Homedawg...

[CadaverDawg]

I've always respected your opinions, and you seem to have a pulse on the backup QB situation based on some recent posts...so I wanted to ask you and any others that want to comment a question or two.

First off, I'm NOT calling for the backup QB right now.

That being said, it's pretty common knowledge that our young QB's are more highly recruited and have better arm strength than Will does. We also saw Will come in last year as a true freshman and while he wasn't great, he wasn't as bad as KJ by a long shot.

So my question is....other than Will being a "film junkie" coming in as a freshman, what is making these young guys such a "huge step back" from Will? I mean, a guy like Greek or Robertson can't hold the ball for 4 seconds and dump it to a RB or throw a 5 yard slant? Because if they can do that, which any QB should be able to do, one would think their increased ability to take some deep shots with stronger arms would make them worth taking a shot at if this season continues down the path of poor offensive output, correct?

In other words, when you have a QB with a fairly weak arm, that has an issue with throwing the ball down field to open guys, a 6 play playbook, and nothing but zone defenses to familiarize yourself with, and two 4 star QB's in the on deck circle....what is making those two guys such a "huge step back"? How is that possible? How are guys with that much more talent than Will, and only 8 fewer college starts (as everyone wants to keep reminding us), unable to learn 6 plays, dissect 1 defense, and not know how to dump off passes 6 yards down the field if those 6 plays aren't open? It truly makes no sense to me as to how it's even possible to be a "huge drop off".

So I just want to know what you're seeing in practice, or hearing from practice, to make you confident that Robertson and Greek are so far behind Will. Again, I'm not doubting it, and I'm not calling for them to play right now...I'm simply trying to wrap my head around it bc it makes no sense to me. Can you elaborate with some details?

[Coach34]

Very well put- and also- why did we waste the 1st 3 weeks of Fall camp just going against our M2M D knowing we were going to see Drop 8 90% of the time this Fall?

[R2Dawg]

I've always respected your opinions, and you seem to have a pulse on the backup QB situation based on some recent posts...so I wanted to ask you and any others that want to comment a question or two.

First off, I'm NOT calling for the backup QB right now.

That being said, it's pretty common knowledge that our young QB's are more highly recruited and have better arm strength than Will does. We also saw Will come in last year as a true freshman and while he wasn't great, he wasn't as bad as KJ by a long shot.

So my question is....other than Will being a "film junkie" coming in as a freshman, what is making these young guys such a "huge step back" from Will? I mean, a guy like Greek or Robertson can't hold the ball for 4 seconds and dump it to a RB or throw a 5 yard slant? Because if they can do that, which any QB should be able to do, one would think their increased ability to take some deep shots with stronger arms would make them worth taking a shot at if this season continues down the path of poor offensive output, correct?

In other words, when you have a QB with a fairly weak arm, that has an issue with throwing the ball down field to open guys, a 6 play playbook, and nothing but zone defenses to familiarize yourself with, and two 4 star QB's in the on deck circle....what is making those two guys such a "huge step back"? How is that possible? How are guys with that much more talent than Will, and only 8 fewer college starts (as everyone wants to keep reminding us), unable to learn 6 plays, dissect 1 defense, and not know how to dump off passes 6 yards down the field if those 6 plays aren't open? It truly makes no sense to me as to how it's even possible to be a "huge drop off".

So I just want to know what you're seeing in practice, or hearing from practice, to make you confident that Robertson and Greek are so far behind Will. Again, I'm not doubting it, and I'm not calling for them to play right now...I'm simply trying to wrap my head around it bc it makes no sense to me. Can you elaborate with some details?

Agree. That was my point the other day about Shrader. He could stand and throw it 5 yards all day but he would at least add the run threat. We been in reverse on O since Leach got here. I don't care about passing records, only about MSU W-L record and us competing. Unless something changes, that won't happen. SEC Ds are circling our game like they do Vandy.

[msstate7]

If there's an ocean between Rogers and our backups, we missed on our backups. I don't think all freshmen are ready to play early, but a 4-star's talent would show through if he's a true 4-star. I'm beginning to think we'll be hitting the "free agent" circuit hard this offseason.

ETA... now if the gap is closing every week, maybe we didn't miss. The gap should be closing though...

ETA2... it's not like we recruited Sawyer from a triple option offense. He shouldn't be terribly raw throwing, and he should be picking up the offense

[ShotgunDawg]

The player I watched for Lubbock Coronado last year was light years better than Rogers in HS. It's mal-practice if that guy is truly 4th string.

No 17ing way

[Coach34]

SEC Ds are circling our game like they do Vandy.

I dont think they are. DC's are bored to hell and back playing Prevent the whole game. Thats why they switch it up a few times here and there- to avoid falling asleep coaching against Wishbone 2020. We're bored watching it as fans. Imagine how bored LSU's DC is watching cut ups of 50 passes in 3 games to RB's. Their LB coach in meetings is having to stress dont get a targeting call when you blow up our RB as he catches the ball. Safeties coach is telling them to "keep your ass on the hash because they will never throw deep if you do". I'd be going- "call the GA's in here and make them watch this garbage. Clip a play if they somehow do something different"

[ShotgunDawg]

I dont think they are. DC's are bored to hell and back playing Prevent the whole game. Thats why they switch it up a few times here and there- to avoid falling asleep coaching against Wishbone 2020. We're bored watching it as fans. Imagine how bored LSU's DC is watching cut ups of 50 passes in 3 games to RB's. Their LB coach in meetings is having to stress dont get a targeting call when you blow up our RB as he catches the ball. Safeties coach is telling them to "keep your ass on the hash because they will never throw deep if you do". I'd be going- "call the GA's in here and make them watch this garbage. Clip a play if they somehow do something different"

This is funny and some truth. Fixing QB I believe would go a long ways in fixing this.

[defiantdog]

The Manning's pointed something out last night that was interesting. Detroit kept running cover 2 against GB all night to play against the big plays. They were talking about the GB offense staying patient and take chances when you get opportunities. And every time Detroit switched and played man, Rodgers would hurl it downfield. Even on 3rd and short plays. Our Rogers seems to try to force it even when it's not there..... Might be why he hangs on to the ball so much. Hopefully this is something he learns in time to take what the defense gives you and open it up when you get your opportunities.

[Tbonewannabe]

If there's an ocean between Rogers and our backups, we missed on our backups. I don't think all freshmen are ready to play early, but a 4-star's talent would show through if he's a true 4-star. I'm beginning to think we'll be hitting the "free agent" circuit hard this offseason.

ETA... now if the gap is closing every week, maybe we didn't miss. The gap should be closing though...

ETA2... it's not like we recruited Sawyer from a triple option offense. He shouldn't be terribly raw throwing, and he should be picking up the offense

We also aren't talking about true freshmen beating out a veteran. Will didn't have a Spring or Summer practice and was sick the first few weeks of last year. He has 7 or so game experience over Greek. So 3 or so months is the big difference? They both went through Spring and Summer practice. I could see Robertson being behind since he wasn't here in Spring but why would there be such a big difference in Rogers and Greek?

[Gutter Cobreh]

The Manning's pointed something out last night that was interesting. Detroit kept running cover 2 against GB all night to play against the big plays. They were talking about the GB offense staying patient and take chances when you get opportunities. And every time Detroit switched and played man, Rodgers would hurl it downfield. Even on 3rd and short plays. Our Rogers seems to try to force it even when it's not there..... Might be why he hangs on to the ball so much. Hopefully this is something he learns in time to take what the defense gives you and open it up when you get your opportunities.

It's a never ending cycle. What was mentioned on that broadcast was to continue running the ball until they brought those safeties up. Leach's system doesn't incorporate the run enough, and thus you end up with a lot of check downs to the RB.

The fact remains, until Leach changes (which isn't going to happen) - we're stuck in an endless cycle of regurgitating the same information week in and week out...

[Tbonewannabe]

It's a never ending cycle. What was mentioned on that broadcast was to continue running the ball until they brought those safeties up. Leach's system doesn't incorporate the run enough, and thus you end up with a lot of check downs to the RB.

The fact remains, until Leach changes (which isn't going to happen) - we're stuck in an endless cycle of regurgitating the same information week in and week out...

It seems like Leach's offense is purely based on crossing routes confusing the defense and the QB just has to wait long enough for someone to get open. If not, throw it down to the RB and he hopefully makes someone miss and get big YAC. Unfortunately, SEC defenses are a lot better at tackling so those long runs by RBs are turning into 1-2 yard passes.

[TrapGame]

It seems like Leach's offense is purely based on crossing routes confusing the defense and the QB just has to wait long enough for someone to get open. If not, throw it down to the RB and he hopefully makes someone miss and get big YAC. Unfortunately, SEC defenses are a lot better at tackling so those long runs by RBs are turning into 1-2 yard passes.

McIntyre moved a linebacker to cover the RB. In doing so the zone in the middle of the field increased. This caused Austin Williams to be open almost every play for a quick ten yards before a defender adjusted and closed on him. As soon as Will looked to the RB to dump off the LB was jetting his three or four yards to tackle him. Will takes too damn long. We have guys open.

[Todd4State]

Will actually got to MSU when Moorhead was the coach for bowl practice. Sawyer just got here for fall camp. So he's only been here a couple of months. And yes that's a big difference.

I think Sawyer hurt us inadvertently by not being here in the spring.

[Dawgfan77]

Greek:, big that's it.. was a reach was always going to be 2nd qb in a class
Robertson: more focused on baseball than football. Has the physical tools but heads not in it.
Neither can beat out a 5"9 walk on from south Alabama

[Turfdawg67]

Very well put- and also- why did we waste the 1st 3 weeks of Fall camp just going against our M2M D knowing we were going to see Drop 8 90% of the time this Fall?

Huh? Why would our D practice something they'd almost never run? They have to prepare too right? Or did I miss something here?

[Coach34]

Huh? Why would our D practice something they'd almost never run? They have to prepare too right? Or did I miss something here?

At practice- You can have 1's vs 1's and each group run their shit and compete.

But it's coaching malpractice not to have the offense going against the defense they will see 90% of the time for the 1st 3 weeks of practice. You put a defense on a playcard and tell those mf'ers to run it and help the offense. Just like you have playcards with opponents offense on it- and have the offense run it for the defense.

This isnt rocket surgery

[Homedawg]

I've always respected your opinions, and you seem to have a pulse on the backup QB situation based on some recent posts...so I wanted to ask you and any others that want to comment a question or two.

First off, I'm NOT calling for the backup QB right now.

That being said, it's pretty common knowledge that our young QB's are more highly recruited and have better arm strength than Will does. We also saw Will come in last year as a true freshman and while he wasn't great, he wasn't as bad as KJ by a long shot.

So my question is....other than Will being a "film junkie" coming in as a freshman, what is making these young guys such a "huge step back" from Will? I mean, a guy like Greek or Robertson can't hold the ball for 4 seconds and dump it to a RB or throw a 5 yard slant? Because if they can do that, which any QB should be able to do, one would think their increased ability to take some deep shots with stronger arms would make them worth taking a shot at if this season continues down the path of poor offensive output, correct?

In other words, when you have a QB with a fairly weak arm, that has an issue with throwing the ball down field to open guys, a 6 play playbook, and nothing but zone defenses to familiarize yourself with, and two 4 star QB's in the on deck circle....what is making those two guys such a "huge step back"? How is that possible? How are guys with that much more talent than Will, and only 8 fewer college starts (as everyone wants to keep reminding us), unable to learn 6 plays, dissect 1 defense, and not know how to dump off passes 6 yards down the field if those 6 plays aren't open? It truly makes no sense to me as to how it's even possible to be a "huge drop off".

So I just want to know what you're seeing in practice, or hearing from practice, to make you confident that Robertson and Greek are so far behind Will. Again, I'm not doubting it, and I'm not calling for them to play right now...I'm simply trying to wrap my head around it bc it makes no sense to me. Can you elaborate with some details?

I'm gonna answer this short and sweet. Every single time ive asked about robertson, I get this, "he's behind Greek. Neither one are even remotely close to being ready. But there is a gap between them and huge one w who is playing. Don't know where to go w the ball. Not actuate enough and the sped of the game is just too much"..... hopefully, that will get better w time. We shall se.

[Coach34]

I'm gonna answer this short and sweet. Every single time ive asked about robertson, I get this, "he's behind Greek. Neither one are even remotely close to being ready. But there is a gap between them and huge one w who is playing. Don't know where to go w the ball. Not actuate enough and the sped of the game is just too much"..... hopefully, that will get better w time. We shall se.

Which is mind-boggling considering Rogers gets 4 seconds to throw on the reg- and that is unheard of in today's football. But because of our offensive philosophy and throwing it 54 times per game- we see the Prevent play after play after play

[CadaverDawg]

I'm gonna answer this short and sweet. Every single time ive asked about robertson, I get this, "he's behind Greek. Neither one are even remotely close to being ready. But there is a gap between them and huge one w who is playing. Don't know where to go w the ball. Not actuate enough and the sped of the game is just too much"..... hopefully, that will get better w time. We shall se.

Thanks man

[Homedawg]

Thanks man

Any time. Just don't shoot the messenger. Which I'm waiting for... but oh well...

[CadaverDawg]

Any time. Just don't shoot the messenger. Which I'm waiting for... but oh well...

Nah, you're only sharing what you heard. That's all I can ask. It's still surprising to me, but it is what it is. Thanks again

[Bdawg]

Which is mind-boggling considering Rogers gets 4 seconds to throw on the reg- and that is unheard of in today's football. But because of our offensive philosophy and throwing it 54 times per game- we see the Prevent play after play after play

Do you see open receivers down field like most on here seem to see?

[Coach34]

Do you see open receivers down field like most on here seem to see?

I've been watching on TV so no- I'm not seeing it live and seeing what is going on downfield. I do know we absolutely never have a WR catching a ball wide ass open like you see in every other game on TV every Saturday. Why is that you think? Why are our WR's and RB getting blown up constantly?

But what watching it on TV does allow me to see is the defense rush 3 play after play- and I can see the underneath players drop on the snap. LB's are taught to take a step forward at the snap as a rule. But against us? They drop on the snap. I dont raise hell on here about Rogers because I know how hard it is for him to throw against 8 play after play. I would never put that on my QB. You are asking the impossible.

[Todd4State]

I'm gonna answer this short and sweet. Every single time ive asked about robertson, I get this, "he's behind Greek. Neither one are even remotely close to being ready. But there is a gap between them and huge one w who is playing. Don't know where to go w the ball. Not actuate enough and the sped of the game is just too much"..... hopefully, that will get better w time. We shall se.

I'm not surprised just based on knowing when they got to school. Greek had the spring and Robertson just got here. As far as the future as you said we shall see. Personally I'm not expecting either one to be ready until 2023 at the very earliest and to be honest that's optimistic. I would project one or the other starting in 2024.

[Homedawg]

I've been watching on TV so no- I'm not seeing it live and seeing what is going on downfield. I do know we absolutely never have a WR catching a ball wide ass open like you see in every other game on TV every Saturday. Why is that you think? Why are our WR's and RB getting blown up constantly?

But what watching it on TV does allow me to see is the defense rush 3 play after play- and I can see the underneath players drop on the snap. LB's are taught to take a step forward at the snap as a rule. But against us? They drop on the snap. I dont raise hell on here about Rogers because I know how hard it is for him to throw against 8 play after play. I would never put that on my QB. You are asking the impossible.

All this. The problem is people in the stands and tv see the entire field. Rogers can only see the part he's looking at. I'm not saying Rogers is perfect, far from it. But he can't see what I came see or anyone else can see. .... and yes. To the lb don't step up. They absolutely freeze or step back. No other threat.... we have issues, first scheme, then the qb Bc he won't throw it down the field. Which might or might not be his fault ... depends who you ask

[confucius say]

The LB do step forward on a run. From what I can tell watching the Memphis game again, they have OL as a cue and when our OL takes a zone block step they immediately fly downhill. That is why the 2-3 times we used play action against nc state there were open spaces 10-12 yards down field and will hit it. When the OL, pass set, the lb drop.

[Commercecomet24]

All this. The problem is people in the stand and tv see the entire field. Rogers can only see the part he's looking at. I'm not saying Rogers is perfect, far from it. But he can't see what I came see or anyone else can see. .... and yes. To the lb don't step up. They absolutely freeze or step back. No other threat.... we have issues, first scheme, then the qb Bc he won't throw it down the field. Which might or might not be his fault ... depends who you ask

The things that's so perplexing is when Will has been forced to take the shots he's somehow found ways to get the ball downfield, and that's been when we've been behind and defenses are playing prevent for sure. It's hard to comprehend that he takes the check downs or short routes but then all of a sudden we get behind and we're hitting deeper routes. It's dumbfounding to me, maybe someone else has an explanation for it.

[Homedawg]

Oh it's clear he looks for them when he "has" to. Just need him to do it more.

[Commercecomet24]

Oh it's clear he looks for them when he "has" to. Just need him to do it more.

Exactly

[Cowbell]

I've been watching on TV so no- I'm not seeing it live and seeing what is going on downfield. I do know we absolutely never have a WR catching a ball wide ass open like you see in every other game on TV every Saturday. Why is that you think? Why are our WR's and RB getting blown up constantly?

But what watching it on TV does allow me to see is the defense rush 3 play after play- and I can see the underneath players drop on the snap. LB's are taught to take a step forward at the snap as a rule. But against us? They drop on the snap. I dont raise hell on here about Rogers because I know how hard it is for him to throw against 8 play after play. I would never put that on my QB. You are asking the impossible.

This is why anybody on here that bashes our oline or qb automatically loses credibility due to not understanding that they are setup for failure. The most ignorant of all is the captain of the ship..and he likes to bash his players on the regular.
It's amazing to think that the pinnacle of his coaching career was 2008 and he hasn't made any major adjustments to his scheme since. It seems that anybody else that has done this is without a job.

[Cowbell]

All this. The problem is people in the stands and tv see the entire field. Rogers can only see the part he's looking at. I'm not saying Rogers is perfect, far from it. But he can't see what I came see or anyone else can see. .... and yes. To the lb don't step up. They absolutely freeze or step back. No other threat.... we have issues, first scheme, then the qb Bc he won't throw it down the field. Which might or might not be his fault ... depends who you ask
Homedawg - do you have any intel on whether or not assistants agree/disagree with the scheme? Do we have a dictator unwilling to adapt or an entire staff? I would bet my house that arnette is gone after this year - you can tell something isn't right with him.

[Dawgfan77]

Homedawg - do you have any intel on whether or not assistants agree/disagree with the scheme? Do we have a dictator unwilling to adapt or an entire staff? I would bet my house that arnette is gone after this year - you can tell something isn't right with him.

Not homedawg but I can answer this for you. They all came from WSU and believe in the system. If I here them say one more time we are so young and just need more reps I'm gonna puke. AR didn't need more reps, AU didn't need more reps, OM didn't know more reps. It's this staffs version of we need better execution.
And another thing on the QB, they know they have to win and win big next year and they now realized they had some misses on the QBs in this blast class. They are going to go hard on some transfers. Yet they need more reps?? It's a trainwreck guys
They have blown up this program and I'm not sure how we get it back without cutting bait.

[PMDawg]

Which is mind-boggling considering Rogers gets 4 seconds to throw on the reg- and that is unheard of in today's football. But because of our offensive philosophy and throwing it 54 times per game- we see the Prevent play after play after play

And the scary part is that once he figures out how to beat that defense (if he ever does), then DCs will actually start throwing some hard stuff at him. Right now, they're all gambling that he can't beat the most basic of defenses....and they're winning!

[starkvegasdawg]

Run game is abysmal because they're basically going against 9 in the box and the safeties are almost that close. As soon as they see handoff they have the entire team right there because they have no fear of a pass going more than 10 yards downfield.

[dawgman15]

Not homedawg but I can answer this for you. They all came from WSU and believe in the system. If I here them say one more time we are so young and just need more reps I'm gonna puke. AR didn't need more reps, AU didn't need more reps, OM didn't know more reps. It's this staffs version of we need better execution.
And another thing on the QB, they know they have to win and win big next year and they now realized they had some misses on the QBs in this blast class. They are going to go hard on some transfers. Yet they need more reps?? It's a trainwreck guys
They have blown up this program and I'm not sure how we get it back without cutting bait.

What is it about Mississippi state that makes us different from the last two stops Leach was at outside of being in the SEC? All of the schools Leach has been too have been the underdog schools of the conference. You can sit here and lie to yourself about us not being that but it is just facts historically speaking. It is shown that their is a slight uptick in production of year 2 of switching over to Mike Leach's style of air raid but you really see the difference in year 3. If we can't give a coach a minimum of 3 years after firing a coach in 2 years we will never be good. I'm not saying Mike Leach is going to work here, hell I've always had my doubts about his scheme but we have at least got to allow him one more year before we can fully declare this will never work. At this point it is almost like we are cheering for him to fail

[ShotgunDawg]

Run game is abysmal because they're basically going against 9 in the box and the safeties are almost that close. As soon as they see handoff they have the entire team right there because they have no fear of a pass going more than 10 yards downfield.

This is the truth. It's why a stronger armed QB & attacking the field vertical would tremendously help our offense

[Cowbell]

What is it about Mississippi state that makes us different from the last two stops Leach was at outside of being in the SEC? All of the schools Leach has been too have been the underdog schools of the conference. You can sit here and lie to yourself about us not being that but it is just facts historically speaking. It is shown that their is a slight uptick in production of year 2 of switching over to Mike Leach's style of air raid but you really see the difference in year 3. If we can't give a coach a minimum of 3 years after firing a coach in 2 years we will never be good. I'm not saying Mike Leach is going to work here, hell I've always had my doubts about his scheme but we have at least got to allow him one more year before we can fully declare this will never work. At this point it is almost like we are cheering for him to fail

The difference is Leach hasn't adapted at all when even Saban proved you have to constantly evolve an offense and a defense. The best college coach ever had to hire lane kiffin to revamp his offense (his words) even though he had a massive talent gap over most of the teams he faces.

[FISHDAWG]

All this. The problem is people in the stands and tv see the entire field. Rogers can only see the part he's looking at. I'm not saying Rogers is perfect, far from it. But he can't see what I came see or anyone else can see. .... and yes. To the lb don't step up. They absolutely freeze or step back. No other threat.... we have issues, first scheme, then the qb Bc he won't throw it down the field. Which might or might not be his fault ... depends who you ask

I think the issue is PRIDE. Mike Leach is known as the architect of the Air Raid offense and he wears that like a pride patch. It gives him an air of celebrity. Of course he will continue to promote it - it's like pushing his own brand. Every time the broadcast starts you will hear Mike Leaches Air-Raid and he sees that as promoting himself.
So this is part of why he refuses to modify or adapt this scheme... The Pirate just isn't enough- right or wrong he wants this legacy and I think it will never change no matter where he is ... Sad thing is I think a modified version that incorporates more RPO and some misdirection as well as being able to have a dead ahead run for 2-4 yards would elevate him in coaching lore more than straight air-raid

[Tbonewannabe]

What is it about Mississippi state that makes us different from the last two stops Leach was at outside of being in the SEC? All of the schools Leach has been too have been the underdog schools of the conference. You can sit here and lie to yourself about us not being that but it is just facts historically speaking. It is shown that their is a slight uptick in production of year 2 of switching over to Mike Leach's style of air raid but you really see the difference in year 3. If we can't give a coach a minimum of 3 years after firing a coach in 2 years we will never be good. I'm not saying Mike Leach is going to work here, hell I've always had my doubts about his scheme but we have at least got to allow him one more year before we can fully declare this will never work. At this point it is almost like we are cheering for him to fail

This sounds a lot like Croom speak. If it takes your players 3 years to learn your system in college then we are kind of screwed. We have to see some progress this year. I am not saying putting up 50 points on the regular but we need to actually show some type of offense before the 4th quarter when teams have taken their foot off the gas. Last year, we got a little hope in the UGA and Mizzou games but every other game pretty much sucked. If Arnett wasn't putting a top half of the SEC defense on the field, it would have looked like Croom days. We have enough talent to at least compete in the SEC but that is not happening on offense.

[Dawgfan77]

What is it about Mississippi state that makes us different from the last two stops Leach was at outside of being in the SEC? All of the schools Leach has been too have been the underdog schools of the conference. You can sit here and lie to yourself about us not being that but it is just facts historically speaking. It is shown that their is a slight uptick in production of year 2 of switching over to Mike Leach's style of air raid but you really see the difference in year 3. If we can't give a coach a minimum of 3 years after firing a coach in 2 years we will never be good. I'm not saying Mike Leach is going to work here, hell I've always had my doubts about his scheme but we have at least got to allow him one more year before we can fully declare this will never work. At this point it is almost like we are cheering for him to fail

At his other stops he didn't have to play Bama, Auburn, UGA, And LSU. He played the equivalent of Ole miss and KYs. Still lost some of those games and lesser opponents
He also coached in the Big 12 was flag football on the defensive side

[thf24]

The things that's so perplexing is when Will has been forced to take the shots he's somehow found ways to get the ball downfield, and that's been when we've been behind and defenses are playing prevent for sure. It's hard to comprehend that he takes the check downs or short routes but then all of a sudden we get behind and we're hitting deeper routes. It's dumbfounding to me, maybe someone else has an explanation for it.

Pure speculation, but I think he can't get KJ turning the ball over every third play last year out of his head. I don't care what the gurus on here say (no offense, truly); even if we can't see them, the fact that we suddenly started flying down the field in chunks in two of our first three games once it became the only way to win says guys are open down the field, specifically in the intermediate middle. Will has to find the confidence to hit those guys earlier in the game. KJ couldn't keep the ball because he didn't have a clue how to read a zone. Will should at this point and I think he does; he just has to trust himself.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The player I watched for Lubbock Coronado last year was light years better than Rogers in HS. It's mal-practice if that guy is truly 4th string.

No 17ing way

Its almost like you are the one who is wrong but you just cant see it. I dont blame you but you just cant see it.

Robertson played in a 7 on 7 league compared to 6A ball in MS?I would bet my paycheck you have watched very little of either live in person in Hs. All Will did was beat Plumlee and Jimmy Holiday head to head, those werent the only ones either.. Threw a game winning TD pass in the 6A playoffs to that Mingo kid. Whatever happened to him? Like 200 yards last week? But he sucks too huh

[FISHDAWG]

Its almost like you are the one who is wrong but you just cant see it. I dont blame you but you just cant see it.

Robertson played in a 7 on 7 league compared to 6A ball in MS?I would bet my paycheck you have watched very little of either live in person in Hs. All Will did was beat Plumlee and Jimmy Holiday head to head, those werent the only ones either.. Threw a game winning TD pass in the 6A playoffs to that Mingo kid. Whatever happened to him? Like 200 yards last week? But he sucks too huh

I think Will is capable but just trying to do what he's been coached and instructed to do... I get frustrated with him not taking off and running some times but then I have to remind myself who will come in and take his place if he goes down. Same thing with being hesitant to hurl the ball downfield... better to get a few yards than to turn the ball over ..... I think we will be able to better judge him next year when hopefully he's "turned loose " for a more aggressive approach

[BuckyIsAB****]

I think Will is capable but just trying to do what he's been coached and instructed to do... I get frustrated with him not taking off and running some times but then I have to remind myself who will come in and take his place if he goes down. Same thing with being hesitant to hurl the ball downfield... better to get a few yards than to turn the ball over ..... I think we will be able to better judge him next year when hopefully he's "turned loose " for a more aggressive approach

Louisiana Tech played 2 9 techs and a head up nose at times and we still threw the football. That should tell you a lot. Will can check to a run but at the cost of getting ripped. And not many can rip you like Leach can.

[CadaverDawg]

Louisiana Tech played 2 9 techs and a head up nose at times and we still threw the football. That should tell you a lot. Will can check to a run but at the cost of getting ripped. And not many can rip you like Leach can.

Unless you're an official that just screwed his team out of a W.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Unless you're an official that just screwed his team out of a W.

Haha very good point, I would have loved to have heard what he said on the field bc doing it on Monday isnt the time or the place.

[Homedawg]

Unless you're an official that just screwed his team out of a W.

He actually looked pretty upset on tv. But during the course of a fame it never helped Mullen here either and he went crazy lots of times on refs. Going nuts doesn't change much. Except calming the insecure fan that thinks the coach doesn't care....which quite frankly is stupid. And not referring to you. Just in general.