The Reason I wouldn't Extend Mike Leach

[Randolph Dupree]

Gonna take some heat for this but here goes

If I'm Cohen I don't give Leach an extension. Reason being, I expect to beat (teams like) Memphis every year. I expect to beat Mississippi every year.

The argument: but we beat A&M and Auburn (I expect to beat UK BTW) this year as upsets.

Rebuttal: we are 50/50 vs A&M and Auburn since 2010ish and I expect to win those half the time. Yes, they were favored but they are always favored. Historically, Since 2010ish we beat them 50% of the time so
you're keeping pace there.

Argument: it will hurt recruiting

Rebuttal: you could step that up too.

Note: I believe we're heading in the right direction but sometimes you need to draw the line.

[MetEdDawg]

You are wrong.

You can't expect to beat Ole Miss every year. I can expect the delivery man to give me $100 every day. Doesn't mean it's going to happen or should happen or is reasonable. You can expect to beat a Memphis every year. I'm cool with that. But even the elite teams don't win their rivalry game every year. So expecting that is ridiculous.

Leach gets an extension because he's shown improvement and beat 3 ranked teams. Recruiting is in a good spot and he's changed the culture to one that consistently competes and never quits. We have a tough football program right now and that's directly related to Mike Leach.

He gets an extension.

[Quaoarsking]

Every retained head coach should always get an extension. You don't send a public message of unconfidence like that.

[ScoobaDawg]

Every retained head coach should always get an extension. You don't send a public message of unconfidence like that.

Exactly. The 4 year ms limit already works against us enough.

[bigplayslay]

Gonna take some heat for this but here goes

If I'm Cohen I don't give Leach an extension. Reason being, I expect to beat (teams like) Memphis every year. I expect to beat Mississippi every year.

The argument: but we beat A&M and Auburn (I expect to beat UK BTW) this year as upsets.

Rebuttal: we are 50/50 vs A&M and Auburn since 2010ish and I expect to win those half the time. Yes, they were favored but they are always favored. Historically, Since 2010ish we beat them 50% of the time so
you're keeping pace there.

Argument: it will hurt recruiting

Rebuttal: you could step that up too.

Note: I believe we're heading in the right direction but sometimes you need to draw the line.

Pretty dumb post tbh. We got straight cheated out of the Memphis game and we dropped 3 touchdown passes and missed 2 field goals tonight. Not to mention lashley forgot how to block.

[Randolph Dupree]

You are wrong.

You can't expect to beat Ole Miss every year. I can expect the delivery man to give me $100 every day. Doesn't mean it's going to happen or should happen or is reasonable. You can expect to beat a Memphis every year. I'm cool with that. But even the elite teams don't win their rivalry game every year. So expecting that is ridiculous.

Leach gets an extension because he's shown improvement and beat 3 ranked teams. Recruiting is in a good spot and he's changed the culture to one that consistently competes and never quits. We have a tough football program right now and that's directly related to Mike Leach.

He gets an extension.

I don't realistically expect to win against UM every year, not even every other year; but you need to build up some credit first. Leach hasn't done that. I do agree that everything is headed in the right direction but there a lot of work to in recruiting (I think we get there)...I believe you need to set expectations and money talks.

[Randolph Dupree]

Pretty dumb post tbh. We got straight cheated out of the Memphis game and we dropped 3 touchdown passes and missed 2 field goals tonight. Not to mention lashley forgot how to block.

Lashley hasn't blocked all year and is a penalty machine, but he's the best we have there. Can't leave Memphis up to the refs.

[MetEdDawg]

I don't realistically expect to win against UM every year, not even every other year; but you need to build up some credit first. Leach hasn't done that. I do agree that everything is headed in the right direction but there a lot of work to in recruiting (I think we get there)...I believe you need to set expectations and money talks.

If this game meant as much as you think it does, Moorhead would still be our coach.

What our program looks like in its entirety is far more important.

Leach in 2 years took the mess Moorhead left us and has turned us into a program that has 3 ranked wins, went undefeated on the road in the SEC, has a team that refuses to quit, and is winning recruiting battles. Plus his sophomore Qb just rewrote every passing record in our school's history and will have him 2nd all time in passing yards in a season in the SEC.

Dude proved it can work here and has a program that's tough and competes every week. It's going to take more than 2 years to undo what Moorhead did. But Leach ha done a hell of a job getting it to where it needs to be. We were picked by basics every major publication to finish last in the west and we played a game tonight that would have given us 2nd place.

Did we mess up this year? Sure. Hopefully we learn from it and see changes in the right spots. But the future is bright under Leach.

[lastmajordog]

What do you do If Leach looses to om 4 straight years?????

[bigplayslay]

Lashley hasn't blocked all year and is a penalty machine, but he's the best we have there. Can't leave Memphis up to the refs.

So we?re gonna sit here and act like any other coach we?ve had or could get would come back from 28-3 and beat a ranked A&M team on the road easily? Come on.

[Activated Alpha]

If this game meant as much as you think it does, Moorhead would still be our coach.

What our program looks like in its entirety is far more important.

Leach in 2 years took the mess Moorhead left us and has turned us into a program that has 3 ranked wins, went undefeated on the road in the SEC, has a team that refuses to quit, and is winning recruiting battles. Plus his sophomore Qb just rewrote every passing record in our school's history and will have him 2nd all time in passing yards in a season in the SEC.

Dude proved it can work here and has a program that's tough and competes every week. It's going to take more than 2 years to undo what Moorhead did. But Leach ha done a hell of a job getting it to where it needs to be. We were picked by basics every major publication to finish last in the west and we played a game tonight that would have given us 2nd place.

Did we mess up this year? Sure. Hopefully we learn from it and see changes in the right spots. But the future is bright under Leach.

We weren?t undefeated on the road btw

[Apoplectic]

Gonna take some heat for this but here goes

If I'm Cohen I don't give Leach an extension. Reason being, I expect to beat (teams like) Memphis every year. I expect to beat Mississippi every year.

The argument: but we beat A&M and Auburn (I expect to beat UK BTW) this year as upsets.

Rebuttal: we are 50/50 vs A&M and Auburn since 2010ish and I expect to win those half the time. Yes, they were favored but they are always favored. Historically, Since 2010ish we beat them 50% of the time so
you're keeping pace there.

Argument: it will hurt recruiting

Rebuttal: you could step that up too.

Note: I believe we're heading in the right direction but sometimes you need to draw the line.

Go to bed fool

[Cooterpoot]

I'm not a huge Leach homer like some, but he should get an extension. We improved enough to warrant that.

[Quaoarsking]

What do you do If Leach looses to om 4 straight years?????

Depends on what happens in the other 48 games

[Randolph Dupree]

If this game meant as much as you think it does, Moorhead would still be our coach.

What our program looks like in its entirety is far more important.

Leach in 2 years took the mess Moorhead left us and has turned us into a program that has 3 ranked wins, went undefeated on the road in the SEC, has a team that refuses to quit, and is winning recruiting battles. Plus his sophomore Qb just rewrote every passing record in our school's history and will have him 2nd all time in passing yards in a season in the SEC.

Dude proved it can work here and has a program that's tough and competes every week. It's going to take more than 2 years to undo what Moorhead did. But Leach ha done a hell of a job getting it to where it needs to be. We were picked by basics every major publication to finish last in the west and we played a game tonight that would have given us 2nd place.

Did we mess up this year? Sure. Hopefully we learn from it and see changes in the right spots. But the future is bright under Leach.
Dude, we're picked last every year. Yea we messed up, I'm not saying dude didn't do a decent
Job. What I'm saying is for $5M leach needs to step it up and win what he's supposed to and pull an upset here or there. ...Pretty much what we hired him to do. Not saying you fire him. Hell, LSU sucks ass this year, not penalizing him for losing that...

[Dak Holliday]

I?m not a big fan of Leach, but if he?s not being fired, WE need him to be extended unless you want a lame duck HC out there losing recruiting battles.

[Liverpooldawg]

You are wrong.

You can't expect to beat Ole Miss every year. I can expect the delivery man to give me $100 every day. Doesn't mean it's going to happen or should happen or is reasonable. You can expect to beat a Memphis every year. I'm cool with that. But even the elite teams don't win their rivalry game every year. So expecting that is ridiculous.

Leach gets an extension because he's shown improvement and beat 3 ranked teams. Recruiting is in a good spot and he's changed the culture to one that consistently competes and never quits. We have a tough football program right now and that's directly related to Mike Leach.

He gets an extension.

I wouldn't. I agree we can't expect to beat UM EVERY year. But he has YET to beat them. We can't fire him this year, but you DAMN sure don't reward him for having NEVER beaten the Confederate bastards. He should NEVER get an extension till he beats them.

[Liverpooldawg]

I?m not a big fan of Leach, but if he?s not being fired, WE need him to be extended unless you want a lame duck HC out there losing recruiting battles.

If he never beats them we are going to lose those battles anyway. I don't think, given his quotes and demeanor this week and on the sidelines tonight, he really cares one way or another. We are his retirement income.

[MetEdDawg]

I wouldn't. I agree we can't expect to beat UM EVERY year. But he has YET to beat them. We can't fire him this year, but you DAMN sure don't reward him for having NEVER beaten the Confederate bastards. He should NEVER get an extension till he beats them.

This is such a bad take. So if he goes 9-3 or 10-2 with a loss to them, no extension? We fire him? Because we were about 6 points away from that being a reality this year.

The amount of ridiculousness that pops up after losses is mind blowing. If we go 5-7 next year but beat Ole Miss, will that make you happier?

People calling for him to never get an extension until he beats Ole Miss have zero clue about how this stuff works. Yeah let's set a precedent! That will teach him to value this game more! Yeah no extension unless you win this game!

I would take 10-2 every year for the next 5 years with Egg Bowl losses every year than 7-5 or 8-4 and we win some Egg Bowls. This game is important, but it's not nearly as important as some of y'all are making it out to be.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

These aren?t excuses, but the two egg losses have caveats. We had 40 players last year. The sharks had an all time team this year with first round QB and we still could have beat them. Now, if nothing funny happens next years with injuries or such, we should expect to beat OM

[Liverpooldawg]

If this game meant as much as you think it does, Moorhead would still be our coach.

What our program looks like in its entirety is far more important.

Leach in 2 years took the mess Moorhead left us and has turned us into a program that has 3 ranked wins, went undefeated on the road in the SEC, has a team that refuses to quit, and is winning recruiting battles. Plus his sophomore Qb just rewrote every passing record in our school's history and will have him 2nd all time in passing yards in a season in the SEC.

Dude proved it can work here and has a program that's tough and competes every week. It's going to take more than 2 years to undo what Moorhead did. But Leach ha done a hell of a job getting it to where it needs to be. We were picked by basics every major publication to finish last in the west and we played a game tonight that would have given us 2nd place.

Did we mess up this year? Sure. Hopefully we learn from it and see changes in the right spots. But the future is bright under Leach.

The thing is, Joe won both of his games against the Confederate bastards. He had moved beyond them, for a year or so at least. Leach has yet to do it even ONCE, the absolute prerequisite to doing anything at all at MSU. If Leach doesn't beat them next year, he HAS to go. Anyone that would defend him if we lose to them next year does NOT have MSU's best interest at heart.

[Liverpooldawg]

This is such a bad take. So if he goes 9-3 or 10-2 with a loss to them, no extension? We fire him? Because we were about 6 points away from that being a reality this year.

The amount of ridiculousness that pops up after losses is mind blowing. If we go 5-7 next year but beat Ole Miss, will that make you happier?

People calling for him to never get an extension until he beats Ole Miss have zero clue about how this stuff works. Yeah let's set a precedent! That will teach him to value this game more! Yeah no extension unless you win this game!

I would take 10-2 every year for the next 5 years with Egg Bowl losses every year than 7-5 or 8-4 and we win some Egg Bowls. This game is important, but it's not nearly as important as some of y'all are making it out to be.

LOL, no you wouldn't, not if you live in Mississippi and are old enough to remember what losing to them year after year means. I know you actually mean what you said intellectually. But if you ACTUALLY think that through......Emotionally, esp if you live in Mississippi, you would change your tune long before that happened. REALISTICLY, if that were to happen, it would probably mean much more misery than just 5 straight. They would freaking OWN head to head recruiting in Mississippi if it happened. Your statement is just damn nuts.

[Todd4State]

The solution is extension with no raise.

[Commercecomet24]

In the last 30 years we've beat om 16 times which means we're almost .500 against each other over that span and that's probably the way it's gonna be for the foreseeable future. I hate om and wish we could win every year but that's not realistic nor is it realistic for them to expect to beat us every year. We're just to evenly matched year in and year out now.

[Liverpooldawg]

The solution is extension with no raise.

The solution is no extension. He HAS to be made to know what this game means. His demeanor tonight absolutely proves he could care less. His past record in real rivalry games is absolutely damning. WSU may have been fine with beating Washington once in 8 years. Losing to the Confederates 7 out of 8 years HERE, is totally unacceptable. If we don't beat the Confederates next year he HAS to go. Extending his contract this year is a waste of money till he proves he isn't what he has always been.

[Liverpooldawg]

In the last 30 years we've beat om 16 times which means we're almost .500 against each other over that span and that's probably the way it's gonna be for the foreseeable future. I hate om and wish we could win every year but that's not realistic nor is it realistic for them to expect to beat us every year. We're just to evenly matched year in and year out now.

Leach is .000 against them.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

At the end of the day, wins and losses are all that matters. But can we use a little context with the last two egg bowls? We had 40 players last year. This year, the sharks have a 1st round QB and one of their best teams ever. Now if we lose next year, it gets uncomfortable. We should be better than them next year.

[Bothrops]

Leach won't beat Ole Miss next year if Kiffin stays. And I think Kiffin stays

[Liverpooldawg]

At the end of the day, wins and losses are all that matters. But can we use a little context with the last two egg bowls? We had 40 players last year. This year, the sharks have a 1st round QB and one of their best teams ever. Now if we lose next year, it gets uncomfortable. We should be better than them next year.

But we have to beat them. I actually think over this last month, till tonight, we were the better team. If they beat us next year Leach HAS to go, PERIOD. And if he has to go, his boss can't be allowed ANY input when it comes to the new hire. If HE has to go to make that happen, then he has to go.

[Todd4State]

The solution is no extension. He HAS to be made to know what this game means. His demeanor tonight absolutely proves he could care less. His past record in real rivalry games is absolutely damning. WSU may have been fine with beating Washington once in 8 years. Losing to the Confederates 7 out of 8 years HERE, is totally unacceptable. If we don't beat the Confederates next year he HAS to go. Extending his contract this year is a waste of money till he proves he isn't what he has always been.

Ask Ole Miss how doing that with Mike Bianco for not beating us has worked. It absolutely set back their recruiting and will set their program back.

[Todd4State]

The solution is no extension. He HAS to be made to know what this game means. His demeanor tonight absolutely proves he could care less. His past record in real rivalry games is absolutely damning. WSU may have been fine with beating Washington once in 8 years. Losing to the Confederates 7 out of 8 years HERE, is totally unacceptable. If we don't beat the Confederates next year he HAS to go. Extending his contract this year is a waste of money till he proves he isn't what he has always been.

Well we're only a quarter of the way there. I do agree he needs to beat them but I'm not going to worry about it until we lose again. Especially given the circumstances. We should be much more experienced and the better team next year.

[Liverpooldawg]

Ask Ole Miss how doing that with Mike Bianco for not beating us has worked. It absolutely set back their recruiting and will set their program back.

Last time I looked that one has been about even, or perhaps in our favor.

[Todd4State]

Leach won't beat Ole Miss next year if Kiffin stays. And I think Kiffin stays

I don't know. Kiffin usually has a couple of good years and then wears out his welcome at some point. Usually that's year three if he hasn't left like he did at Tennessee or piss off Al Davis.

I thought that were pretty vanilla. Lots of orbit motions screens and runs for the most part. The key is they don't turn the ball over. I think tonight was like Corral's third INT all year. That's like a half for Mike Henig. They also have a veteran o-line and that helps a lot too.

[Liverpooldawg]

Well we're only a quarter of the way there. I do agree he needs to beat them but I'm not going to worry about it until we lose again. Especially given the circumstances. We should be much more experienced and the better team next year.

I agree. If he doesn't beat them nest year he HAS to go, and he will. When it comes to this game, circumstances really don't matter. You either win it or you don't. Football ain't baseball.

[Liverpooldawg]

I don't know. Kiffin usually has a couple of good years and then wears out his welcome at some point. Usually that's year three if he hasn't left like he did at Tennessee or piss off Al Davis.

I thought that were pretty vanilla. Lots of orbit motions screens and runs for the most part. The key is they don't turn the ball over. I think tonight was like Corral's third INT all year. That's like a half for Mike Henig. They also have a veteran o-line and that helps a lot too.

They turned it over once, we had no turnovers.

[Todd4State]

They turned it over once, we had no turnovers.

Correct but I'm speaking of more of the season as a whole rather than one game. Turnovers help you to lose games. We're already pretty good at it ourselves but Ole Miss is better at not turning the ball over than we are.

[Cooterpoot]

In the last 30 years we've beat om 16 times which means we're almost .500 against each other over that span and that's probably the way it's gonna be for the foreseeable future. I hate om and wish we could win every year but that's not realistic nor is it realistic for them to expect to beat us every year. We're just to evenly matched year in and year out now.

Guess how long it's been since we lost 3 straight. Guess how long it's been since an OM coach won his first two vs us.
Leach's offense can win 7 games here and there, but we're going to get a ton of these games. We're lucky we didn't lose to LaTech and AU too. Both games where we fell way behind. Not sure we beat AU if Nix doesn't get hurt. There's definitely concern with Leach and his offense. He doesn't deserve a raise. He does deserve an extension (even if I'd like to punch him in the face right now).

[Duckdog]

Some of yall post post dumbest shit

[99jc]

Gonna take some heat for this but here goes

If I'm Cohen I don't give Leach an extension. Reason being, I expect to beat (teams like) Memphis every year. I expect to beat Mississippi every year.

The argument: but we beat A&M and Auburn (I expect to beat UK BTW) this year as upsets.

Rebuttal: we are 50/50 vs A&M and Auburn since 2010ish and I expect to win those half the time. Yes, they were favored but they are always favored. Historically, Since 2010ish we beat them 50% of the time so
you're keeping pace there.

Argument: it will hurt recruiting

Rebuttal: you could step that up too.

Note: I believe we're heading in the right direction but sometimes you need to draw the line.

YAWN....go back under your rock!

[Randolph Dupree]

The solution is extension with no raise.

I can get on board with this. The point was always about setting expectations. We had a great win at Auburn, we had a great win at TAMU but you lost to Memphis (refs or not) and you lost two in a row to your rival. For all the good you had, you had some bad too.

[Cowbell]

Here Be the two problems with your assessment:
1. There are multiple P5 jobs open now that would love to have Leach. Texas Tech is gonna throw everything they have at him to get him back (I have solid sources). Don't be an idiot.
2. Leach is not the reason we lost tonight. We are the youngest team in the league. Period. And we still don't have enough OL to run his scheme. Don't be an idiot.

[MetEdDawg]

LOL, no you wouldn't, not if you live in Mississippi and are old enough to remember what losing to them year after year means. I know you actually mean what you said intellectually. But if you ACTUALLY think that through......Emotionally, esp if you live in Mississippi, you would change your tune long before that happened. REALISTICLY, if that were to happen, it would probably mean much more misery than just 5 straight. They would freaking OWN head to head recruiting in Mississippi if it happened. Your statement is just damn nuts.

I'll tell you what's nuts. Placing a mans career on 1 game no matter what he does prior. You're telling me that being 10-2 and losing to Ole Miss is a fireable offense at MSU. That's absolutely crazy.

Do I want to win this game badly? Absolutely. But if you're context is screw everyone else win this game next year or you're fired no matter what, then I don't know what to tell you.

All of you guys clamoring fire the hell out of everybody usually don't have to do that in real life and don't have to deal with the repercussions of having to do that. You can't just always fire everybody. But some wanted to keep Moorhead because he beat OM even though our program was a dumpster fire. I'll take Leach every day over Moorhead.

If we suck next year and lose the Egg Bowl then this is a different discussion. But don't act like you would really fire a coach that goes 9-3 at MSU with an Egg Bowl loss because you wouldn't.

[madkin91991]

I'll tell you what's nuts. Placing a mans career on 1 game no matter what he does prior. You're telling me that being 10-2 and losing to Ole Miss is a fireable offense at MSU. That's absolutely crazy.

Do I want to win this game badly? Absolutely. But if you're context is screw everyone else win this game next year or you're fired no matter what, then I don't know what to tell you.

All of you guys clamoring fire the hell out of everybody usually don't have to do that in real life and don't have to deal with the repercussions of having to do that. You can't just always fire everybody. But some wanted to keep Moorhead because he beat OM even though our program was a dumpster fire. I'll take Leach every day over Moorhead.

If we suck next year and lose the Egg Bowl then this is a different discussion. But don't act like you would really fire a coach that goes 9-3 at MSU with an Egg Bowl loss because you wouldn't.

Agree

[DAWG1903]

This is such a bad take. So if he goes 9-3 or 10-2 with a loss to them, no extension? We fire him? Because we were about 6 points away from that being a reality this year.

The amount of ridiculousness that pops up after losses is mind blowing. If we go 5-7 next year but beat Ole Miss, will that make you happier?

People calling for him to never get an extension until he beats Ole Miss have zero clue about how this stuff works. Yeah let's set a precedent! That will teach him to value this game more! Yeah no extension unless you win this game!

I would take 10-2 every year for the next 5 years with Egg Bowl losses every year than 7-5 or 8-4 and we win some Egg Bowls. This game is important, but it's not nearly as important as some of y'all are making it out to be.

This all day everyday! For us to improve our overall Football Program - it has to be bigger than TSUN. Otherwise we are just who they say we are "Little Brother."

[TNDawg35]

So some of y’all are pissed cause we went 7-5, after some of y’all said we wouldn’t win 5 games, and lost to a OM team who is one of their best teams ever, who is going to the Sugar Bowl. Who we had a chance to beat…

Y’all are right…. FIRE Leach*** 17n morons….

[WinningIsRelentless]

Leach will get an extension and a raise. If I were Cohen and I was planning to raise him to 6.5MM I would probably only raise him to 6.2MM and put a 300M bonus on winning the egg bowl.

[bluelightstar]

Here Be the two problems with your assessment:
1. There are multiple P5 jobs open now that would love to have Leach. Texas Tech is gonna throw everything they have at him to get him back (I have solid sources). Don't be an idiot.
2. Leach is not the reason we lost tonight. We are the youngest team in the league. Period. And we still don't have enough OL to run his scheme. Don't be an idiot.

Your solid sources did not tell you Tech already hired a coach?

And we lost this game, IMO, because our Qb is still far too inconsistent and we have nothing to turn to when he?s off.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Your solid sources did not tell you Tech already hired a coach?

And we lost this game, IMO, because our Qb is still far too inconsistent and we have nothing to turn to when he?s off.

That’s part of it. Wills physical skill set does leave for a very small margin of error. If he could avoid a sack it would help a lot. He does a good job most of the time but he has a ways to go. Will and the offense just regressed to where they were at the start of the season.

[Percho]

If this game meant as much as you think it does, Moorhead would still be our coach.

What our program looks like in its entirety is far more important.

Leach in 2 years took the mess Moorhead left us and has turned us into a program that has 3 ranked wins, went undefeated on the road in the SEC, has a team that refuses to quit, and is winning recruiting battles. Plus his sophomore Qb just rewrote every passing record in our school's history and will have him 2nd all time in passing yards in a season in the SEC.

Dude proved it can work here and has a program that's tough and competes every week. It's going to take more than 2 years to undo what Moorhead did. But Leach ha done a hell of a job getting it to where it needs to be. We were picked by basics every major publication to finish last in the west and we played a game tonight that would have given us 2nd place.

Did we mess up this year? Sure. Hopefully we learn from it and see changes in the right spots. But the future is bright under Leach.

And I will add, I believe Covid really hindered us because the system is so rep dependent and I bet we missed a lot of reps last year.

[Percho]

This is such a bad take. So if he goes 9-3 or 10-2 with a loss to them, no extension? We fire him? Because we were about 6 points away from that being a reality this year.

The amount of ridiculousness that pops up after losses is mind blowing. If we go 5-7 next year but beat Ole Miss, will that make you happier?

People calling for him to never get an extension until he beats Ole Miss have zero clue about how this stuff works. Yeah let's set a precedent! That will teach him to value this game more! Yeah no extension unless you win this game!

I would take 10-2 every year for the next 5 years with Egg Bowl losses every year than 7-5 or 8-4 and we win some Egg Bowls. This game is important, but it's not nearly as important as some of y'all are making it out to be.

If old Liver was AD we would have a new FB coach every two years. In about six to eight years we would be down to Hud.

[Percho]

The solution is extension with no raise.

What about extension with added incentive of 250,000 or what ever if you win the egg?

[Percho]

Some of yall post post dumbest shit

Forrest Gump says, "

[Randolph Dupree]

What about extension with added incentive of 250,000 or what ever if you win the egg?

I think the idea of extending without a raise is kind of the incentive. Meet the expectations (win what you're supposed to and beat your rival a reasonable % of the time) and extension plus a raise.

FWIW, a lot of talk in this thread about firing a coach. That was never my intent and if I implied it, I didn't mean to. For me it's about setting clear expectations and not getting caught up in a few feel good wins. It's about standing back, looking at the whole season. I like Todd's idea of extension without a raise better than my original thought.

[Dak Holliday]

The solution is extension with no raise.

I want to like this, but I fear that this would be as bad as no extension. Leach looks like he could get petty pretty quickly.

[Dak Holliday]

I'll tell you what's nuts. Placing a mans career on 1 game no matter what he does prior. You're telling me that being 10-2 and losing to Ole Miss is a fireable offense at MSU. That's absolutely crazy.

Do I want to win this game badly? Absolutely. But if you're context is screw everyone else win this game next year or you're fired no matter what, then I don't know what to tell you.

All of you guys clamoring fire the hell out of everybody usually don't have to do that in real life and don't have to deal with the repercussions of having to do that. You can't just always fire everybody. But some wanted to keep Moorhead because he beat OM even though our program was a dumpster fire. I'll take Leach every day over Moorhead.

If we suck next year and lose the Egg Bowl then this is a different discussion. But don't act like you would really fire a coach that goes 9-3 at MSU with an Egg Bowl loss because you wouldn't.

The EB say all end all has to stop. Regardless of how it ended last night, Kiffin was getting offered a raise and extension

[donald igwebuike]

This is pretty much the best post on ED in like 15.4 months. This team requires patience to build.

[WhiskeyPirate]

This is pretty much the best post on ED in like 15.4 months. This team requires patience to build.

Exactly

So much of a coaching transition is what did the roster look like before you take the job and what system did they run. When leach, Pittman, drinkwitz and Kiffin were all being interviewed......I guarantee much of the decision-especially by Kiffin- was what do they have on the roster, how easy and quick is the turnaround going to be. Arkansas was a mess. They got Pittman to take it but leach and Kiffin said no, and IMO it was because they wanted more money to turn around a dumpster fire.

So you have to give them time to implement their system and get their players.

Kiffin would not being doing as well as Pittman at Arkansas IMO. Take Corrall away from ole miss and you’ll start to see a lot of problems with that team.

[Commercecomet24]

Here Be the two problems with your assessment:
1. There are multiple P5 jobs open now that would love to have Leach. Texas Tech is gonna throw everything they have at him to get him back (I have solid sources). Don't be an idiot.
2. Leach is not the reason we lost tonight. We are the youngest team in the league. Period. And we still don't have enough OL to run his scheme. Don't be an idiot.

Uh Texas Tech hired a coach 2
Weeks ago. You need better sources.

[Commercecomet24]

So some of y’all are pissed cause we went 7-5, after some of y’all said we wouldn’t win 5 games, and lost to a OM team who is one of their best teams ever, who is going to the Sugar Bowl. Who we had a chance to beat…

Y’all are right…. FIRE Leach*** 17n morons….

It's over reaction Friday.

[TNDawg35]

Uh Texas Tech hired a coach 2
Weeks ago. You need better sources.

Like I said, 17 morons…

Everyone wants to be the to break news or tell everyone else something…

[Commercecomet24]

Like I said, 17 morons…

Everyone wants to be the to break news or tell everyone else something…

Yeah I just don't get it why people have to do this kinda crap. Smh.

[TrapGame]

Uh Texas Tech hired a coach 2
Weeks ago. You need better sources.

A guy that was associate head coach and outside linebackers coach at Baylor. His claim to fame is being name Mr. Texas Football in high school? and then went to UT Arlington.

That?s a far cry from getting Mike Leach. Mike Leach is an elite level coach that is setting the table for the most talented team he has ever coached.

[Commercecomet24]

A guy that was associate head coach and outside linebackers coach at Baylor. His claim to fame is being name Mr. Texas Football in high school? and then went to UT Arlington.

That?s a far cry from getting Mike Leach. Mike Leach is an elite level coach that is setting the table for the most talented team he has ever coached.

Yeah I laughed when I saw who they hired after seeing people on here saying Leach was in the running. I had never even heard of the guy tt hired. They some gullible folks running around.

[BeardoMSU]

It's over reaction Friday.

Cowbell talkin' to his "sources".**


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZfdFoQg13U&ab_channel=JimmyTwothousanten

[Commercecomet24]

Cowbell talkin' to his "sources".**


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZfdFoQg13U&ab_channel=JimmyTwothousanten

Awesome!

[bobcat91]

Brutal takes. When you look at the money and contract years being thrown out, we are getting a top 10 winning coach for a little of nothing. We were a complete rebuild before bringing in an entire new system and having to bring in the right personnel. Give him a raise and extension. And get on board or get left behind. Too many get too damn emotional about the Egg Bowl.

[BeardoMSU]

Too many get too damn emotional about the Egg Bowl.

The rest of your post was also good, but this especially rings true. I mean, some were talking the Dan Mullen talking point about how 1-11 is better than 11-1 as long as the 1 win is OM.

Chess vs checkers.
War vs battle.
Forrest vs trees.

We have improved tremendously since last year; hell, since the start of this year. It sucks balls we lost to OM last night, but holy shit, guys.

[Commercecomet24]

The rest of your post was also good, but this especially rings true. I mean, some were talking the Dan Mullen talking point about how 1-11 is better than 11-1 as long as the 1 win is OM.

Chess vs checkers.
War vs battle.
Forrest vs trees.

We have improved tremendously since last year; hell, since the start of this year. It sucks balls we lost to OM last night, but holy shit, guys.

Amen to this! I hate losing to those turds but as you said, holy crap, guys!

[yjnkdawg]

An extension without any kind of raise would be like slapping CML in the face. We want to give you an extension but we don't think you have done enough to deserve a raise because you didn't accomplish what some keyboard coaches on a message board think you could have done. That's no solution. Give an extension with some type of raise (incentive).

I'm sure glad some on this message board don't make actual r/l decisions concerning our football program because if they did our football program would really be screwed up.

[yjnkdawg]

DELETE

[TrapGame]

The rest of your post was also good, but this especially rings true. I mean, some were talking the Dan Mullen talking point about how 1-11 is better than 11-1 as long as the 1 win is OM.

Chess vs checkers.
War vs battle.
Forrest vs trees.

We have improved tremendously since last year; hell, since the start of this year. It sucks balls we lost to OM last night, but holy shit, guys.

Great post Beardo.

[yjnkdawg]

The rest of your post was also good, but this especially rings true. I mean, some were talking the Dan Mullen talking point about how 1-11 is better than 11-1 as long as the 1 win is OM.

Chess vs checkers.
War vs battle.
Forrest vs trees.

We have improved tremendously since last year; hell, since the start of this year. It sucks balls we lost to OM last night, but holy shit, guys.



Great post and I agree.