It's all in the plan boys...

[ScoobaDawg]

We all heard it over and over from wsu and tech fans.
Leach will always have one lose on the year where you say wtf.
But then he gets one he's not supposed to...


Here's to hoping that holds true.

[Lord McBuckethead]

That entire statement is wishy washy crap, and this is why historically Leach has never won anything of consequence. Our entire team worked for 10 months to shit the bed against Memphis. It is unacceptable and every time it happens we basically restart and now have to look to next year. The goal, now cannot be reached for this year. It is over, unless we win 10 in a row. So.... we now need 10 in a row. Good Luck Leach.

[Maverick91]

That entire statement is wishy washy crap, and this is why historically Leach has never won anything of consequence. Our entire team worked for 10 months to shit the bed against Memphis. It is unacceptable and every time it happens we basically restart and now have to look to next year. The goal, now cannot be reached for this year. It is over, unless we win 10 in a row. So.... we now need 10 in a row. Good Luck Leach.

Ehh, IF IF IF, we can come out this Saturday and not look sloppy and win. The ship will look like it is being turned in the correct direction.

[StateDawg44]

Well if we beat LSU this weekend I'm not counting that as the counter to this loss necessarily. Will need to be much bigger than beating this years LSU team.

[Dawgfan77]

Well... playing Oregon state Arizona Arizona state Cal and Colorado ain't the same as playing the SEC..

[smootness]

The goal, now cannot be reached for this year. It is over, unless we win 10 in a row. So.... we now need 10 in a row. Good Luck Leach.

What?

[Matt3467]

That entire statement is wishy washy crap, and this is why historically Leach has never won anything of consequence. Our entire team worked for 10 months to shit the bed against Memphis. It is unacceptable and every time it happens we basically restart and now have to look to next year. The goal, now cannot be reached for this year. It is over, unless we win 10 in a row. So.... we now need 10 in a row. Good Luck Leach.

Memphis got as lucky as one can get and still barely came out on top and they were at home where they've won something like 17 or 18 straight. There were two series in that game that I believe Leach screwed up and they were the turning it over on downs (Polk also dropped a td on 3rd down) and going for 2 again after the penalty. Both shouldn't have happened but on the flip side Memphis ran a fumble back for a TD, gets handed 7 points on a dead play, gets handed the ball back on an onside kick we recovered and squeaks through a 51yd fg.

I'm upset with the officials and our administration. It seems like every other year we get screwed by officiating and our administration always waves an olive branch. We need to stand up and get loud when debacles like Memphis happens. 2018 Bama and 2021 Memphis almost make me never want to watch football again due to officiating and our lousy no spine administration.

[Tbonewannabe]

Memphis got as lucky as one can get and still barely came out on top and they were at home where they've won something like 17 or 18 straight. There were two series in that game that I believe Leach screwed up and they were the turning it over on downs (Polk also dropped a td on 3rd down) and going for 2 again after the penalty. Both shouldn't have happened but on the flip side Memphis ran a fumble back for a TD, gets handed 7 points on a dead play, gets handed the ball back on an onside kick we recovered and squeaks through a 51yd fg.

I'm upset with the officials and our administration. It seems like every other year we get screwed by officiating and our administration always waves an olive branch. We need to stand up and get loud when debacles like Memphis happens. 2018 Bama and 2021 Memphis almost make me never want to watch football again due to officiating and our lousy no spine administration.

The only reason we were in that game is because of the defense. Our offense isn't even getting the average of what our opponents are giving up. Look at last year's Ole Miss defense, it was one of the worst in the country but we still couldn't score 30.

[Matt3467]

The only reason we were in that game is because of the defense. Our offense isn't even getting the average of what our opponents are giving up. Look at last year's Ole Miss defense, it was one of the worst in the country but we still couldn't score 30.

I won't argue your first point. As others have pointed out, and I know I have too, Leach has historically had down years the first few years. That's not even taking into account that last year was a mess to begin with as we had no spring, a new coach, and we we're completely changing offensive philosophies so it was a recipe for chaos. Regardless what Bucky says I don't believe Will is the answer *right now*. He could be eventually but I think he's average at best and slow on the decision making side. He's young and the only way is up from here. I don't have much optimism for the others behind him. I've had the mindset that year 3 would be when we'd see what Leach is capable of at State.

[Tbonewannabe]

I won't argue your first point. As others have pointed out, and I know I have too, Leach has historically had down years the first few years. That's not even taking into account that last year was a mess to begin with as we had no spring, a new coach, and we we're completely changing offensive philosophies so it was a recipe for chaos. Regardless what Bucky says I don't believe Will is the answer *right now*. He could be eventually but I think he's average at best and slow on the decision making side. He's young and the only way is up from here. I don't have much optimism for the others behind him. I've had the mindset that year 3 would be when we'd see what Leach is capable of at State.

I just don't have much hope on Leach's offense against SEC defenses. Maybe we can put up 50-60 on shit defenses like Memphis or La Tech next year but we were doing that with Moorhead's offense. I just don't think this offense works against the speed of SEC defenses. It shouldn't take 2-3 years to install an offense when every other team does it in one.

[msugolf]

We all heard it over and over from wsu and tech fans.
Leach will always have one lose on the year where you say wtf.
But then he gets one he's not supposed to...


Here's to hoping that holds true.

That's just code for "I'm lazy and sometimes I lose focus." Equate that to the work world and try explaining to your employer that sometimes I lose about 10% of our business because I do something stupid but I might make it up with someone you're not expecting. See where that gets ya.

[confucius say]

A leach offense allows G5 teams to stay with us bc it is not predicated on imposing your physical will against a defense like Dan and Joe could do to lesser G5 teams. We will never line up and run over any team, even a G5 team. You lose that physical advantage over a lesser team in the leach offense.

On the flip side, it allows you to be in games against 4 and 5 star DL from Georgia and LSU who can physically whip you at the line of scrimmage bc you don't have to impose your physical will to move the ball.

That's why all in the same season leach can can beat top 15 teams like Stanford and lose to eastern wash (2016);

or beat top 10 usc and lose to meh Arizona (2017);

or go 9-4 with top 20 wins but lose to portland state (2017).

We've already won as an underdog this year and prob will again. May lose as a favorite again too. It's the Leach experience.

[Maverick91]

A leach offense allows G5 teams to stay with us bc it is not predicated on imposing your physical will against a defense like Dan and Joe could do to lesser G5 teams. We will never line up and run over any team, even a G5 team. You lose that physical advantage over a lesser team in the leach offense.

On the flip side, it allows you to be in games against 4 and 5 star DL from Georgia and LSU who can physically whip you at the line of scrimmage bc you don't have to impose your physical will to move the ball.

That's why all in the same season leach can can beat top 15 teams like Stanford and lose to eastern wash (2016);

or beat top 10 usc and lose to meh Arizona (2017);

or go 9-4 with top 20 wins but lose to portland state (2017).

We've already won as an underdog this year and prob will again. May lose as a favorite again too. It's the Leach experience.

Yeah! umm, that sucks!

[CadaverDawg]

This is why I don't want Leach and didn't want Leach. (One of many reasons actually)

Who wants a guy that is going to drop an easy game every season? And what defines a "win he's not supposed to get"? If you lose to Memphis, that pretty much makes any SEC win not named Vandy a surprise if you ask me. So basically we brought in a coach that lowers expectations by losing to lesser teams, then beats teams he should compete with and claims a big victory over a better team when it really isn't. Like a poster above said, now that we've lost to Memphis and struggled with La Tech, most of our fans would consider a win over LSU as HUGE...when in actuality LSU is not good at all, and we should be 3-0 and expecting to win this game at home. Leach did his job...made us all feel we're shitty by losing to shit teams, now an average win gains him support back. What a joke

[Coach34]

A leach offense allows G5 teams to stay with us bc it is not predicated on imposing your physical will against a defense like Dan and Joe could do to lesser G5 teams. We will never line up and run over any team, even a G5 team. You lose that physical advantage over a lesser team in the leach offense.

On the flip side, it allows you to be in games against 4 and 5 star DL from Georgia and LSU who can physically whip you at the line of scrimmage bc you don't have to impose your physical will to move the ball.

That's why all in the same season leach can can beat top 15 teams like Stanford and lose to eastern wash (2016);

or beat top 10 usc and lose to meh Arizona (2017);

or go 9-4 with top 20 wins but lose to portland state (2017).

We've already won as an underdog this year and prob will again. May lose as a favorite again too. It's the Leach experience.

I think that used to be true. But with teams playing us the same way week after week- those upsets are going to rarely happen. We won as a dog because of our D- not the offense that scored 17 points.

[msugolf]

A leach offense allows G5 teams to stay with us bc it is not predicated on imposing your physical will against a defense like Dan and Joe could do to lesser G5 teams. We will never line up and run over any team, even a G5 team. You lose that physical advantage over a lesser team in the leach offense.

On the flip side, it allows you to be in games against 4 and 5 star DL from Georgia and LSU who can physically whip you at the line of scrimmage bc you don't have to impose your physical will to move the ball.

That's why all in the same season leach can can beat top 15 teams like Stanford and lose to eastern wash (2016);

or beat top 10 usc and lose to meh Arizona (2017);

or go 9-4 with top 20 wins but lose to portland state (2017).

We've already won as an underdog this year and prob will again. May lose as a favorite again too. It's the Leach experience.

Then might as well reduce the seating capacity at Davis Wade to 40,000 cause that'll drive State fans to apathy. IMO a loss to a mediocre FCS school or someone you're supposed to beat does more harm than a win as an underdog does good, with the exception of beating a top 5 team. And this offense has zero chance of doing that in our league.

[msugolf]

This is why I don't want Leach and didn't want Leach. (One of many reasons actually)

Who wants a guy that is going to drop an easy game every season? And what defines a "win he's not supposed to get"? If you lose to Memphis, that pretty much makes any SEC win not named Vandy a surprise if you ask me. So basically we brought in a coach that lowers expectations by losing to lesser teams, then beats teams he should compete with and claims a big victory over a better team when it really isn't. Like a poster above said, now that we've lost to Memphis and struggled with La Tech, most of our fans would consider a win over LSU as HUGE...when in actuality LSU is not good at all, and we should be 3-0 and expecting to win this game at home. Leach did his job...made us all feel we're shitty by losing to shit teams, now an average win gains him support back. What a joke

This right here!

[CadaverDawg]

Then might as well reduce the seating capacity at Davis Wade to 40,000 cause that'll drive State fans to apathy. IMO a loss to a mediocre FCS school or someone you're supposed to beat does more harm than a win as an underdog does good, with the exception of beating a top 5 team. And this offense has zero chance of doing that in our league.

1000% agree. That Memphis loss hurt so much worse than a win over a Top 25 SEC team would do this year. Bc for all intents and purposes, your season and goals are squashed when you lose to a team like Memphis. Not to mention, games like MSU vs LSU become noon kickoffs all year when you lose to a shit team. It also hurts recruiting. Beating a good team now just makes you say "what if"

[The Federalist Engineer]

Yeah! umm, that sucks!

I am not a football guy, but when I lived in Big-12 country, I watched a little Big-12 ball with friends. It was basically flag football for TTU. The signature win versus Texas was predicated on the Flag Football tackling of Big-12 defenses. SEC defenders, totally different breed of cat.

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I played against better CBs in MSU intermural football.

[confucius say]

I think that used to be true. But with teams playing us the same way week after week- those upsets are going to rarely happen. We won as a dog because of our D- not the offense that scored 17 points.

You may be right. Plus sec athletes our generally better on defense. We will see.

[confucius say]

Then might as well reduce the seating capacity at Davis Wade to 40,000 cause that'll drive State fans to apathy. IMO a loss to a mediocre FCS school or someone you're supposed to beat does more harm than a win as an underdog does good, with the exception of beating a top 5 team. And this offense has zero chance of doing that in our league.

I'm not defending it. I'm just saying that is the track record. And the way his offense is intentionally built to lessen the need to be physically superior to your opponent.

[Dawgfan77]

Here's the deal guys
We operate on such a thin margin in football where you have to win the games your supposed to like Memphis to get to a bowl. Mullen made a mint out of beating those teams then beating UK and OM and ARK as well. Then every 3 or 4 years we would have a team with older players and would beat not only those teams but maybe best an LSU or AU and AM. In other words we shouldn't have hired a coach that's going to lose games every year to the La Tech and Memphis of the world.
I get the idea of what Cohen wanted to do with moving us into more of the passing offense. There are and have been others we could have gotten that would have "fit" better here than what has been hired. But he failed on the Moorehead hire and now looks like he has on leach as well. We had been to 10 straight bowl games playing that physical (ok, not so much SloMo)down hill running spread so why did Cohen blow this thing up. We found a formula that fit our DNA and Cohen blows it up and now where are? Fitghting for one point wins at home and 2 point losses on the road to Memphis and la tech.
I would love to have much more balanced attack with some big play potential but the air raid is done with ML at the helm
I could go on and on but you get the idea

[R2Dawg]

We all heard it over and over from wsu and tech fans.
Leach will always have one lose on the year where you say wtf.
But then he gets one he's not supposed to...


Here's to hoping that holds true.

I see you trying to be positive but look at the philosophy a little closer.

So we win one we aint' supposed to and lose one we shouldn't. 500 ball. Oh, and we still lose the rest we are supposed to, well that means failure at the end of the season. I'm not feeling any better about forecast.

[Coach34]

I'm just waiting on Leach's "some people around here think I inherited the 85 Bears" moment that's coming later on this season

[PGHBulldogBG]

It?s always going to be a roller coaster with Leach. For the most part when the season came out with Mullen you knew what games he would win and what he would lose. Generally this was around 85-90 percent accuracy. I feel like with Leach it?s a big wild card. Yes, Mullen lost to USA and bad Ole Miss teams when he was job shopping, but he didn?t really have many ? Mark losses. Leach already has 2 now in year 2. I feel like we will get at least 1 but most likely 2 every year. He needs to figure something out though or this team is 5-7 and not bowling

[Matt3467]

This is why I don't want Leach and didn't want Leach. (One of many reasons actually)

Who wants a guy that is going to drop an easy game every season? And what defines a "win he's not supposed to get"? If you lose to Memphis, that pretty much makes any SEC win not named Vandy a surprise if you ask me. So basically we brought in a coach that lowers expectations by losing to lesser teams, then beats teams he should compete with and claims a big victory over a better team when it really isn't. Like a poster above said, now that we've lost to Memphis and struggled with La Tech, most of our fans would consider a win over LSU as HUGE...when in actuality LSU is not good at all, and we should be 3-0 and expecting to win this game at home. Leach did his job...made us all feel we're shitty by losing to shit teams, now an average win gains him support back. What a joke

Mullen did the same thing. We always had an expectation for him to struggle every year in games where we shouldn't.

09: lost to Houston
10: struggled with UAB
11: went into OT vs LA Tech
12: Struggled with Troy, Lost to a 5-6 OM and Lost the bowl game with NW
13: beat Bowling Green by one point, nearly lost to a 1-5 Kentucky
14: Ended in disaster after throwing our playoff chances in the trash losing to an OM team that was 1-3 their last 4 games including a loss to Ark the weak before 30-0 and then losing to GT by multiple scores.
15: The only year we didn't struggle with lesser teams
16: lost to South Alabama, lost to BYU in double OT, had a slugfest with Samford, and nearly lost to Miami (OH)
17: Was losing to Umass at halftime, barely beat a sub .500 Ark and lost to a 5-6 OM again

This isn't anything new. We had the same thing with Croom losing to Tulane, Maine, UAB, Vandy, LA Tech. Sherrill had his share as well even during his good years (seemed he struggled with Memphis every year). It's easier to zoom in on Leach's shortcomings because it's present time and a lot of people already hated him before he got here, but I remember these same discussions going on when Mullen was here. People wanted him gone almost every year.

[HancockCountyDog]

I'm not sure our fanbase appreciates how Washington and their public shaming of Leach's offense and their 3-8 solution to his offense is gamechanger for Leach. I have not seen him solve this defense consistently, and until he does - its a problem.

[CadaverDawg]

Mullen did the same thing. We always had an expectation for him to struggle every year in games where we shouldn't.

09: lost to Houston
10: struggled with UAB
11: went into OT vs LA Tech
12: Struggled with Troy, Lost to a 5-6 OM and Lost the bowl game with NW
13: beat Bowling Green by one point, nearly lost to a 1-5 Kentucky
14: Ended in disaster after throwing our playoff chances in the trash losing to an OM team that was 1-3 their last 4 games including a loss to Ark the weak before 30-0 and then losing to GT by multiple scores.
15: The only year we didn't struggle with lesser teams
16: lost to South Alabama, lost to BYU in double OT, had a slugfest with Samford, and nearly lost to Miami (OH)
17: Was losing to Umass at halftime, barely beat a sub .500 Ark and lost to a 5-6 OM again

This isn't anything new. We had the same thing with Croom losing to Tulane, Maine, UAB, Vandy, LA Tech. Sherrill had his share as well even during his good years (seemed he struggled with Memphis every year). It's easier to zoom in on Leach's shortcomings because it's present time and a lot of people already hated him before he got here, but I remember these same discussions going on when Mullen was here. People wanted him gone almost every year.

Outside of South Alabama, Mullen was damn near perfect versus teams we were favored against. Wasn't always pretty, but he won.

[confucius say]

Outside of South Alabama, Mullen was damn near perfect versus teams we were favored against. Wasn't always pretty, but he won.

True. But I think leach already has more wins as an underdog than mullen did in 9 seasons.

[Tbonewannabe]

True. But I think leach already has more wins as an underdog than mullen did in 9 seasons.

Part of that is because he shit the bed so hard early in 2020 which caused us to be underdogs to teams that were less talented. Mullen always tightened up in big games and then loosens up in the 2nd half. He still does it at UF.