Tolu Smith not playing tonight per Twitter?

[IMissJack]

😩

[msstate7]

Why?

[maroonmania]

Why?

Because We are MState I guess. :(

[BeardoMSU]

****ing hell.

[msstate7]

Because We are MState I guess. :(

They're without Joyner, so I think we can still win. I'm just wondering if smith is gonna be hurt all year

[cchjxn]

They're without Joyner, so I think we can still win. I'm just wondering if smith is gonna be hurt all year

Yeah, they are missing Joiner and one of their bigs (name?) who's out for the year. Cake walk win...

They only have one ball handler and he's a 5'9" freshman. Dawgs dominate tonight.

[RougeDawg]

They're without Joyner, so I think we can still win. I'm just wondering if smith is gonna be hurt all year

Serious question. Did Tolu play football in high school? Seems to be a trend of basketball players that never played football, seemingly always ?out for injuries?. Anthony Davis in the NBA comes to mind. Those who never played football think soreness is an injury. Seems to be a pattern.

[Bulldog1]

They're without Joyner, so I think we can still win. I'm just wondering if smith is gonna be hurt all year

This absence is not injury related...

[msstate7]

This absence is not injury related...

Covid or discipline?

[OLJWales]

17 Us. Shits getting old.

[Catfish]

Serious question. Did Tolu play football in high school? Seems to be a trend of basketball players that never played football, seemingly always ?out for injuries?. Anthony Davis in the NBA comes to mind. Those who never played football think soreness is an injury. Seems to be a pattern.

That pattern applies to MLB players too.

[yjnkdawg]

Covid or discipline?

The reason he is not playing is not supposed to be due to any discipline issues.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Serious question. Did Tolu play football in high school? Seems to be a trend of basketball players that never played football, seemingly always ?out for injuries?. Anthony Davis in the NBA comes to mind. Those who never played football think soreness is an injury. Seems to be a pattern.

Seems to be an issue with a lot of football players also. Today’s players are just different.

[yjnkdawg]

CBH is supposed to address the question on why Tolu is not available for the game tonight after the game.

[msstate7]

CBH is supposed to address the question on why Tolu is not available for the game tonight after the game.

It has to be be disciplinary. Nothing else makes sense

[NCMSTFAN]

Wow... If this is true big loss, especially in a rivalry. Garrison has been ok but Tolu is by far our best post player.

[Ezsoil]

I think he and Rickea are dating and I bet one or both has covid....just a hunch

[CaptainObvious]

I blame my family. If they had been Alabama Football fans when I was a kid this MSU athletics syndrome wouldn?t hurt so bad.

Oh well. We always have 2021 Baseball!!!

[Coach34]

yet Bama and Georgia remain Chinese19 free....

[chef dixon]

yet Bama and Georgia remain Chinese19 free....

That we know of

[Commercecomet24]

yet Bama and Georgia remain Chinese19 free....

And will continue to be. Just like when Saban tested positive in 2020 and then miraculously went 3 days in a row with a negative test so he was able to coach against uga. An absolute miracle lol

[Maroonthirteen]

I blame my family. If they had been Alabama Football fans when I was a kid this MSU athletics syndrome wouldn?t hurt so bad. !!

Hey... it could be worse. Half my family is from Alabama and fans.... and I still chose wrong.

[Renardo Sidney]

Announcer said not injury or discipline? must be Covid

[Maroonthirteen]

Of course the opponent is "hotter than a depot stove".

No defense

[msstate7]

Announcer said not injury or discipline? must be Covid

Why not just say it then?

[BayouDawg]

We over help so much on defense. That opposite side 3 will always be wide open. But we make up for it by being terrible at closing out.

[BayouDawg]

Death taxes and Howland laying a turd in Oxford.

[BayouDawg]

Looking better. Moore came to play

[LC Dawg]

Brooks is killing us on the offensive glass. We aren't blocking him out worth a shit.

[RougeDawg]

Is double dribble no longer illegal? Seen the KlanSharts do it 2-3 times already.

[BayouDawg]

Jeffries has gone full retard

[PMDawg]

Howland has got to go. What a joke this team is.

[OLJWales]

Klan hitting 54% 3's aint gonna last. We gotta do better on boards.

[RougeDawg]

Klan hitting 54% 3's aint gonna last. We gotta do better on boards.

Anyone see the 2-3 OM double dribbles not called? Have the refs never seen one?

[BayouDawg]

Did we not know that they were gonna press and trap? 4 straight years and we looks lost against it

[ZedFedder]

Tough to watch.

[Maroonthirteen]

Kermit Davis needs a tech. He has been the court all night. He was stomping his foot a few feet behind our shooter. One of our guys ran into him as our guy was trying to get back in defense.

Get him off the damn court.

[Saltydog]

Our perimeter D is shit! Our effort and execution is worse! Typical CBH team.

[OLJWales]

Death taxes and Howland laying a turd in Oxford.

Damn if dat ain't duh troof.

[captaindog]

Maybe we could just retain Coach Novak to coach the men?s team this coming season.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Kermit Davis needs a tech. He has been the court all night. He was stomping his foot a few feet behind our shooter. One of our guys ran into him as our guy was trying to get back in defense.

Get him off the damn court.

I wonder if Stricklin still thinks Rick Ray was a better hire

[BayouDawg]

Have a chance to build momentum against a mediocre ole miss team and squander it. The Howland special

[BayouDawg]

This team is on drugs

[CaptainObvious]

Klan hitting 54% 3's aint gonna last. We gotta do better on boards.

Ha!! You were correct. Hitting 54% didn?t last. They bumped it up to 64%!

[maroonmania]

Death taxes and Howland laying a turd in Oxford.

I think its actually death, taxes and losing the first game to OM every year in basketball no matter where we play. Last we lost in Starkville and won in Oxford but we always seem to lose the first time we play them.

[Maroonthirteen]

I wonder if Stricklin still thinks Rick Ray was a better hire

I'm sure. I'm also sure Leach and Howland have drinks at the bar and just snicker.

[CaptainObvious]

State shot 52% from the field in the 1st half and still trails by 14. No way State will keep up that torrid shooting. Forgot to Add: No Sarcasterisks needed.

[BeardoMSU]

Jesus these ****ers always get up for us. And we are always flat. FFS.

[maroonmania]

State shot 52% from the field in the 1st half and still trails by 14. No way State will keep up that torrid shooting.

The fact that we are on pace to give up 100 points to THIS OM team is enough to make me want to never watch us play another basketball game this season.

[Dawsonmsu]

Howland should resign tonight!

[OLJWales]

Anyone see the 2-3 OM double dribbles not called? Have the refs never seen one?

Refs blowing Kermit bettern Mrs Piggie. 64% 3's gotta stop.

[CaptainObvious]

Apparently IT JUST MEANS MORE?? to Them!

[bobcat91]

Tolu not playing? I could have sworn none of our guys are. This is the BS you get for thinking all you have to do is hire a guy not named Stansbury. Not that he didn't need to go, but we have been a dumpster fire since then. 1 Tourney appearance since he was fired. Just admit we don't care about basketball and be done with it.

[BeardoMSU]

Refs blowing Kermit bettern Mrs Piggie. 64% 3's gotta stop.

https://cdn5-images.motherlessmedia.com/images/D9FCDD5.gif

[PGHBulldogBG]

We really are not very good. I really thought we could go 10-8 but I think 7-10 is more realistic maybe 8-10 if we make up the Missouri game. Cohen is going to have a tough decision what to do if that happens. Now if we only win 6 conference games I think the decision will be much easier

[Dawsonmsu]

Our basketball program will never recover from the loss of Rick Stansbury.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Our basketball program will never recover from the loss of Rick Stansbury.

It?s a shame Stansbury lost control of the team the last few years and had a team full of bad apples. Had that not happened, I would assume he would still be our coach. He is the only one to blame for that though and it rightfully cost him his job

[Maroonthirteen]

It?s a shame Stansbury lost control of the team the last few years and had a team full of bad apples. Had that not happened, I would assume he would still be our coach. He is the only one to blame for that though and it rightfully cost him his job

The curse of Renardo Sydney

[chef dixon]

It was clear after the Louisville game how this season was gonna go

[maroonmania]

Tolu not playing? I could have sworn none of our guys are. This is the BS you get for thinking all you have to do is hire a guy not named Stansbury. Not that he didn't need to go, but we have been a dumpster fire since then. 1 Tourney appearance since he was fired. Just admit we don't care about basketball and be done with it.

Does Tolu mean that much to our 3 point defense. Apparently so.

[maroonmania]

It was clear after the Louisville game how this season was gonna go

I'm glad I'm only watching live stats while I have the Cowboys game on. I might physically puke if I was actually seeing it.

[OLJWales]

It?s a shame Stansbury lost control of the team the last few years and had a team full of bad apples. Had that not happened, I would assume he would still be our coach. He is the only one to blame for that though and it rightfully cost him his job

I always thought Rick finally went over the edge with an over investment getting Renardo on the court. Renardo killed Stans and single handedly set our program back IMO. Sorry sack of shit jacked on line when Stans was fired.

[Maroonthirteen]

May gosh. I feel for any State fans there. This is beyond embarrassing

[Dawsonmsu]

Down 20 points to ole miss, what a joke.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Unfortunately this is going to really drop us in the NET. This is a quad 2 game but had we kept it close and lost by a couple points it wouldn?t do much. This disaster could drop us 10 or more spots

[Saltydog]

Anyone denying that Kermit isn't a better coach is well, stupid. Howland may be a good recruiter but he's nothing else but past his prime. Time go to old man.

[Dawsonmsu]

Rick Stansbury owned Ole Miss during his tenure.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Anyone denying that Kermit isn't a better coach is well, stupid. Howland may be a good recruiter but he's nothing else but past his prime. Time go to old man.

Don?t even go there. I have been saying this since the day Ole Miss hired Kermit but it angers a lot of people here because they know it?s true

[Maroonthirteen]

NET and Quads..... hahahaha. NIT bubble my friend.

[OLJWales]

Unfortunately this is going to really drop us in the NET. This is a quad 2 game but had we kept it close and lost by a couple points it wouldn?t do much. This disaster could drop us 10 or more spots

17 the Net. No longer worthy of discussion. 17 Howland & 17 this team.

[EdwardDrayton]

Make the damn change John. We fans have tolerated this long enough.

[OLJWales]

Cohen needs to fire Howland and turn down the NIT at seasons end.

[RougeDawg]

I truly think our teams have talent but lack IQ. It?s been the same with every Howland team. Talent out the wazoo but very little between the ears.

[Renardo Sidney]

Garrison Brooks going crazy rn

[Saltydog]

Garrison Brooks going crazy rn

Maybe on offense because his D has been shit........

[RougeDawg]

No mention of our dumbass uniforms? Have we ever played well in this shit?

[BayouDawg]

Rick Stansbury owned Ole Miss during his tenure.

To be fair ole miss was a dumpster fire for the majority of stans tenure.

[CaptainObvious]

That supposed good loss to Colorado State by 3??? Yeah?NO! They lost by 30 to San Diego State.

[BayouDawg]

Jeffries could build a new house with these bricks tonight

[Maroonthirteen]

I see now why Memphis let a player transfer out to the sec.

[RougeDawg]

We have some very talented dumbasses. Hard to watch.

[Maroonthirteen]

State is better without Jeffries on the floor.

[BayouDawg]

Watching this team gives me Ebola

[msstate7]

Tolu smith better have Covid or an injury. If he's out bc of discipline, I'd rather he be gone for good.

[CaptainObvious]

He might be in the portal trying to transfer back to Western Kentucky.😳😳

[Saltydog]

Yeah great idea! Let?s let Tolu go but let?s keep Howland!

[HoopsDawg]

Tolu smith better have Covid or an injury. If he's out bc of discipline, I'd rather he be gone for good.

I didn't watch. What happened to Shakeel Moore? doesn't look like he played much in the 2nd half.

[CaptainObvious]

Well, the team and the coach weren?t on the same page tonight, but hell, it?s only year 8.

[MetEdDawg]

We scored enough points to beat exactly 1 other SEC team tonight.

Tennessee is the only SEC team that scored fewer points than we did in conference tonight, and they did it on the road to a Top 25 LSU team.

The issue with Howland continues to be that we can't score enough points to beat quality opponents.

[HoopsDawg]

We scored enough points to beat exactly 1 other SEC team tonight.

Tennessee is the only SEC team that scored fewer points than we did in conference tonight, and they did it on the road to a Top 25 LSU team.

The issue with Howland continues to be that we can't score enough points to beat quality opponents.

have you seen our pace of play? I think we are 321st in the nation in pace. That's why Howland got fired from UCLA. The fans hated his pace. He tried to speed it up his last 2 years, but he can't coach that way.

[Commercecomet24]

We scored enough points to beat exactly 1 other SEC team tonight.

Tennessee is the only SEC team that scored fewer points than we did in conference tonight, and they did it on the road to a Top 25 LSU team.

The issue with Howland continues to be that we can't score enough points to beat quality opponents.

Yeah it's the same ol story year and year out with Howland. Every game we go on long streaks without scoring and it absolutely kills us against better teams. We do it against everyone but can't overcome those droughts against quality competition.

[Commercecomet24]

have you seen our pace of play? I think we are 321st in the nation in pace. That's why Howland got fired from UCLA. The fans hated his pace. He tried to speed it up his last 2 years, but he can't coach that way.

Yeah we are very boring and hard to watch.

[HoopsDawg]

Yeah it's the same ol story year and year out with Howland. Every game we go on long streaks without scoring and it absolutely kills us against better teams. We do it against everyone but can't overcome those droughts against quality competition.

The biggest mistake Howland made was in the offseason. He didn't bring in a shooter that can play the 2.

[msstate7]

1 home team lost today, vandy. The sec is tough, and we aren't talented enough to win without our beSt or 2nd best player.

[Commercecomet24]

The biggest mistake Howland made was in the offseason. He didn't bring in a shooter that can play the 2.

Agreed.

[Cowbell]

have you seen our pace of play? I think we are 321st in the nation in pace. That's why Howland got fired from UCLA. The fans hated his pace. He tried to speed it up his last 2 years, but he can't coach that way.

And we should be running the floor and dominating people with our length and speed

[CaptainObvious]

We scored enough points to beat exactly 1 other SEC team tonight.

Tennessee is the only SEC team that scored fewer points than we did in conference tonight, and they did it on the road to a Top 25 LSU team.

The issue with Howland continues to be that we can't score enough points to beat quality opponents.

That was not a quality opponent tonight. They had their best guy out and this guy Murrell lit up that vaunted Howland Defense that we are supposed to create offense out of.

Edited to add that we went from 1 large guy named Brooks taking up space on the bench to 2 guys named Brooks that should be eating up space on the bench. No wonder Garrison?s Mommy told him where he was going to college. He is so soft, mommy wanted him playing on a finesse team in a finesse league.

[msstate7]

We scored enough points to beat exactly 1 other SEC team tonight.

Tennessee is the only SEC team that scored fewer points than we did in conference tonight, and they did it on the road to a Top 25 LSU team.

The issue with Howland continues to be that we can't score enough points to beat quality opponents.

Might wanna recheck that. SC won scoring the same total. Offense wasn't the problem... defense was. Freaking Murrell went off

[Commercecomet24]

And we should be running the floor and dominating people with our length and speed

Yeah we seem to always have the athletes to do it but Howland can't seem to coach that.

[msstate7]

That was not a quality opponent tonight. They had their best guy out and this guy Murrell lit up that vaunted Howland Defense that we are supposed to create offense out of.

He lit up Tennessee too. Murrell being hot this week sucks. He'll be garbage again next game

[HoopsDawg]

Might wanna recheck that. SC won scoring the same total. Offense wasn't the problem... defense was. Freaking Murrell went off

Doesn't that happen a good bit to us? Our perimeter D has never been stellar under Howland. It's the way we defend screens. Our Defensive stats can be misleading due to our pace.

[BiscuitEater]

.. but he can't coach that way.

He can't 'coach' .. period! Pitiful.. just pitiful!

[PGHBulldogBG]

So just to be clear, Howland is in year 7 with a ton of talent, Novac is in year 1 after walking into a terrible situation and Novac has 2 better wins and a much more disciplined/consistent team.

[msstate7]

Doesn't that happen a good bit to us? Our perimeter D has never been stellar under Howland. It's the way we defend screens. Our Defensive stats can be misleading due to our pace.

Murrell entered the game as a 36.6% shooter, so I don't think him shooting 10/11 (.91) is normal

[Cowbell]

Murrell entered the game as a 36.6% shooter, so I don't think him shooting 10/11 (.91) is normal
To your earlier comment about Tolu, Paul said it was not discipline related.

[Maroonthirteen]

Yeah we seem to always have the athletes to do it but Howland can't seem to coach that.

Not defending Howland but State doesn't have any better athletes than most sec school. I'd say State isn't as athletic as some. Murrel went up knowing nobody was blocking his shot. Also nobody could handle #3.

[msstate7]

To your earlier comment about Tolu, Paul said it was not discipline related.

Good, but what the hell is so secretive about it?

[OLJWales]

If this season tanks, which looks highly likely, no other evidence needed to prove Howland no longer has the physical or mental energy required and I wouldn't be surprised if laziness and not give a shit hadn't crept in as well. He's prolly missing that So-Cal Cuisine.

[Commercecomet24]

Not defending Howland but State doesn't have any better athletes than most sec school. I'd say State isn't as athletic as some. Murrel went up knowing nobody was blocking his shot. Also nobody could handle #3.

I agree with that I'm talking more about the pace of play. We hardly ever run and we move extremely slow on offense. We have enough talented players to run more and use their athleticism

[OLJWales]

I agree with that I'm talking more about the pace of play. We hardly ever run and we move extremely slow on offense. We have enough talented players to run more and use their athleticism

We're not being COACHED to pick up the pace. Low Energy Coach = Low Energy Team.

[Commercecomet24]

We're not being COACHED to pick up the pace. Low Energy Coach = Low Energy Team.

Yes it's almost like watching paint dry.

[BeardoMSU]

Good, but what the hell is so secretive about it?

There's a new cannabis strand called "Moultrie Knee"; I hear it slams...***

[OLJWales]

There's a new cannabis strand called "Moultrie Knee"; I hear it slams...***

LMAO. Those were some funny assed threads. "Big Feces" Rocked too. Gotta laugh to keep from cryin' sometimes I reckon.

[yjnkdawg]

We are an offense in slow motion compared to just about every other college basketball team. We don't have much movement to set up shots. It's more like just past the ball around some. It's more of hit and miss (no innovation or creativity) offensive strategy, and it seems to be more misses than hits.

[BeardoMSU]

We are an offense in slow motion compared to just about every other college basketball team. We don't have much movement to set up shots. It's more like just past the ball around some. It's more of hit and miss (no innovation or creativity) offensive strategy, and it seems to be more misses than hits.

Pretty much the same knock on Ben when he was at UCLA and when we hired him.

[parabrave]

And we don't have any player who is a go to guy for 3s.

[Commercecomet24]

We are an offense in slow motion compared to just about every other college basketball team. We don't have much movement to set up shots. It's more like just past the ball around some. It's more of hit and miss (no innovation or creativity) offensive strategy, and it seems to be more misses than hits.

This is the reason for the long stretches every game where we don't score points.

[HoopsDawg]

We are an offense in slow motion compared to just about every other college basketball team. We don't have much movement to set up shots. It's more like just past the ball around some. It's more of hit and miss (no innovation or creativity) offensive strategy, and it seems to be more misses than hits.

We still run the damn weave.

Disclaimer: I don't want Howland fired

[Bdawg]

I truly think our teams have talent but lack IQ. It?s been the same with every Howland team. Talent out the wazoo but very little between the ears.

The constant in that scenario is Howland. He obviously can't get the good out his players anymore and his offense sucks ass and his D now does too. Bye bye for good. I hope they win it all, but I'm done till Howland is gone.

[Pancho]

Well that was my first game to attend in person this season of MSU basketball and I can honestly say that I know at least 3 or 4 high school coaches who are more efficient teachers of offensive ball movement and moving without the ball on offense. I have no idea what the MSU defensive strategy actually was. There was no anticipation and favoring passing lanes. A better effort was made on D in parts of the 2nd half but Howland never had an answer for the 7 footer which in my view helped the 3 ball shooters have more space. This type effort will lead to no road wins in conference play.

[msstate7]

What do you base our offense being horrible on? Eye test? Do you watch many teams play? Just curious, bc...

Kenpom has our offense at #29 ( https://kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjOE )

Our off efficiency is #20 ( https://www2.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/offensive-efficiency#:~:text=NCAA%20BB%20Team%20Offensive%20 Efficiency%20%20%20,%20%201.043%20%2037%20more%20r ows%20 )

2nd in sec in fg%
3rd in sec in 3-pt fg%

We were horrible last night, but I think we'll be fine

[Pancho]

Ole Miss defended out to the 3 point line which spread out their D. We had very few guys slashing to the hole to create a mismatch,overall ball movement was slow. It seemed as if all the MSU guys were waiting for somebody else to get hot and carry the team. That #29 offense ranking from what I saw last night wont impress many going forward. Maybe the team was horrible. My question now is, is this simply a Howland thingy that the team can't overcome or what if the other SEC teams defend us like Kermit's team did and also use a big man on offense to open us up for wide open 3's from any spot on the floor.

[ZedFedder]

At the end of the day, here is how I know Howland has to go. We lost, and I honestly did not care one bit. It’s not because I don’t love MSU, and it isn’t because I haven’t really been invested in MSU basketball before. It’s because we have a coach who has made it so incredibly boring and predictable that, until he is gone, you’ll continue to have this same apathy throughout our whole fan base. We need someone young, energetic, and whose offensive principles are within the last 20 years.

[NCMSTFAN]

I know it was our rival at there place but we have way too much talent to lose like that. We were down by as much as 20 in that game