Leach presser question

[preachermatt83]

Anyone know who it was that leach refused to allow to ask a Question?

[OLJWales]

Bump

[FISHDAWG]

Anyone know who it was that leach refused to allow to ask a Question?

Someone from CNN perhaps **

[Todd4State]

It was the Clarion Ledger beat writer. Andy Kostka. It was because the Clarion Ledger issued details about Will Rogers injury.

[ShotgunDawg]

It was the Clarion Ledger beat writer. Andy Kostka. It was because the Clarion Ledger issued details about Will Rogers injury.

And the CL writer called players without permission from MSU

[OLJWales]

Shut Dem bastards off fo rest of year. Wasn't it common a while back when reporters respected coaches rules?

[Maverick91]

That was hilarious! I really want him to workout here.

[confucius say]

And the CL writer called players without permission from MSU

Ewwww. That'll do it.

[preachermatt83]

It was the Clarion Ledger beat writer. Andy Kostka. It was because the Clarion Ledger issued details about Will Rogers injury.

I was hoping it was that idiot

[confucius say]

Well this hoard has been wanting the CL cut off for years. Leach finally did it for us.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

I was hoping it was that idiot

Looked him up, definitely received his fair share of swirlies in high school.

[Activated Alpha]

'Soul-searching needs to be done': MSU's struggles due to Mike Leach's stubbornness, Greg McElroy says: by Andy Kostka. Last updated today at 1045. Guess who has some butt hurt feelings....

[MetEdDawg]

'Soul-searching needs to be done': MSU's struggles due to Mike Leach's stubbornness, Greg McElroy says: by Andy Kostka. Last updated today at 1045. Guess who has some butt hurt feelings....

He may have some hurt feelings but McElroy is 100% right. The offense has already been adapted by a number of people into a more successful version of itself.

Failure to adapt gets you fired. Need to adapt or we die

[OLJWales]

He may have some hurt feelings but McElroy is 100% right. The offense has already been adapted by a number of people into a more successful version of itself.

Failure to adapt gets you fired. Need to adapt or we die

Adaptation or yet to have the players to do it? (Woulda said "run it" but we don't run)

[confucius say]

'Soul-searching needs to be done': MSU's struggles due to Mike Leach's stubbornness, Greg McElroy says: by Andy Kostka. Last updated today at 1045. Guess who has some butt hurt feelings....

But wasn't that article written after the presser?

[BeardoMSU]

That was hilarious! I really want him to workout here.

I would rather he win games than own journos.

[OLJWales]

I would rather he win games than own journos.

Can't we hope for both? Agree though, ML needs to improve the product on field which is priority one.

[BayouDawg]

I would rather he win games than own journos.

Agreed. But I will also enjoy this moment.

[Cowbell]

Leach is getting sour. It's the same attitude change we saw with Joe. He about to tell us to all go kick rocks. There has been nothing entertaining or joyful in any of his pressors lately.

[BeardoMSU]

Agreed. But I will also enjoy this moment.

Lol, sure. **** the CL, but Mike hasn't earned anything here yet.

[Maverick91]

I would rather he win games than own journos.

Agreed! It would just be nice to have a coach that wins games and owns the media at the same time.

[OLJWales]

Leach is getting sour. It's the same attitude change we saw with Joe. He about to tell us to all go kick rocks. There has been nothing entertaining or joyful in any of his pressors lately.
17 this.

[confucius say]

Lol, sure. **** the CL, but Mike hasn't earned anything here yet.

It's funny that Pittman and leach have the same 7-10 record and are viewed completely different by their fan bases.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

It's funny that Pittman and leach have the same 7-10 record and are viewed completely different by their fan bases.

Pittman inherited a team that had won 1 SEC game the previous 3 years. Leach inherited a program who had been bowling for a decade straight. The expectations no doubt should've been different.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

Leach is getting sour. It's the same attitude change we saw with Joe. He about to tell us to all go kick rocks. There has been nothing entertaining or joyful in any of his pressors lately.

Very good point. No rants about 3 toed sloths or something crazy along those lines.

[WinningIsRelentless]

Pittman inherited a team that had won 1 SEC game the previous 3 years. Leach inherited a program who had been bowling for a decade straight. The expectations no doubt should've been different.

Speaking the truth

[maroonmania]

Lol, sure. **** the CL, but Mike hasn't earned anything here yet.

Not sure what he has 'earned', but I wish I had a job where I made 5 million per year no matter what kind of team I put on the field. I really wish the bulk of all coaches' contracts could be incentive based. Heck, I wouldn't have a problem paying a coach 7 or 8 million a year if they actually won something on the field (say 8 or 9 games). But heck, we have to pay Leach 5 million even if we have another losing season under him. What motivation is there in that for a guy on the back end of his career anyway? At least with Mullen he was motivated because he had ambition wanting to move up in the coaching ranks.

[Maverick91]

Very good point. No rants about 3 toed sloths or something crazy along those lines.

I am good with him getting pissed off, if he has that much pride. Go out there and prove that your system can work in the best conference against the best talent.

[confucius say]

Pittman inherited a team that had won 1 SEC game the previous 3 years. Leach inherited a program who had been bowling for a decade straight. The expectations no doubt should've been different.

Who inherited more talent? Shouldn't expectations be based on the situation inherited instead of the history of the program?

ETA: the four year recruiting average when each began coaching games was 29 for Pittman, 26 for Leach, and 20 for Kiffin.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Who inherited more talent? Shouldn't expectations be based on the situation inherited instead of the history of the program?

ETA: the four year recruiting average when each began coaching games was 29 for Pittman, 26 for Leach, and 20 for Kiffin.

Come on man these are excuses. Arkansas was worse than Vandy. MSU was a middle of the pack SEC school. In 17 months we're now even. That's an indictment on Leach more than it's a good job by Pittman.

[confucius say]

Come on man these are excuses. Arkansas was worse than Vandy. MSU was a middle of the pack SEC school. In 17 months we're now even. That's an indictment on Leach more than it's a good job by Pittman.

Takent level is an excuse? So you do not believe in recruiting rankings?

I think we are comparable to the 2019 team that leach inherited. Probably a little better. Let's see how the season plays out.

I do think ark is better than when Pittman took over. But that is more due to Chad Morris was a dumpster fire. Pittman has ark about where they historically have been.

The two teams have almost the same talent profile and are very comparable to each other, yet Pittman is praised and Leach sucks. It's weird.

[TrapGame]

The two teams have almost the same talent profile and are very comparable to each other, yet Pittman is praised and Leach sucks. It's weird.

That's b/c Pittman RTGDFB and that's like Viagra around here.

[maroonmania]

Who inherited more talent? Shouldn't expectations be based on the situation inherited instead of the history of the program?

ETA: the four year recruiting average when each began coaching games was 29 for Pittman, 26 for Leach, and 20 for Kiffin.

For Kiffin though OM was already built offensively to do what Kiffin wants to do. And I mean they still royally stink on defense. For us, what does it matter what your recruiting ranking has been if you have a bunch of road grader OL with WRs that block better than catch and guys in the backfield that aren't pass catchers if you are going to the Air Raid? Leach does what he does so obviously the transition from a traditional run first school to the Air Raid is much more difficult for us than OM bringing in Kiffin with a ready made roster for him and possibly the best QB in the country.

[confucius say]

For Kiffin though OM was already built offensively to do what Kiffin wants to do. And I mean they still royally stink on defense. For us, what does it matter what your recruiting ranking has been if you have a bunch of road grader OL with WRs that block better than catch and guys in the backfield that aren't pass catchers if you are going to the Air Raid? Leach does what he does so obviously the transition from a traditional run first school to the Air Raid is much more difficult for us than OM bringing in Kiffin with a ready made roster for him and possibly the best QB in the country.

I actually agree with you. No doubt leach's transition was the most extreme. One could argue he could try to coach around that, but regardless he had the bigger overhaul scheme wise.

Pittman basically is being praised being decent and for not being Chad Morris.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Pittman inherited a team that had won 1 SEC game the previous 3 years. Leach inherited a program who had been bowling for a decade straight. The expectations no doubt should've been different.

There's also the fact that they have an AD in Yurachek who is out there plugging ALL his athletic programs and pushing the perception that they are growing and improving any chance he can get. We have Cohen who doesn't know that there's another season other than baseball season

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Takent level is an excuse? So you do not believe in recruiting rankings?

I think we are comparable to the 2019 team that leach inherited. Probably a little better. Let's see how the season plays out.

I do think ark is better than when Pittman took over. But that is more due to Chad Morris was a dumpster fire. Pittman has ark about where they historically have been.

The two teams have almost the same talent profile and are very comparable to each other, yet Pittman is praised and Leach sucks. It's weird.

Again Pittman inherited a team with 1 SEC win the previous 3 years. Leach inherited a team that went to 10 straight bowl games. 1 should be praised & 1 should be criticized.

[Dawgfan77]

Again Pittman inherited a team with 1 SEC win the previous 3 years. Leach inherited a team that went to 10 straight bowl games. 1 should be praised & 1 should be criticized.

IYOK we trying to tell them but some are just still in awe that we hired The Mike Leach... can't see past the name.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

IYOK we trying to tell them but some are just still in awe that we hired The Mike Leach... can't see past the name.

Now the jury is still out on this season & he definitely has a chance to have a satisfactory season but through 17 games there's been plenty of concerns. The only thing that we've been is inconsistent. Through 17 games we've won back to back games once. Hard to build a lot of momentum & fan excitement when you can't consistently win & your offense have shown minimal improvement from season 1 to 2. Especially when that was the talking point coming into the season. Again he has half a season to change the narrative.

[confucius say]

Again Pittman inherited a team with 1 SEC win the previous 3 years. Leach inherited a team that went to 10 straight bowl games. 1 should be praised & 1 should be criticized.

They inherited the same talent level. The reason ark sucked was Chad Morris (and youth), not their talent level. Pittman is being praised bc Morris sucked.

[confucius say]

Now the jury is still out on this season & he definitely has a chance to have a satisfactory season but through 17 games there's been plenty of concerns. The only thing that we've been is inconsistent. Through 17 games we've won back to back games once. Hard to build a lot of momentum & fan excitement when you can't consistently win & your offense have shown minimal improvement from season 1 to 2. Especially when that was the talking point coming into the season. Again he has half a season to change the narrative.

This I agree with. Except I will say that we are averaging a TD more this year than last. We will see where that number lands at seasons end.

And it's not just the offense. The defense has not improved at all. And prob has gotten worse honestly.

[confucius say]

IYOK we trying to tell them but some are just still in awe that we hired The Mike Leach... can't see past the name.

I'm not a big leach fan and don't think he deserves praise. I just dont understand why Pittman is praised when he has the same talent profile as leach and an easier scheme transition and both are 7-10.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

This I agree with. Except I will say that we are averaging a TD more this year than last. We will see where that number lands at seasons end.

And it's not just the offense. The defense has not improved at all. And prob has gotten worse honestly.

Last year was an All SEC schedule. This year through 3 SEC games we're avg the same amount of points. I'm hopeful by the end of the year we avg a TD more against SEC comp.

[was21]

McElroy is right....Leach is obviously on the defensive

[was21]

If you wing games you don't have to be concerned about the media...it takes care of itself

[was21]

That's why Leech should have never been hired.

[confucius say]

Last year was an All SEC schedule. This year through 3 SEC games we're avg the same amount of points. I'm hopeful by the end of the year we avg a TD more against SEC comp.

Yea we will see where we are.

I think nc state defense should be included too since it's defense is 6th in the country. Not that it would improve our average much.

[confucius say]

That's why Leech should have never been hired.

Bc he refused to take a question from a CL reporter? We've been clamoring for CL access to be cut off for years

[confucius say]

That's why Leech should have never been hired.

He's 3-3 with wins over two teams currently ranked in the top 20. Let's let the season play out.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Yea we will see where we are.

I think nc state defense should be included too since it's defense is 6th in the country. Not that it would improve our average much.

Yep the offense was bad against NC St too. We only scored 17 points & only had 316 yards. The defense & Tulu really played well.

[OLJWales]

He's 3-3 with wins over two teams currently ranked in the top 20. Let's let the season play out.

Cut dat common sense out!! We need mo bitchin up in here!!

[Jarius]

The offense is clearly better than last year. Game 1 last year was complete fools gold and those stats skew the numbers to make our offense look less terrible than it was for most of the year. Unfortunately we have not had anyone stupid enough to repeat Bo Pelini’s game plan this year. I was as disappointed as anyone with the Alabama game but some of you are acting ridiculous. We have 6 games remaining and have a decent shot at winning most of those games if we simply play clean. Having our kicker back is huge. He is the difference in a couple of games (and our offense averaging about a TD more than it did last year so far even with the LSU stats from 2020). We have a good shot to finish between 6-6 and 8-4. If we choke and end up 5-7 then we will have to back up and reevaluate but damn. Chill out.

[OLJWales]

The offense is clearly better than last year. Game 1 last year was complete fools gold and those stats skew the numbers to make our offense look less terrible than it was for most of the year. I was as disappointed as anyone with the Alabama game but some of you are acting ridiculous.

Yep. Fools gold with Leach's first game. Biggest Buzz Kill EVAH with what followed.

[TrapGame]

The offense is clearly better than last year. Game 1 last year was complete fools gold and those stats skew the numbers to make our offense look less terrible than it was for most of the year. Unfortunately we have not had anyone stupid enough to repeat Bo Pelini’s game plan this year. I was as disappointed as anyone with the Alabama game but some of you are acting ridiculous. We have 6 games remaining and have a decent shot at winning most of those games if we simply play clean. Having our kicker back is huge. He is the difference in a couple of games (and our offense averaging about a TD more than it did last year so far even with the LSU stats from 2020). We have a good shot to finish between 6-6 and 8-4. If we choke and end up 5-7 then we will have to back up and reevaluate but damn. Chill out.

Exactly.

6-6/8-4 is all possible. But so is 5-7. 5-7 definitely gets me straddling the fence on Leach. Hell, looking like ass against Vandy this weekend might get me there quicker than 5-7.

[confucius say]

Yep the offense was bad against NC St too. We only scored 17 points & only had 316 yards. The defense & Tulu really played well.

Both of which are more than that defense gives up on average.

And if you're only going to count points scored while the offense is on the field, then the jump in offensive points from last year to this year is higher bc we scored 4 defensive/ST TD last year and only 1 plus a safety this year.

[Jarius]

Exactly.

6-6/8-4 is all possible. But so is 5-7. 5-7 definitely gets me straddling the fence on Leach. Hell, looking like ass against Vandy this weekend might get me there quicker than 5-7.

No doubt. I’m anxious about Will’s arm because it’s already not strong and now it’s injured. That is a recipe for disaster against good defenses. Luckily we only play 1 or 2 more good defense this year so hopefully it is just a minor sprain that he can shoot up for the game and be fine. If we finish 5-7 I promise I will be raising hell with everyone but right now I don’t see that as being a very high possibility.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Anyone know who it was that leach refused to allow to ask a Question?

Does anyone else find the constant bullshit questions way off topic from football to be a huge issue? Like, are we all really tired of our reporters continuously asking Leach about pirates and other bullcrap?
Can we all agree that 95% of the questions should be about our team, our obstacles, or preparation, personnel, etc.

If I have to hear one more question about something stupid........

[NCDawg]

Exactly.

6-6/8-4 is all possible. But so is 5-7. 5-7 definitely gets me straddling the fence on Leach. Hell, looking like ass against Vandy this weekend might get me there quicker than 5-7.

Vanderbilt played South Carolina close last week-end. Not saying much because I don't think South Carolina is very good, but South Carolina had to score in the last minute to win. They won 21-20. Overall, I think Vanderbilt is probably about as good as Memphis. Of course, we got robbed by the referees in the Memphis game,but it shouldn't have come down to that.

[confucius say]

We are certainly capable of losing to Vandy.
And beating multiple top 20 teams. Wild.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Does anyone else find the constant bullshit questions way off topic from football to be a huge issue? Like, are we all really tired of our reporters continuously asking Leach about pirates and other bullcrap?
Can we all agree that 95% of the questions should be about our team, our obstacles, or preparation, personnel, etc.

If I have to hear one more question about something stupid........

That was 1 of the things our fans loved about him coming in. I heard plenty of times about how entertaining the press conferences was going to be because you never knew what Leach was going to talk about.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We are certainly capable of losing to Vandy.

This being a true statement tells you where we are as a program. We haven't said anything like that since Croom left. That's frustrating & depressing to me that a game against Vandy isn't a for sure W.

[Jarius]

This being a true statement tells you where we are as a program. We haven't said anything like that since Croom left. That's frustrating & depressing to me that a game against Vandy isn't a for sure W.

Dan Mullen had a close call with a g5 team many times and lost to South Alabama. Joe Moorhead almost lost to ULL. We are 3 touchdown favorites to Vandy Saturday. If we lose to hem it will be a huge upset. You are acting irrationally.

[confucius say]

This being a true statement tells you where we are as a program. We haven't said anything like that since Croom left. That's frustrating & depressing to me that a game against Vandy isn't a for sure W.

We were capable of losing to a garbage south Alabama team that didn't have a winning record that year.

FCS samford gave us all we wanted. Very capable of losing that.

We were capable of losing to a 3-9 uab team in 2011. Had to come from behind in the second half.

Vandy has two wins and lost on the road to Usce by 1. They suck but they aren't all time bad. Most years we've been capable of losing to the worst team in the sec.

We also have two wins over teams that are top 20 and will finish top 20 or better.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We were capable of losing to a garbage south Alabama team that didn't have a winning record that year.

FCS samford gave us all we wanted. Very capable of losing that.

We were capable of losing to a 3-9 uab team in 2011. Had to come from behind in the second half.

Vandy has two wins and lost on the road to Usce by 1. They suck but they aren't all time bad. Most years we've been capable of losing to the worst team in the sec.

We also have two wins over teams that are top 20 and will finish top 20 or better.

We didn't go into any of those games thinking it was possible we'd lose.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We were capable of losing to a garbage south Alabama team that didn't have a winning record that year.

FCS samford gave us all we wanted. Very capable of losing that.

We were capable of losing to a 3-9 uab team in 2011. Had to come from behind in the second half.

Vandy has two wins and lost on the road to Usce by 1. They suck but they aren't all time bad. Most years we've been capable of losing to the worst team in the sec.

We also have two wins over teams that are top 20 and will finish top 20 or better.

We didn't think going into any games we'd lose. Ok so Vandy is 2-10 bad this year not 0-12 bad. Does that make it better?

[Cowbell]

This being a true statement tells you where we are as a program. We haven't said anything like that since Croom left. That's frustrating & depressing to me that a game against Vandy isn't a for sure W.
The Latech and Memphis games did it for me

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Dan Mullen had a close call with a g5 team many times and lost to South Alabama. Joe Moorhead almost lost to ULL. We are 3 touchdown favorites to Vandy Saturday. If we lose to hem it will be a huge upset. You are acting irrationally.

If stating that the fact that we could lose to Vandy is a sad state of affairs is acting irrationally then so be it. I've been called worse.

[Cowbell]

We also have two wins over teams that are top 20 and will finish top 20 or better.
You should also mention our losses and where those teams rank...

[confucius say]

We didn't go into any of those games thinking it was possible we'd lose.

We literally lost one of them. Therefore we obviously were capable of losing it, just like we are capable of losing to Vandy Saturday. If you didn't think we were capable of losing, that's on you.

[confucius say]

We didn't think going into any games we'd lose. Ok so Vandy is 2-10 bad this year not 0-12 bad. Does that make it better?

If you didn't think we were capable of losing a game that we actually lost, that's on you. I absolutely knew it was possible, but I'm just wired that way, prob bc I've been there done that.
I was also the only person on the Memphis prediction thread who didn't say we would win. Granted I didn't say we would lose, I just said it would be a 3 point game and either team could win.

[IMissJack]

Shouldn?t our AD or SID keep this reporter from even being present for this press conference if the reporter did not follow protocol? Why does Leach have to be the bad guy?

[confucius say]

You should also mention our losses and where those teams rank...

I already did. I've had a whole thread on this. It's why I picked us to beat a top 20 nc state but didn't pick us to beat Memphis. We are capable of losing to anybody on our schedule and beating anybody on our schedule. It's the mike leach way. He had years where he lost to an fcs team and beat a top 10 team. It's a roller coaster.

For the record, I do think we beat Vandy. But that doesn't mean it is outside the realm of possibility we could lose.

[confucius say]

Shouldn?t our AD or SID keep this reporter from even being present for this press conference if the reporter did not follow protocol? Why does Leach have to be the bad guy?

Our admin hasn't stood up to the CL for years despite constant mistreatment.

[BayouDawg]

We didn't go into any of those games thinking it was possible we'd lose.

Lol you cant be a state fan go into games thinking its impossible to lose. Jackie had his share of awful losses as has most every state coach. Acting like its new for state to be able to crap the bed at any time is a bit unrealistic. In any sport for that matter.

[Jarius]

If stating that the fact that we could lose to Vandy is a sad state of affairs is acting irrationally then so be it. I've been called worse.


We have fielded teams every year outside of 2 or 3 since Croom left where we could possibly lose to a team of Vandy’s caliber yet you weren’t on here talking like this about how you were not sure about the game being a sure win. We are 3 touchdown favorites and it’s highly unlikely that we don’t win the game. You are 100 % acting irrational.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We have fielded teams every year outside of 2 or 3 since Croom left where we could possibly lose to a team of Vandy’s caliber yet you weren’t on here talking like this about how you were not sure about the game being a sure win. We are 3 touchdown favorites and it’s highly unlikely that we don’t win the game. You are 100 % acting irrational.

Cool

[basedog]

Not sure but I think it's close that this Vandy team may be the worse it's had in a long time. We may be a 20 plus favored but I'm a little concerned going on the road and the situation we have a QB. I sure we had a player like "I will let you catch catch a pass IF you will do my homework"! LOL, I went to that game and the radio talk in Nashville was overwhelming with Vandy fans thinking and saying how they would beat us.

[Maverick91]

Does anyone else find the constant bullshit questions way off topic from football to be a huge issue? Like, are we all really tired of our reporters continuously asking Leach about pirates and other bullcrap?
Can we all agree that 95% of the questions should be about our team, our obstacles, or preparation, personnel, etc.

If I have to hear one more question about something stupid........

Yes, Siiiir.

[Maverick91]

That was 1 of the things our fans loved about him coming in. I heard plenty of times about how entertaining the press conferences was going to be because you never knew what Leach was going to talk about.

The difference is that he is asked a football question, which is what they are supposed to do. And Leach himself turns that into something completely random, which is what he is supposed to do.

[confucius say]

Not sure but I think it's close that this Vandy team may be the worse it's had in a long time. We may be a 20 plus favored but I'm a little concerned going on the road and the situation we have a QB. I sure we had a player like "I will let you catch catch a pass IF you will do my homework"! LOL, I went to that game and the radio talk in Nashville was overwhelming with Vandy fans thinking and saying how they would beat us.

I think we win but would be very surprised if we cover the 20. I think it's more of a 10 point game.

[OLJWales]

Not sure but I think it's close that this Vandy team may be the worse it's had in a long time. We may be a 20 plus favored but I'm a little concerned going on the road and the situation we have a QB. I sure we had a player like "I will let you catch catch a pass IF you will do my homework"! LOL, I went to that game and the radio talk in Nashville was overwhelming with Vandy fans thinking and saying how they would beat us.

Remember that well. Glorious. Vandy paper did a piece before game picking at the jucos and academic standards at STATE. We beat the shit out of them. Did Smoot ever let dude catch a pass ? Did Smoot get any free homework?

[basedog]

Remember that well. Glorious. Vandy paper did a piece before game picking at the jucos and academic standards at STATE. We beat the shit out of them. Did Smoot ever let dude catch a pass ? Did Smoot get any free homework?

How do u think Smoot graduated*** Didn't come close to catching a pass.