The delusion is real today

[Dawgfan77]

We are in no way a good team. We make basic football mistakes we look out of sync we blow coverage. We are the worst team in the SEC in rushing, we are terrible on total offense. We are last in the sec in sacks.

Stop blindly taking up for leach. I get it he was a national treasure, a quote machine , he was the pirate.
Guys for two years every team we play runs the same defense against us until we get in the red zone then they use the end zone as an extra defender.
The air raid isn't who we are at MSU
We are not getting better we are getting worse

[Quaoarsking]

we are terrible on total offense

486 (the best of the Leach Era, minus Costello's one magical afternoon) is terrible?

It's a strange day to complain about the offense when it was the defense who let us down and cost the game.

[msugolf]

486 (the best of the Leach Era, minus Costello's one magical afternoon) is terrible?

It's a strange day to complain about the offense when it was the defense who let us down and cost the game.

Youre just trolling at this point. We had 3 pts till late in the 3rd and held LSU to 343 total yards, despite our awesome offense turning it over to them twice.

[R2Dawg]

The D gave up two plays that is it. Our O has 2 awful plays every series.

The O again basically gave them one TD. You Leach stat lovers, look at the stats. We should have scored 45. That ain't on D.

[Quaoarsking]

Youre just trolling at this point. We had 3 pts till late in the 3rd and held LSU to 343 total yards, despite our awesome offense turning it over to them twice.

Good thing we play 4 quarters, right?

[SailingDawg]

Better than getting beat 48-13.

[DownwardDawg]

The team I saw today looked terrible.

[msugolf]

Good thing we play 4 quarters, right?

Not for us cause we lost at the end of them because we didnt have ENOUGH POINTS!

[Dawgfan77]

486 (the best of the Leach Era, minus Costello's one magical afternoon) is terrible?

It's a strange day to complain about the offense when it was the defense who let us down and cost the game.
Stats are for losers. Guess that's what you are! Gimme me the W no? Do I need call Sankey and say hi Greg can we have the W since we won the stat game.
GTFOH.

[defiantdog]

Wait..... Are we supporting Rogers now?

[Quaoarsking]

Stats are for losers. Guess that's what you are! Gimme me the W no? Do I need call Sankey and say hi Greg can we have the W since we won the stat game.
GTFOH.

Stats tell you a lot about where a team is going, way more than W/L record does. Only people who are bad at math think they're "for losers."

And yes, I would much rather had a fluky win where we get outgained by 200 yards than any loss. But I'd feel worse about the rest of the season going forward had that happened.

[Dawgfan77]

Stats tell you a lot about where a team is going, way more than W/L record does. Only people who are bad at math think they're "for losers."

And yes, I would much rather had a fluky win where we get outgained by 200 yards than any loss. But I'd feel worse about the rest of the season going forward had that happened.
I want Ws I guess I'll go back to researching other stats

[Mjoelner34]

Youre just trolling at this point. We had 3 pts till late in the 3rd and held LSU to 343 total yards, despite our awesome offense turning it over to them twice.

This! We are averaging 15.5 points per game at the end of the 3rd qtr. We're padding stats in the 4th when down 2 or 3 scores.

[Dawgfan77]

Same folks defending ML defended croom and SloMo. Rinse repeat

[Quaoarsking]

Same folks defending ML defended croom and SloMo. Rinse repeat

Oops, I never defended Croom and was half-done with Moorhead after Kansas State and fully after Tennessee.

[Quaoarsking]

This! We are averaging 15.5 points per game at the end of the 3rd qtr. We're padding stats in the 4th when down 2 or 3 scores.

When you actually do come back and win, or come up short by a score or less, you're not "padding stats."

It's not like we were down 42-7 and got it to 42-21 or something. In all games, we've been trying to win late and the defense has been trying to stop us with their starters.

Similarly, NC State (Leach signature win?) wasn't padding stats against us either - they were trying to win.

[Dawgfan77]

Oops, I never defended Croom and was half-done with Moorhead after Kansas State and fully after Tennessee.

If you waited til 2019 I don't know what to tell you. UK 18 was the game changer for me I was done and was told he was out after the UT game in 19.

[Jack Lambert]

I don't know if you notice there are not a lot of good teams nation wide. Oregon out of the PAC 12 is good. No one else that conference is. No one in the ACC is good. Hell the best team in that conference got beat by a team that got beat by us. Big 12 is not good at all. Tulane took OU to the wire, shitting point out their ass at will against OU and Ole miss is basing that their defense is good because they held Tulane to low score. Well at half UAB is beating Tulane 21 to 14. To be honest watching Clemson today I question just how good Georgia is. The sad thing is they are probably the best team in the SEC EAST. Tenn is giving Florida all they want. Iowa looks good and could possibly be the best team in the Big 10. Let that absorb into your brain. Just my observation. Also A&M does not loo like a good football team. Arkansas isn't shit with out Jefferson. I suspect Ole Miss will get a dose of reality next Saturday. They will score points but Bama will cover the spread. KY is average but not above average. They are struggling with SC. Let's not forget about the shit show Auburn put on today.

Right now the best four teams in the country is Alabama, Oregon, Iowa and Cincinnati. They will beat ND when they meet. I believe next week. If they win they could possibly be first not p5 to get into the play off.

[CadaverDawg]

486 (the best of the Leach Era, minus Costello's one magical afternoon) is terrible?

It's a strange day to complain about the offense when it was the defense who let us down and cost the game.

I can't take this serious. Good gracious, no wonder I disagree with so many people on message boards. I don't care if we have a thousand yards of offense, if there's no points correlating to it, it means Jack squat.

[Cowbell]

If you waited til 2019 I don't know what to tell you. UK 18 was the game changer for me I was done and was told he was out after the UT game in 19.

How long we gotta wait this cat out? The guys taking up for him don't understand football abd scheme. Our boys are taking a knife to a gunfight.

[Hambone]

How long we gotta wait this cat out? The guys taking up for him don't understand football abd scheme. Our boys are taking a knife to a gunfight.

If you honestly think we can just fire Mike Leach after one season and 4 games and expect to have any legitimate options then I don’t know how else to take you.

Let’s see, we fire a coach with TWO WINNING SEASONS (and 2-0 record AGAINST OUR RIVAL) yes, warranted, only to then fire a proven head coach before two seasons…..

Yea, good luck getting anyone to touch our program with an10 foot pole.

Coach34 may legitimately be our only option. (No offense, Coach34)

[Lord McBuckethead]

The team I saw today looked terrible.
I left in the 1st quarter. It was bad.

[Dawgfan77]

If you honestly think we can just fire Mike Leach after one season and 4 games and expect to have any legitimate options then I don?t know how else to take you.

Let?s see, we fire a coach with TWO WINNING SEASONS (and 2-0 record AGAINST OUR RIVAL) yes, warranted, only to then fire a proven head coach before two seasons?..

Yea, good luck getting anyone to touch our program with an10 foot pole.

Coach34 may legitimately be our only option. (No offense, Coach34)
You have a skewed view of the coaching fraternity. Word got out how bad SloMo was running our program. Coaches can see that well they tried the AIR raid and it didn't work. It's not like they look at the job and say who wants that job they fire you after 2 years. Also in this big $$ win now era we are in coached know you better get it at least going in the right direction in year two. I'll give you names that we could hire for 5MM tomorrow
Blake Anderson
Jeff Traylor
Bill Clark
Dave Clawsom
Gus Malzahn
Freeze
Will Healey
I got more names that would be a better cultural fit than what we have now.

[preachermatt83]

486 (the best of the Leach Era, minus Costello's one magical afternoon) is terrible?

It's a strange day to complain about the offense when it was the defense who let us down and cost the game.

Exactly

[Quaoarsking]

You have a skewed view of the coaching fraternity. Word got out how bad SloMo was running our program. Coaches can see that well they tried the AIR raid and it didn't work. It's not like they look at the job and say who wants that job they fire you after 2 years. Also in this big $$ win now era we are in coached know you better get it at least going in the right direction in year two. I'll give you names that we could hire for 5MM tomorrow
Blake Anderson
Jeff Traylor
Bill Clark
Dave Clawsom
Gus Malzahn
Freeze
Will Healey
I got more names that would be a better cultural fit than what we have now.

There's no such thing as a "cultural fit" outside of feelings.

[BulldogBear]

486 (the best of the Leach Era, minus Costello's one magical afternoon) is terrible?

It's a strange day to complain about the offense when it was the defense who let us down and cost the game.


I can't take this serious. Good gracious, no wonder I disagree with so many people on message boards. I don't care if we have a thousand yards of offense, if there's no points correlating to it, it means Jack squat.

Have to agree with CD here. The bolded statement looks like a Croom quote.

[HancockCountyDog]

I have no problem with our fans being positive, but I just don?t see it as rational thought to think our offense turned a corner when we scored 3 points in the first 8 drives.

We scored 4 more points than Central Michigan.

[msstate7]

I have no problem with our fans being positive, but I just don?t see it as rational thought to think our offense turned a corner when we scored 3 points in the first 8 drives.

We scored 4 more points than Central Michigan.

Vs la tech, we scored less than SELa and smu

Vs memphis, we scored less than ark st and utsa

[memsu06]

You have a skewed view of the coaching fraternity. Word got out how bad SloMo was running our program. Coaches can see that well they tried the AIR raid and it didn't work. It's not like they look at the job and say who wants that job they fire you after 2 years. Also in this big $$ win now era we are in coached know you better get it at least going in the right direction in year two. I'll give you names that we could hire for 5MM tomorrow
Blake Anderson
Jeff Traylor
Bill Clark
Dave Clawsom
Gus Malzahn
Freeze
Will Healey
I got more names that would be a better cultural fit than what we have now.

I find it hilarious you think you're going to pick up a home run hire out of those.

They would have to revamp the entire offense and our current DC probably doesn't stay. Then you're rebuilding again. How long do you give that coach? Fire them after 2-3 years. Prepare for SEC West doormat for the foreseeable future.

Leach has been successful at every location he's been at. He's been at schools that traditionally didn't recruit that well and places it's hard to get recruits to come to to begin with.

Leach is perfect for us, you just got to give him time.

Look at how Texas Tech and Washington State are doing now without Leach.

[Quaoarsking]

Have to agree with CD here. The bolded statement looks like a Croom quote.

Did Croom ever put up 486 yards in an SEC game? (Yes, once, in a loss to Arkansas in 2007. And it wasn't the offense's fault we lost that game either.)

In games 3-6 last year were we averaged 220 yards and 7 points per game, it was absolutely the offense's fault. But when you have 486 yards and the defense gives up 3 catastrophic chunk scoring plays in a 3-point loss, it is by definition not the offense's fault. You can still be mad/upset about the result (believe me, no one on this board is more upset about the game than me), but that doesn't mean we should assign blame to the wrong unit.

[coastratdog]

This! We are averaging 15.5 points per game at the end of the 3rd qtr. We're padding stats in the 4th when down 2 or 3 scores.

This all day. Out of a total of 113 points score this season, 51 have come in the 4th quarter. Usually when we are behind. I just don't think Leach has ever played with the over all talent and speed in the SEC. I know he was an asset. at Kentucky but that was a while back.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Anybody that thinks right now is even close to as bad as anything during the Croom era is idiotic.

Today was a game full of mistakes, but I thought it was obvious we are a better team than LSU. Dropped passes, blown coverages, and untimely penalties absolutely sunk us.

We moved the ball effectively most of the day, but stalled in the red zone several times. This was always some concern for me with Leach's offense. Defense let us down too though. We had 2 plays that their receivers were running wide open down the field. It was bad. Lastly, the personal foul on the punt at the beginning of the fourth quarter was detrimental. The players have to have better situational awareness.

All in all that was an extremely frustrating loss, but I think we can be a pretty solid team if we can minimize the mistakes.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

The D gave up two plays that is it. Our O has 2 awful plays every series.

The O again basically gave them one TD. You Leach stat lovers, look at the stats. We should have scored 45. That ain't on D.

What a silly statement. If a QB goes 27-30 but throws 3 pick 6's he didn't have a good game even though he only had 3 bad plays.

The defense let us down, but all negativity is focused on Leach. Arnett deserves some blame too.

[Dawgfan77]

I find it hilarious you think you're going to pick up a home run hire out of those.

They would have to revamp the entire offense and our current DC probably doesn't stay. Then you're rebuilding again. How long do you give that coach? Fire them after 2-3 years. Prepare for SEC West doormat for the foreseeable future.

Leach has been successful at every location he's been at. He's been at schools that traditionally didn't recruit that well and places it's hard to get recruits to come to to begin with.

Leach is perfect for us, you just got to give him time.

Look at how Texas Tech and Washington State are doing now without Leach.

You all need to stop comparing leach's records at WSU and TT. They didn't play teams like you see week in and week out in the SEC. when he did play teams with that similar talent make up to say... UK or UT... guess what he got beat. Look at his record against Washington just to name one.
But let's keep throwing time and money to a staff that doesnt recruit and keeps running the same old boring ass offense. This board reminds me croom level blind faith circa 2006-2008.
A good coach adapts to his talent he has to try and win now not blow up the program. Those guys would coach our roster circles around this shit show of a staff we currently have. It's what Mullen did til he got his guys but in the meantime we won games.
Y'all wouldn't know good football from
Bad football if it hit you in the face we just happy to put up 500yds of offense. Fans like you, preach and Quara and why we have this Po Ol mithippi stathe
GTFOH with that thinking. Demand results in football the way we do in baseball.

[CadaverDawg]

Did Croom ever put up 486 yards in an SEC game? (Yes, once, in a loss to Arkansas in 2007. And it wasn't the offense's fault we lost that game either.)

In games 3-6 last year were we averaged 220 yards and 7 points per game, it was absolutely the offense's fault. But when you have 486 yards and the defense gives up 3 catastrophic chunk scoring plays in a 3-point loss, it is by definition not the offense's fault. You can still be mad/upset about the result (believe me, no one on this board is more upset about the game than me), but that doesn't mean we should assign blame to the wrong unit.

This is flat out Wrong. The offense dug the defense such a damn holeby not showing up for 3 quarters, that the defense was probably gassed and defeated. You think Arnett makes the same play calls in a game we're down 3 in versus a game we're down 18 in and our offense hasn't had a pulse? And do you think LSU's defense was playing as hard and not playing somewhat of a prevent once they got up by 10+ in the 3rd quarter? It's only natural for players to soften up when they know they have the game in the bag, so that's part of why we score more easily late when we're getting blown out. Part of it is taking more shots downfield, the other part is softer coverage and bigger windows bc the D isn't allowing anything behind them.

Wake up man. Blaming the defense for yesterday's loss is insane if you actually watched it and saw the flow of the game.

[msstate7]

This is flat out Wrong. The offense dug the defense such a damn joke by not showing up for 3 quarters, that the defense was probably gassed and defeated. You think Arnett makes the same play calls in a game we're down 3 in versus a game we're down 18 in and our offense hasn't had a pulse? And do you think LSU's defense was playing as hard and not playing somewhat of a prevent once they got up by 10+ in the 3rd quarter? It's only natural for players to soften up when they know they have the game in the bag, so that's part of why we score more easily late when we're getting blown out. Part of it is taking more shots downfield, the other part is softer coverage and bigger windows bc the D isn't allowing anything behind them.

Wake up man. Blaming the defense for yesterday's loss is insane if you actually watched it and saw the flow of the game.

Lots here will assign blame everywhere but leach and will.

[SilentSteel16]

I am all for giving CML sometime and not jumping the gun just yet, but he does need to improve to stay. With that being said, I would personally love to see us get Freeze. Past transgressions be what they are, that dude is a flat out good coach and heck of a recruiter. Once he figures out the NIL stuff, he is going to take off with it and you know he can compete in SEC.

I think give CML this year and next at least but if it shows not to take go after Freeze. Those of you I know will go nuts on me saying this but, BUT YOU ALL ARE WANTING TO WIN NOW AND FREEZE WILL.

[SilentSteel16]

Going to be a hard pass for me on GUS though.

[SilentSteel16]

Plus on the Freeze side, you don’t think that dude would want to absolutely stick it to Ole Miss the way they handled that whole situation. Although he may not give us time of day considering it was probably a connection to us how it all came out.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

I am all for giving CML sometime and not jumping the gun just yet, but he does need to improve to stay. With that being said, I would personally love to see us get Freeze. Past transgressions be what they are, that dude is a flat out good coach and heck of a recruiter. Once he figures out the NIL stuff, he is going to take off with it and you know he can compete in SEC.

I think give CML this year and next at least but if it shows not to take go after Freeze. Those of you I know will go nuts on me saying this but, BUT YOU ALL ARE WANTING TO WIN NOW AND FREEZE WILL.

If we hire Freeze, I will be done with MSU football.

[memsu06]

You all need to stop comparing leach's records at WSU and TT. They didn't play teams like you see week in and week out in the SEC. when he did play teams with that similar talent make up to say... UK or UT... guess what he got beat. Look at his record against Washington just to name one.
But let's keep throwing time and money to a staff that doesnt recruit and keeps running the same old boring ass offense. This board reminds me croom level blind faith circa 2006-2008.
A good coach adapts to his talent he has to try and win now not blow up the program. Those guys would coach our roster circles around this shit show of a staff we currently have. It's what Mullen did til he got his guys but in the meantime we won games.
Y'all wouldn't know good football from
Bad football if it hit you in the face we just happy to put up 500yds of offense. Fans like you, preach and Quara and why we have this Po Ol mithippi stathe
GTFOH with that thinking. Demand results in football the way we do in baseball.

I was at MSU during the Croom years. I watched us get blown out multiple times.

Even Mullen dropped games 45-0 to LSU. He lost to South Alabama. I remember taking my wife to see us play Auburn. We got absolutely killed by halftime absolute complete domination.

Bottom line is other than a few years with Dan we're a 7-9 win team only if we get a break with Ark and Ole Miss being down.

Leach doesn't get scared in big games like Dan. He's of the mindset that if you play hard physical football for 4 quarters you'll win the game. Isn't that what we want in a coach? Unlike Moorhead how had optional workouts.

The plays are there for us to win games. No telling how many points we left off the board this year. We'll be a dang good team when we get over this hump.

If the Air Raid is so bad and as you say won't work against SEC competition then why do they use Air Raid concepts in the NFL?

[memsu06]

Plus on the Freeze side, you don?t think that dude would want to absolutely stick it to Ole Miss the way they handled that whole situation. Although he may not give us time of day considering it was probably a connection to us how it all came out.

We're the reason Freeze got fired. There's no way we're picking him up.

[Dawgfan77]

I was at MSU during the Croom years. I watched us get blown out multiple times.

Even Mullen dropped games 45-0 to LSU. He lost to South Alabama. I remember taking my wife to see us play Auburn. We got absolutely killed by halftime absolute complete domination.

Bottom line is other than a few years with Dan we're a 7-9 win team only if we get a break with Ark and Ole Miss being down.

Leach doesn't get scared in big games like Dan. He's of the mindset that if you play hard physical football for 4 quarters you'll win the game. Isn't that what we want in a coach? Unlike Moorhead how had optional workouts.

The plays are there for us to win games. No telling how many points we left off the board this year. We'll be a dang good team when we get over this hump.

If the Air Raid is so bad and as you say won't work against SEC competition then why do they use Air Raid concepts in the NFL?

So glad you were at MSU during croom. I remember Emory felker and Sherrill if we are comparing notes here.
Yes Dan got beat by USA but never got shut out by LSU but again don't let facts get in the way of your arguments... leach lost to Portland state ,Rutgers, Nevada, Eastern Washington and some bad Oregon state teams while at WSU but I'm sure those teams could have competed in the SEC. You just won't or cant get past being star struck that leach is out coach to fully understand his best days are behind him.

[Bothrops]

People need to forget Freeze. We wouldn't hire him and if he had other options, he wouldn't come anyway. Nobody worth a shit wanted this job in 2020, Our best bet is to hire a coordinator that is a little under the radar and hope he's good enough to get hired away after 3 or 4 seasons.

[EdwardDrayton]

If we hire Freeze, I will be done with MSU football.

Yep. My father played football for State; I?m a grad and a lifelong fan. If we hire Freeze, I would not attend or watch another game until he is gone. And I would actively lobby for Keenum and Cohen to be replaced.

[NCDawg]

So glad you were at MSU during croom. I remember Emory felker and Sherrill if we are comparing notes here.
Yes Dan got beat by USA but never got shut out by LSU but again don't let facts get in the way of your arguments... leach lost to Portland state ,Rutgers, Nevada, Eastern Washington and some bad Oregon state teams while at WSU but I'm sure those teams could have competed in the SEC. You just won't or cant get past being star struck that leach is out coach to fully understand his best days are behind him.

Leach lost to U of Washington, WSU's arch rival, 7 straight years. Don't think it will go over too well here if we lose to Ole Miss 7 straight years.

[Dawgfan77]

Leach lost to U of Washington, WSU's arch rival, 7 straight years. Don't think it will go over too well here if we lose to Ole Miss 7 straight years.
We may not put up with it after two straight losses. So when people start throwing out what leach did at other stops they never point out that he had some bad losses and now he is the SEC. So again I say. This shit offense won't work here. Not sure how much more some y'all need to see. Our best hope is leach heads to the Keys for good in December. He won't have bowl practice to worry about.

[R2Dawg]

I was at MSU during the Croom years. I watched us get blown out multiple times.

Even Mullen dropped games 45-0 to LSU. He lost to South Alabama. I remember taking my wife to see us play Auburn. We got absolutely killed by halftime absolute complete domination.

Bottom line is other than a few years with Dan we're a 7-9 win team only if we get a break with Ark and Ole Miss being down.

Leach doesn't get scared in big games like Dan. He's of the mindset that if you play hard physical football for 4 quarters you'll win the game. Isn't that what we want in a coach? Unlike Moorhead how had optional workouts.

The plays are there for us to win games. No telling how many points we left off the board this year. We'll be a dang good team when we get over this hump.

If the Air Raid is so bad and as you say won't work against SEC competition then why do they use Air Raid concepts in the NFL?

You just answered your own question. Concepts not pure air raid. See the NFL uses some concepts but no way use pure air raid because it won't work. Using some concepts is good. That is what created the spread option. Mixing concepts of the pure option and passing concepts to be a more balanced offense.

We need some other concepts mixed with air raid to be successful. Leach won't do it.

[R2Dawg]

Leach lost to U of Washington, WSU's arch rival, 7 straight years. Don't think it will go over too well here if we lose to Ole Miss 7 straight years.

No matter how bad our leadership, we ain't putting up with more than 3 straight losses. Has any MSU coach survived 3 straight losses in egg bowl?

Prediction now - 2022 egg bowl Leach is coaching for his job.

[Bothrops]

No matter how bad our leadership, we ain't putting up with more than 3 straight losses. Has any MSU coach survived 3 straight losses in egg bowl?

Prediction now - 2022 egg bowl Leach is coaching for his job.

Leach doesn't strike me as a guy that holds much interest in football rivalries.

[Dawgfan77]

Leach doesn't strike me as a guy that holds much interest in football at Mississippi state university .

Fixed it for you

[redstickdawg]

No matter how bad our leadership, we ain't putting up with more than 3 straight losses. Has any MSU coach survived 3 straight losses in egg bowl?

Prediction now - 2022 egg bowl Leach is coaching for his job.

his future will have been decided one way or another before then, he's either going through the motions (like now) or somehow pulled of a miracle turnaround.

[NCDawg]

No matter how bad our leadership, we ain't putting up with more than 3 straight losses. Has any MSU coach survived 3 straight losses in egg bowl?

Prediction now - 2022 egg bowl Leach is coaching for his job.

So I assume you think we will lose to Ole Miss this year. From what I've seen so far, I think you may be correct.

[R2Dawg]

So I assume you think we will lose to Ole Miss this year. From what I've seen so far, I think you may be correct.

Unless another freaky egg bowl happens we won't beat OM this year. But strange things have happened over the years. I'm just going by the product on the field by both teams right now.

So that leaves next year on the road in year 3 of Leach. If we are struggling in year 3 it will be like Croom in 08.

[Dak Holliday]

?Leach has been successful at every location he's been at. He's been at schools that traditionally didn't recruit that well and places it's hard to get recruits to come to to begin with.

Leach is perfect for us, you just got to give him time.?


Leach improved worse teams than us to our level and never really improved beyond that. Post Croom, Leach would have been a big improvement, but CDM built us beyond CML?s capacity. We are on a ship sailing in circles, or so it seems.

[Todd4State]

We're the reason Freeze got fired. There's no way we're picking him up.

Yeah. Doesn't have a lawsuit against Rosebowl? That interview room could be awkward to say the least.

[BeardoMSU]

Yeah. Doesn't have a lawsuit against Rosebowl? That interview room could be awkward to say the least.

Not only would his faux-religious schtick be annoying as hell (though I'm sure plenty would be snookered by it)...but how desperate/pathetic would we look in the process? Talk about sloppy seconds. **** that.

But there is zero chances of this happening, so no worries.

[Todd4State]

People need to forget Freeze. We wouldn't hire him and if he had other options, he wouldn't come anyway. Nobody worth a shit wanted this job in 2020, Our best bet is to hire a coordinator that is a little under the radar and hope he's good enough to get hired away after 3 or 4 seasons.

I do think our fans want someone like Freeze without all of the off the field actics with hookers. Southern/Mississippi guy, runs an up tempo offense that has some option in it which is a must for some of our fans apparently, and has Christian values. Even though Freeze's values are more like a TV preacher I think you get my point.

I disagree about hiring some coordinator. That's really only worked with Dan. The others haven't really worked out in Moorhead and Croom. I think we need to hire someone like Joe Judge and have him be a CEO type coach like Pittman or Orgeron and hire the best coordinators we can. That's essentially what Jackie Sherrill was and that worked pretty well for us too. Maybe someone a little more flexible than Jackie as far as offensive philosophy goes though. Imagine if we had a staff of say Judge, Todd Monken or Jeff Lebby, and Zach Arnett as coordinators?

I just think the coordinator route is really risky in actuality. The only coordinator guys in the SEC are Clark Lea, Kirby Smart who I have no idea how much input he had into Saban's defense really, and Mark Stoops at Kenucky. The rest are either guys with head coaching experience or guys like Beamer and Pittman who are good recruiters that rely on their coordinators for the X's and O's. If we got Judge we would probably get a lot more stability than we had when Dan was here. And after he gets the coordinators he just fills out the staff with elite recruiters.

[Todd4State]

Not only would his faux-religious schtick be annoying as hell (though I'm sure plenty would be snookered by it)...but how desperate/pathetic would we look in the process? Talk about sloppy seconds. **** that.

But there is zero chances of this happening, so no worries.

VERY. And I'm not sold that he can do his thing without cheating like he did at Ole Miss. Sure he has won at Liberty. But has anyone seen their schedule? It's almost programmed with 10 easy wins on it already.

My biggest problem with Freeze as a Christian is how he took things completely out of context at times.

[SilentSteel16]

I said Freeze due to his ability to push an offense and win. I personally want CML to stay for at least another year. I don’t think he is washed up and just collecting a check. I can see everyone’s frustration here but you have to realize that MSU is in the absolute toughest division in all of football. If you think we will have a coach come in and push for division relevance and titles within 3 years of being here, Cohen has spoiled you, that is not a trolling statement by the way. Cohen is a BASEBALL GUY. He knows baseball and he knew Lemo was a great hire. Now we all know it. State is a baseball school that has occasional good teams in other sports. Alabama is a football school, they can get rid of their other sports and it won’t make a difference. Everyone needs to relax, we are not Alabama in football. We are in Baseball. We were good in basketball but again, look at the Hump, look at DWS, then look at the Dude. That should tell you where out priorities are. Competing in football and basketball and having a good season is icing on the cake. Enjoy it and Hail State.

[Dak Holliday]

There for a while, I thought we were gonna be a girls basketball school, but you saw how Cohen single handedly killed that. It seems like his priorities are baseball first and everything else a distant second. I almost think he doesn?t want us to forget baseball is number 1, so he is in the process of eliminating the competition for our focus.

[Bothrops]

There for a while, I thought we were gonna be a girls basketball school, but you saw how Cohen single handedly killed that. It seems like his priorities are baseball first and everything else a distant second. I almost think he doesn?t want us to forget baseball is number 1, so he is in the process of eliminating the competition for our focus.

I don't blame Cohen for girls basketball, Vic Schaefer's abrupt departure did that in. We weren't getting another coach like him.

[Dak Holliday]

You don?t think Cohen was instrumental in VS leaving? I?ve heard differently.

[Bothrops]

You don?t think Cohen was instrumental in VS leaving? I?ve heard differently.

I've heard that but don't know it to be fact. I mean it wouldn't surprise me if true, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's all hearsay either. People have to have a scapegoat.

[Reunion Dog]

Cohen got rid of Vic PLAIN & SIMPLE? Keenum was lied to about how it happened also

As long as Cohen is out AD.. we r screwed. He is a joke as is his damn staff?. Which includes the head of the Bulldog Club.

[Dannyripms]

This right here all day. Leach will get us to winning 8 games a year. As long as he can do that he can stay as long as he wants. Lets keep winning natty's in baseball and be decent in all other sports.

[Hambone]

Cohen got rid of Vic PLAIN & SIMPLE? Keenum was lied to about how it happened also

As long as Cohen is out AD.. we r screwed. He is a joke as is his damn staff?. Which includes the head of the Bulldog Club.


Wrong wrong wrong on so many fronts. Texas contacted Vic and there was nothing John, Mark or Jesus himself could do to keep Vic at State.

[Coach34]

Wrong wrong wrong on so many fronts. Texas contacted Vic and there was nothing John, Mark or Jesus himself could do to keep Vic at State.

Thats not completely true but Vic is gone because of Vic. Thats the bottom line

[Commercecomet24]

Thats not completely true but Vic is gone because of Vic. Thats the bottom line

This and extenuating circumstances.

[R2Dawg]

This and extenuating circumstances.

Of what circumstances do you speak?

[R2Dawg]

There for a while, I thought we were gonna be a girls basketball school, but you saw how Cohen single handedly killed that. It seems like his priorities are baseball first and everything else a distant second. I almost think he doesn?t want us to forget baseball is number 1, so he is in the process of eliminating the competition for our focus.

If that is true, he should be fired immediately.

[Extendedcab]

I am not happy about the last 2 games but keep in mind we lost 2 games by a combined 5 points! That is better than years past where we would get shellacked by 30+ points.

"IF" we could play the entire game like we do in the last half of the 4th quarter, we would be 4 and 0. I think the team can do it it is just will they!

[State82]

This and extenuating circumstances.
Yep

[Activated Alpha]

I am not happy about the last 2 games but keep in mind we lost 2 games by a combined 5 points! That is better than years past where we would get shellacked by 30+ points.

"IF" we could play the entire game like we do in the last half of the 4th quarter, we would be 4 and 0. I think the team can do it it is just will they!

I also remember the croom years. As well as Mullen?s ***** showing against Bama, Auburn, Georgia, etc

[CaptainObvious]

If we hire Freeze, I will be done with MSU football.

But THE Bruce Dickinson, how will you get ?More Cowbell? if you are done with MSU?

I hated that guy when he was at Ole Miss. But I would be one of Hugh?s Hounds in the stands if State hired him.

[Dak Holliday]

😂 if we hire Freeze, I?m gonna buy maroon and white slush puppie machines and sell drinks called Chilly Dawgs?