Did we just offer a legit dual threat QB?

[Cowbell]

Kamron Sandlin - 4.6 40 - 6'4" - 220 lbs

If so, what is going on LOL. There may be hope for this offense after all....

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He's not being recruited by MSU as a QB

[CadaverDawg]

He's not being recruited by MSU as a QB

Well shit. Couldn't you let us all dream for at least a day before popping that bubble.

[Cowbell]

He's not being recruited by MSU as a QB

Dangit IYOK, you're pissing in my cheerios this morning... oh man what a dual threat QB could do in this offense.

[WhiskeyPirate]

At this point I’ll just take some “minimal mobility”.

[Cowbell]

Well shit. Couldn't you let us all dream for at least a day before popping that bubble.

Just the idea of recruiting a dual threat would tell me that our offense is looking to add some variation

[DesotoDog1967]

Gardner Minshew is listed as a duel threat on Rivals

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2015/gardner-minshew-25830

Was he an exception to Leach's rule?

[HancockCountyDog]

Just the idea of recruiting a dual threat would tell me that our offense is looking to add some variation

Some of y'all will have to let the dream of a running QB go. That is not what CML runs. It is what it is. To be fair, we have our QB for at least the next two years.

[Cowbell]

Some of y'all will have to let the dream of a running QB go. That is not what CML runs. It is what it is. To be fair, we have our QB for at least the next two years.

It's not the thought of a dual threat quarterback. It's the hope for some innovation. Which is absolutely what we need to go to the next level

[thf24]

Gardner Minshew is listed as a duel threat on Rivals

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2015/gardner-minshew-25830

Was he an exception to Leach's rule?

Beating a dead horse here on multiple counts, but,

1) The designation of "dual threat" by recruiting sites has always been broad and nebulous. Their criteria can be as little as having enough mobility to escape the pocket depending on where, when, and by whom the prospect was first rated. If I remember right, one of the sites called Tyler Russell a dual threat. On top of that, Rivals barely rates higher than ESPN in terms of credibility at this point.

2) I guarantee you Leach has no rule against recruiting athletic, mobile QB's. But a player who's both a complete enough passer for Leach's bare minimum requirements and a good enough athlete to run the ball more than sparingly at the power 5 level is almost certainly one of the top 1-2 QB's and top 5-10 players period in that year's class, and Leach has never coached anywhere that can get in the game for that kind of prospect.

[confucius say]

The kid we just offered from Texas is mobile. Had almost 700 yards rushing this past year.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Beating a dead horse here on multiple counts, but,

1) The designation of "dual threat" by recruiting sites has always been broad and nebulous. Their criteria can be as little as having enough mobility to escape the pocket depending on where, when, and by whom the prospect was first rated. If I remember right, one of the sites called Tyler Russell a dual threat. On top of that, Rivals barely rates higher than ESPN in terms of credibility at this point.

2) I guarantee you Leach has no rule against recruiting athletic, mobile QB's. But a player who's both a complete enough passer for Leach's bare minimum requirements and a good enough athlete to run the ball more than sparingly at the power 5 level is almost certainly one of the top 1-2 QB's and top 5-10 players period in that year's class, and Leach has never coached anywhere that can get in the game for that kind of prospect.
Good post


I think innovation right now is limited by q b arm strength ie) stretching the field and mobility at the position. Right now we are good at short passes but personnel limits what we are doing.

We don’t need Michael Vick but if you ever watched Minshew play he could throw the ball over the field and deep when necessary. He’s about a 4.7 guy but damn near impossible to sack because he head quick feet and can feel the pass rush.

Sawyer and Locke will give you more of that when they are ready.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Gardner Minshew is listed as a duel threat on Rivals

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2015/gardner-minshew-25830

Was he an exception to Leach's rule?

Minshew isn't really anymore athletic than Will. Minshew just was willing to take off more. I don't think Will's issue is mobility. I think Will has to improve on his pocket awareness & pocket manipulation. Also his anticipation needs to improve some. As he gets older & more comfortable you would hope/expect that to improve.

[OLJWales]

Beating a dead horse here on multiple counts, but,

1) The designation of "dual threat" by recruiting sites has always been broad and nebulous. Their criteria can be as little as having enough mobility to escape the pocket depending on where, when, and by whom the prospect was first rated. If I remember right, one of the sites called Tyler Russell a dual threat. On top of that, Rivals barely rates higher than ESPN in terms of credibility at this point.

2) I guarantee you Leach has no rule against recruiting athletic, mobile QB's. But a player who's both a complete enough passer for Leach's bare minimum requirements and a good enough athlete to run the ball more than sparingly at the power 5 level is almost certainly one of the top 1-2 QB's and top 5-10 players period in that year's class, and Leach has never coached anywhere that can get in the game for that kind of prospect.

Good post. Leach gonna go get the best passer for his system and if he's got wheels too then that will be a bonus but not a prerequisite.

[Cowbell]

Minshew isn't really anymore athletic than Will. Minshew just was willing to take off more. I don't think Will's issue is mobility. I think Will has to improve on his pocket awareness & pocket manipulation. Also his anticipation needs to improve some. As he gets older & more comfortable you would hope/expect that to improve.

Could not agree more

[PMDawg]

Minshew isn't really anymore athletic than Will. Minshew just was willing to take off more. I don't think Will's issue is mobility. I think Will has to improve on his pocket awareness & pocket manipulation. Also his anticipation needs to improve some. As he gets older & more comfortable you would hope/expect that to improve.

Exactly. And at some point, I hope he stops sliding 10 yards prior to contact (joking - it's only 5 yards).

[WhiskeyPirate]

Minshew isn't really anymore athletic than Will. Minshew just was willing to take off more. I don't think Will's issue is mobility. I think Will has to improve on his pocket awareness & pocket manipulation. Also his anticipation needs to improve some. As he gets older & more comfortable you would hope/expect that to improve.

Lol

Go through Minshew scouting combine numbers and then tell me which one of those will can get within a mile of. This is not to mention throwing the ball downfield more than 40 yards in the air.

I’m guessing you’ve never seen Minshew play in college or the nfl.

Name a P5 q b will is more athletic than......just one

[Catfish]

I don't think it's fair to compare Will and Minshew. Minshew was a senior when Leach had him and Will was really a freshman. I've no doubt Will will have a much better pocket sense when he is a senior. Heck, he will be much more aware of his surroundings next year.

[WhiskeyPirate]

X

[WhiskeyPirate]

I don't think it's fair to compare Will and Minshew. Minshew was a senior when Leach had him and Will was really a freshman. I've no doubt Will will have a much better pocket sense when he is a senior. Heck, he will be much more aware of his surroundings next year.

They are very different players in that Minshew was 6-1 225 and physically strong, and Minshew ranked in the top five of all q bs in the vertical jump and broad jump at the nfl combine. Minshew was a matador at avoiding sacks, quick feet tough to sack. Minshew does not have a cannon but has an adequate arm to play in the nfl and can make all of the throws.

There are some good things Will does such as leadership, accuracy, and progressing through his reads. He and Minshew are not in the same ballpark as athletes.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Lol

Go through Minshew scouting combine numbers and then tell me which one of those will can get within a mile of. This is not to mention throwing the ball downfield more than 40 yards in the air.

I’m guessing you’ve never seen Minshew play in college or the nfl.

Name a P5 q b will is more athletic than......just one

Minshew is a 5 flat 40 guy. Will won't be much different.

Aiden O'Connell - Purdue
Spencer Petras - Iowa

That's 2 that I know for sure.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Will can run a five flat forty ?

Don’t think so

Now do arm strength

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lol

Go through Minshew scouting combine numbers and then tell me which one of those will can get within a mile of. This is not to mention throwing the ball downfield more than 40 yards in the air.

I?m guessing you?ve never seen Minshew play in college or the nfl.

Name a P5 q b will is more athletic than......just one

Have seen both, a lot more than you could imagine and there is not much difference. Weak arm Will is a myth. Will is much much much further ahead than Minshew was at this point in their careers.

I love Gardner. He is a thicker than Will but that is about it. Its ok to say both are good players. Leach seem to think a lot of both of them

[WhiskeyPirate]

Where do all these posts go when he breaks so the game records I have often wondered that

Not sure what you are asking here

[BuckyIsAB****]

Not sure what you are asking here

His arm is really strong when he throws for 350 and 3 TDs but when he is missing 3 OL suddenly he is noodle arm again

[BuckyIsAB****]

Will can run a five flat forty ?

Don’t think so

Now do arm strength

Dude. He was faster than that in HS. Chill. You dont know as much as you think you do on this one

[WhiskeyPirate]

No I’m sorry will can not outrun Minshew, this is ridiculous.

I’ve never called Will noodle arm, but he struggles to throw the ball more than 35-40 yards in the air.

Will is very slow footed and lacks arm strength. That’s a fact.

Nothing personal here, will has done a good job. He does some things very well such as go through his progressions, he’s accurate most of the time and he’s got leadership,skills. There’s a ceiling there however where his physical limitations making winning more than 8 games very difficult IMO. The defense can keep everything in front of them and does not have to defend the whole field. Any pass rush is deadly as will has difficulty sidestepping any pass rush whatsoever.

[calidawg]

I am really concerned about our offense next year. I did not realize how good Charles cross really was. We are losing a top 10 NFL draft pick (maybe top 5) at the most crticial OL spot in an offense that desperately needs a strong anchor at LT.

[HoopsDawg]

I am really concerned about our offense next year. I did not realize how good Charles cross really was. We are losing a top 10 NFL draft pick (maybe top 5) at the most crticial OL spot in an offense that desperately needs a strong anchor at LT.

could be really ugly next year on offense. D should be good. Special teams should be better. Schedule not too bad. But Cohen better get that short list ready.

[Cowbell]

I am really concerned about our offense next year. I did not realize how good Charles cross really was. We are losing a top 10 NFL draft pick (maybe top 5) at the most crticial OL spot in an offense that desperately needs a strong anchor at LT.

We've known this since before the season started.

[Reunion Dog]

If #2 is still our QB when he is a Senior?. We are 17?ed.
pure.plain & simple.

[BuckyIsAB****]

No I’m sorry will can not outrun Minshew, this is ridiculous.

I’ve never called Will noodle arm, but he struggles to throw the ball more than 35-40 yards in the air.

Will is very slow footed and lacks arm strength. That’s a fact.

Nothing personal here, will has done a good job. He does some things very well such as go through his progressions, he’s accurate most of the time and he’s got leadership,skills. There’s a ceiling there however where his physical limitations making winning more than 8 games very difficult IMO. The defense can keep everything in front of them and does not have to defend the whole field. Any pass rush is deadly as will has difficulty sidestepping any pass rush whatsoever.

Ok. Well he is faster than a 5.0 that is just fact. See how that works?

[BuckyIsAB****]

If #2 is still our QB when he is a Senior?. We are 17?ed.
pure.plain & simple.

Nah he will break records and go to bowls for at least 3 more years so you might as well get ready for the 17

[1bigdawg]

Nah he will break records and go to bowls for at least 3 more years so you might as well get ready for the 17

Will he? Everyone assumes he will not try pro ball after next year or the year after.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Will he? Everyone assumes he will not try pro ball after next year or the year after.

The nfl is not happening.

[Catfish]

The nfl is not happening.

Really shouldn't speculate as to what Will might do as far as the NFL is concerned because this will just be his sophomore season. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Let's wait and see.

[Offshore Dawg]

When it comes to discussing QB's some of you seem to have issues.

[Dak Holliday]

The QB conversation is hard to have with Wyatt sitting at the table. He?s gonna do like any of us would do if y?all were discussing yours or my kid. Just gotta remember that when he talks. If you read close enough, you can usually see the spin he?s putting on it.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The QB conversation is hard to have with Wyatt sitting at the table. He?s gonna do like any of us would do if y?all were discussing yours or my kid. Just gotta remember that when he talks. If you read close enough, you can usually see the spin he?s putting on it.

Its hard to have any conversation with you.

It doesnt matter. Yall will just continue to eat it like you have since he started. Again, come up with a new insult bc the Dad stuff just makes you look like you have nothing better to do but troll me

[Dak Holliday]

Its hard to have any conversation with you.

It doesnt matter. Yall will just continue to eat it like you have since he started. Again, come up with a new insult bc the Dad stuff just makes you look like you have nothing better to do but troll me

Why would pointing to your relationship be an insult? It?s just a glimpse into the reason for your blind dedication. I do appreciate how you word your posts, though. Words carefully selected that would be fairly true of any QB in Will?s position. Good job.

[OLJWales]

The QB conversation is hard to have with Wyatt sitting at the table. He?s gonna do like any of us would do if y?all were discussing yours or my kid. Just gotta remember that when he talks. If you read close enough, you can usually see the spin he?s putting on it.

You really think Wyatt is little more than a Sunshine Pumper?

[Dak Holliday]

You really think Wyatt is little more than a Sunshine Pumper?

Not Matt Wyatt. Wyatt is his first name.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Why would pointing to your relationship be an insult? It?s just a glimpse into the reason for your blind dedication. I do appreciate how you word your posts, though. Words carefully selected that would be fairly true of any QB in Will?s position. Good job.

Bc for one you are flat out lying saying im his dad, two you either dont want to admit you have been wrong about Will out of spite or you maybe just enjoy trolling

[Commercecomet24]

Minshew isn't really anymore athletic than Will. Minshew just was willing to take off more. I don't think Will's issue is mobility. I think Will has to improve on his pocket awareness & pocket manipulation. Also his anticipation needs to improve some. As he gets older & more comfortable you would hope/expect that to improve.

Y'all need to listen to this man. He knows way more than quite a few of us on here. His name pretty much says it all. There's a few folks to really pay attention to when they post and IYOK is one of them.

[Dak Holliday]

Bc for one you are flat out lying saying im his dad, two you either dont want to admit you have been wrong about Will out of spite or you maybe just enjoy trolling

What have I said that was wrong about Will that I haven?t owned? Remember, that was only 1 thing.
You speak in generalities about ___________, the QB for Mike Leach. I just like to point out how those things could be true of just about anyone taking the snaps, not just Will. Am I wrong? If so, make the case. I?m willing to be swayed.

[BuckyIsAB****]

What have I said that was wrong about Will that I haven?t owned? Remember, that was only 1 thing.
You speak in generalities about ___________, the QB for Mike Leach. I just like to point out how those things could be true of just about anyone taking the snaps, not just Will. Am I wrong? If so, make the case. I?m willing to be swayed.

I speak about facts. Which you have not brought much of to any conversation. Emojis and calling me Wills dad doesnt count.

[BuckyIsAB****]

If anyone could take the snaps then why didnt Abraham win the job? Why didnt Robertson beat him out? Why do the coaches, OL, WRs all stand with him?

Not just anyone can do what he has done, I am by no means saying he is perfect he has misses and he takes too many sacks at times. But he is still going to be the best passer we have ever had. We have had some much more talented QBs get beaten like a drum at auburn and at Texas A&M while being asked to do much much less in the passing game

[WhiskeyPirate]

Y'all need to listen to this man. He knows way more than quite a few of us on here. His name pretty much says it all. There's a few folks to really pay attention to when they post and IYOK is one of them.

IYOK is really knowledgeable about All things MSU football, spot on.

However Minshew finished in the top five of all q b s at the nfl combine in vertical jump and broad jump. Watch any jags or eagles clips on YouTube, he can run for first down in the nfl and easily dodge defensive end or blitzing linebackers. Does anyone here honestly see Will doing that ? Will really struggles to run forward for three or four yards. They are not comparable as athletes. Minshew is not above average athletically for an nfl q b. He is adequate.

Will is physically limited with foot speed quickness, arm strength and physical strength. He can and should gain strength but I the other aspects are probably about as good as they are going to get.

Locke and Robertson have higher ceilings. I would imagine one of them will end up taking over at some point. This is not a knock on Will, he has done a commendable job especially for a freshman thrown in the mix because Costello didn’t pan out and there were no other veteran q bs on the roster.

Every q b Leach has ever had put up video game numbers, hardly any of them made it in the nfl, Minshew being one and Harrell barely stuck around in the nfl. Robertson and Locke are two of the more talented , polished q bs Leach has ever signed.

[Dak Holliday]

I speak about facts. Which you have not brought much of to any conversation. Emojis and calling me Wills dad doesnt count.

The fact is that Leach has never pulled top end QB talent and has put up huge numbers with a high efficiency, short yardage passing game that chews up the field from 20 to 20. QB is basically a nameless position on Leach?s team as it doesn?t make a ton of difference who he puts back there for the most part. Those are facts.

[Pancho]

And that's the way it is as long as Leach is the HC. Now please change the topic enough of Dak's pissin contest. Please defer all questions to IYOK from this time forward.

[Dak Holliday]

If anyone could take the snaps then why didnt Abraham win the job? Why didnt Robertson beat him out? Why do the coaches, OL, WRs all stand with him?

Not just anyone can do what he has done, I am by no means saying he is perfect he has misses and he takes too many sacks at times. But he is still going to be the best passer we have ever had. We have had some much more talented QBs get beaten like a drum at auburn and at Texas A&M while being asked to do much much less in the passing game

1.Name the QBs more talented than Will that were beaten like a drum at Auburn and TAMU.
TAMU and AU weren?t very good this year.
2. Yes, anyone that starts as a freshman, gets 4 or 5 extra Covid games, plays all 4 yrs, and throws the ball 50 times a game will definitely beat out every passer in the history of a run first program.
3. Many thought Abraham looked better than Will in spring, then he got concussed for the 200th time.
4. Who knows what Robertson?s deal is. Most talented QB we?ve ever signed and he isn?t even 2nd string.

[Dak Holliday]

And that's the way it is as long as Leach is the HC. Now please change the topic enough of Dak's pissin contest. Please defer all questions to IYOK from this time forward.

Sorry that a discussion about our QB on a MSU sports forum is a pissing contest. Reality is what it is, but not always appreciated by many. Like Carlin once said- Everyone appreciates honesty.. until your honest with them.. then you?re an asshole.

[FISHDAWG]

1.Name the QBs more talented than Will that were beaten like a drum at Auburn and TAMU.
TAMU and AU weren?t very good this year.
2. Yes, anyone that starts as a freshman, gets 4 or 5 extra Covid games, plays all 4 yrs, and throws the ball 50 times a game will definitely beat out every passer in the history of a run first program.
3. Many thought Abraham looked better than Will in spring, then he got concussed for the 200th time.
4. Who knows what Robertson?s deal is. Most talented QB we?ve ever signed and he isn?t even 2nd string.

How do you know Robertson is the most talented we've ever signed ? Will is doing a pretty good job for us and it sounds like you are knocking the hell out of him and yes it does matter who we put back there at QB and THAT's a fact .... Nameless Position at QB ??? Nobody will bring perfection to the position and I'm sure Leach would prefer Will Rogers in his offense over Chris Relf .... You're usually a pretty good poster Dak but this sounds like arguing just for arguing's sake ... unless I'm somehow just misunderstanding your point

[Cooterpoot]

Why does everything turn into a Will bashing? He might not be an NFL guy, but most college QBs aren't. Hell, it took AL years to find NFL QBs. They've only had a couple worth a shit in the league. Robertson will get his chance. Leach will tell you he thinks he's going to be great. But he's not beating out Will unless Will gets hurt or Leach becomes unhappy with him. So you guys need to sit back. The 2022 season is going to determine a lot of stuff with MSU football.

[Dak Holliday]

How do you know Robertson is the most talented we've ever signed ? Will is doing a pretty good job for us and it sounds like you are knocking the hell out of him and yes it does matter who we put back there at QB and THAT's a fact .... Nameless Position at QB ??? Nobody will bring perfection to the position and I'm sure Leach would prefer Will Rogers in his offense over Chris Relf .... You're usually a pretty good poster Dak but this sounds like arguing just for arguing's sake ... unless I'm somehow just misunderstanding your point

Probably should have described Robertson as most highly recruited QB we?ve ever signed.
I think most miss my point on this as I find myself explaining it quite often. I am not saying Will sucks, in fact most of my posts say that I don?t think he does. I just don?t say that Will is special and that pisses people off to no end. In their minds, we need a special player at QB to win. This is because traditionally, that has always been the case. It?s no longer the case with the AR. Mike Leach has a long history of having a QB put up big numbers, win some and lose some he shouldn?t, and have a fairly successful/bowl type season. That?s why I say that the QB can be nameless. History shows that it?s fairly plug and play under Leach. Will will rewrite our record books, probably SEC record books, and possibly NCAA record books, but it will have more to do with time played in the AirRaid than him being extremely special. Thing is, he doesn?t have to be and it?s going to be alright. I guess that?s too much for most to grasp.

[Cooterpoot]

Probably should have described Robertson as most highly recruited QB we?ve ever signed.
I think most miss my point on this as I find myself explaining it quite often. I am not saying Will sucks, in fact most of my posts say that I don?t think he does. I just don?t say that Will is special and that pisses people off to no end. In their minds, we need a special player at QB to win. This is because traditionally, that has always been the case. It?s no longer the case with the AR. Mike Leach has a long history of having a QB put up big numbers, win some and lose some he shouldn?t, and have a fairly successful/bowl type season. That?s why I say that the QB can be nameless. History shows that it?s fairly plug and play under Leach. Will will rewrite our record books, probably SEC record books, and possibly NCAA record books, but it will have more to do with time played in the AirRaid than him being extremely special. Thing is, he doesn?t have to be and it?s going to be alright. I guess that?s too much for most to grasp.

You're reaching. Robertson played some shitty HS football. He's never remotely faced what he'd see in the SEC. it's simply a case of him still learning. You don't throw a kid to wolves for the sake of saying he was highly recruited and has good athletic ability. There's more to than that. This coming season will solve a lot of puzzles IMO.

[Pancho]

Dak evidently should be coaching the team as well as the director of recruiting. Leach will win 6 or 7 next regular season and 8 if he is wildly lucky regardless of who plays the QB spot. Competent special teams and dropping fewer pass that hit receivers in their hands would have given leach 9 wins this past year at the least. I feel that Leach and staff are reaching out and recruiting the players who they feel want to play at state and do the best to continue building the program back.

[FISHDAWG]

You're reaching. Robertson played some shitty HS football. He's never remotely faced what he'd see in the SEC. it's simply a case of him still learning. You don't throw a kid to wolves for the sake of saying he was highly recruited and has good athletic ability. There's more to than that. This coming season will solve a lot of puzzles IMO.

agree .... Costello who was a 5-star Senior QB wasn't exactly plug and play as we have already found out .... apparently Garrett Schrader wasn't plug and play and neither is any of the other in-experienced QB's that we currently have on roster ...... If anyone is plug and play it is Will Rogers and that was because we HAD to have someone step up and play

[Dak Holliday]

You're reaching. Robertson played some shitty HS football. He's never remotely faced what he'd see in the SEC. it's simply a case of him still learning. You don't throw a kid to wolves for the sake of saying he was highly recruited and has good athletic ability. There's more to than that. This coming season will solve a lot of puzzles IMO.

1. Outside of about 3 HS programs, none have you ready for the SEC. What a stupid thing to say.
2. How is it throwing him to the wolves to say that he?s our most highly recruited QB coming out of HS ever? Is he not? You?re talking nonsense now. I?d love to see what he can do, but many seem to think he is more about baseball. Maybe that?s true. Doesn?t change the hype around him signing with us.

[Dak Holliday]

agree .... Costello who was a 5-star Senior QB wasn't exactly plug and play as we have already found out .... apparently Garrett Schrader wasn't plug and play and neither is any of the other in-experienced QB's that we currently have on roster ...... If anyone is plug and play it is Will Rogers and that was because we HAD to have someone step up and play

Will had the advantage of playing in an AirRaid system in HS. Costello played pro style his entire career and didn?t pick it up fast enough. When his confidence left, he was done. Schrader and all true dual threat/running QBs don?t do well for Leach. It?s one reason he rarely signs them. He wants a QB to throw the ball.

[OLJWales]

The fact is that Leach has never pulled top end QB talent and has put up huge numbers with a high efficiency, short yardage passing game that chews up the field from 20 to 20. QB is basically a nameless position on Leach?s team as it doesn?t make a ton of difference who he puts back there for the most part. Those are facts.

It DOES Make a ton of difference who he puts in and a low percentage of QB's can run it as well as Will.

[DownwardDawg]

It DOES Make a ton of difference who he puts in and a low percentage of QB's can run it as well as Will.

Fact

[Catfish]

It DOES Make a ton of difference who he puts in and a low percentage of QB's can run it as well as Will.

Agreed, rep given!

[Dak Holliday]

It DOES Make a ton of difference who he puts in and a low percentage of QB's can run it as well as Will.

Will does a really good job running the AirRaid. That being said, Leach has found someone to run it at nearly the same proficiency every year he?s coached, so 🤷🏼.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The fact is that Leach has never pulled top end QB talent and has put up huge numbers with a high efficiency, short yardage passing game that chews up the field from 20 to 20. QB is basically a nameless position on Leach?s team as it doesn?t make a ton of difference who he puts back there for the most part. Those are facts.

Put Robertson or Greek in and lets find out.

Give the people what they want!!!

How many years do you have left? Dak is back baby

[Pancho]

Will had the advantage of playing in an AirRaid system in HS. Costello played pro style his entire career and didn?t pick it up fast enough. When his confidence left, he was done. Schrader and all true dual threat/running QBs don?t do well for Leach. It?s one reason he rarely signs them. He wants a QB to throw the ball.
and he will continue

[Dak Holliday]

Put Robertson or Greek in and lets find out.

Give the people what they want!!!

How many years do you have left? Dak is back baby

You can?t argue against what I said, so this is your response, huh? Look, Will will be fine. The next guy, regardless of who he is, will most likely be, too. That?s the beauty of the system.

[Pancho]

But when is Robertson going to quench his interest in playing baseball?

[thf24]

You can?t argue against what I said, so this is your response, huh? Look, Will will be fine. The next guy, regardless of who he is, will most likely be, too. That?s the beauty of the system.

You're not wrong, but isn't it kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy that any player long-recruited by a competent offensive mind because said player meets the needs of the system will be pretty good with enough experience? The same is true for pretty much any offensive guru.

[Dak Holliday]

You're not wrong, but isn't it kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy that any player long-recruited by a competent offensive mind because said player meets the needs of the system will be pretty good with enough experience? The same is true for pretty much any offensive guru.

YES!!! You are about the only person that gets it.

[OLJWales]

YES!!! You are about the only person that gets it.

What? That it doesn't really matter whose under center? Most all QB's have Will's accuracy?

[Dak Holliday]

Will is very accurate, but it?s hard to really appreciate that as he makes a lot of high percentage throws. Passes designed to be easier to complete. The AirRaid is a system. Leach looks for a certain type to run it. They?re typically do your job, don?t improvise, pass until ALL else fails. It?s why they practice the same play the same way over and over again. It?s because Will is so much more polished at this point that I can?t see him being unseated. The next guy will probably be very similar to Will. Leach was basically Will?s only 2 P5 offers, I believe I recall hearing. First at WSU, then at MSU. Will is exactly what Leach wants. There are more Wills out there than Daks. Good thing is that we don?t need a Dak with the AirRaid.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You can?t argue against what I said, so this is your response, huh? Look, Will will be fine. The next guy, regardless of who he is, will most likely be, too. That?s the beauty of the system.

I literally just argued against what you said and have been since you decided to come on here to troll. This argument doesnt matter, in the end I am winning it bc Will keeps performing well and proving you wrong.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Will had the advantage of playing in an AirRaid system in HS. Costello played pro style his entire career and didn?t pick it up fast enough. When his confidence left, he was done. Schrader and all true dual threat/running QBs don?t do well for Leach. It?s one reason he rarely signs them. He wants a QB to throw the ball.

No he didnt. Not even close to what he is doing now

[Dak Holliday]

I literally just argued against what you said and have been since you decided to come on here to troll. This argument doesnt matter, in the end I am winning it bc Will keeps performing well and proving you wrong.

Wyatt, you haven?t disproved anything. You and I agree on almost everything except that Will is an exceptional QB talent, and you can?t prove that. This is and has always been on the fact that you desperately want him to be super special, but the system he runs will allow him to be extremely successful without being overly special.

[Dak Holliday]

No he didnt. Not even close to what he is doing now

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[BuckyIsAB****]

Wyatt, you haven?t disproved anything. You and I agree on almost everything except that Will is an exceptional QB talent, and you can?t prove that. This is and has always been on the fact that you desperately want him to be super special, but the system he runs will allow him to be extremely successful without being overly special.

Naw me or his father havent but he has proven you wrong and will keep on

[OLJWales]

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[OLJWales]

Having difficulty replying to correct post. Wrong one keeps popping up.

[OLJWales]

Naw me or his father havent but he has proven you wrong and will keep on

Rep added. Good too on explaining what system Will operated in high school versus what he is doing now

[Dak Holliday]

Naw me or his father havent but he has proven you wrong and will keep on

Actually, his stat success while so many fans complain about the lack of athleticism that they see every Saturday proves my point, bud. With Leach, he and his system are the stars.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Actually, his stat success while so many fans complain about the lack of athleticism that they see every Saturday proves my point, bud. With Leach, he and his system are the stars.

You dont really have a point in my opinion.

By all the fans you mean you and some others on elitedawgs. Thats fine. Again we will keep winning and keep doing things that have never been done and you keep complaining

[BuckyIsAB****]

Rep added. Good too on explaining what system Will operated in high school versus what he is doing now

It was much closer to Moorhead his SR than it was Leach