Wild, Wild West

[Dak Holliday]

Even before the NIL, we have had several posts on how little we traditionally spend on recruiting. They?re saying A&M spent and secured their class with 30 million dollars. If the NIL goes this way, we- us and OM- can find ourselves in the basement. How do smaller market teams compete in this new world in which we find ourselves?

[Jack Lambert]

they got the same guys they were going to get. They still have the same average coach. They will still a 8&4 team.

[BrunswickDawg]

Even before the NIL, we have had several posts on how little we traditionally spend on recruiting. They?re saying A&M spent and secured their class with 30 million dollars. If the NIL goes this way, we- us and OM- can find ourselves in the basement. How do smaller market teams compete in this new world in which we find ourselves?

Who is "they". Is this a credible report or message board rumors?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Who is "they". Is this a credible report or message board rumors?

Message board rumor that's spread like wildfire.

[msstate7]

Who is "they". Is this a credible report or message board rumors?

No idea who "they" is, but take a look at their class. They have 5 of the top 20 players. They have 15 of the top 50. They're the favorite to add another top 10 5-star from Florida.

[QuadrupleOption]

Even before the NIL, we have had several posts on how little we traditionally spend on recruiting. They?re saying A&M spent and secured their class with 30 million dollars. If the NIL goes this way, we- us and OM- can find ourselves in the basement. How do smaller market teams compete in this new world in which we find ourselves?

If they spent 30 million then they're idiots and will quickly realize that the return on investment for college players is nowhere close to that. I expect this will settle down pretty quickly as big money boosters start talking and negotiate amongst themselves to artificially cap spending for NIL to something reasonable.

After all, you can't just throw money at players. They have to be paid to perform some function for a company. Otherwise it's an inducement and it's still against the rules. University employees cannot offer money to recruits, nor can universities negotiate deals for recruits. Again, it's against the rules. And employees of large companies that offer stupidly large NIL deals to one university's players and ignore the other's in-state run the risk of having people go to the competition (I will never buy a vehicle at Herrin-Gear, for example).

It will take care of itself at some point. This doesn't mean I'm necessarily happy about it, as anyone with half a brain could see that large schools with devoted followings have now been given a blank check to buy players at-will.

[Cowbell]

Imagine the pressure this puts on jimbo if he don't win

[Offshore Dawg]

Imagine the pressure this puts on jimbo if he don't win

Why should he care. He already has his money.

[TrapGame]

Who is "they". Is this a credible report or message board rumors?

Bo Bounds said it was $20 million this morning.

[msstate7]

Imagine the pressure this puts on jimbo if he don't win

He has no excuses over the next 3 years

[Ifyouonlyknew]

This all started from a sour grapes Oklahoma msg board guy. It's great talking points so it's taken off. You're not spending $25-30mil on a signing class.

[Commercecomet24]

This all started from a sour grapes Oklahoma msg board guy. It's great talking points so it's taken off. You're not spending $25-30mil on a signing class.

This.

[Percho]

This all started from a sour grapes Oklahoma msg board guy. It's great talking points so it's taken off. You're not spending $25-30mil on a signing class.

What about 20 mil? What would, You, think. A&M spent?

[Dak Holliday]

From the way it was presented by Lugenbill this morning, Texas law allows for Texas schools to use NIL as a recruiting tool, that they?re structured deals over multiple years, and other states like MS are in the process of going in to amend their NIL law to match the competitive edge Texas has. There may not be much to it, but A&M beat out Bama by 11 points and is averaging right at a 95 rating per player for this class.

[IMissJack]

MSU and OM may as well save their money because A&M and TX can spend whatever they want to. We will get primarily the players we always have, but the occasional 5 star may be even less likely.

[parabrave]

If they spent 30 million then they're idiots and will quickly realize that the return on investment for college players is nowhere close to that. I expect this will settle down pretty quickly as big money boosters start talking and negotiate amongst themselves to artificially cap spending for NIL to something reasonable.

After all, you can't just throw money at players. They have to be paid to perform some function for a company. Otherwise it's an inducement and it's still against the rules. University employees cannot offer money to recruits, nor can universities negotiate deals for recruits. Again, it's against the rules. And employees of large companies that offer stupidly large NIL deals to one university's players and ignore the other's in-state run the risk of having people go to the competition (I will never buy a vehicle at Herrin-Gear, for example).

It will take care of itself at some point. This doesn't mean I'm necessarily happy about it, as anyone with half a brain could see that large schools with devoted followings have now been given a blank check to buy players at-will.

They have already spent 100mil for 8-4/

[PGHBulldogBG]

Until something changes with aTm they are still not in the class of Bama, UGA, LSU or Oklahoma. They fall in the next tier with Auburn, Texas and Florida. That?s the traditional 8-4/9-3 group.

[sleepy dawg]

MSU and OM may as well save their money because A&M and TX can spend whatever they want to. We will get primarily the players we always have, but the occasional 5 star may be even less likely.

We're 22nd ranked this year in recruiting and were 26th last year, 28th the year before, 24th the year before, 27th the year before.... So basically, nothings changed for us. We've had 7 5 stars sign ever and 3 of those were from the 2002 class. I think Mullen had 2 in his entire tenure. I guess it's possible we get less 5 starts but this wasn't something we were really pulling much of anyway. We didn't get a single one between 2005 and 2013.

[Commercecomet24]

We're 22nd ranked this year in recruiting and were 26th last year, 28th the year before, 24th the year before, 27th the year before.... So basically, nothings changed for us. We've had 7 5 stars sign ever and 3 of those were from the 2002 class. I think Mullen had 2 in his entire tenure. I guess it's possible we get less 5 starts but this wasn't something we were really pulling much of anyway. We didn't get a single one between 2005 and 2013.

Yeah it's all gonna pretty much stay the same. You can still only have 85 on scholarship and 25 per year. The bamas of the world will still get who they were getting before and we'll get who we get. Only difference about paying players now as opposed to the past is now it's not against the rules but this has been going on since recruiting started.

[msstate7]

Until something changes with aTm they are still not in the class of Bama, UGA, LSU or Oklahoma. They fall in the next tier with Auburn, Texas and Florida. That?s the traditional 8-4/9-3 group.

Of course they aren't in the group with the elites, but getting classes like they got this year is how you crack into that group. They got a Georgia and bama type class this season. Now they have to do it 2 more times... that's what makes bama and Georgia so successful, stacking great classes

[sleepy dawg]

Until something changes with aTm they are still not in the class of Bama, UGA, LSU or Oklahoma. They fall in the next tier with Auburn, Texas and Florida. That?s the traditional 8-4/9-3 group.

Texas has twice as many losing seasons as they do 9+ win seasons in the last 12 years. Ever since they lost in the BCS championship game, they haven't been much. We've been better than them and we haven't been that great either. We've got more 9+ wins seasons and less losing seasons than them in that same span while playing against considerably tougher competition. I know that wasn't your point, but Texas is nothing more a thing of the past until they prove otherwise too.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Never underestimate the greasiness of Jimbo Fisher

[Ifyouonlyknew]

What about 20 mil? What would, You, think. A&M spent?

No I don't think they're avg almost $1mil per recruit.

[Extendedcab]

No I don't think they're avg almost $1mil per recruit.

Maybe they factored in the cost of hookers! ******

[FISHDAWG]

We're 22nd ranked this year in recruiting and were 26th last year, 28th the year before, 24th the year before, 27th the year before.... So basically, nothings changed for us. We've had 7 5 stars sign ever and 3 of those were from the 2002 class. I think Mullen had 2 in his entire tenure. I guess it's possible we get less 5 starts but this wasn't something we were really pulling much of anyway. We didn't get a single one between 2005 and 2013.

I think Quay Evans was a 5-star ..... but we all know how that worked out

[PGHBulldogBG]

Maybe they factored in the cost of hookers! ******

Maybe Bjork is paying Freeze on the side to help build the pipeline

[sleepy dawg]

I think Quay Evans was a 5-star ..... but we all know how that worked out

Maybe somewhere, but not 247.

[Turfdawg67]

Even before the NIL, we have had several posts on how little we traditionally spend on recruiting. They?re saying A&M spent and secured their class with 30 million dollars. If the NIL goes this way, we- us and OM- can find ourselves in the basement. How do smaller market teams compete in this new world in which we find ourselves?

Shut down OM & USM. Then with only one major college we would own the state like other smaller states AR and LA. And we'd have better resources! Complete domination... *evil laugh*

[msstate7]

Shut down OM & USM. Then with only one major college we would own the state like other smaller states AR and LA. And we'd have better resources! Complete domination... *evil laugh*

And move miss state to the coast.

[Ari Gold]

Maybe Jimbo should be worried less about beating Bama
And worry more about beating
MSU, OM, arky amd LSU..

[CaptainObvious]

Of course they aren't in the group with the elites, but getting classes like they got this year is how you crack into that group. They got a Georgia and bama type class this season. Now they have to do it 2 more times... that's what makes bama and Georgia so successful, stacking great classes

And this is why State looked like crap in the Bowl. Not enough depth to be competitive. And now with NIL and free transfer, schools like State will never be able to redshirt most of an incoming class because of the ?need immediate PT issue?. Remember when we had Defense 1 and Defense 1A? Alabama and UGA can plug and play year after year. That 1 season, State had no drop off when the 1A group came in. Not any more.

[Bothrops]

MSU and OM may as well save their money because A&M and TX can spend whatever they want to. We will get primarily the players we always have, but the occasional 5 star may be even less likely.

Correct

[sleepy dawg]

And this is why State looked like crap in the Bowl. Not enough depth to be competitive. And now with NIL and free transfer, schools like State will never be able to redshirt most of an incoming class because of the ?need immediate PT issue?. Remember when we had Defense 1 and Defense 1A? Alabama and UGA can plug and play year after year. That 1 season, State had no drop off when the 1A group came in. Not any more.

We most certainly did have a drop off. 1A had some players that were better than 1, but 1 was better and the stats clearly showed that. It was a terrible strategy that didn't put all our best players on the field.

[Commercecomet24]

We most certainly did have a drop off. 1A had some players that were better than 1, but 1 was better and the stats clearly showed that. It was a terrible strategy that didn't put all our best players on the field.

This and it cost us too. The last long drive when bama put the game away was with 1B, couple of the td drives against om were against 1B.

[Cooterpoot]

And this is why State looked like crap in the Bowl. Not enough depth to be competitive. And now with NIL and free transfer, schools like State will never be able to redshirt most of an incoming class because of the ?need immediate PT issue?. Remember when we had Defense 1 and Defense 1A? Alabama and UGA can plug and play year after year. That 1 season, State had no drop off when the 1A group came in. Not any more.

Had absolutely nothing to do with depth in our bowl this year. And yes, there was a huge drop off in 1B from 1A. Collins was an idiot with that rotation crap.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Until something changes with aTm they are still not in the class of Bama, UGA, LSU or Oklahoma. They fall in the next tier with Auburn, Texas and Florida. That?s the traditional 8-4/9-3 group.

Roughly:

Auburn, Texas, and Florida win 1 or 2 National Titles every 20 years and they play for another 1 or 2. Win Conferences and Heisman with regularity. Is that Tier-2? That's a pretty nice Tier.

Then TAM is not in that Tier.

[TrapGame]

Never underestimate the greasiness of Jimbo Fisher

Jimbo and Bjork are two peas in a pod. Bjork bringing his knowledge of cheating from Oxford to College Station. The NIL deals just make it look legit.

[msstate7]

Roughly:

Auburn, Texas, and Florida win 1 or 2 National Titles every 20 years and they play for another 1 or 2. Win Conferences and Heisman with regularity. Is that Tier-2? That's a pretty nice Tier.

Then TAM is not in that Tier.

I guess if you going back 20 years. If you doing that, Miami is in the upper tier. If you going 5-10 years, auburn is the only one that's done anything, 2013z. aTm has done just as much as auburn, Texas, and Florida the last 5 years, which isn't much

[calidawg]

No I don't think they're avg almost $1mil per recruit.

You are underestimating Texas A&M money and this recruiting class shows it. They finally have the edge they need to spend their money to win. 15 to 20 mil per class moving forward won't surprise me

[calidawg]

Even before the NIL, we have had several posts on how little we traditionally spend on recruiting. They?re saying A&M spent and secured their class with 30 million dollars. If the NIL goes this way, we- us and OM- can find ourselves in the basement. How do smaller market teams compete in this new world in which we find ourselves?

If nothing changes rules wise, SEC teams combined will be spending 100MM per year on recruiting classes within 3-5 years. And that might be undershooting it..

I think we can kiss getting 5 star's goodbye. (no more Jeffrey Simmons or Chris jones or Charles crosses etc..). I doubt we ever get another 5 star unless their are rules and regulations put in place around NIL.

There will be a power shift at the top to the richest schools. Bama is going to have a tougher time recruiting against Texas A&M and Texas (when they get to the SEC) A&M and UT can outspend Bama year after year. Not sure on what Oklahoma's money is in comparison. I would think OU would be in that 4-6th range in SEC but not sure.

[Catfish]

If nothing changes rules wise, SEC teams combined will be spending 100MM per year on recruiting classes within 3-5 years. And that might be undershooting it..

I think we can kiss getting 5 star's goodbye. (no more Jeffrey Simmons or Chris jones or Charles crosses etc..). I doubt we ever get another 5 star unless their are rules and regulations put in place around NIL.

There will be a power shift at the top to the richest schools. Bama is going to have a tougher time recruiting against Texas A&M and Texas (when they get to the SEC) A&M and UT can outspend Bama year after year. Not sure on what Oklahoma's money is in comparison. I would think OU would be in that 4-6th range in SEC but not sure.

I'd like to see the NCAA trying to regulate the NIL money. There not going to touch the big money schools. A big can of worms has been opened and no will have a clue how to stop it.

[TrapGame]

I'd like to see the NCAA trying to regulate the NIL money. There not going to touch the big money schools. A big can of worms has been opened and no will have a clue how to stop it.

Remember in Tombstone when Behan tries to arrest the Earps after the gunfight? Wyatt tells him he's not going to let him arrest them today.

Replace Behan with the NCAA and the Earps w/ the big money P5 schools.

[Catfish]

Remember in Tombstone when Behan tries to arrest the Earps after the gunfight? Wyatt tells him he's not going to let him arrest them today.

Replace Behan with the NCAA and the Earps w/ the big money P5 schools.

Exactly!

[BrunswickDawg]

Remember in Tombstone when Behan tries to arrest the Earps after the gunfight? Wyatt tells him he's not going to let him arrest them today.

Replace Behan with the NCAA and the Earps w/ the big money P5 schools.

Does that make us Billy Bob Thorton's pharaoh dealer character who gets kicked out by Wyatt? Or are we Ike Clanton begging Wyatt not to shoot him at the OK Coral?

I already know Ole Miss - they either Jason Priestley's gay cowboy or Wyatt's laudanum addled common law wife.

[Commercecomet24]

I'd like to see the NCAA trying to regulate the NIL money. There not going to touch the big money schools. A big can of worms has been opened and no will have a clue how to stop it.

Dead on accurate here!

[TrapGame]

Does that make us Billy Bob Thorton's pharaoh dealer character who gets kicked out by Wyatt? Or are we Ike Clanton begging Wyatt not to shoot him at the OK Coral?

I already know Ole Miss - they either Jason Priestley's gay cowboy or Wyatt's laudanum addled common law wife.

I think we're more like Creek and Texas Jack. And OM is that flamboyant Billy Zane actor.

[Dak Holliday]

😂
This conversation is heading in a direction that I can enjoy.

[BrunswickDawg]

I think we're more like Creek and Texas Jack. And OM is that flamboyant Billy Zane actor.

Ah yes, the classic western character actors who no one knows their name, they take the tough hits, make the movie better, but they never win the awards....

I almost went with Billy Zane, but his character was too honest. Priestley was an obvious wannabe who couldn't be original at all. Hung out with the bad guys hoping he fit in, but when they somewhat admired the flashy new guy in town, he tried to copy him to be cool (even if it meant batting for the other team).

[State82]

Wyatt's laudanum addled common law wife.

Now this describes them perfectly.