FSU DB holding out of spring practice due to no NIL deal

[starkvegasdawg]

The can of worms opens wider.

https://brobible.com/sports/article/florida-state-jarvis-brownlee-nil-hold-out/?fbclid=IwAR2OJZShZoNkYQ3NXhSKsQORPIa4PjbNHTFu6qpv CB1ge1rkkUgZ-wczZVg

[msstate7]

College football was on the way down. This rule just sped it up

[Pancho]

What possible requirements could the player not have met in this case?

[DownwardDawg]

Yep. Goodbye College football. It was a good run.

[R2Dawg]

The can of worms opens wider.

https://brobible.com/sports/article/florida-state-jarvis-brownlee-nil-hold-out/?fbclid=IwAR2OJZShZoNkYQ3NXhSKsQORPIa4PjbNHTFu6qpv CB1ge1rkkUgZ-wczZVg

Yeah and the idiots that thought this was a good idea. A lot of mainstream media hypes thought so.

There will not be a ton a players doing this most likely but look at the locker room issues that will result from this. An entitled society just got more entitled.

I'd say goodbye to the DB and say well hit the portal.

[Tater]

Yeah and the idiots that thought this was a good idea. A lot of mainstream media hypes thought so.

There will not be a ton a players doing this most likely but look at the locker room issues that will result from this. An entitled society just got more entitled.

I'd say goodbye to the DB and say well hit the portal.

Oh won't someone think of the poor multi billion dollar academic factories having to actually compensate fairly in according to value now? Such horror.

The bad idea is thinking that someone shouldn't get fairly compensated for their work. That leads to a worker shortage because no one wants to pay a fair value, so why bother. Lame take.

[WSOPdawg]

I'd say goodbye to the DB and say well hit the portal.

His quote of "I'm from Miami and football is all I know" came across to me as a veiled threat with his intent being aimed at FSU to "settle up or I'm hitting the portal and will transfer to the U." This stuff is really about to get interesting.

[Maroonthirteen]

Oh won't someone think of the poor multi billion dollar academic factories having to actually compensate fairly in according to value now? .

Do you believe the regular student should be paid because the University makes money?

[parabrave]

His quote of "I'm from Miami and football is all I know" came across to me as a veiled threat with his intent being aimed at FSU to "settle up or I'm hitting the portal and will transfer to the U." This stuff is really about to get interesting.

To quote the infamous Curly Bill Brocious "BYE". Have the trainers go to his locker collect all of his gear and pile it all in the middle of campus and light a match.

[Ari Gold]

College football is dead..
no reason to even worry about recruiting anymore..
no reason for coaches to grind

I’m actually looking forward to all the tax evasion issues, the IRS issues, the point shaving ( it’s coming), ect..

Going to have to blow it up tear it down and rebuild...

[Maroonthirteen]

This is how absurd the "victim" mentality of the athlete and their apologist is.....

Mississippi State University: 2021 revenue: $572 million. Net position EY: $681million. Cost of attendance for Students: $20K out of state student: $41k
Mississippi State athletics: 2021 revenue: $110 million. Net inc: $2 million. Cost of attendance for athlete: $0 out of state athlete: $0


University of Alabama: 2021 revenue: $872 million. Net position EY: $2.8 Billion. Cost of attendance for students: $31K Out of state student: $51K
Alabama athletics: 2021 revenue: $189 million. Net inc: $15 million. Cost of attendance for athlete: $0 out of state athlete: $0

[R2Dawg]

Oh won't someone think of the poor multi billion dollar academic factories having to actually compensate fairly in according to value now? Such horror.

The bad idea is thinking that someone shouldn't get fairly compensated for their work. That leads to a worker shortage because no one wants to pay a fair value, so why bother. Lame take.

So should top students get paid? After all they are part of what make the Universities great academic institutions not athletics.

So my success in my field, I should get paid back for the positive PR and influence on the reputation of MSU.

You want equity but only given to a certain few. These athletes are getting paid a ton - free school, fringe benefits out the tail, are basically garanteed a job just for being on a team. They getting paid plenty. They also get free access to the best gym, trainers, food, doctors, etc. anywhere on campus.

So lets say the University pays them well now someone has to pay for all those benefits - now comes the bill. Now they get nothing when it is time to actually pay the bill.

Socialist think everything is free.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Oh won't someone think of the poor multi billion dollar academic factories having to actually compensate fairly in according to value now? Such horror.

The bad idea is thinking that someone shouldn't get fairly compensated for their work. That leads to a worker shortage because no one wants to pay a fair value, so why bother. Lame take.

That bastion of conservatism, The Wall Street Journal, says you are misinformed.

"But fewer than 10% of Division I athletic departments—the highest level of intercollegiate athletics sanctioned by the National Collegiate Athletic Association—generated enough revenue to cover the expenses of their sports programs." (25 of 351) All 25 are in the FBS football subdivision.

“The average deficit is around $16 million in the athletic departments,” said Andrew Zimbalist, a sports economist at Smith College.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/march-madness-is-a-moneymaker-most-schools-still-operate-in-red-11615545002

[Todd4State]

Jarrian Jones thinks he should get a NIL deal? From what? A burn paste company?

[DownwardDawg]

College football is dead..
no reason to even worry about recruiting anymore..
no reason for coaches to grind

I’m actually looking forward to all the tax evasion issues, the IRS issues, the point shaving ( it’s coming), ect..

Going to have to blow it up tear it down and rebuild...

This is where I find myself also. I absolutely loved college football my entire life. Now I'm gonna enjoy watching it die off so we can see what it gets back to someday.

Free $200,000 educations for athletes that don't even have to attend classes were not enough!!!!! Free room and board, free meals, being treated like a rock star, etc......
They had it so bad.

[Leroy Jenkins]

If he "holds out" of practice, does the school send him a bill for the tuition/lodging/meals? I mean, you cant really be on football scholarship without the football part, right?

[parabrave]

The NCAA and the Univer Pres screwed this up years ago. Should've given these athletes either a monthly Stipend or like in the old day, no show jobs. Would've cut off the Agent/lawyers at the knees.

[RougeDawg]

Oh won't someone think of the poor multi billion dollar academic factories having to actually compensate fairly in according to value now? Such horror.

The bad idea is thinking that someone shouldn't get fairly compensated for their work. That leads to a worker shortage because no one wants to pay a fair value, so why bother. Lame take.

Yea. Why weren?t we paid for the research we did for 3-4 years and the classes after us that the university then sold to corporations and profited? And continues to sell.

Oh uea, wait the school provided the opportunity and platform to gain a quality education to make a living after college. The entire reason for colleges in the first place. Educate and enable a quality life.

You sure you didn?t get a facts or reality vaccine recently instead of what you thought you received?

[sack07]

I don?t understand why people don?t get this. The universities are not paying anyone. The rule just allows them to earn whatever someone is willing to pay them, as any student could do.

[R2Dawg]

I don?t understand why people don?t get this. The universities are not paying anyone. The rule just allows them to earn whatever someone is willing to pay them, as any student could do.

Oh people get it, they just want to make their woke case for handouts - to anyone that will give one or anyone that has more than them.

[CaptainObvious]

I don?t understand why people don?t get this. The universities are not paying anyone. The rule just allows them to earn whatever someone is willing to pay them, as any student could do.

So his ?holdout? against the University Football team is him saying, Football team, it is YOUR responsibility to get me an NIL deal. Which I believe is STILL illegal for the football team to do.

[sack07]

Where did I say his actions were justified? I was addressing all the misinformed comments.

[OLJWales]

This is Awesome and Unexpected. LMAO.

[Maroonthirteen]

So can someone tell us why he can't get a nil deal? Something about the state of Florida and nil rules. Which I think is his beef. However the article never really says exactly what the state of Florida problem is as to why he can't get a nil. Or that I can see. I ain't paying nothing.

[Tater]

Do you believe the regular student should be paid because the University makes money?

I believe that tuition is becoming a racket designed to crunch the working class into school loans and long-term becoming indentured servants who can't ever afford to own anything.

So yea... of course I'm for students either getting more money or someone regulating the tuition price gouging back down.

[Tater]

So should top students get paid? After all they are part of what make the Universities great academic institutions not athletics.

So my success in my field, I should get paid back for the positive PR and influence on the reputation of MSU.

You want equity but only given to a certain few. These athletes are getting paid a ton - free school, fringe benefits out the tail, are basically garanteed a job just for being on a team. They getting paid plenty. They also get free access to the best gym, trainers, food, doctors, etc. anywhere on campus.

So lets say the University pays them well now someone has to pay for all those benefits - now comes the bill. Now they get nothing when it is time to actually pay the bill.

Socialist think everything is free.

I like how you just assumed a lot of my opinions and then argued against them like I said them. I never said ONLY worry about college football players. They're just the topic at hand.

Top students are paid more than their peers due to scholarships. But on the whole college should be cheaper / students shouldn't have to mortgage their future to get an entry level job. Tuition is being price gouged right now. The next wave will be even more of a migration to the trades where the same apprenticeship price gouging is going. People at the top can afford to make less, way less; however, no one in this country wants to sacrifice a single penny of potential profit if they don't have to. (See: Raising the oil prices drastically for no reason as OPEC within a week released reserves and will see downward pressure soon. Oil companies didn't run out of supply in a week. They just refused POTENTIALLY to have one week where they didn't INCREASE earnings in the middle of a crisis.)

You also said socialist like some boogeyman. It's not. People just recognize that a system designed to rapidly funnel money upwards and seeing a company NOT increase earnings quarterly as a failing company is going to collapse and not sustainable for the majority.

A company that made 40 million last year and 40 million this year is seen as a worse investment than a company that didn't exist two years ago, made 20k last year and made 500k this year.

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[Tater]

That bastion of conservatism, The Wall Street Journal, says you are misinformed.

"But fewer than 10% of Division I athletic departments?the highest level of intercollegiate athletics sanctioned by the National Collegiate Athletic Association?generated enough revenue to cover the expenses of their sports programs." (25 of 351) All 25 are in the FBS football subdivision.

?The average deficit is around $16 million in the athletic departments,? said Andrew Zimbalist, a sports economist at Smith College.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/march-madness-is-a-moneymaker-most-schools-still-operate-in-red-11615545002

Pray tell, is FSU one of those 25?

[Tater]

Yea. Why weren?t we paid for the research we did for 3-4 years and the classes after us that the university then sold to corporations and profited? And continues to sell.

Oh uea, wait the school provided the opportunity and platform to gain a quality education to make a living after college. The entire reason for colleges in the first place. Educate and enable a quality life.

You sure you didn?t get a facts or reality vaccine recently instead of what you thought you received?

I mean this is a good question and your explanation is weak. They provided you the potential opportunity to make a living elsewhere after college by offering you the chance to come pay to work for their benefit?

Why do they exist then if they are generating work and profit on their own. Why not just directly be the place that you make a living at?

Do we make waiters PAY to be trained at their job? Why is college different? Just because something has always been this way is not a valid reason to keep doing it. Please justify this system with any other answer that doesn't include that someone should pay to be trained.

The jobs / corporations do not exist without workers/consumers. Workers/consumers existed before and will exist after jobs / corporations.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You kick him out of his apartment/dorm if they are paying for it, you clean out his locker send him to Miami. You dont want a me guy on the team

[CaptainObvious]

I believe that tuition is becoming a racket designed to crunch the working class into school loans and long-term becoming indentured servants who can't ever afford to own anything.

So yea... of course I'm for students either getting more money or someone regulating the tuition price gouging back down.

I bet if the 100?s of Thousands of young adults who do not belong in college but rather in a vocational institution, stop paying the ridiculous tuition, and all colleges had to hard recruit like their athletics programs, tuition might be more subsidized.

Oh yeah. It is subsidized:

The brightest and best get most of their tuition paid for.

The marginal to average who think they can accomplish more with a college degree, pay more and usually need loans to get through college.

The poor good students get financial help as well.

And then there are those that have no business being in college and quit, drop out, flunk out or skate by when they would have been better served at previously mentioned trade and vocational schools.

High schools should have major Vo-Tech/Trade School programs as should Community Colleges.

High paying skilled jobs still need to be filled annually.

[Schultzy]

See now we know why Mullen couldn’t succeed at that Florida blue blood.

[EdwardDrayton]

And so it begins ???.. <sigh>

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Oh won't someone think of the poor multi billion dollar academic factories having to actually compensate fairly in according to value now? Such horror.

The bad idea is thinking that someone shouldn't get fairly compensated for their work. That leads to a worker shortage because no one wants to pay a fair value, so why bother. Lame take.

Always a victim.

[Offshore Dawg]

Did it ever occur to this a-hole that he might not be worth a NIL deal? Everybody gets a trophy, and a NIL deal isn't that the way of the world now ??

[Tater]

Always a victim.

I mean 99.99% of people are dealing with a shittier quality of life than they need to because we are propping up the wants of 0.01% over the needs of the many. So yea, most everyone is a victim of society (not exclusive to capitalism / the US, but this is where we live so that's no excuse not to do better.)

[OLJWales]

I mean 99.99% of people are dealing with a shittier quality of life than they need to because we are propping up the wants of 0.01% over the needs of the many. So yea, most everyone is a victim of society (not exclusive to capitalism / the US, but this is where we live so that's no excuse not to do better.)

Does quoting and promoting Karl Marx make you smart?

[Leroy Jenkins]

I mean 99.99% of people are dealing with a shittier quality of life than they need to because we are propping up the wants of 0.01% over the needs of the many. So yea, most everyone is a victim of society (not exclusive to capitalism / the US, but this is where we live so that's no excuse not to do better.)

If you make 30K a year you are in the top 1% worldwide. Its not too late to step up your contributions and right the wrongs of your privilege.

[HancockCountyDog]

Just wait a year or two and see what happens in College Station when people start not getting paid what they were promised.

[TUSK]

If you make 30K a year you are in the top 1% worldwide. Its not too late to step up your contributions and right the wrongs of your privilege.

Oh, snap...

[Tater]

If you make 30K a year you are in the top 1% worldwide. Its not too late to step up your contributions and right the wrongs of your privilege.

You say this like it's some grand retort but it's a hollow statement that means nothing.

My gripe is that we have a tiered system of inequality. That any progress towards equalizing is met with severe hostility.

Your retort is to... checks notes... point out more inequality? Do you understand how that's a terrible "gotcha" and just serves to make you sound completely stupid and out of your depth?

I'm one person. I give charity where I can. I help volunteer what I can. I try to actually emulate that guy they teach about in that holy book.

You come off as a Pharisee trying to describe the futility of the grand scheme of helping. That one man can't make a difference. If you can't even recognize that then there is no further discussion to be had here. Ball is in your court. You willing to just hold the book in your hand or are you actually going to open it and interpret what it's saying?

[Extendedcab]

The can of worms opens wider.

https://brobible.com/sports/article/florida-state-jarvis-brownlee-nil-hold-out/?fbclid=IwAR2OJZShZoNkYQ3NXhSKsQORPIa4PjbNHTFu6qpv CB1ge1rkkUgZ-wczZVg

Oh Gosh, I have no idea why I find this humorous!! A scholarship is not enough! What a sad state of affairs for College sports!!

[Extendedcab]

I believe that tuition is becoming a racket designed to crunch the working class into school loans and long-term becoming indentured servants who can't ever afford to own anything.

So yea... of course I'm for students either getting more money or someone regulating the tuition price gouging back down.

Maybe they need to major in something other than underwater basketweaving! :( I do agree though that tuition is way too high!