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PikeDawg15
02-02-2022, 09:51 AM
Looks like we will finish outside the top 25 again?

SilentSteel16
02-02-2022, 09:57 AM
Just saw where TAM has eleven (11)signed of the ESPN top 50 HS recruits. That is insane !!! Good for them. Ha

PikeDawg15
02-02-2022, 10:01 AM
Well, they might go 9-3 with that talent instead of 8-4!!!! Jimbo going crazy!!!

SilentSteel16
02-02-2022, 10:01 AM
5 of the top 25 with one heavy lean still undecided in top 25.

HoopsDawg
02-02-2022, 10:06 AM
Just saw where TAM has eleven (11)signed of the ESPN top 50 HS recruits. That is insane !!! Good for them. Ha

nothing to see here. I'm sure the NIL had no impact.

Hot Rock
02-02-2022, 10:08 AM
We don't expect any new recruits today.

I was thinking that Ajay Allen who is committed to TCU might come but I here it's not likely. He gets almost immediate playing time at TCU and we have 3 - 4 star guys ahead of him here. Thing is, he would be a nice fit here and could have one or two great years at State and get to the league with less wear and tear than he will get at TCU.

It still could be a good decision for him to come here.

PikeDawg15
02-02-2022, 10:21 AM
https://247sports.com/player/ajay-allen-46118313/
He just committed to Nebraska minutes ago

Bothrops
02-02-2022, 10:28 AM
Looks like we will finish outside the top 25 again?

Rivals has us at #15 above Arkansas, Auburn and Ole Miss. ESPN has not spent any time on us.

Hot Rock
02-02-2022, 10:47 AM
I am not as concerned about our position on signing day as I am about the overall team talent that hits the field on Saturdays.

I do think it will be improving this year.

Last year we were at 30 for college team talent with a lot of the guys on the field being 1 or 2 year guys. This next year the team will be older and hopefully better. The schedule will be tougher picking up GA from the east.

They will miss Cross but that's on Leach to get that offense clicking. The reason he was brought here was to have an offense that works even without 5 star guys.

SilentSteel16
02-02-2022, 10:58 AM
nothing to see here. I'm sure the NIL had no impact.

NIL or not that is a pull and they are signed not just committed. I am sure 1 or 2 of them will transfer but the results are there NIL or not. You either get them to sign or not.

HoopsDawg
02-02-2022, 11:01 AM
NIL or not that is a pull and they are signed not just committed. I am sure 1 or 2 of them will transfer but the results are there NIL or not. You either get them to sign or not.

No, it's very impressive. I'm just taking a shot at the people who didn't think NIL would have a significant mpact.

SilentSteel16
02-02-2022, 11:41 AM
No, it's very impressive. I'm just taking a shot at the people who didn't think NIL would have a significant mpact.

Here is the point, if someone believe NIL won’t make a difference in opinions of 18-21 year olds then they are just stupid OR they are trust fund babies meaning they never had to deal with not having a $100 bill in their pockets at all times.

Like I said last year repeatedly, schools in TX,TN,FL and all other states that do not have state income taxes will THRIVE in this era or “error” as I like to call it. Maybe if ole Tator can get his resolution passed then MS can join that list of tax free state income. I know they make up for it in property taxes but these kids are not buying property in these states that they are spending 2-3 years in.

Short answer, IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

RougeDawg
02-02-2022, 12:31 PM
Well, they might go 9-3 with that talent instead of 8-4!!!! Jimbo going crazy!!!

This all day. The players in Texas high schools are soft compared to SEC teams. Rinse repeat. They?ve been signing ?highly rated? classes on paper but the Texas version of high school football is why the little 12 is so soft outside of Oklahoma, historically. It is what it is. We constantly compete and out physical them year in and year out. Unless they have a Manziel type blue pill talent that can over compensate for their ED, they?ll be a annual 8-10 win team no matter who they sign. You can take this one to the bank.

BB30
02-02-2022, 12:54 PM
Yea we certainly manhandled that soft B12 Texas tech team in the bowl game.

Jack Lambert
02-02-2022, 01:16 PM
Yea we certainly manhandled that soft B12 Texas tech team in the bowl game.

There were legit reasons.

WhiskeyPirate
02-02-2022, 01:33 PM
There were legit reasons.

16 players missing off the two deep had nothing to do with it

Lol

Matt3467
02-02-2022, 01:50 PM
There were legit reasons.

Missing players hurt and I knew it would make for a tougher game but I never expected us to get embarrassed the way we did.

DownwardDawg
02-02-2022, 02:16 PM
Looks like we will finish outside the top 25 again?

Don't pay any attention at all to ESPN recruiting. It's garbage. They don't care at all.

BrunswickDawg
02-02-2022, 02:16 PM
Rivals has us at #15 above Arkansas, Auburn and Ole Miss. ESPN has not spent any time on us.

That's an interesting point. It's our best ranking on Rivals since 2003. 247 non-composite has us at 23. So ESPN having us low has a huge impact on perception

Hot Rock
02-02-2022, 02:59 PM
Good point, ESPN rankings suck and yet 247 still uses them for their composite.

In 247 own ranking, they have State at 23rd. https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/TeamRankings/

But even that is not enough since that ranking does not include the transfer portal. Recruiting rankings from year to year have to be used as one component of team talent. Your rankings, Portal, overall team talent and age of players on the field all play a role.

DeltaSwamp
02-02-2022, 03:08 PM
EXACTly! just silly at this point how unfair nil is

Leeshouldveflanked
02-02-2022, 05:21 PM
Missing players hurt and I knew it would make for a tougher game but I never expected us to get embarrassed the way we did.
Obviously you haven?t followed Leach?s career. Getting embarrassed in Egg Bowls and Bowl Games will be the norm.

WhiskeyPirate
02-02-2022, 07:43 PM
Obviously you haven?t followed Leach?s career. Getting embarrassed in Egg Bowls and Bowl Games will be the norm.

I guess so will 11-2 seasons

Bothrops
02-02-2022, 09:23 PM
If you go look at our espn class it's been simplified. All our 4* guys received an 80 grade, no 300 guys and Trevion Williams is rated lower than Dakota Jordan at 78 grade. Its like they blackballed us.

msstate7
02-02-2022, 09:24 PM
Does 247 have a ranking for sec teams that consists of transfers and signees?

Catfish
02-02-2022, 09:27 PM
If you go look at our espn class it's been simplified. All our 4* guys received an 80 grade, no 300 guys and Trevion Williams is rated lower than Dakota Jordan at 78 grade. Its like they blackballed us.

I'm sure Herbstreit had a hand in that.

Commercecomet24
02-02-2022, 09:27 PM
ESPN should give up ranking recruits they've been the worst forever and I don't know of anyone that even looks to them for recruiting rankings.

Dak Holliday
02-02-2022, 11:58 PM
Was it ESPN that got catfished and ranked a made up recruit 4 stars after being told Bama offered him?

Commercecomet24
02-03-2022, 12:00 AM
Was it ESPN that got catfished and ranked a made up recruit 4 stars after being told Bama offered him?

I believe that's correct.

Dak Holliday
02-03-2022, 12:04 AM
I believe that's correct.

Ok, so it was Rivals and when Rivals ranked him 3 stars, 247 added him to the composite.

https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2019/02/14/fake-recruit-gets-ranked-rivals-247sports-change-composite-policy

Dak Holliday
02-03-2022, 12:06 AM
I keep seeing a service called On3. Is it part of the composite?

Commercecomet24
02-03-2022, 12:07 AM
Ok, so it was Rivals and when Rivals ranked him 3 stars, 247 added him to the composite.

https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2019/02/14/fake-recruit-gets-ranked-rivals-247sports-change-composite-policy

It's pretty dang funny actually.

Leeshouldveflanked
02-03-2022, 05:41 AM
I guess so will 11-2 seasons

Leach has won 11 games twice in 21 seasons. He loses rivalry games and bowl games at a much higher frequency.

Johnson85
02-03-2022, 08:59 AM
Obviously you haven?t followed Leach?s career. Getting embarrassed in Egg Bowls and Bowl Games will be the norm.

This is so stupid. It's like criticizing Vandy coaches for having a losing record against UT. Since coaching at the first place he is on equal footing with a rival, he's 0-2. We looked like shit against UM Leach's first year because we were kind of a shitty team. This year, we looked like shit against La Tech, Memphis, LSU, half of auburn, Ole Miss. We showed some flashes of being pretty good, but we were still pretty inconsistent throughout the year. You can criticize him for not having us better in our first two years, but it's not like we were clicking on all cylinders for the second half the season and just sucked in the egg bowl because rivalry.

Underperforming in bowl games might be a real thing. Having more practices to devote to the air raid before a bowl game may make defenses much more effective. But so far Leach is 8-9 in bowls, which doesn't seem terrible. Hard to know whether that's underachieving or not without going back and looking at matchups and score, which I'm not quite interested enough to do.

WhiskeyPirate
02-03-2022, 09:44 AM
Leach has won 11 games twice in 21 seasons. He loses rivalry games and bowl games at a much higher frequency.

You sound like an unbiased source

Dak Holliday
02-03-2022, 10:36 AM
It's pretty dang funny actually.

I thought so, too. Kinda goes to show, though, how trying to rank all athletes is a monumental task and nowhere near as accurate as portrayed. There will always be hidden gems.

Commercecomet24
02-03-2022, 02:37 PM
I thought so, too. Kinda goes to show, though, how trying to rank all athletes is a monumental task and nowhere near as accurate as portrayed. There will always be hidden gems.

You got that right.

maroonmania
02-03-2022, 08:29 PM
I guess so will 11-2 seasons


Leach has won 11 games twice in 21 seasons. He loses rivalry games and bowl games at a much higher frequency.

Sounds great to me given State has never won 11 games in a season EVER.

Dak Holliday
02-04-2022, 08:42 AM
So, this class is pretty much in the barn, huh? When do they add the portal value to our class?