Seems to be some smoke around us considering Jackie Sherrill basketball version

[Coach34]

in Sean Miller. Glad to see us kicking the tires on someone that is a winner. It's the wild west in college now. Sign him up.

[Commercecomet24]

There's no reason not to go after someone like Miller. The NCAA is toothless and with NIL deals they don't even matter anymore. Let's get a coach who can win.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And it?s time. We have to play the game to be successful and Sean knows how to play it. Also, Bruce Pearl, Will Wade, and Sean Miller in the same conference will make the SEC a recruiting hotbed

[BeardoMSU]

There's no reason not to go after someone like Miller. The NCAA is toothless and with NIL deals they don't even matter anymore. Let's get a coach who can win.

This.

[KOdawg1]

Go get him. Screw the NCAA. They're a dying organization anyway.

If you want to win, you gotta do what it takes. A move like this would be doing what it takes.

[Saltydog]

Go get him. Screw the NCAA. They're a dying organization anyway.

If you want to win, you gotta do what it takes. A move like this would be doing what it takes.

Cohen has the balls. Question is, will Keenum let him do it?

[RougeDawg]

Just so long as he doesn?t steal money from a Cancer hospital, sign him up.

[gtowndawg]

100% for it. Go get Miller and make State great again!

[AROB44]

100% for it. Go get Miller and make State great again!

Again?

[Extendedcab]

100% for it. Go get Miller and make State great again!

Just hope the FBI won't follow him to MSU?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just hope the FBI won't follow him to MSU?

Their unofficial field offices in Baton Rouge and Auburn have not seemed to bother Wade or Pearl. So maybe we should just risk that.

[ScoobaDawg]

Bring em on down. That would show we are truly committed to the sport.

[OLJWales]

Their unofficial field offices in Baton Rouge and Auburn have not seemed to bother Wade or Pearl. So maybe we should just risk that.

LMAO and Rep.

[Activated Alpha]

I mean what would honestly be the cons to not hiring him if he wants to come here?

[msugolf]

I mean what would honestly be the cons to not hiring him if he wants to come here?

That he's basically a carbon copy of Ben Howland at UCLA. Runs a very similar offense, plays man to man defense 99 percent of the time, recruited inside top 10 every year, frustrated Arizona fans with his slow it down, feed the post offense with very little movement. It became clear his teams needed better talent than everyone else cause he wasn't going to out scheme them.

Oh yeah, Howland at UCLA was 6-5 against Miller.

If fast paced, shooting 3s, up tempo, press defense is what you're looking for then he's not your guy

[Extendedcab]

I mean what would honestly be the cons to not hiring him if he wants to come here?

Bad press, possible NCAA investigations and/or penalties, loss of TV revenue, assuming they will be an entity in the future, and possible FBI investigations - fines/jail time like the assistant coach at Arizona received.

My question is, is it worth it?

[PGHBulldogBG]

That he's basically a carbon copy of Ben Howland at UCLA. Runs a very similar offense, plays man to man defense 99 percent of the time, recruited inside top 10 every year, frustrated Arizona fans with his slow it down, feed the post offense with very little movement. It became clear his teams needed better talent than everyone else cause he wasn't going to out scheme them.

Oh yeah, Howland at UCLA was 6-5 against Miller.

If fast paced, shooting 3s, up tempo, press defense is what you're looking for then he's not your guy

I?m glad I?m not the only one that thinks this wouldn?t be that great of a hire. It would just be Howland all over again with a lot of negative press. I want us to get someone with a more modern offense and a solid mid major coach that has showed consistent success for several years at that school. No more retread coaches.

[DownwardDawg]

Again?

1996

[Extendedcab]

1996

It was a good year!

https://c.tenor.com/4nEHALIHsNkAAAAM/crying-what.gif

[Coach34]

Dont forget 1995's Sweet 16. Took NC UCLA to put that team away

[Quaoarsking]

I'm fine with hiring Miller, but it's a very similar hire to Howland in many ways.

[Coach34]

I?m glad I?m not the only one that thinks this wouldn?t be that great of a hire. It would just be Howland all over again with a lot of negative press. I want us to get someone with a more modern offense and a solid mid major coach that has showed consistent success for several years at that school. No more retread coaches.

We're not very likely going to get a hot mid-major coach unless we make them an offer they cant refuse. And we are unlikely to do that. Which would force us to the asst coach route or someone currently out of coaching.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bad press, possible NCAA investigations and/or penalties, loss of TV revenue, assuming they will be an entity in the future, and possible FBI investigations - fines/jail time like the assistant coach at Arizona received.

My question is, is it worth it?

Yes. Ask LSU and Auburn. It?s worth it. And for the folks saying he slows it down he still was avg. high 70s in pts. We?re on pace to be in the mid 60s. Also I probably would slow it down too so that I could feed the ball to Lauri Markkanen or DeAndre Ayton

[Lord McBuckethead]

Hire him now. Let him finish the season.

[BeardoMSU]

I'm fine with hiring Miller, but it's a very similar hire to Howland in many ways.

How so?

[Quaoarsking]

How so?

A former coach who had a lot of success at a Pac-12 school with lot more tradition than us and more resources, whose last few years there weren't as good as the early years, but still good by our standards

Also run similar offensive and defensive styles, from what people say

[OLJWales]

Bad press, possible NCAA investigations and/or penalties, loss of TV revenue, assuming they will be an entity in the future, and possible FBI investigations - fines/jail time like the assistant coach at Arizona received.

My question is, is it worth it?

Evah Damn Dime.

[Extendedcab]

Evah Damn Dime.

LOL, got love it!!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Another part of this, if we go a different direction than Miller then that is who OM will hire. They are ready to pull the plug on Kermit and Carter is not scared to swing for the fences.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Another part of this, if we go a different direction than Miller then that is who OM will hire. They are ready to pull the plug on Kermit and Carter is not scared to swing for the fences.

I expect Kermit gets another year.

[Turfdawg67]

Their unofficial field offices in Baton Rouge and Auburn have not seemed to bother Wade or Pearl. So maybe we should just risk that.

Nah, they'll use us as an example. We'll be the exception to the status quo.

[BeardoMSU]

Nah, they'll use us as an example. We'll be the exception to the status quo.

As long as the damage is contained to basketball, I'm willing to take the risk, lol. I mean, Stans was able to bypass the NCAA (mostly) unscathed, and that was before NIL. Don't know if Miller is THE GUY, but we gotta play the game.

[Turfdawg67]

As long as the damage is contained to basketball, I'm willing to take the risk, lol. I mean, Stans was able to bypass the NCAA (mostly) unscathed, and that was before NIL. Don't know if Miller is THE GUY, but we gotta play the game.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I am too! But we'll probably pay the price. That's okay, 1-2 years of making a serious run in the tourney would be worth it. MBGA!!!

[Turfdawg67]

That he's basically a carbon copy of Ben Howland at UCLA. Runs a very similar offense, plays man to man defense 99 percent of the time, recruited inside top 10 every year, frustrated Arizona fans with his slow it down, feed the post offense with very little movement. It became clear his teams needed better talent than everyone else cause he wasn't going to out scheme them.

That's BH's offense in theory, but don't we normally slow it down and take an ill-advised 3-pointer most of the time?

Guess we'll know if he takes the job. He could look at it like his last hurrah and go all in (with effort, I mean :rolleyes:). Or he could pull a Howland and bilk us for $20MM while we squalor in mediocrity.

[maroonmania]

Bracket gonna be mad!

[Extendedcab]

What gets me about some of these posts is it seems alright to some to hire a coach with a highly checkered past for the sake of having a couple of good or great years before we get hammered by the NCAA or FBI or some other entity. I don't know it seems strange to me.

Why not have a lot term strategy in hiring a more reputable but capable coach? Don't ask me who, you guys have a better understanding of available coaches, their style of play and their past history.

[MoreCowbell]

What was it he did that was supposedly so bad? What is this baggage I keep hearing of?

[RocketDawg]

Is Miller unemployed now?

[MoreCowbell]

I want a young hungry coach, not a retread. I want a guy who can win with inferior players. I want shooting. I want up-tempo. I want Man 2 Man defense AND zone concepts. I want a real basketball coach.

[BeardoMSU]

What was it he did that was supposedly so bad? What is this baggage I keep hearing of?

He helped Argentina infiltrate a democratic election of a powerful sovereign state.***

I kid, I kid! ;)

[Commercecomet24]

Is Miller unemployed now?

Yeah he was fired last April from Arizona

[Turfdawg67]

What was it he did that was supposedly so bad? What is this baggage I keep hearing of?

Knowledge of booster payments to players... dumb for getting caught, I guess.

[Todd4State]

As a very casual basketball fan I'd like to see us hire someone that has an up tempo style and is able to play a variety of defenses- whether that's press, man to man or zone. And recruit at a high level.

Much like MSU football I'm not sure a conventional approach to the game is in our favor.

So if we hire Miller and he runs the same thing as Howland then meh.

[Coach34]

I want a young hungry coach, not a retread. I want a guy who can win with inferior players. I want shooting. I want up-tempo. I want Man 2 Man defense AND zone concepts. I want a real basketball coach.

Who is that guy willing to take the 12th best job in the SEC? One who is smalltime and very few contacts with Nike and Adidas? Small market guy with no ties to your main AAU circuit?

[R2Dawg]

I don't know who the guy needs to be but if a retread produces like Pearl or Rick Barnes or a few others, get him.

If you need a new up and comer who can get the talent - Nate Oates then go get him.

MSU basketball used to compete for SEC titles nearly every year. Now we compete for the cellar team. Got to do something.

[CaptainObvious]

I don't know who the guy needs to be but if a retread produces like Pearl or Rick Barnes or a few others, get him.

If you need a new up and comer who can get the talent - Nate Oates then go get him.

MSU basketball used to compete for SEC titles nearly every year. Now we compete for the cellar team. Got to do something.

Dang it. I was just about to point out that Pearl and Barnes turned out to be pretty good retreads.. they can coach AND recruit. Whoever heard of such a thing.

[SailingDawg]

Again?

We?re you around in the 90s and 2000s?

[Saltydog]

Again?
We were a pretty doggone good program! From 00-01 thru 09-10 we went to post season play 9 of 10 years! From 02-03 thru 08-09 we went to the NCAA tourney 6 of 8 years! We didn't set the woods on fire once we got there but you have to get their first!

[confucius say]

If we are the 12th best job in our own league, we should prob keep Howland. He has us in the tournament or on the bubble almost every year. Postseason every year after his first two years. What other 12th best job in a P5 conference can say that?

[Coach34]

If we are the 12th best job in our own league, we should prob keep Howland. He has us in the tournament or on the bubble almost every year. Postseason every year after his first two years. What other 12th best job in a P5 conference can say that?

Other than Mississippi or Georgia- who is our program better than?

SC made the FF a few years ago
Missouri has had a solid program. Maybe we are ahead of them
A&M has had some success recently. Maybe we can claim superiority.

We are maybeeeee 10th??????

[MoreCowbell]

Who is that guy willing to take the 12th best job in the SEC? One who is smalltime and very few contacts with Nike and Adidas? Small market guy with no ties to your main AAU circuit?

I am sure there is some lower level D1 coach out there who wants our job. You got Furman coach, North Texas coach. We need to find our basketball Lemonis.

[MoreCowbell]

I am fine with Miller but from what others have stated he runs a similar offense and defense to Howland. I can not sit through anymore of that shit.

[thf24]

I am sure there is some lower level D1 coach out there who wants our job. You got Furman coach, North Texas coach. We need to find our basketball Lemonis.

We aren't nearly the kind of basketball job that the legit rising stars are holding out for like we are in baseball. We're a whole lot more likely to land a Rick Ray than we are a Chris Lemonis going that route.

[Todd4State]

We aren't nearly the kind of basketball job that the legit rising stars are holding out for like we are in baseball. We're a whole lot more likely to land a Rick Ray than we are a Chris Lemonis going that route.

I agree with you but we should be able to do better than Rick Ray. His resume' coming in was a complete WTF? Clemson basketball? LOL.

[confucius say]

Other than Mississippi or Georgia- who is our program better than?

SC made the FF a few years ago
Missouri has had a solid program. Maybe we are ahead of them
A&M has had some success recently. Maybe we can claim superiority.

We are maybeeeee 10th??????

I'm not really disagreeing. I'm just saying howland has us NIT or NCAA every year after his first 2 seasons rebuilding from Ray. That's pretty good for the 12th best job in a P5 conference. Certainly better than our history.

[OLJWales]

I'm not really disagreeing. I'm just saying howland has us NIT or NCAA every year after his first 2 seasons rebuilding from Ray. That's pretty good for the 12th best job in a P5 conference. Certainly better than our history.

During Stans I remember being bettern UT, LSU, AL & AU ETC.... I refuse to believe we don't have the tools to make the changes they made. We "Married Up" with Howland but The Thrill is Gone so now we gotta find another Hottie to say I Do. Aint no reason we can't. That Ex AZ Cat is purring loud in my ear. His Resume is Awesome sprinkled with Gold Olympic Gear as a player, assistant and HC.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

How would any state fan not be thrilled if we hired Sean Miller? Silliness. It would be a grand slam hire.

[OLJWales]

How would any state fan not be thrilled if we hired Sean Miller? Silliness. It would be a grand slam hire.

Yep. And who cares what "Style" he coaches when you kick this much AS$?:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/sean-miller-1.html

[StarkVegasSteve]

So for the folks that do not want Miller for whatever reason you might have let?s do a quick run through of other possible candidates I have seen mentioned the most:

1. Pitino- would be on the level of Miller. An established P5 guy. This would be a home run hire.
2. McMahon- not coming. He will get the Louisville job.
3. Medved- Will never coach west of the Rockies.
4. Bob Richey- You may could get him but he had opportunities last offseason and did not leave Furman.
5. Grant McCasland- I think he would probably take it and is probably the most realistic non home run hire. However, he plays like Howland. Defense and half court offense. I actually put him a little above Richey in my mind because he comes from the Scott Drew coaching tree.


Like others have said we are probably the 12th or 13th best job in the conference at this point. Outside of Vandy and probably Missouri we have the worst arena in the conference. Our fan base is nonexistent. You have to be realistic about things. If we were Ole Miss(nice new arena) or even South Carolina(big arena, fan base shows up for the most part) I would feel better about who we could draw. It just is not like football where coaches just follow the money.

[confucius say]

How would any state fan not be thrilled if we hired Sean Miller? Silliness. It would be a grand slam hire.

His resume is less than howlands at the time we hired him.

I think what would make the difference is energizing the fan base, engaging the students and fan base so that fans show up and create a frenzied environment with students courtside in a newly renovated arena. Miller can do that. And I think that will help us win more than Miller replacing Howland from an X and O standpoint or a recruiting standpoint.

[Saltydog]

So for the folks that do not want Miller for whatever reason you might have let?s do a quick run through of other possible candidates I have seen mentioned the most:

1. Pitino- would be on the level of Miller. An established P5 guy. This would be a home run hire.
2. McMahon- not coming. He will get the Louisville job.
3. Medved- Will never coach west of the Rockies.
4. Bob Richey- You may could get him but he had opportunities last offseason and did not leave Furman.
5. Grant McCasland- I think he would probably take it and is probably the most realistic non home run hire. However, he plays like Howland. Defense and half court offense. I actually put him a little above Richey in my mind because he comes from the Scott Drew coaching tree.


Like others have said we are probably the 12th or 13th best job in the conference at this point. Outside of Vandy and probably Missouri we have the worst arena in the conference. Our fan base is nonexistent. You have to be realistic about things. If we were Ole Miss(nice new arena) or even South Carolina(big arena, fan base shows up for the most part) I would feel better about who we could draw. It just is not like football where coaches just follow the money.

Go ahead and scratch Pitino. More dirt came out on him in a book yesterday.

[OLJWales]

Go ahead and scratch Pitino. More dirt came out on him in a book yesterday.

Outside of child porn I'd be fine with Pitino. At least he didn't say all the hookers were for him only.

[Kylesandi338]

Who cares what system the next coach runs!! Its all about the Wins and Losses.... I could care less how many buckets we make, as long as we make one more than our opponent.. People will complain about anything these days....

[StarkVegasSteve]

Go ahead and scratch Pitino. More dirt came out on him in a book yesterday.

He literally did less than what Wade or Pearl are accused of doing. Non story. If he wants the job hire him on the spot.

[JOHNHEVESYMADE]

Lets say Sean Miller doesn't work out during vetting process... Why wouldn't we consider bringing back the coach who led us to the best decade of basketball in school history? We've been to the NCAA Tourney 11 times in school history. He took us to 6 of those. We have played in the NIT 10 times in school history. He took us to 5 of those. We have played in the semifinals or finals of the SEC tourney 7 of his 14 years. We haven't played on a Saturday in the SEC tourney since he left. I could go on and on, but I leave with this question: if you are sitting in the HBC office at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, etc. who is the one guy you absolutely don't want to see in Maroon and White right now? The answer to that questions carries more weight than anything I have seen posted on here lately.

[BeardoMSU]

Lets say Sean Miller doesn't work out during vetting process... Why wouldn't we consider bringing back the coach who led us to the best decade of basketball in school history? We've been to the NCAA Tourney 11 times in school history. He took us to 6 of those. We have played in the NIT 10 times in school history. He took us to 5 of those. We have played in the semifinals or finals of the SEC tourney 7 of his 14 years. We haven't played on a Saturday in the SEC tourney since he left. I could go on and on, but I leave with this question: if you are sitting in the HBC office at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, etc. who is the one guy you absolutely don't want to see in Maroon and White right now? The answer to that questions carries more weight than anything I have seen posted on here lately.

Not saying the results would be the same, but we've done literally this exact same thing in the past...
https://hailstate.com/images/2020/5/13/POLK_dugout.jpg

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Lets say Sean Miller doesn't work out during vetting process... Why wouldn't we consider bringing back the coach who led us to the best decade of basketball in school history? We've been to the NCAA Tourney 11 times in school history. He took us to 6 of those. We have played in the NIT 10 times in school history. He took us to 5 of those. We have played in the semifinals or finals of the SEC tourney 7 of his 14 years. We haven't played on a Saturday in the SEC tourney since he left. I could go on and on, but I leave with this question: if you are sitting in the HBC office at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, etc. who is the one guy you absolutely don't want to see in Maroon and White right now? The answer to that questions carries more weight than anything I have seen posted on here lately.

Hell no… respectfully

[R2Dawg]

Other than Mississippi or Georgia- who is our program better than?

SC made the FF a few years ago
Missouri has had a solid program. Maybe we are ahead of them
A&M has had some success recently. Maybe we can claim superiority.

We are maybeeeee 10th??????

SC, UGA, Vandy, Mizzou all are no better than we are right now. Look at what the put on the floor right now compared to us? They no better and maybe worse.

[PGHBulldogBG]

If we want to take the next step in college basketball we need to hire a coach not a recruiter. I don?t want a coach that underachieved at blue bloods. We have experienced recruiters and it only takes us so far like Howland and Stansbury. Williams on the other hand was a coach and he got us a sweet 16 and final 4 appearance. Neither recruiter has done that. Frank Martin is a horrible recruiter, but he has basically the same SEC record as Howland if not better over the past 5 years minus the COVID year where Martin was sick most of the season. That?s because Martin gets the most out of his players. It is way more frustrating to me to see a coach waste talent than a coach that gets nothing but makes them something. Martin has a final 4 appearance at his school and that is the difference between Howland and Stansbury vs Martin and Richard Williams. Sean Miller will be another Stansbury or Howland. If our fan base is ok with that we should just keep Howland. Of course the goal is to find a Bruce Pearl who is great at both but that?s hard to find. We need a young energetic mid major coach like Oats or Musselman to ever give us a chance to get back to a final 4 because no matter how good or a recruiter a coach is we won?t be able to get Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona Kansas Duke or UNC talent

[BrunswickDawg]

Lets say Sean Miller doesn't work out during vetting process... Why wouldn't we consider bringing back the coach who led us to the best decade of basketball in school history? We've been to the NCAA Tourney 11 times in school history. He took us to 6 of those. We have played in the NIT 10 times in school history. He took us to 5 of those. We have played in the semifinals or finals of the SEC tourney 7 of his 14 years. We haven't played on a Saturday in the SEC tourney since he left. I could go on and on, but I leave with this question: if you are sitting in the HBC office at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, etc. who is the one guy you absolutely don't want to see in Maroon and White right now? The answer to that questions carries more weight than anything I have seen posted on here lately.

So, you want to hire a guy who since he left has been to Zero NCAA tournaments, won Zero Conference Titles, and Zero Conference Tourneys - all at a G5 Power that has 29 Conference Titles, 19 Tourney Titles, 23 NCAA Appearances - and is historically a better program than ours? No thanks.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Our fans will call Cohen an idiot and then suggest hiring Stansbury and Novak as our two basketball coaches.

[BeardoMSU]

Our fans will call Cohen an idiot and then suggest hiring Stansbury and Novak as our two basketball coaches.

Yep, lol.

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[StarkVegasSteve]

Lets say Sean Miller doesn't work out during vetting process... Why wouldn't we consider bringing back the coach who led us to the best decade of basketball in school history? We've been to the NCAA Tourney 11 times in school history. He took us to 6 of those. We have played in the NIT 10 times in school history. He took us to 5 of those. We have played in the semifinals or finals of the SEC tourney 7 of his 14 years. We haven't played on a Saturday in the SEC tourney since he left. I could go on and on, but I leave with this question: if you are sitting in the HBC office at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, etc. who is the one guy you absolutely don't want to see in Maroon and White right now? The answer to that questions carries more weight than anything I have seen posted on here lately.

The one guy they don?t want to see is probably Sean Miller or Pitino. The guy they most definitely would love to see is Slick Rick.

[SteelCurtain74]

I'm not opposed to Miller but would like Jerome Tang, associate head coach at Baylor, to get a look.

[JOHNHEVESYMADE]

If we want to take the next step in college basketball we need to hire a coach not a recruiter. I don?t want a coach that underachieved at blue bloods. We have experienced recruiters and it only takes us so far like Howland and Stansbury. Williams on the other hand was a coach and he got us a sweet 16 and final 4 appearance. Neither recruiter has done that. Frank Martin is a horrible recruiter, but he has basically the same SEC record as Howland if not better over the past 5 years minus the COVID year where Martin was sick most of the season. That?s because Martin gets the most out of his players. It is way more frustrating to me to see a coach waste talent than a coach that gets nothing but makes them something. Martin has a final 4 appearance at his school and that is the difference between Howland and Stansbury vs Martin and Richard Williams. Sean Miller will be another Stansbury or Howland. If our fan base is ok with that we should just keep Howland. Of course the goal is to find a Bruce Pearl who is great at both but that?s hard to find. We need a young energetic mid major coach like Oats or Musselman to ever give us a chance to get back to a final 4 because no matter how good or a recruiter a coach is we won?t be able to get Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona Kansas Duke or UNC talent

Get back to the Final 4? Are you serious? We have been to one NCAA tourney in 9+ seasons since Stansbury left, and you're talking like we should be a Final 4 contender... Give me a break. Let me remind you that Stansbury built the roster that got RW to the Sweet 16 and Final 4 in '95 and '96. If you think we get there without Stansbury, you are out of your mind. Richard Williams would tell you the same thing. I am old enough to remember what it was like March knowing that we were in the hunt. Ask Calipari about the '08 game in Little Rock or the 2010-2012 head to heads against him. If Rodney Hood doesn't go down in the first half of the '12 game, we win that one against Cal's NC team. One of our biggest problems is that we are not very realistic when it comes to hoops.

[JOHNHEVESYMADE]

The one guy they don?t want to see is probably Sean Miller or Pitino. The guy they most definitely would love to see is Slick Rick.

Let's be realistic... we likely we aren't getting Sean Miller or Rick Pitino... Do you think Bruce Pearl wants us to hire Rick Stansbury or Bob Richey/Richie Riley??

[PGHBulldogBG]

Get back to the Final 4? Are you serious? We have been to one NCAA tourney in 9+ seasons since Stansbury left, and you're talking like we should be a Final 4 contender... Give me a break. Let me remind you that Stansbury built the roster that got RW to the Sweet 16 and Final 4 in '95 and '96. If you think we get there without Stansbury, you are out of your mind. Richard Williams would tell you the same thing. I am old enough to remember what it was like March knowing that we were in the hunt. Ask Calipari about the '08 game in Little Rock or the 2010-2012 head to heads against him. If Rodney Hood doesn't go down in the first half of the '12 game, we win that one against Cal's NC team. One of our biggest problems is that we are not very realistic when it comes to hoops.

I think your missing the point. By no means do I expect a coach to come in here and take us to final 4s. I?m just saying that the last good floor coach we had was Richard Williams and he took us to a sweet 16 and a final 4. None of the other recruiters after him did that. Just because you get a ton of talent at a blue blood doesn?t make you a great floor coach. While we might be able to get good talent hiring Miller, it would most likely be Howland all over again. Miller couldn?t even get Arizona to a final 4 yet Frank Martin, Porter Mosier, etc did that with 2 star players. Look at Otzelberger at Iowa State, Musselman at Arkansas, Oats at Bama, Steve Forbes at Wake Forest. These are coaches that completely turned programs around and all have their teams in much better position than Howland for the tournament. The goal for Miss State should be to hire a good floor coach that can coach well enough to give us a chance and hope. If Miller couldn?t get it done at a blue blood like Arizona and get them to sniff a title, it?s not going to happen here

[thf24]

I agree with you but we should be able to do better than Rick Ray. His resume' coming in was a complete WTF? Clemson basketball? LOL.

Agreed, I should have said on the spectrum of Rick Ray to Chris Lemonis we're most likely to land closer in basketball to the former. The Rick Ray hire itself has to be among the most dubious major conference hires in modern history.

[Coach34]

We're not going to re-hire a coach we fired.

[OLJWales]

Once Owned Now we are their Bitches.

[MoreCowbell]

I am game/down for Miller. Just want an exciting product and an NCAA tourney run every other year. If he can achieve that then do it.

Does make me wonder though if he was such a badass coach at top jobs, why can we land him?

[Coach34]

Does make me wonder though if he was such a badass coach at top jobs, why can we land him?

baggage- thus the Jackie reference