Panthers Fire Joe Brady

[TrapGame]

Per Rapoport.

[MetEdDawg]

Wow. That's absolutely stunning. I can't believe that honestly.

Didn't even make it through 2 seasons and have had an absolute carousel of craziness at QB and Christian McCaffrey hurt for a significant period of that time.

Really don't understand that honestly and to do it with 5 games left. Feel like there has to be something else here.

[msstate7]

Great, he'll be in the sec again next season

[msstate7]

Wow. That's absolutely stunning. I can't believe that honestly.

Didn't even make it through 2 seasons and have had an absolute carousel of craziness at QB and Christian McCaffrey hurt for a significant period of that time.

Really don't understand that honestly and to do it with 5 games left. Feel like there has to be something else here.

Cood's in the nfl get sacrificed all the time

[BayouDawg]

I just texted my LSU buds expecting them to be chomping at the bit to get him back in red stick. Much to my surprise they dont want him. They think it was all burrow and the talented wideouts that made that 2019 team click. I dont know if I agree with them.

[Bdawg]

I just texted my LSU buds expecting them to be chomping at the bit to get him back in red stick. Much to my surprise they dont want him. They think it was all burrow and the talented wideouts that made that 2019 team click. I dont know if I agree with them.

Well it does take good players to win it all. I guess we could ask ourselves what would Saban do with our roster and same staff (on and off the field) we have now? How many more wins can just one man actually bring you by coaching only?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Ole Miss will be looking for an OC

[bulldawg28]

He may be Virginia's head coach

[msstate7]

He may be Virginia's head coach

That would be surprising

[bulldawg28]

That would be surprising

It would be but Virginia has nothing to lose by doing it.

[VandelayIndustries]

Great, he'll be in the sec again next season

A lot of talk he hated recruiting and that’s why he prefers the NFL. Wonder if he would take a position coaching spot in the NFL or back to college for an OC spot

[msstate7]

A lot of talk he hated recruiting and that’s why he prefers the NFL. Wonder if he would take a position coaching spot in the NFL or back to college for an OC spot

I hope he's back on Sean Payton's staff next year personally

[VandelayIndustries]

I hope he's back on Sean Payton's staff next year personally

Yep I would like that too

[parabrave]

Great, he'll be in the sec again next season

What sucks is he might join Kiffen.

[Homedawg]

I hope he's back on Sean Payton's staff next year personally

Why? He isn't the brains behind it.... he got way too much credit but kudos to him he made the most of it.

[Homedawg]

What sucks is he might join Kiffen.

Again, why is he a guru? He Gonna have chase, Jefferson, burrow and edwards ? If so be scared as shit...

[Todd4State]

I just texted my LSU buds expecting them to be chomping at the bit to get him back in red stick. Much to my surprise they dont want him. They think it was all burrow and the talented wideouts that made that 2019 team click. I dont know if I agree with them.

That was definitely a lot of it. I mean Burrow would be on the run and fire a ball like 30-50 yards downfield and complete it and Gary Danielson would go "What a great play call!" I always thought it was pretty funny.

[Todd4State]

Again, why is he a guru? He Gonna have chase, Jefferson, burrow and edwards ? If so be scared as shit...

I've always wondered how much of that offense was Brady and how much of it was Ensminger. Well, most of it was Burrow and company making plays which we agree on. The way it sounded to me was Brady was like a RPO contributor and they basically kind of married that to a collegiate version of Sean Payton's offense. I'm not sure that they really ran that many RPO's a game really though. Probably only 10-20%.

[Todd4State]

What sucks is he might join Kiffen.

Why would he go there? Oregon, Auburn, and obviously LSU are looking among others and Brady has some ties to Oregon by being in the Moorhead tree and obviously he coached at LSU. May even get another NFL job as an assistant at worst. It's not like failing in the NFL makes you a leper.

[OLJWales]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. NFL is a sweeter & more family friendly gig than college gig whether HC or Assistant due to crootin' , school shit , etc... So how reliable is a guy who may only have getting back to the NFL On his mind?

[TheLostDawg]

Why would he go there? Oregon, Auburn, and obviously LSU are looking among others and Brady has some ties to Oregon by being in the Moorhead tree and obviously he coached at LSU. May even get another NFL job as an assistant at worst. It's not like failing in the NFL makes you a leper.

Could also be Moorhead OC though I'm sure there are much better jobs out there. Maybe his safety net but doubt he falls that far. Would be interesting to see what might have been.

[msstate7]

Why? He isn't the brains behind it.... he got way too much credit but kudos to him he made the most of it.

I think he's a good, young coach. He's still only 32. It's Sean's offense, and always will be, but I think good offensive coaches to help Sean out some

[BrunswickDawg]

I've always wondered how much of that offense was Brady and how much of it was Ensminger. Well, most of it was Burrow and company making plays which we agree on. The way it sounded to me was Brady was like a RPO contributor and they basically kind of married that to a collegiate version of Sean Payton's offense. I'm not sure that they really ran that many RPO's a game really though. Probably only 10-20%.

I'll tell you this - a friend of mine played QB for Ensminger at UGA. I saw him at GA/FL in '19 and we ended up talking about Burrow. He said hands down that Ensminger was the best coach he ever had and was the difference in him being an SEC QB and being a great SEC QB and getting drafted. Said he had no doubt in his mind that Ensminger made an impact on Burrow.

[msstate7]

I've always wondered how much of that offense was Brady and how much of it was Ensminger. Well, most of it was Burrow and company making plays which we agree on. The way it sounded to me was Brady was like a RPO contributor and they basically kind of married that to a collegiate version of Sean Payton's offense. I'm not sure that they really ran that many RPO's a game really though. Probably only 10-20%.

Ensminger had brady, chase, Jefferson, and CEH in 2018, and lsu finished 9th in the sec (69th nationally) in total offense. In 2019, they finished #1 in conf and nationally. I'm not sure how you can't give some credit to joe brady.

[TrapGame]

All the OM trolls on Twitter think they're gonna get Brady.

[BrunswickDawg]

Ensminger had brady, chase, Jefferson, and CEH in 2018, and lsu finished 9th in the sec (69th nationally) in total offense. In 2019, they finished #1 in conf and nationally. I'm not sure how you can't give some credit to joe brady.

He didn't say that Brady shouldn't get some credit, just that Ensminger was likely important as well. In '18 CEH & Jefferson were just Sophomores, Chase was a Freshman, and Burrow new to the program. I can see that extra year in the system making a difference, in addition to the apparent synergy that Ensminger and Brady had together combined with a ridiculous amount of NFL talent that was maturing and ready to make the next step.

[msstate7]

He didn't say that Brady shouldn't get some credit, just that Ensminger was likely important as well. In '18 CEH & Jefferson were just Sophomores, Chase was a Freshman, and Burrow new to the program. I can see that extra year in the system making a difference, in addition to the apparent synergy that Ensminger and Brady had together combined with a ridiculous amount of NFL talent that was maturing and ready to make the next step.

2018: 59% run heavy
2019: 52% pass heavy

That's an 11% change, pretty significant.

Burrow passer rating in 2018: 133.21
Burrow passer rating in 2019: 201.96

That's not a normal jump. Do you remember burrow in 2018? He did not look good at all. In 1 year, he looked as good as a college qb as I've saw. I think you have to give brady a ton of credit for that transformation.

[PikeDawg15]

All the OM trolls on Twitter think they're gonna get Brady.

Well they swear now that lebby is staying

[BrunswickDawg]

2018: 59% run heavy
2019: 52% pass heavy

That's an 11% change, pretty significant.

Burrow passer rating in 2018: 133.21
Burrow passer rating in 2019: 201.96

That's not a normal jump. Do you remember burrow in 2018? He did not look good at all. In 1 year, he looked as good as a college qb as I've saw. I think you have to give brady a ton of credit for that transformation.

Again - no one is arguing that Brady doesn't deserve credit - but there is a whole helluva lot more to the development then just Joe Brady. Burrow had 39 career attempts prior to coming to LSU, so a) I'm not surprised at all that he made a big jump from JR. to SR. year, and b) he was also a Graduate player essentially getting his Masters in QB, which we all know can make a huge difference in QB development. And all indications are Burrow and the offense worked their asses off between seasons (when coaching has limited impact). Again, his key players also had another year of work and maturity in the system. And - this is an important piece - the LSU coaches recognized the talent they had in place and made a conscious decision to tailor an offense around it and bring in someone who could help them do it. They also had 14 NFL players drafted that year - 5 of whom are NFL starters on offense (plus 3 more WR drafted in '21)

LSU caught a perfect storm of talent, experience, and coaching that season and to discount any one of those elements as less important than the other is disingenuous. That team was not just about Joe Brady

[Coach34]

Again - no one is arguing that Brady doesn't deserve credit - but there is a whole helluva lot more to the development then just Joe Brady. Burrow had 39 career attempts prior to coming to LSU, so a) I'm not surprised at all that he made a big jump from JR. to SR. year, and b) he was also a Graduate player essentially getting his Masters in QB, which we all know can make a huge difference in QB development. And all indications are Burrow and the offense worked their asses off between seasons (when coaching has limited impact). Again, his key players also had another year of work and maturity in the system. And - this is an important piece - the LSU coaches recognized the talent they had in place and made a conscious decision to tailor an offense around it and bring in someone who could help them do it. They also had 14 NFL players drafted that year - 5 of whom are NFL starters on offense (plus 3 more WR drafted in '21)

LSU caught a perfect storm of talent, experience, and coaching that season and to discount any one of those elements as less important than the other is disingenuous. That team was not just about Joe Brady

It was obviously a combo of both. Ensminger coaching and adding some Brady concepts- along with the players being extremely talented and having another year of experience. Players get better with time and experience. 2015 Dak was a helluva lot better than 2012 Dak. Rogers last half of the season in 2020 vs Rogers last half of the season 2021. Fans too often get caught up thinking all of these great players are great as Freshmen when in actuality they arent.

[msstate7]

Here's a good article on the transformation from '18 to '19.

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-how-joe-burrow-and-the-lsu-offense-went-from-unknown-to-unstoppable

"The LSU program underwent a change in offensive philosophy before the start of 2019 by bringing in the former New Orleans Saints offensive assistant, Joe Brady, to be the new passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach. In his move from New Orleans to Baton Rouge, Brady brought with him the spread offense with West Coast offense roots ? something drastically different from what they were accustomed to. It ultimately paid massive dividends, as they jumped from 53rd in expected points added per play in 2018 to first in 2019 (also known as EPA, expected points added puts yards gained on a play into context like down, distance and field position to give the best measure of per-play efficiency)."

"Brady and offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger put a heavy emphasis on increasing their run-pass option (RPO) from 11.5% in 2018 (over 7% below average) to 22.1% in 2019 (half a percent above average)."

"From last year to this year, LSU?s usage of 11 personnel has increased by nearly 20%, and they've virtually eliminated plays from 10 personnel (10% to 0%) and 21 personnel (22% to .6%) packages. Additionally, Brady and company have nearly wiped out any plays under center this season. Last year, 33% of the Tigers? plays were executed in non-shotgun formations. This year, just over 3% of their plays have not been in shotgun."

"Last year, the Tigers had over 300 dropbacks on which they had six or more pass-blockers, but they lowered that number to just 89 in 2019. Brady hit the nail on the head here. Not only does LSU bring in more EPA per play with five or fewer pass-blockers compared to plays with six or more, but they are allowing a pressure rate that?s 6% less with five pass-blockers."

Brady's fingerprints are all over the transformation.

[msstate7]

And for the record, I never said brady was fully responsible. I said he's a good coach, and that I want him back in New Orleans, and I stand by that.

If brady comes back to college, I expect him to show he's good. I doubt seriously he has a 2019 offense, but he'll get a lot out of what he has.

[Pancho]

All the OM trolls on Twitter think they're gonna get Brady.

As of now I'd say either charlie weis Jr or graham harrell

[TrapGame]

As of now I'd say either charlie weis Jr or graham harrell

I coulda sworn I saw Harrell up for possible OC somewhere else.

[TrapGame]

Cristobal just told some folks he's going after Brady to be his OC at Miami.

[chef dixon]

He probably just wasn't ready for the NFL gig. Its hard to command respect in the NFL when you are 30 years old as a coach. He doesn't have a ton of experience either so I suspect Rhule was observing things he didn't like overall and not just results on the field.

[BrunswickDawg]

And for the record, I never said brady was fully responsible. I said he's a good coach, and that I want him back in New Orleans, and I stand by that.

If brady comes back to college, I expect him to show he's good. I doubt seriously he has a 2019 offense, but he'll get a lot out of what he has.

I do think Brady is talented, but was maybe not ready for prime time.

Or - just to give you shit - like JoeMo at PSU, he benefited greatly from having NFL ready talent at his disposal at the college level. I'm pretty sure you pointed out the talent level at PSU many times while we were witnessing the discombobulated SloMo offense at MSU as being the whole reason the SloMo offense had been effective at PSU. I'm not sure Carolina has NFL ready talent.

[TNDawg35]

I coulda sworn I saw Harrell up for possible OC somewhere else.

There was a rumor at one point he was coming here to be with Leach as an”Coach in waiting”….

[Dak Holliday]

It?s being reported that Brady has a strong relationship with Caleb Williams and OU is pushing to have him pursued for OC to keep him out of the transfer portal.

[msstate7]

It?s being reported that Brady has a strong relationship with Caleb Williams and OU is pushing to have him pursued for OC to keep him out of the transfer portal.

No idea how venables will work out, but brady and him seem like a really good combo

[Dak Holliday]

Agree. Not sure about this, but I heard that Lebby might still be suffering collateral damage from the Baylor fallout. He was there and is married to Briles?s daughter.

[Todd4State]

It was obviously a combo of both. Ensminger coaching and adding some Brady concepts- along with the players being extremely talented and having another year of experience. Players get better with time and experience. 2015 Dak was a helluva lot better than 2012 Dak. Rogers last half of the season in 2020 vs Rogers last half of the season 2021. Fans too often get caught up thinking all of these great players are great as Freshmen when in actuality they arent.

I think experience is the most important thing a team can have. Most of our best teams were junior and senior laden and that's not a coincidence. That's why I would get so frustrated with Dan's recruiting when he would neglect positions for years. Eventually it leads to playing freshmen. And freshmen will play like freshmen.

You are correct though. Fans remember players at their peak and tend to forget what they looked like as players when they first got to campus.


Here's a good article on the transformation from '18 to '19.

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-how-joe-burrow-and-the-lsu-offense-went-from-unknown-to-unstoppable

"The LSU program underwent a change in offensive philosophy before the start of 2019 by bringing in the former New Orleans Saints offensive assistant, Joe Brady, to be the new passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach. In his move from New Orleans to Baton Rouge, Brady brought with him the spread offense with West Coast offense roots ? something drastically different from what they were accustomed to. It ultimately paid massive dividends, as they jumped from 53rd in expected points added per play in 2018 to first in 2019 (also known as EPA, expected points added puts yards gained on a play into context like down, distance and field position to give the best measure of per-play efficiency)."

"Brady and offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger put a heavy emphasis on increasing their run-pass option (RPO) from 11.5% in 2018 (over 7% below average) to 22.1% in 2019 (half a percent above average)."

"From last year to this year, LSU?s usage of 11 personnel has increased by nearly 20%, and they've virtually eliminated plays from 10 personnel (10% to 0%) and 21 personnel (22% to .6%) packages. Additionally, Brady and company have nearly wiped out any plays under center this season. Last year, 33% of the Tigers? plays were executed in non-shotgun formations. This year, just over 3% of their plays have not been in shotgun."

"Last year, the Tigers had over 300 dropbacks on which they had six or more pass-blockers, but they lowered that number to just 89 in 2019. Brady hit the nail on the head here. Not only does LSU bring in more EPA per play with five or fewer pass-blockers compared to plays with six or more, but they are allowing a pressure rate that?s 6% less with five pass-blockers."

Brady's fingerprints are all over the transformation.

No doubt Brady has a lot to do with it.

However, I have a feeling that the media probably overstates it because it's a better "story" for some young whiz kid to come in and show the curmudgeons how to do things with a new idea and then beat people like Saban with it. Same story as Moneyball. The only way to truly know is for someone that was on the team to confirm what happened. A media member just throwing stats out there and making a claim doesn't mean it's truly factual.

I think:

1. Brady should get some credit but the media likely gives him a little too much. I think his role was more of as a consultant than anything.

2. Ensminger probably doesn't get enough credit. Especially since he was willing to adapt at the very least.

3. LSU having a ton of experienced players who are uber talented at the same time is the biggest reason for the improvement.