had all year.

Gotta find shooters.

[Maroonthirteen]

Why does everyone have a mask on there?

I've been to Charlottesville. I toured the campus. It was meh and weird.

Old part of campus was on one side of the highway. More modern buildings on the other side with the football stadium. Their baseball stadium was nice. Not Dude nice but cool. The baseball and basketball arena were close to campus but off campus, it seemed.

The greek houses were laughable bad. ...and there was a bridge or concrete wall nearby with a bunch of liberal propaganda.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Why did Molinar take the last shot? He should have been the 3rd option.

[Dawsonmsu]

Coach 34 - another year with Ben Howland? Are you kidding me?

[msstate7]

Can't think of a more fitting way to lose than Molinar missing another 3

Molinar from 3
38% freshman
43% soph
25% junior

Unbelievable

Please come back and prove that's a fluke

[Commercecomet24]

Thank goodness finally put a stake through this seasons heart.

[Commercecomet24]

Sad, but it?s time to try someone else. So many close games, I can?t ever recall us ever having as many we had all year.

Gotta find shooters.

Yeah you right! Just a really weird season. Close to winning so many but couldn't.

[maroonmania]

Wow, can't believe we lost a close one at the end. I mean I've never seen that before.***

So glad to put a wrap on this most frustrating season.

[EdwardDrayton]

Can't think of a more fitting way to lose than Molinar missing another 3

Molinar from 3
38% freshman
43% soph
25% junior

Unbelievable

Please come back and prove that's a fluke

He should unless he?s just eager to play for someone like FC Barcelona.

[tcdog70]

Can't think of a more fitting way to lose than Molinar missing another 3

Molinar from 3
38% freshman
43% soph
25% junior

Unbelievable

Please come back and prove that's a fluke

Doesn’t have DJ Stewart taking the heat off Him

[EdwardDrayton]

Thank goodness finally put a stake through this seasons heart.

An appropriate metaphor

[OLJWales]

Why does everyone have a mask on there?

Do Gooder Symbolism following fake science showing everybody how much they "care".

[Goldendawg]

Groundhog Day again.

[EdwardDrayton]

So, Cohen with the announcement at 9:00 pm Central ****

We could not even win a first round NIT game.