Hugh Freeze

[MBDawg601]

As crazy as this year has been coaching change wise.. not one school showed interest in Freeze.

When will someone finally take the wrap and hire him? How long will it take? Hate him or love him, dude is a coach. I hope he doesn't end up at a Texas or any other SEC team with resources. I'm just surprised that he wasn't even mentioned for ANY of the jobs that opened and there has been a ton open.

It will eventually happen. I can see the Auburn job and the Texas job opening up in the next two years unless the coaches make a complete turn around. Does he land one of those two?

[TheLostDawg]

He's getting paid a ton of money with no pressure now. He'd be stupid to leave so I imagine he's trying hard to do so

[MBDawg601]

With they money being thrown around in the SEC. He could almost double his salary.

For him to not have been mentioned though is mind boggling. He has baggage, but at some point it will be forgiven/forgotten. Couldn't imagine him living out his days at Liberty.

[Dawgfan77]

He won't ever coach at a bigger program than what he has currently.
Lot of things didn't come to light and he was the fall guy.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I don?t think he will be in SEC as long as Sankey is in charge.

[was21]

He's right where he belongs.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

To quote Yellowstone, somebody needs to take him to the train station. Screw that guy.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

He won't ever coach at a bigger program than what he has currently.
Lot of things didn't come to light and he was the fall guy.
It will be interesting if some of those things come to light one day.

[Leroy Jenkins]

If SaBear couldn't get Hugh hired as a 'bama consultant, and was told flat out "no", he ain't coming back to the SEC for a while.


Go to the 3:00 mark...


https://youtu.be/tlDXMAM-crU

[Turfdawg67]

No one wanted their current coach either...

[somebodyshotmypaw]

I don’t know what happened with hookers. I don’t know what happened with the NCAA recruiting stuff. But I know what happened with Tony Bahou and the Special Olympics as it relates to Freeze. And I know what happened in the parking lot of North Oxford Baptist Church. Screw Hugh Freeze.

[basedog]

His time is over for any Power 5 job. He is where he needs to be and stay. Dang scum bag!

[WeDemBoyz]

I don’t know what happened with hookers. I don’t know what happened with the NCAA recruiting stuff. But I know what happened with Tony Bahou and the Special Olympics as it relates to Freeze. And I know what happened in the parking lot of North Oxford Baptist Church. Screw Hugh Freeze.

Dont be vague. Speak on it then

[OLJWales]

He won't ever coach at a bigger program than what he has currently.
Lot of things didn't come to light and he was the fall guy.


This was always where my brain took me. I bet Hugh told the truth to his wife as well. The Big Lie worked out best for both because hookers for players would not have. I feel kinda sorry for his wife and children having to live The Big Lie while interacting with others.

[Dawgface]

If SaBear couldn't get Hugh hired as a 'bama consultant, and was told flat out "no", he ain't coming back to the SEC for a while.


Go to the 3:00 mark...


https://youtu.be/tlDXMAM-crU

Saban is apparently a low life too if he has tremendous respect for him. He didn't stop at just his coaching abilility either.

[TrapGame]

The NCAA knew exactly what was going on. It didn't take an in depth investigation to find out the hookers were for recruits. Going down that rabbit hole would have not only destroyed ole miss (which ain't a bad thing) but would have given college football more than just a black eye. I'm sure there were other schools involved with some of the same escorts in sports other than football. It would have been the biggest scandal of college athletics. So, instead the NCAA gives a heads up to any school thinking about giving Freeze another shot. They tell the ADs the truth about the whole thing and that's why they drop Freeze like a hot nail from the conversation.

[viverlibre]

Saban ********** has tremendous respect for him. He didn't stop at just his coaching abilility either.

Not just Saban, the preacher at Pinelake in Flowood, by far the most successful preacher in Mississippi (and MSU alum), is still in Freeze's corner.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I don?t know what happened with hookers. I don?t know what happened with the NCAA recruiting stuff. But I know what happened with Tony Bahou and the Special Olympics as it relates to Freeze. And I know what happened in the parking lot of North Oxford Baptist Church. Screw Hugh Freeze.

wait....what?!

[MoreCowbell]

He won't ever coach at a bigger program than what he has currently.
Lot of things didn't come to light and he was the fall guy.

What didnt come to light? Always hearing this but no one says what it was

[MoreCowbell]

I just find it hard to believe Freeze was personally getting hookers for recruits when there is 2000 other people that would be doing that part of the job. I am sure Freeze got hookers for himself and that was brought to light. So what happened in the parking lot and with special olympics? I hate when people act like they know something and then dont say anything, no one gives a shit. Spill the beans

[PikeDawg15]

What didnt come to light? Always hearing this but no one says what it was

That the hookers were for players and recruits, not for freeze himself and he just had to take the fall for it and they blamed it all on hugh getting them for himself when that wasn't the case.

Also, I've said it for awhile, may not be for another 5 or 6 years but one day, the 2nd dirtiest program in the sec ( Auburn) is going to hire the saban killer when they get fed up with being little brother for too long and hugh freeze at auburn would win national title after national title until bama gets him fired

[Coach34]

I just find it hard to believe Freeze was personally getting hookers for recruits when there is 2000 other people that would be doing that part of the job. I am sure Freeze got hookers for himself and that was brought to life. So what happened at the parking lot with special olympics? I hate when people act like they know something and then dont say anything, no one gives a shit

You never say never- But the chance of Freeze coaching in the SEC again are close to zero. Sankey buried alot to save face for the SEC. The SEC is a billion dolla industry and it handles its business accordingly.

[SteelCurtain74]

The NCAA knew exactly what was going on. It didn't take an in depth investigation to find out the hookers were for recruits. Going down that rabbit hole would have not only destroyed ole miss (which ain't a bad thing) but would have given college football more than just a black eye. I'm sure there were other schools involved with some of the same escorts in sports other than football. It would have been the biggest scandal of college athletics. So, instead the NCAA gives a heads up to any school thinking about giving Freeze another shot. They tell the ADs the truth about the whole thing and that's why they drop Freeze like a hot nail from the conversation.

And to think Pitino only received a 5 game suspension when he was at Louisville for the stripper/sex party incident with recruits. Yes, Louisville suffered far greater but he escaped relatively unscathed at the time although I think that's what ultimately led to him leaving Louisville.

[OLJWales]

I just find it hard to believe Freeze was personally getting hookers for recruits when there is 2000 other people that would be doing that part of the job. I am sure Freeze got hookers for himself and that was brought to light. So what happened in the parking lot and with special olympics? I hate when people act like they know something and then dont say anything, no one gives a shit. Spill the beans

Dear Child.

[OLJWales]

I just find it hard to believe Freeze was personally getting hookers for recruits when there is 2000 other people that would be doing that part of the job. I am sure Freeze got hookers for himself and that was brought to light. So what happened in the parking lot and with special olympics? I hate when people act like they know something and then dont say anything, no one gives a shit. Spill the beans

Follow the money, don't be naive and think logical.

[MoreCowbell]

IM sure plenty of Ole Miss players had all the hookers they wanted I just think it was facilitated by someone on staff besides Freeze. I am sure he knew it was going on I just dont think he personally called the hookers to set it up. That is almost inconceivable.

[MoreCowbell]

I just want someone to tell me what happened in the church parking lot with Tony Bahouf and the Special Olympics

[PikeDawg15]

I just want someone to tell me what happened in the church parking lot with Tony Bahouf and the Special Olympics

Interested to hear this too, never heard anything about it before

[MoreCowbell]

Interested to hear this too, never heard anything about it before

I doubt he knows anything

[OLJWales]

Steve Robertson got shed of his rosebowl stigma overnight. He's a Great American and STATE Hero.

[viverlibre]

Additionally there was some smoke about inappropriate happenings at Briarcrest Academy. Sometimes things come out decades down the road, I doubt an AD wants to risk that.

[OLJWales]

Additionally there was some smoke about inappropriate happenings at Briarcrest Academy. Sometimes things come out decades down the road, I doubt an AD wants to risk that.

Based on what I've seen here on ED along with stuff from my old Memphis friends
seems it was more than smoke.

The hooker story was just too big of a national story too fa
de fast. Not nearly as bad as Sandusky but it's in the same chapter.
I may be wrong as Christian not being able to forgive a
Sandusky type but I kinda see a school founded on
forgiveness giving Freezus a 2nd shot. Hugh prolly knows this is his gig for a while and maybe his last.

[HancockCountyDog]

I'm just surprised that he wasn't even mentioned for ANY of the jobs that opened and there has been a ton open.


Surprisingly, teams don't want to hire a guy who claims to be a devout Christian while stopping at every massage parlor between Memphis and Miami.

He is damn lucky to have the job he has.

[Johnson85]

IM sure plenty of Ole Miss players had all the hookers they wanted I just think it was facilitated by someone on staff besides Freeze. I am sure he knew it was going on I just dont think he personally called the hookers to set it up. That is almost inconceivable.

Arranging sex workers for minors is a pretty big ask of a relatively lowly paid assistant. I wouldn't do that for a few hundred thousand dollars, and I certainly wouldn't do it so the guy making $4M wouldn't have to. To the extent that was happening, I'm guessing Freeze had to be involved with it.

[viverlibre]

I just find it hard to believe Freeze was personally getting hookers for recruits when there is 2000 other people that would be doing that part of the job. I am sure Freeze got hookers for himself and that was brought to light. So what happened in the parking lot and with special olympics? I hate when people act like they know something and then dont say anything, no one gives a shit. Spill the beans

I have to think you can find a good many co-eds on campus, or recent grads, to provide "hospitality."

[OLJWales]

I have to think you can find a good many co-eds on campus, or recent grads, to provide "hospitality."

Not when on the road. Can't let them travel; bad look and obvious.
Co-Eds for home games only; gotta order take out when the visitor; preferably one WAY outta state curtailing local knowledge.

[TrapGame]

I have to think you can find a good many co-eds on campus, or recent grads, to provide "hospitality."

That's just it. Those "co-eds" these recruits meet are hired escorts posing as very friendly sorority girls. I believe Chris Jones got caught up in this sort of thing.

[Coach34]

I believe Chris Jones got caught up in this sort of thing.

Story I was told on Jones:

"OM coed" was CJ's host when he visited. They hit it off really well and that's why CJ made that famous drive back to Oxford after visiting State. Turns out she was not an OM student at all but a woman that worked at Hooters in Memphis.

You can speculate all you want as to how and why she played that role. I doubt it was her weekend hobby to pretend to be a college student.

[TrapGame]

Story I was told on Jones:

"OM coed" was CJ's host when he visited. They hit it off really well and that's why CJ made that famous drive back to Oxford after visiting State. Turns out she was not an OM student at all but a woman that worked at Hooters in Memphis.

You can speculate all you want as to how and why she played that role. I doubt it was her weekend hobby to pretend to be a college student.

Yep. I heard she was a stripper from Memphis that was a sugar baby to a big $$$ alum.

[SailingDawg]

He's right where he belongs.

In addition to his salary, he gets to hold retreats where he embarasses his wife by professing his sins then bring everyone to tears with their reconciliation. Money flows.

[OLJWales]

In addition to his salary, he gets to hold retreats where he embarasses his wife by professing his sins then bring everyone to tears with their reconciliation. Money flows.

Makes me feel sorry his wife and kids.

Make a movie "bout DAT Hollywood Biches.

[RougeDawg]

That's just it. Those "co-eds" these recruits meet are hired escorts posing as very friendly sorority girls. I believe Chris Jones got caught up in this sort of thing.

Bbbbbingo. One day I?ll tell the entire CJ story, but this is part of it.

[Lord McBuckethead]

removed because it has been discussed. Hookers.

[StateDawg44]

Bbbbbingo. One day I?ll tell the entire CJ story, but this is part of it.

???... Lame.

So what determines when you finally decide to up and spill the beans? Whether what you know is the truth or not.

What could possibly go wrong if you shared your story today? This very second?!

[Pancho]

I'm not privy to all the CJ info but I was told by an old frat buddy that the person who drove CJ to Oxford on the evening in question was offered the same services that the recruits received. He politely declined and stayed in the car. The Gin is no longer with us.

[lastmajordog]

Say what you want but I was always envious that from day one HF’s om teams absolutely took the field taking the fight to Bama.

[TheLostDawg]

The NCAA knew exactly what was going on. It didn't take an in depth investigation to find out the hookers were for recruits. Going down that rabbit hole would have not only destroyed ole miss (which ain't a bad thing) but would have given college football more than just a black eye. I'm sure there were other schools involved with some of the same escorts in sports other than football. It would have been the biggest scandal of college athletics. So, instead the NCAA gives a heads up to any school thinking about giving Freeze another shot. They tell the ADs the truth about the whole thing and that's why they drop Freeze like a hot nail from the conversation.

He wasn't the first guy to get busted for getting hookers for recruits and those other schools caught came out so it can't be just that

[MoreCowbell]

Arranging sex workers for minors is a pretty big ask of a relatively lowly paid assistant. I wouldn't do that for a few hundred thousand dollars, and I certainly wouldn't do it so the guy making $4M wouldn't have to. To the extent that was happening, I'm guessing Freeze had to be involved with it.

Louisville basketball hooker scandal- director of player personnel was in charge of getting hookers. Of course they hand it off to someone else

[TheLostDawg]

I just find it hard to believe Freeze was personally getting hookers for recruits when there is 2000 other people that would be doing that part of the job. I am sure Freeze got hookers for himself and that was brought to light. So what happened in the parking lot and with special olympics? I hate when people act like they know something and then dont say anything, no one gives a shit. Spill the beans

Agree. Just another subject ole Miss fans put out there and a lot of our fans believed it blindly because it was terrible enough.

Just like corral not making Heisman trip, we fall for their smoke.
(Yes if second half of season went like first, he'd have been invited)

[Medic601]

So when is someone going to quit being elite and tell us the Tony Bahou story

[OLJWales]

They nipped it in the bud too fast for it to have bean just individual misconduct. They squelched the prostitution for croots FAST. Freezus made the calls but network money and knowledge played a role too.

[TheLostDawg]

IM sure plenty of Ole Miss players had all the hookers they wanted I just think it was facilitated by someone on staff besides Freeze. I am sure he knew it was going on I just dont think he personally called the hookers to set it up. That is almost inconceivable.

He would text certain girls when recruits would come to town to "show them a good time " this is a fact. The girls would know when the recruits would be getting to the library, for example, and the girls would be all over them. This is fact.

[TheLostDawg]

Makes me feel sorry his wife and kids.

Make a movie "bout DAT Hollywood Biches.

Why. She stayed with him so it's obviously about the money. Now kids, certainly.

[Todd4State]

The fact of the matter is Freeze is radioactive at this point. His best bet is to stay where he is and hope no one blows up what really happened.

[Catfish]

The fact of the matter is Freeze is radioactive at this point. His best bet is to stay where he is and hope no one blows up what really happened.

At 4 million a year, he's sitting pretty good.

[MBDawg601]

2-3 more years at Liberty and 2-3 more years of Texas sucking or Florida striking out with Napier. You may be surprised what desperate blue bloods can manifest.

[BeastMan]

Hugh will have major issues putting together a staff at a big job. He?s one of the least well-liked guys in the coaching fraternity.

[Really Clark?]

I just find it hard to believe Freeze was personally getting hookers for recruits when there is 2000 other people that would be doing that part of the job. I am sure Freeze got hookers for himself and that was brought to light. So what happened in the parking lot and with special olympics? I hate when people act like they know something and then dont say anything, no one gives a shit. Spill the beans

The escort services and hooker numbers were on Hugh's phone. That goes beyond lack of control by the coach to facilitating escorts for recruits. If he actually helped arrange transportation from out of state, that's trafficking and I've thought there was some information of that variety that the NCAA, he and the university never wanted that revealed, obviously.

[SilentSteel16]

Not just Saban, the preacher at Pinelake in Flowood, by far the most successful preacher in Mississippi (and MSU alum), is still in Freeze's corner.

Dude seriously? You are calling a preacher a low life scum? What exactly is a preacher to do with his flock? If a preacher can?t be friendly and offer advice and spiritual assistance to someone at their low point then they are failing their job. For you to attack a preacher for doing what he supposed to be doing with his flock just proves that you don?t know the mission of a preacher. What if Jesus Christ didn?t talk to people at their lowest? Would he have made disciples out of who he did? You are way off base here and have lost my respect because when you attack a preacher for doing his job it just shows how weak of a person you personally really are. That was pathetic.

[Johnson85]

Dude seriously? You are calling a preacher a low life scum? What exactly is a preacher to do with his flock? If a preacher can?t be friendly and offer advice and spiritual assistance to someone at their low point then they are failing their job. For you to attack a preacher for doing what he supposed to be doing with his flock just proves that you don?t know the mission of a preacher. What if Jesus Christ didn?t talk to people at their lowest? Would he have made disciples out of who he did? You are way off base here and have lost my respect because when you attack a preacher for doing his job it just shows how weak of a person you personally really are. That was pathetic.

Pretty sure he is not criticizing the Pinelake preacher for being friendly and offering spiritual assistance. The Pinelake guy gave Freeze a platform without Freeze ever really taking responsibility or accountability for his sins or even acknowledging what they were. Freeze was still openly denying that he did what was claimed while also taking "responsibility" for some unspecified mistakes. I think a lot of people would probably feel like it's legitimate to criticize him over that. I am not sure what Pinelakes belief's are, but certainly in some churches that would be seen as improper.

[SilentSteel16]

Pretty sure he is not criticizing the Pinelake preacher for being friendly and offering spiritual assistance. The Pinelake guy gave Freeze a platform without Freeze ever really taking responsibility or accountability for his sins or even acknowledging what they were. Freeze was still openly denying that he did what was claimed while also taking "responsibility" for some unspecified mistakes. I think a lot of people would probably feel like it's legitimate to criticize him over that. I am not sure what Pinelakes belief's are, but certainly in some churches that would be seen as improper.

Well I attend Pinelake and not one of the satellites. I was in the sanctuary when he referenced Freeze. Granted he did not use his name, nor should he have, he spoke very directly about accusations whether or not they are factual or not. He was talking about personal growth and forgiveness. How like him or not, it is not our place to judge but to offer assistance and to extend grace. Chip never once said it was being blown out of proportion or that he was innocent in the charges, but we as Christians are to extend grace because that is what Christ does.

He referenced Freeze several sermons, again not by name but you know who he was speaking of. He was doing his job and leading his church by being the example of extending grace. I was there, this is not second, third or fourth hand information. I had several talks with my wife about it as well and we both came to the conclusion that it was not a pro-Freeze sermon but one of forgiveness and extending grace. People have faults, Freeze certainly has his and he has to live with his actions, but Chip was doing his job and leading by example by extending grace.

If anyone still hates Freeze that is your opinion, but without getting philosophical in an anonymous forum, if you believe in Christ and his mission, then you believe in extending grace to others who are guilty of transgressions against others. I for one truly hope that is the case, because without Jesus being able to do that very thing, I am screwed.

[Extendedcab]

Well I attend Pinelake and not one of the satellites. I was in the sanctuary when he referenced Freeze. Granted he did not use his name, nor should he have, he spoke very directly about accusations whether or not they are factual or not. He was talking about personal growth and forgiveness. How like him or not, it is not our place to judge but to offer assistance and to extend grace. Chip never once said it was being blown out of proportion or that he was innocent in the charges, but we as Christians are to extend grace because that is what Christ does.

He referenced Freeze several sermons, again not by name but you know who he was speaking of. He was doing his job and leading his church by being the example of extending grace. I was there, this is not second, third or fourth hand information. I had several talks with my wife about it as well and we both came to the conclusion that it was not a pro-Freeze sermon but one of forgiveness and extending grace. People have faults, Freeze certainly has his and he has to live with his actions, but Chip was doing his job and leading by example by extending grace.

If anyone still hates Freeze that is your opinion, but without getting philosophical in an anonymous forum, if you believe in Christ and his mission, then you believe in extending grace to others who are guilty of transgressions against others. I for one truly hope that is the case, because without Jesus being able to do that very thing, I am screwed.


While I do agree with forgiveness and extending grace to those who fall short. There are sins that do disqualify us for further service in the endeavor we were undertaking. Freeze violated the trust with parents and the school and should be disqualified for holding such a position. Let him go sell used cars but keep him away from a position of trust of this type.

And yes, this view is biblical as the apostle Paul mentions his fear of being disqualified to preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:27).

[SilentSteel16]

While I do agree with forgiveness and extending grace to those who fall short. There are sins that do disqualify us for further service in the endeavor we were undertaking. Freeze violated the trust with parents and the school and should be disqualified for holding such a position. Let him go sell used cars but keep him away from a position of trust of this type.

And yes, this view is biblical as the apostle Paul mentions his fear of being disqualified to preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:27).


You sir, are 100% correct.

The issue was the poster was calling a preacher whom was doing what he is paid and called to do a low life. The poster was responding and quoted someone saying Saban was a low life. The poster then said not only Saban but the preacher at Pinelake too. That is my point of contention.

Chip (Pinelake Rez pastor) never once said that Freeze should be coaching or in a position as such. He was talking on a personal level. He was defending the man from onslaughts on his person(which he did deserve.) Chip even referenced Paul who as you well know killed Christians prior to becoming a disciple of Christ. Do I believe Freeze screwed up, YES. As does Chip at Pinelake, but that still does not give us the right to judge him. How does it go? Those without sin cast the first stone…

[Jack Lambert]

preacher whom was doing what he is paid

How much money did Jesus get paid?

[SilentSteel16]

How much money did Jesus get paid?

It could be debated that Jesus is the currency. That was clearly meant to be a joke but was it?

Plus Jesus was paid by peoples belief in him and faith in him.

[viverlibre]

You sir, are 100% correct.

The issue was the poster was calling a preacher whom was doing what he is paid and called to do a low life. The poster was responding and quoted someone saying Saban was a low life. The poster then said not only Saban but the preacher at Pinelake too. That is my point of contention.

Chip (Pinelake Rez pastor) never once said that Freeze should be coaching or in a position as such. He was talking on a personal level. He was defending the man from onslaughts on his person(which he did deserve.) Chip even referenced Paul who as you well know killed Christians prior to becoming a disciple of Christ. Do I believe Freeze screwed up, YES. As does Chip at Pinelake, but that still does not give us the right to judge him. How does it go? Those without sin cast the first stone…

You're taking a lot of liberty with my statement, in no way was I criticizing Chip (whom I've known for more than two decades), I was just making the point that others of high standing, beside's Saban (where did I infer he was a "low life"?) were standing by Freeze. I've always had a uneasy feeling about Freeze, but I'm not judging what he has done nor his spirituality (I have no reason to judge him, but a major peeve of mine is hypocrisy which I think he is full of). My gut is there was more to what he has done than publicly known, else he would have gotten a major job by now, but I don't know that.

As an aside, Chip is a good guy and great preacher, but as a whole don't put too much faith in religious leaders. I know of other lay leaders in several different churches who did much less than Freeze was accused of, but were asked to "step away" and focus on themselves after a transgression.

[SilentSteel16]

I took no such liberties. Post #17 in this thread speaks for itself. You quoted a previous quote calling Saban a low life. You said not just Saban but the preacher at Pinelake. It implies that Chip is in same category as Saban. If that was not your intent, then it should have been worded differently.

As far as freeze goes, yes I think he does forfeit himself from public office or HC jobs. Lucky for him that doesn’t keep him from salvation which as you well know is Chips concern and not sports jobs.

I am all for extending graces to others, Lord knows I need it as well.

[viverlibre]

I took no such liberties. Post #17 in this thread speaks for itself. You quoted a previous quote calling Saban a low life. You said not just Saban but the preacher at Pinelake. It implies that Chip is in same category as Saban. If that was not your intent, then it should have been worded differently.

As far as freeze goes, yes I think he does forfeit himself from public office or HC jobs. Lucky for him that doesn’t keep him from salvation which as you well know is Chips concern and not sports jobs.

I am all for extending graces to others, Lord knows I need it as well.

I do apologize to you, Saban and Chip about that, I didn't mean to infer either were low lifes, just that Saban was not the only well known person standing by Freeze. I edited my quote.

[Catfish]

I was always taught to never discuss religion or politics in public.

[SilentSteel16]

Haha. Well played on the edit. Well played. Good day sir

[msstatelp1]

You sir, are 100% correct.

The issue was the poster was calling a preacher whom was doing what he is paid and called to do a low life. The poster was responding and quoted someone saying Saban was a low life. The poster then said not only Saban but the preacher at Pinelake too. That is my point of contention.

Chip (Pinelake Rez pastor) never once said that Freeze should be coaching or in a position as such. He was talking on a personal level. He was defending the man from onslaughts on his person(which he did deserve.) Chip even referenced Paul who as you well know killed Christians prior to becoming a disciple of Christ. Do I believe Freeze screwed up, YES. As does Chip at Pinelake, but that still does not give us the right to judge him. How does it go? Those without sin cast the first stone?

The difference is Paul repented and was sorry for the things he did. There's a question whether Freeze is sorry for what he did or sorry for getting caught. I believe the latter because there's numerous instances of Freeze getting caught in lies and pulling the "forgive me I have sinned" card.

[Johnson85]

Well I attend Pinelake and not one of the satellites. I was in the sanctuary when he referenced Freeze. Granted he did not use his name, nor should he have, he spoke very directly about accusations whether or not they are factual or not. He was talking about personal growth and forgiveness. How like him or not, it is not our place to judge but to offer assistance and to extend grace. Chip never once said it was being blown out of proportion or that he was innocent in the charges, but we as Christians are to extend grace because that is what Christ does.

He referenced Freeze several sermons, again not by name but you know who he was speaking of. He was doing his job and leading his church by being the example of extending grace. I was there, this is not second, third or fourth hand information. I had several talks with my wife about it as well and we both came to the conclusion that it was not a pro-Freeze sermon but one of forgiveness and extending grace. People have faults, Freeze certainly has his and he has to live with his actions, but Chip was doing his job and leading by example by extending grace.

If anyone still hates Freeze that is your opinion, but without getting philosophical in an anonymous forum, if you believe in Christ and his mission, then you believe in extending grace to others who are guilty of transgressions against others. I for one truly hope that is the case, because without Jesus being able to do that very thing, I am screwed.

My bad. I thought pinelake was where Freeze actually spoke. Not sure why I thought that was Pinelake. I guess maybe I remembered people criticizing the Pinelake preacher and thought it was for Freeze speaking at Pinelake.

[Quaoarsking]

As long as Freeze won't admit what he did (beyond some generic "I didn't honor my wife BS") and continues to grift gullible evangelicals by speaking at conferences and lining his own pockets with his vague story of "redemption," I'm just not going to believe he's repented.

Ultimately of course, it doesn't matter whether I believe him, but that's where I am.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I do apologize to you, Saban and Chip about that, I didn't mean to infer either were low lifes, just that Saban was not the only well known person standing by Freeze. I edited my quote.

Saban is kind of a low life, but that is for another time.

[SteelCurtain74]

My bad. I thought pinelake was where Freeze actually spoke. Not sure why I thought that was Pinelake. I guess maybe I remembered people criticizing the Pinelake preacher and thought it was for Freeze speaking at Pinelake.

He did speak at Pinelake but it was before all of this came to light and it was only for the 11:00 service.

[Lord McBuckethead]

As long as Freeze won't admit what he did (beyond some generic "I didn't honor my wife BS") and continues to grift gullible evangelicals by speaking at conferences and lining his own pockets with his vague story of "redemption," I'm just not going to believe he's repented.

Ultimately of course, it doesn't matter whether I believe him, but that's where I am.

Well, some would believe that a person doesn't have to repent in public for redemption. Others could argue that any religion is mumbo jumbo.

To me it is this clear, should a person deserve forgiveness in the public for transgressions they have made, without coming clean about those transgressions? I say no. Freeze does not get a free pass. Freeze does not get to stand up and talk about his personal redemption without being clear about the facts. A person like him should demand any an all that know something about him to come on out with it. At that point, he can work to better himself in public. Not before. The full story of that situation has not come out, he has admitted nothing, and therefore the public has no responsibility to forgive him.

Can I forgive him personally, sure. I hold not ill will towards Freeze or anyone else for that matter. So he may have cheated on his wife, well shit happens. So he may have hired hookers for a 16-18 year old high school student, it is not like these guys are 7 years old. Either way, until he comes out publicly with his exact role, he should be black balled. At the point that he does come out with it, depending on what it is, he still should be black balled.

Either way, I am not losing a moment's thought about Hugh Freeze and his redemption. That is between him and God, and then "as a public figure" between him and the public.

[chef dixon]

Didn't he also baptize Laquon Treadwell at Pinelake? So classic

[OLJWales]

At least we can all agree everything Ole Miss needs to Go to Hell and 17'd to death.

[RougeDawg]

Well, some would believe that a person doesn't have to repent in public for redemption. Others could argue that any religion is mumbo jumbo.

To me it is this clear, should a person deserve forgiveness in the public for transgressions they have made, without coming clean about those transgressions? I say no. Freeze does not get a free pass. Freeze does not get to stand up and talk about his personal redemption without being clear about the facts. A person like him should demand any an all that know something about him to come on out with it. At that point, he can work to better himself in public. Not before. The full story of that situation has not come out, he has admitted nothing, and therefore the public has no responsibility to forgive him.

Can I forgive him personally, sure. I hold not ill will towards Freeze or anyone else for that matter. So he may have cheated on his wife, well shit happens. So he may have hired hookers for a 16-18 year old high school student, it is not like these guys are 7 years old. Either way, until he comes out publicly with his exact role, he should be black balled. At the point that he does come out with it, depending on what it is, he still should be black balled.

Either way, I am not losing a moment's thought about Hugh Freeze and his redemption. That is between him and God, and then "as a public figure" between him and the public.

Im not sure the families of those high school girls have forgiven him nor ever will.

The thing with Bucky is more than just him are to blame. The plantation enablers set all of this in motion many year ago by covering up his illegal acts with underage girls. Sometimes winning is more important than illegal and immoral acts to some people. The KlanSharts epitomize this mantra. More than any blue blood program. The fact that no one has made them pay is also troubling. You would think at some point that someone would make the little fish pay for such acts and enabling to make an example and throw the public a bone, but it has not happened.

[MedDawg]

Are y'all saying OM was not doing this before Freeze and stopped doing it after Freeze?

[OLJWales]

I was always taught to never discuss religion or politics in public.

You have point.

[OLJWales]

Are y'all saying OM was not doing this before Freeze and stopped doing it after Freeze?

Hopefully not.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Are y'all saying OM was not doing this before Freeze and stopped doing it after Freeze?

I am not saying anything of the sort. I am not even accusing Freeze of anything. I will say UM learned an important lesson, burner phones.

[maroonmania]

I dont really want to read through 5 pages of replies but is it not understood here that Freeze will never be a P5 HC again? There are things that happened while he was at OM that aren't necessarily publicized that make him totally tainted to ever be hired at any P5 program and probably any public university. He is very fortunate to have the job he has.

[Pancho]

The ole backpack full of chip$ on the bed in the casino hotel still works to perfection.

[MBDawg601]

Still believe Freeze will have a top p5 job in the next two years.

People forgive and forget a lot when it comes to this business. Let's not act like other universities are not utilizing the same "tactics".

We are dealing with 18 year old men. Only one thing on their mind primarily.. everything else comes second.

[OLJWales]

I dont really want to read through 5 pages of replies but is it not understood here that Freeze will never be a P5 HC again? There are things that happened while he was at OM that aren't necessarily publicized that make him totally tainted to ever be hired at any P5 program and probably any public university. He is very fortunate to have the job he has.

I think you are right but what do you mean by "not necessarily publicized"? Wasn't he in the middle of lack of institutional control? Were there other things besides that and hookers while at Ole Miss?

[maroonmania]

I think you are right but what do you mean by "not necessarily publicized"? Wasn't he in the middle of lack of institutional control? Were there other things besides that and hookers while at Ole Miss?

I will just say that the publicized 'cover story' was that Freeze made the hooker calls for himself. If you believe that you are being rather naive. There was a reason OM dropped him like a hot potato.

[Coach34]

Still believe Freeze will have a top p5 job in the next two years.

His name not even being mentioned at all for any job this cycle should be a hint

[Turfdawg67]

His name not even being mentioned at all for any job this cycle should be a hint

Neither has Kiffin, at least publicly

[OLJWales]

I will just say that the publicized 'cover story' was that Freeze made the hooker calls for himself. If you believe that you are being rather naive. There was a reason OM dropped him like a hot potato.

Gotcha and agree. Toots fo croots.