It's time for a change.

[SaintDawg]

I did not watch the game this evening. I was passing out Halloween candy at a friend?s neighborhood party where the kids were out and about trick ?r treatin?. I kept up with it on my phone.

I saw the stats and I watched several highlights. 92% pass completion is insane; even for the NFL.

The offense had great balance from the run and the pass. Defense was all over the place. Bodies flying. Sideline to sideline.
We all have our opinions. Good and bad. Our fanbase has ALOT of savvy as far as understanding what occurs on the football field. Most of the time things said on this board are said with our hearts and not with our heads. Understandably so. We are an up and down team in football and other sports. We all get mad and say stuff we don?t really mean. That being said, I believe something changed tonight.

Leach ran the ball more than ever before, and it made the pass more successful than ever before. I hope that the corner has been turned in using the air raid offense. Some will disagree and pick apart this post and that?s fine. I don?t know everything and don?t have all the answers. Just an opinion. BUT, if we continue to improve like this, there is something to be said about the M over S on the helmets.

I believe it inspired the team. They seemed to reach down and grab another gear. Call it luck or superstition or whatever. That logo, that design, has a national title attached to it. Our baseball team that we all hold so dear to our souls achieved the ultimate goal. These kids who come to State come to this school because they love it and believe in it and not solely because they feel it will get them to the next level in pro sports. They know it will get them to the next level in life. They need to be inspired athletically and academically to do that. If that M over S is on everything that they play for and strive for, be it success on the field of play or success in life, they will give 111% every day. In every game, every class, every test they face.

The M over S needs to be the official logo of the school. The Walking Bulldog and the Rocket M need to be used more. They are unique and iconic to our school. The banner M is drab, generic and needs to be retired.

It may seem like a trivial thing to some. Many will argue it should remain with baseball only and they have their opinion, but everyone in the nation knows a maroon and white M over S is the Mississippi State University, and I, for one, would like to keep it that way. Then all will know and will never forget exactly who we are.

Hail State.

[Commercecomet24]

Well said.

[Cooterpoot]

The flying M is horrible. Probably our worst logo ever. I think it's worse than the banner M that I hate. And walking Bully, that's so old it's comical. A dog in a damn turtle neck? Come on..

[SaintDawg]

The flying M is horrible. Probably our worst logo ever. I think it's worse than the banner M that I hate. And walking Bully, that's so old it's comical. A dog in a damn turtle neck? Come on..

The Rocket M/Flying M does take some getting used to. I like it only because it's different. The Walking Bulldog has been very dear to me since I was a child. The running
bulldog with the State flag is an original too.
I would like to see the school go with an image that has been with the school for years. I do miss the diagonal MSU, but I'm afraid we cant get that back.

[RougeDawg]

Whatever wins I?m for. Not disrespecting your post. Spot on my friend.

Side note. Handing out candy and interacting with kids will always make you think more clearly. Just ask a kid any question. Beardo will probably block their response.

[Tater]

The flying M is horrible. Probably our worst logo ever. I think it's worse than the banner M that I hate. And walking Bully, that's so old it's comical. A dog in a damn turtle neck? Come on..

Flying M matches with Air Raid but doesn't have timeless appeal like MoverS. But to me those uniforms were fire.

Walking Bully is good for fan clothing and flags and the ilk. It should not be used as a helmet logo. Fact of the matter is we're 2-0 when not wearing the banner M under Leach. I'm not superstitious but i am a little stitious.

[SaintDawg]

Flying M matches with Air Raid but doesn't have timeless appeal like MoverS. But to me those uniforms were fire.

Walking Bully is good for fan clothing and flags and the ilk. It should not be used as a helmet logo. Fact of the matter is we're 2-0 when not wearing the banner M under Leach. I'm not superstitious but i am a little stitious.
I can agree about Walking Bully/Flag Bully with fan schwag/clothing this and that. Maybe put Rocket M/Flying M on the shoulder? Pant leg?

[Maroonthirteen]

If you think the banner M should be replaced, you haven't been to campus in a while. That would be a million $ project to remove it from every inch of campus. The point is, evidently those in charge feel the banner M and woodmark Mississippi State are THE logos and will be used for years. Banner M and woodmark logo obviously market better.

Also, football deserves it own identity. The MoverS is a nice baseball logo. Let football have their own logo. Create a new helmet decal. Just don't use the MoverS unless you want to tell the nation we are a baseball school mainly.

[R2Dawg]

If you think the banner M should be replaced, you haven't been to campus in a while. That would be a million $ project to remove it from every inch of campus. The point is, evidently those in charge feel the banner M and woodmark Mississippi State are THE logos and will be used for years. Banner M and woodmark logo obviously market better.

Also, football deserves it own identity. The MoverS is a nice baseball logo. Let football have their own logo. Create a new helmet decal. Just don't use the MoverS unless you want to tell the nation we are a baseball school mainly.

To your last comment, one other thought. The MoverS on football could go one of two ways. Either it puts more pressure on football to be a winning brand like baseball or it can also make baseball look bad. Right now MoverS is special in baseball. This is not a for or against post, just an observation.

I thought it looked pretty dang good on the helmets - similar to my favorite MSU one.

[Hambone]

What will the melt down be when we trot those gold M over S in the eggbowl?

[Santiago]

If you think the banner M should be replaced, you haven't been to campus in a while. That would be a million $ project to remove it from every inch of campus. The point is, evidently those in charge feel the banner M and woodmark Mississippi State are THE logos and will be used for years. Banner M and woodmark logo obviously market better.

Also, football deserves it own identity. The MoverS is a nice baseball logo. Let football have their own logo. Create a new helmet decal. Just don't use the MoverS unless you want to tell the nation we are a baseball school mainly.

Doesn't have to come off everything on campus, at least not instantly. The reason the M over S is only baseball so far is supposedly Polk II refused the Banner Mstate push onto the baseball team. Otherwise they would be wearing that stuff too. It is pretty overhwelming on fans wanting to get rid of Banner Mstate on athletic gear. As far as the telling the nation we are a baseball school, there are very few nationwide fans that care about college baseball so I doubt any nationwide casual football plans will hurt their brains on that one.

[Santiago]

What will the melt down be when we trot those gold M over S in the eggbowl?

Tulu already tweeted he likes the M over S logo. I hope it is gold M over S if they play like last night.

[Santiago]

The Rocket M/Flying M does take some getting used to. I like it only because it's different. The Walking Bulldog has been very dear to me since I was a child. The running
bulldog with the State flag is an original too.
I would like to see the school go with an image that has been with the school for years. I do miss the diagonal MSU, but I'm afraid we cant get that back.

Agree with your first post and this post. It is time to change. And the Flying M does have uniqueness that we should incorporate it with the Air Raid at times also. The internet responses after we won last night on this logo were great.

Peter Burns after the win:

https://twitter.com/PeterBurnsESPN/status/1454635674452340737?s=20

Tulu:

https://twitter.com/HailStateStool/status/1454648128624336900?s=20

[Tater]

If you think the banner M should be replaced, you haven't been to campus in a while. That would be a million $ project to remove it from every inch of campus. The point is, evidently those in charge feel the banner M and woodmark Mississippi State are THE logos and will be used for years. Banner M and woodmark logo obviously market better.

Also, football deserves it own identity. The MoverS is a nice baseball logo. Let football have their own logo. Create a new helmet decal. Just don't use the MoverS unless you want to tell the nation we are a baseball school mainly.

I don't trust that Banner M markets better because the ones in power researched it. This was a product of the LT era and we didn't even bother to check if the word State was centered. Trusting the group that got us a coach who lost to Maine and had us clothed by ****ing Russell Athletic to know what good marketing is when we've seen nothing of the sort from them is comically stupid.

[Santiago]

I don't trust that Banner M markets better because the ones in power researched it. This was a product of the LT era and we didn't even bother to check if the word State was centered. Trusting the group that got us a coach who lost to Maine and had us clothed by ****ing Russell Athletic to know what good marketing is when we've seen nothing of the sort from them is comically stupid.

Agree - Twitter, other MSU polls, national media, and some players, are all responding about the M over S......I would like to know when did the university ever get that type of overwhelming feedback on the Banner Mstate, or if they researched that at all. It was lazy, just copying the Marshall Track logo and making it ours.
The poll on genespage as of this morning shows 10% like Banner Mstate, and about 38% for M over S. The rest is split over Interlocking , and scripted State. Basically no one one wants Banner Mstate.
They marketed a logo, put it all over campus for 17 years, and it still cannot generate much support.

[Maroonthirteen]

I don't trust that Banner M markets better because the ones in power researched it. This was a product of the LT era and we didn't even bother to check if the word State was centered. Trusting the group that got us a coach who lost to Maine and had us clothed by ****ing Russell Athletic to know what good marketing is when we've seen nothing of the sort from them is comically stupid.

You don't trust. So you have no facts on the matter. Also your credibility on this is zero. You've already been caught lying about the A being centered.

[Santiago]

I don't trust that Banner M markets better because the ones in power researched it. This was a product of the LT era and we didn't even bother to check if the word State was centered. Trusting the group that got us a coach who lost to Maine and had us clothed by ****ing Russell Athletic to know what good marketing is when we've seen nothing of the sort from them is comically stupid.

Agree - Twitter, other MSU polls, national media, and some players, are all responding about the M over S......I would like to know when did the university ever get that type of overwhelming feedback on the Banner Mstate, or if they researched that at all. It was lazy, just copying the Marshall Track logo and making it ours.
The poll on genespage as of this morning shows 10% like Banner Mstate, and about 38% for M over S. The rest is split over Interlocking , and scripted State. Basically no one one wants Banner Mstate.

[Tater]

You don't trust. So you have no facts on the matter. Also your credibility on this is zero. You've already been caught lying about the A being centered.

What? Look at your profile pic. Are you trying to gaslight me? The A is not center. The word State is, but they didn't bother to shrink the E length to make it aesthetic.

And buddy you're the one trusting. YOU have no evidence on the matter. The burden of proof is not on me. It's on you. All available market research points to the Banner M being universally loathed by a majority of the fanbase.

[Maroonthirteen]

The MState is all over campus. On everything. That's my evidence.

You DO NOT KNOW what research went to it.

Final 4s. #1 in football. Most program wins. But dwell on Maine, brilliant.

[Tater]

The MState is all over campus. On everything. That's my evidence.

You DO NOT KNOW what research went to it.

Final 4s. #1 in football. Most program wins. But dwell on Maine, brilliant.

MoverS is the only one with a natty and has never lost on our football helmets. Cope.

Again I don't have to know what research it went you. You're the one claiming it happened. I'm telling you that I don't think it did and think those in power blindly believed they knew what was best. Which is not a Mississippi State exclusive trait. Show me where they listened to the people since you trust they did. I'm willing to be proven wrong if you can produce anything showing support for that logo.

[Lord McBuckethead]

If you think the banner M should be replaced, you haven't been to campus in a while. That would be a million $ project to remove it from every inch of campus. The point is, evidently those in charge feel the banner M and woodmark Mississippi State are THE logos and will be used for years. Banner M and woodmark logo obviously market better.

Also, football deserves it own identity. The MoverS is a nice baseball logo. Let football have their own logo. Create a new helmet decal. Just don't use the MoverS unless you want to tell the nation we are a baseball school mainly.

It should be removed from our football uniform. I don?t mind it on the water towers. Leave it there. He?ll leave it everywhere, but it doesn?t need to be on our uniforms. Those change constantly.

[Tater]

It should be removed from our football uniform. I don?t mind it on the water towers. Leave it there. He?ll leave it everywhere, but it doesn?t need to be on our uniforms. Those change constantly.

This is all anyone is really asking for but when someone is wrong they gotta change it to a strawman argument. Except he can't even win the made up argument that I want everything on campus changed. Lmfao.

[redstickdawg]

Flying M matches with Air Raid but doesn't have timeless appeal like MoverS. But to me those uniforms were fire.

Walking Bully is good for fan clothing and flags and the ilk. It should not be used as a helmet logo. Fact of the matter is we're 2-0 when not wearing the banner M under Leach. I'm not superstitious but i am a little stitious.

Best uniform look in years, we need to DUMP the banner ASAP.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I don?t own a single MS banner on a single article of clothing. Of the 18 shirts I own, all have the MoverS, walking bully, or flying M cause it is cool.

[Santiago]

I don?t own a single MS banner on a single article of clothing. Of the 18 shirts I own, all have the MoverS, walking bully, or flying M cause it is cool.

Same here. I don't wear MSU gear with Banner Mstate. Just looks silly on stuff. Like a cartoon.
M over S, Flying M is mostly what I try to wear because like you said, it just looks cool on clothing.

[Tater]

I don?t own a single MS banner on a single article of clothing. Of the 18 shirts I own, all have the MoverS, walking bully, or flying M cause it is cool.

I have a few Tommy Bahama shirts with it. Couple game specific hats. Vast majority of my wardrobe has other logos.

[Maroonthirteen]

This is all anyone is really asking for but when someone is wrong they gotta change it to a strawman argument. Except he can't even win the made up argument that I want everything on campus changed. Lmfao.

You said LT was lazy and you believe no research went into the MState logo. Provide your evidence, cite it and why your conspiracy is true.

[Tater]

You said LT was lazy and you believe no research went into the MState logo. Provide your evidence, cite it and why your conspiracy is true.

Ok let me research.

Hmm... I've found nothing showing that he did any research. Therefore I can reasonably conclude he did none. Nothing readily available.

Your turn to counter with evidence. If you can't provide evidence he did then it clearly didn't happen. Again, the burden of proof now lies on you.

Edit to add: If you want to see how silly your side of the argument is. You can take the opposite side in the argument of proving I didn't run a 4.54 40 at age 17. I totally did and it's on you to prove I didn't. (Sounds dumb doesn't it?)

[Cooterpoot]

If you don't believe we're going to get away from the banner M in athletics, then you aren't paying attention. It won't completely go away, but in athletics, it's headed out the door. And there was no research into the money of the banner M. It was selected by a panel of the faculty in some stupid move to "consolidate" things. Nevermind they never consolidated everything (see baseball, our most successful sport). It was all a stupid ass Templeton move like so many others.

[Bothrops]

The rocket M is awesome and something the school should be proud of.

[Santiago]

If you don't believe we're going to get away from the banner M in athletics, then you aren't paying attention. It won't completely go away, but in athletics, it's headed out the door. And there was no research into the money of the banner M. It was selected by a panel of the faculty in some stupid move to "consolidate" things. Nevermind they never consolidated everything (see baseball, our most successful sport). It was all a stupid ass Templeton move like so many others.

The way someone has told me, who was involved on the committee back then - The University may never get rid of Banner Mstate regardless of what anyone says(I think that may change with a new generation) , BUT if the athletic department wants to make changes with logos they can present it to the University for approval. Seeing how we already have sports teams wearing "State", "M over S", and we have worn the Flying M, then there should be not issue if we push the AD department on this.
Also, recruiting- both athletes and students to have unique logos.

[Santiago]

The rocket M is awesome and something the school should be proud of.

These look great on gear, and unique story to share when someone asks.

[Maroonthirteen]

If you don't believe we're going to get away from the banner M in athletics, then you aren't paying attention. It won't completely go away, but in athletics, it's headed out the door. And there was no research into the money of the banner M. It was selected by a panel of the faculty in some stupid move to "consolidate" things. Nevermind they never consolidated everything (see baseball, our most successful sport). It was all a stupid ass Templeton move like so many others.

Yep. The people in charge at that time were in agreement on the MState logo. It wasn't some BS conspiracy that LT shoved it upon everyone.

What I see in college athletics marketing is teams getting away from traditions and going to variations and numerous different looks. That is more of the reason the MState logo on the helmet may diminish but I don't think it is because the MState is soooo bad.

On the MS baseball logo. I get it that State fans are excited about the NC and want to interject the baseball NC into everything and anything at the present. However, that MS logo looked very plain on the football helmet. It is a great logo for baseball, as it is a version of a great baseball tradition, the New York Yankees. However, if State wants to replace the MState on the helmet, come up with something really good. Something that says, Mississippi State football, not something that has been branded as MSU baseball.