LSU Game Thread

[R2Dawg]

DJ kills out team, 3 TO already.

[R2Dawg]

Wow, LSU goes scoreless for 6 minutes and then scores 7 in 2 minutes to tie game.

[KOdawg1]

DJ is a terrible basketball player. Might be a good athlete, but he has a low basketball IQ.

[R2Dawg]

LSU ain't that good but we look like we couldn't beat LSU women tonight.

[Saltydog]

What a horrible lineup we have on the floor right now. Moore, Matthews, Davis, Garcia and Watts. You couldn't compete in a mid major with that lineup.

[R2Dawg]

DJ is a terrible basketball player. Might be a good athlete, but he has a low basketball IQ.

So weird because we win the NIT last year if DJ ain't playin for Memphis, we get him and ... - so MSU.

[R2Dawg]

What a horrible lineup we have on the floor right now. Moore, Matthews, Davis, Garcia and Watts. You couldn't compete in a mid major with that lineup.

Yeah and that is the lineup we put in while in the middle of a scoring slump??

[PGHBulldogBG]

We might beat Missouri because they are really bad but that would put us 7-11. No idea how we even potentially beat anyone else with this type of play

[CaptainObvious]

What a horrible lineup we have on the floor right now. Moore, Matthews, Davis, Garcia and Watts. You couldn't compete in a mid major with that lineup.

I was just thinking that this lineup looks like a Rick Ray lineup. And they play like it too.

So, is Howland going out like Joe Moorhead, sticking his finger up to State fans?

[KOdawg1]

Other than Howland being a dinosaur pretending to be a basketball coach, this is why we're not a good team.

-We don't have anyone who can shoot their way out of a wet paper sack
-We have one "scorer" and when teams take him away, we have nothing.
-Our 4 thinks he's a 1
-Our 5 has been hurt all year
-Our backup 5 is a bull in a China shop
-Our guards are bipolar as hell
-DJ Jeffries is a bust

[R2Dawg]

Boy we just don't play smart

[R2Dawg]

Dang, we are on pace for 28 TOs

[R2Dawg]

Other than Howland being a dinosaur pretending to be a basketball coach, this is why we're not a good team.

-We don't have anyone who can shoot their way out of a wet paper sack
-We have one "scorer" and when teams take him away, we have nothing.
-Our 4 thinks he's a 1
-Our 5 has been hurt all year
-Our backup 5 is a bull in a China shop
-Our guards are bipolar as hell
-DJ Jeffries is a bust

Good points. Our 3 thinks he's a 1 as well.

[R2Dawg]

Molinar got fouled bad

[Saltydog]

If you're going to be a slow, half court offense you'd better damn sure have good ball movement and we don't have it. It just makes the slow look that much slower. It's really pathetic.

[LC Dawg]

LSU isn't playing very well. Lucky for them we're playing like we're learning a new sport.

[R2Dawg]

LSU isn't playing very well. Lucky for them we're playing like we're learning a new sport.

LSU is an ave team at best. If we can't get a road win here, Howland needs to go now. Maybe there is a Novak on staff ready to do something?

[Saltydog]

We might beat Missouri because they are really bad but that would put us 7-11. No idea how we even potentially beat anyone else with this type of play

I'm not counting us beating them at their place. I have that little confidence in this team.

[CaptainObvious]

Other than Howland being a dinosaur pretending to be a basketball coach, this is why we're not a good team.

-We don't have anyone who can shoot their way out of a wet paper sack
-We have one "scorer" and when teams take him away, we have nothing.
-Our 4 thinks he's a 1
-Our 5 has been hurt all year
-Our backup 5 is a bull in a China shop
-Our guards are bipolar as hell
-DJ Jeffries is a bust

Uh? don?t leave out 1 out of this. When he gets the ball in a throw in he dribbles up the right sideline every time, creating an extra defender. That is why we need a true point guard who gets the ball up quickly to the middle of the floor. We labor to get it across the time line in 9 seconds, get to a wing who then gets it back to the point to take 14 more seconds to set up the offense.

[CaptainObvious]

Uh screw it. We just need a coach who recruits better ?basketball? players.

[R2Dawg]

How can this team be this bad?

[KOdawg1]

Uh? don?t leave out 1 out of this. When he gets the ball in a throw in he dribbles up the right sideline every time, creating an extra defender. That is why we need a true point guard who gets the ball up quickly to the middle of the floor. We labor to get it across the time line in 9 seconds, get to a wing who then gets it back to the point to take 14 more seconds to set up the offense.

He's got his faults, but he's the only "consistent" player we have.

I agree that he's playing out of position and should be a 2.

[Commercecomet24]

Is there a worse offensive team in the country?

[PGHBulldogBG]

I'm not counting us beating them at their place. I have that little confidence in this team.

If we can?t beat that team twice I really have no words. They only have like 8 wins all year

[Saltydog]

Is there a worse offensive team in the country?

There's damn sure not one that is coached worse.

[R2Dawg]

Nice move by Fountain, finally someone showing some energy.

[KOdawg1]

We need to play Fountain, Garcia, and Carter more.

[R2Dawg]

This is embarrassing.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Can we fire Howland tonight?

[R2Dawg]

We have the worst coaching in SEC and maybe any power 5

[R2Dawg]

Rick Ray with this talent and we might be in tourney. That is how bad our coaching is.

[Commercecomet24]

There's damn sure not one that is coached worse.

Really hard to watch. I've seen upward teams score more lol

[Commercecomet24]

Heck we would score more if we just shot 3s as soon as we got to half court.

[RougeDawg]

Looks like the team is looking forward to baseball season like everyone here.

[Saltydog]

Can we fire Howland tonight?

Have you consulted Msstate7 on this? He's been noticeably quiet. Somebody better check on him.

[R2Dawg]

We are a disaster. Players arguing with each other. No energy. Everyone just not engaged.

[NCDawg]

Rick Ray with this talent and we might be in tourney. That is how bad our coaching is.

Our coaching may not be too good, but I'm wondering about the talent we have on this team. Outside of Molinar, I don't see a lot of really good talent.

[parabrave]

Just tuned in. I see Mol is playing by himself/

[StarkVegasSteve]

I am done with this team until Howland is gone. I could give a crap if he retires, resigns, or is fired but it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

[CaptainObvious]

He really has lost this team. Most AD?s would relieve him of his duties after this game. But of course, State will come out on fire in the second half and make it a 10-12 point loss and get praised for a Quad 1 loss on the road, that they could have won without the turnovers. But the turnovers are who this team is. They have to out score and out defend their turnovers because that has to be the identity this late in the season.

[KOdawg1]

The bright side to this is we're one step closer to getting another coach. Our tournament chances are all but dead.

I think Howland "retires" and we can move on.

The downside to that is I don't trust Cohen to hire a water boy, much less a basketball coach.

[R2Dawg]

Our coaching may not be too good, but I'm wondering about the talent we have on this team. Outside of Molinar, I don't see a lot of really good talent.

The talent is there. This team has folded. That UK loss was the dagger.

[R2Dawg]

The bright side to this is we're one step closer to getting another coach. Our tournament chances are all but dead.

I think Howland "retires" and we can move on.

The downside to that is I don't trust Cohen to hire a water boy, much less a basketball coach.

Yeah this is always a tough position. I want us to win but a new direction is needed. Agree don't trust Cohen on hire for anything but maybe baseball.

[Dawsonmsu]

10 years of ugly ugly basketball. So ready for this clown show to be done.

[Saltydog]

Our coaching may not be too good, but I'm wondering about the talent we have on this team. Outside of Molinar, I don't see a lot of really good talent.

We lack a shooter. That's one huge piece of the puzzle missing for this team. If we had one, I could easily see 3-4 more wins for this team. However, there's some "star" power there if you're a recruitnik. There's 4 star players there in Jeffries, Molinar, Brooks and Watts. I don't see talent as a problem. I see an antiquated offense that lacks creativity and a team that lacks energy. Both are reflective of the coach.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

10 years of ugly ugly basketball. So ready for this clown show to be done.
Does anyone actually believe Cohen will make a great hire?

[Saltydog]

Does anyone actually believe Cohen will make a great hire?

I don't think anyone believes that but I think we all agree that Howland is done. It's time. The old gray mare just ain't what she used to be.

[EdwardDrayton]

Intellectually we?ve had concerns for quite some time but we?ve hung in there with hope, optimism and ever present Maroon & White loyalty.

But now it?s time for change. There will always be gratitude for everything Ben and John have done, but we need to move on.

[NCDawg]

We lack a shooter. That's one huge piece of the puzzle missing for this team. If we had one, I could easily see 3-4 more wins for this team. However, there's some "star" power there if you're a recruitnik. There's 4 star players there in Jeffries, Molinar, Brooks and Watts. I don't see talent as a problem. I see an antiquated offense that lacks creativity and a team that lacks energy. Both are reflective of the coach.

I think Molinar is good-the others you mentioned, I don't know.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

LOL back to back air balls on one possession.

[Saltydog]

LOL back to back air balls on one possession.

AND that's damn hard to do.....Even in HS, that's pretty rare.......

[parabrave]

Hey we started playing defense.

[PGHBulldogBG]

7% from 3?

[R2Dawg]

We came out with some energy in 2nd. Don't know why we can't play a while game with the depth we got.

[parabrave]

Hey Howland made an adjustment. Let carter handle thje ball and let Mol shoot.

[parabrave]

And only 1 TO this half makes a big diff also.

[KOdawg1]

This is gonna hurt like a mother******

[R2Dawg]

We can't stand prosperity. Can't hit a FT to take the lead.

[LC Dawg]

Dammit! I hate it when they give me hope.
Gotta go inside because we can't shoot.

[LC Dawg]

Missed both free throws for the lead. It's the little things that causes us to lose games.

[R2Dawg]

Missed both free throws for the lead. It's the little things that causes us to lose games.

We do it every game. We can't win a close game. Not won an away game all year.

[Quaoarsking]

Every game we find yourself in this situation we just can't take the lead. We can score to close the gap and get cold once we are in striking distance. It's like a mental block for the whole team.

[R2Dawg]

Boy refs protect Pinson. Can't get near him or foul.

[R2Dawg]

Yeah we gonna lose another close one.

[LC Dawg]

Quit turning the ****ing ball over!

[R2Dawg]

Here goes the melt down just like every other game. After we missed 4 FT in a row.

[R2Dawg]

Tolu is good.

[LC Dawg]

Pretty much following our normal script. Get back in the game in the 2nd half and watch the opponent slowly pull away to a double digit win.

[RougeDawg]

I?ve never seen so many balls hit out hands and then get fumbled between our legs. Not even Baby Hands Ado has as weak of hands at this group.

[BeardoMSU]

We are so sloppy and low skilled, I'm just at a loss. We obviously have talent, but holy **** do they play like retards.

It also doesn't help our offensive "sets" literally make it HARDER for us to score every possession...not to mention how hard it is to watch, lol. FFS.

[Saltydog]

Molinar is a great player but he drives from the wing to the end line and forces it a ton.

[Commercecomet24]

Pretty much following our normal script. Get back in the game in the 2nd half and watch the opponent slowly pull away to a double digit win.

Same story every game. Start slow get behind. Get close second half and then fall apart the last 4-6 minutes. Just like clockwork

[Quaoarsking]

I told my wife at halftime that we would come back and tie (didn't predict we'd actually take the lead), but then we would suck in the last 5 minutes and lose by 10 or more. Let's see if they can prove me wrong.

[parabrave]

Well crap

[BeardoMSU]

14-2 run after we take the lead, lol.

[Saltydog]

Same story every game. Start slow get behind. Get close second half and then fall apart the last 4-6 minutes. Just like clockwork

This team lacks mental toughness.......

[Commercecomet24]

You can set your watch by this team. Every games a replay lol

[R2Dawg]

Good to score with clock stopped but we got to hit FT

[BeardoMSU]

I told my wife at halftime that we would come back and tie (didn't predict we'd actually take the lead), but then we would suck in the last 5 minutes and lose by 10 or more. Let's see if they can prove me wrong.

So it's your fault?!?!**

[Commercecomet24]

This team lacks mental toughness.......

Yep. Among other things.

[BeardoMSU]

Yep. Among other things.

We could do a reboot version of Wizard of Oz, with instead of characters missing their brains, hearts, and courage, it's....actually....probably the same thing, just without the flying monkeys.**

[EdwardDrayton]

The only upside tonight is all my hope finally had been exhausted the last couple of games and thus simply watching this game as a disinterested spectator.

[R2Dawg]

And our best player misses a layup point blank.

[Commercecomet24]

We could do a reboot version of Wizard of Oz, with instead of characters missing their brains, hearts, and courage, it's....actually....probably the same thing, just without the flying monkeys.**

Awesome!

[R2Dawg]

The only upside tonight is all my hope finally had been exhausted the last couple of games and thus simply watching this game as a disinterested spectator.

Wish I didn't care. This team has teased us all year long. I keep thinking we can't suck like this all year, I guess we can.

[Commercecomet24]

I swear this basketball team is our version of groundhogs day. I've never seen any team play each game exactly the same way(and I don't mean that in a good way). That's not what I want when I say consistency

[LC Dawg]

Do we practice with a different size ball than what is being used tonight because we don't seem familiar with it based on the amount of times we have fumbled it.

[R2Dawg]

That was not interference.

[R2Dawg]

And once again screwed by officials.

[R2Dawg]

What have we done to get this treatment from the SEC?

[EdwardDrayton]

Wish I didn't care. This team has teased us all year long. I keep thinking we can't suck like this all year, I guess we can.

Can?t recall another State team in all my years that has exhausted everything in me like this one has. This team is an enigma beyond comprehension.

[R2Dawg]

And the other team always hits the big 3 every time in every game at the end.

[LC Dawg]

Doesn't matter but sure isn't fun getting ****ed by the refs.

[CarolinaDawgs]

This is actually incredible that every game is the same. It is hilariously painful.

[Saltydog]

And once again screwed by officials.

Agreed on the call but it wouldn't matter. We weren't winning this game anyway. We gave it a run but any MSU fan who didn't think we'd blow the lead is simply lying.

[KOdawg1]

The refs suck, but it doesn't matter. We took the lead and completely folded like we always do. Same story, different verse.

[R2Dawg]

Can?t recall another State team in all my years that has exhausted everything in me like this one has. This team is an enigma beyond comprehension.

Agree. I can't think of one either.

I think the other thing is the sum of years underperforming just piles up as well. We got to do something different.

Move the students, hire an up and coming coach. Bring back MSU basketball.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Is it bad I actually had more faith in Rick Ray winning a game like this than Howland? Even though Ray wasn?t a good coach and recruited Sun Belt talent his players did the best they could given the situation they were put in. Ware, Chicken and Thomas always gave it their all. Nothing is more frustrating to me than a coach with talent that underachieves so bad.

[R2Dawg]

Agreed on the call but it wouldn't matter. We weren't winning this game anyway. We gave it run but any MSU fan who didn't think we'd blow the lead is simply lying.

Probably not but you can't get that call so wrong on a clear replay and they even called it good initially. The evidence showed it was clearly outside the cylinder.

We should demand an answer back from the SEC on that.

[CarolinaDawgs]

They didn?t take the bucket away because it was above the cylinder. They took it away because they said the foul occurred prior to him shooting the ball.

[LC Dawg]

Howland needs to save that video to show how to beat pressure.

[R2Dawg]

I'm not sure we can even make NIT. Will NIT take a team with a losing record because that is where we are headed.

[Saltydog]

Dammit! I hate it when they give me hope.
Gotta go inside because we can't shoot.

When we do Tolu misses free throws so there's that......I think he was 1-6 tonight.......

[Commercecomet24]

The refs suck, but it doesn't matter. We took the lead and completely folded like we always do. Same story, different verse.

This.

[Saltydog]

Biggest douche in the SEC (Pearl). Biggest punk (Wade)........

[KOdawg1]

Ben Howland is 14-10 and has lost 6 of his last 8 games.

All he had to do was be average down this stretch, and we're probably going dancing. Can't wait for this shit show to be over.

[parabrave]

Why did BJ kill out momentum when we gained the lead by taking Carter out? Having him handle the ball and putting Mol at the 2 was working then he took him out until 1 min to go.

[RougeDawg]

Ben Howland is 14-10 and has lost 6 of his last 8 games.

All he had to do was be average down this stretch, and we're probably going dancing. Can't wait for this shit show to be over.

The way we play makes me wonder if we practice against air.

[parabrave]

Agree. I can't think of one either.

I think the other thing is the sum of years underperforming just piles up as well. We got to do something different.

Move the students, hire an up and coming coach. Bring back MSU basketball.

Apparently you weren't here in the 70's and 80's.

[R2Dawg]

Apparently you weren't here in the 70's and 80's.

Yes I followed in 80s not 70s. We were never that good in 80s. Had Jeff Malone several years and Wells and few others. You have to remember too the NCAAT was like 48 teams back then too so harder to get in.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I didn't watch, but I can guess how this went.
One particular player had a bunch of turnovers. When they guarded us for the full court our offense stalled. For no reason at all, we had a large portion of the game where it seemed like out players absolutely refused to score.
We lost.

Did I nail it?

[Activated Alpha]

I didn't watch, but I can guess how this went.
One particular player had a bunch of turnovers. When they guarded us for the full court our offense stalled. For no reason at all, we had a large portion of the game where it seemed like out players absolutely refused to score.
We lost.

Did I nail it?

I didn't watch it just like I haven't watched a single game all season but continue to read the game page. This seems just about accurate as all the rest....

[maroonmania]

I didn't watch it just like I haven't watched a single game all season but continue to read the game page. This seems just about accurate as all the rest....

I didn't watch. I did watch the last 5 minutes of the TN game and deeply regretted it. I feel sorry for any MSU fan putting any real emotional investment in MSU men's basketball at this point. I really like Ben Howland as a person, but its time we go in a different direction with our program.

[parabrave]

I didn't watch, but I can guess how this went.
One particular player had a bunch of turnovers. When they guarded us for the full court our offense stalled. For no reason at all, we had a large portion of the game where it seemed like out players absolutely refused to score.
We lost.

Did I nail it?

You missed the part where they had Mol as the 2 and he scored 10 in 4 mins then made him the 1 again and he went south/

[parabrave]

I didn't watch. I did watch the last 5 minutes of the TN game and deeply regretted it. I feel sorry for any MSU fan putting any real emotional investment in MSU men's basketball at this point. I really like Ben Howland as a person, but its time we go in a different direction with our program.

Has 7 had a welfare check yet?

[Reunion Dog]

You actually think Garcia is an SEC player? 🐂 💩. He plays HORRIBLE defense just like everyone else in the team. But he is pathetic. Small and slow. Typical for State basketball now.

I would start 4.1,20,5 and 35. We know they aren?t gonna get coached so just let ?em run.

[Ranchdawg]

Another thing that really angers me about Howland is the officials can make bad call after bad call and he not go off on the officiating. He will just stand there with his mouth open. Officials know this and don?t worry about making horrible calls because they know they don?t have to worry about a coach showing them up.

Furthermore the officials also know our AD will not say or do anything publicly to the SEC office (see MSU vs Memphis in football). Also we get bad calls against us because we are non-blue blood of basketball.

Cohen it?s time you earn your paycheck. Go hire a coach that has just a little blood flowing and a little fire in the belly. Hire coach that is current with the game. Hire a coach that can make a ?a strong ass offer? to recruits. Hire a coach that will promote the program to the fan base (see Bruce Pearl)

[StarkVegasSteve]

Another thing that really angers me about Howland is the officials can make bad call after bad call and he not go off on the officiating. He will just stand there with his mouth open. Officials know this and don?t worry about making horrible calls because they know they don?t have to worry about a coach showing them up.

Furthermore the officials also know our AD will not say or do anything publicly to the SEC office (see MSU vs Memphis in football). Also we get bad calls against us because we are non-blue blood of basketball.

Cohen it?s time you earn your paycheck. Go hire a coach that has just a little blood flowing and a little fire in the belly. Hire coach that is current with the game. Hire a coach that can make a ?a strong ass offer? to recruits. Hire a coach that will promote the program to the fan base (see Bruce Pearl)

You just described Sean Miller and he would be the perfect hire. So we know Cohen will fail to even interview him.

[maroonmania]

Furthermore the officials also know our AD will not say or do anything publicly to the SEC office (see MSU vs Memphis in football). Also we get bad calls against us because we are non-blue blood of basketball.

Cohen it?s time you earn your paycheck. Go hire a coach that has just a little blood flowing and a little fire in the belly. Hire coach that is current with the game. Hire a coach that can make a ?a strong ass offer? to recruits. Hire a coach that will promote the program to the fan base (see Bruce Pearl)

Yea, not sure how you go from being the Intense Bastard to a seemingly total pacifist? Looks like he has made the transformation though.

[OLJWales]

Howland & Cohen be like


https://www.google.com/search?q=thank+you+sir+may+i+have+another&oq=thank+you+sir+may&aqs=chrome.0.0i512j69i57j0i512l7.15510j0j4&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:64f3adbb,vid:bIZoVO8ZyyQ,st:0

[R2Dawg]

Yea, not sure how you go from being the Intense Bastard to a seemingly total pacifist? Looks like he has made the transformation though.

That is ironic isn't it. I know a few that played for Cohen and couldn't stand him.