Clay Helton Fired - Kiffin Going Home?

[ShotgunDawg]

Surely they give the new & improved Kiffin a chance again right?

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1437525495017578499?s=20

[ShotgunDawg]

If I'm USC, I go after James Franklin, Mullen, & Kiffin

[SheltonChoked]

Will Helton end up as interim at LSU?

[TrapGame]

Interesting.

[bulldawg28]

They already fired Kiffen they're not going backwards.

[ShotgunDawg]

They already fired Kiffen they're not going backwards.

He's a different coach now than last time. Different administration

[Lord McBuckethead]

Surely they hire Hugh Freeze, right?

[ShotgunDawg]

Surely they hire Hugh Freeze, right?

Hugh couldn't handle that job. It would swallow him

[LC Dawg]

Hugh couldn't handle that job. It would swallow him

He should be used to that.

[ShotgunDawg]

If I'm USC, I call Mullen or James Franklin.

You can't go with flashy this time around. You need a hardcore football coach that will match Chip Kelly in physicality.

[Turfdawg67]

He's a different coach now than last time. Different administration

No he's not and this is just wishful thinking on your part. He is a great fit for OM... and vice versa.

[HancockCountyDog]

If they had fired him back on campus instead of outside the bus, I would be pretty pumped about him going back.

That said, they would be fools not to try and hire him. Not sure who else USC goes after;

[ShotgunDawg]

No he's not and this is just wishful thinking on your part. He is a great fit for OM... and vice versa.

He can't win anything at OM. He's got potentially the #1 overall QB this year & won't win anything

[ShotgunDawg]

If they had fired him back on campus instead of outside the bus, I would be pretty pumped about him going back.

That said, they would be fools not to try and hire him. Not sure who else USC goes after;

Likely correct. I think if USC hires Mullen or Franklin, you could see Kiffin backfill one of those two spots

[ShotgunDawg]

https://twitter.com/JackMacCFB/status/1437531767859257344?s=20

[ShotgunDawg]

https://twitter.com/UnnecRoughness/status/1437532673157763083?s=20

[Maverick91]

Will Helton end up as interim at LSU?

lol

[Johnson85]

If I'm USC, I go after James Franklin, Mullen, & Kiffin

I don't think USC is that type of program. Certainly they have the potential to poach Kiffin, but he's already making >$5M a year on average, which is I think is more than Helton was making. Even ignoring their history, I'm not sure Kiffin jumps ship without a raise and I'm not sure USC would open the pocket book that much.

I know Mullen has a tendency to be dissatisfied, and either Franklin or Mullen might like the idea of an easier path to the playoffs coming out of the Pac-12, but they're both making more than $6M.

That said, if USC took the step of firing somebody after a 1-1 start, maybe they have boosters ready to back up the brinks truck.

[bulldawg28]

He's a different coach now than last time. Different administration

No he's not. Ole miss exceptions mediocrity USC doesn't.

[ShotgunDawg]

Better job: USC or LSU?

[Leroy Jenkins]

Better job: USC or LSU?

USC- Easier path to the playoff.
LSU- Better access to talent. (NCAA issues notwithstanding)

A lot of it may come down to how much a person would want to live in LA vs L.A.

[ShotgunDawg]

I feel like USC will go after Fickell, but I think that's a big mistake. Fickell may be awesome, but they can't afford another miss by hiring a non P5 head coach. They need to go after someone that has won in the Big conference

[OLJWales]

He should be used to that.

LMAO. Well played a have a rep.

ETA: you musta been posting other funny stuff. Socialism prevented the Rep.

[Coach34]

If I'm USC, I call Mullen or James Franklin. .

Franklin is a NE guy and Mullen has a better job. Would be shocking if its either one of those 2

[Coach34]

USC is just as likely to go after an NFL guy

[OLJWales]

USC is just as likely to go after an NFL guy

Interesting. What did Pete Carroll leave when USCw inked him?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Leach to USC. Joe Judge to MSU.

[coachnorm]

USC- Easier path to the playoff.
LSU- Better access to talent. (NCAA issues notwithstanding)

A lot of it may come down to how much a person would want to live in LA vs L.A.

The starting quarterbacks for Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ole Miss, and Ohio State are from Los Angeles area. No one has more access to talent than USC, second is not even close. There are even more Los Angeles quarterbacks spread out in America. The two top high school football programs, in America, are in the Trinity League in Los Angeles. LSU does not have better access to talent, not close. The problem with USC is it is the University of Spoiled Children and it does not have to work for anything. Pete Carroll evolved the USC Football we now know. The university really does not care about football that much?

[coachnorm]

Interesting. What did Pete Carroll leave when USCw inked him?

Pete Carroll was always an NFL guy. Also, Pete probably knew that the University was not aggressively defending itself in the Reggie Bush saga. Pete was correct because even when the official Court transcript published the NCAA admitting it had nothing on Reggie Bush, the University cared less and did not represent the football program. How would you feel about having Pat Haden a member of the USC board of trustees announcing for NBC Notre Dame games? Seattle paid Pete a lot more money and gave Pete primary say on NFL draft day. Until USC learns to love football like Mississippi State, do not expect much from its leadership.

[PGHBulldogBG]

USC is most likely going after an NFL guy or a coach that has ties to the West Coast. I don?t see them going for Mullen or Franklin. I don?t see Mullen leaving UF unless it?s for the NFL

[parabrave]

If I'm USC, I go after James Franklin, Mullen, & Kiffin

JOMO!!!

[OLJWales]

USC- Easier path to the playoff.
LSU- Better access to talent. (NCAA issues notwithstanding)

A lot of it may come down to how much a person would want to live in LA vs L.A.

I love Cajun country but if I were rich enough to own a copter, I'd pick So-Cal. Fort Worth is as bad as I will ever tolerate driving wise.

[Leroy Jenkins]

The starting quarterbacks for Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ole Miss, and Ohio State are from Los Angeles area. No one has more access to talent than USC, second is not even close. There are even more Los Angeles quarterbacks spread out in America. The two top high school football programs, in America, are in the Trinity League in Los Angeles. LSU does not have better access to talent, not close. The problem with USC is it is the University of Spoiled Children and it does not have to work for anything. Pete Carroll evolved the USC Football we now know. The university really does not care about football that much?

Cool. But the other 21 positions.....?

[coachnorm]

If you go on youtube and watch Anaheim Mater Dei play Dallas Duncanville, you will see Mater Dei crucify one of Dallas's finest programs player per player across the board. Also if you youtube Los Angeles St John Bosco playing Miami Central, a top three Florida program, you will see Miami get crucified almost as bad. Both Florida and Texas teams defensive fronts were reduced to Pop Warner status player per player across the board by the opposition offensive lines.

[PMDawg]

What does Bert Stare have to say on the matter?**

[ZedFedder]

WE NEED BERT.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Cool. But the other 21 positions.....?

It's USC, they can pull in talent from anywhere as long as you give the recruits reason for optimism

[OLJWales]

If not Bert, I sure do miss Indian dude from India. He must be for having some extra Interwebs problems? Another cobra bite?

[DownwardDawg]

If not Bert, I sure do miss Indian dude from India. He must be for having some extra Interwebs problems? Another cobra bite?

Socialism blocked me from repping you. That dude was great.

[Liverpooldawg]

LOL, USC ain't going after Kiffin. Most of them didn't want him the first time. I have no idea who it will be but it won't be the Goat Boy.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What does Bert Stare have to say on the matter?**

Billy Napier has been house hunting in the Hollywood Hills all day and is having dinner in Malibu tonight with Marcus Allen, Matt Leinart, and Reggie Bush to sign the contract.

[Irondawg]

Seems like Fickell will at least be in the top 3. Brian Kelly doing solid at ND helps that sell.

Maybe Urban Meyer does the Saban thing.

We mid about JoMo but if Oregon starts to run the table his name will come up.

[Todd4State]

USC is just as likely to go after an NFL guy

That's what I think they do. It worked for them with Pete Carroll. I think they try to find a similar type of coach. Kiffin, Coach O, Sark, etc they're all Pete Carroll wannabes.

[Todd4State]

It's USC, they can pull in talent from anywhere as long as you give the recruits reason for optimism

With the talent there in LA they don't have to go National. If they clean out LA then they can just focus on the best of the rest in California and they'll be loaded.

Their problem is they live in the past too much.

[Todd4State]

If I'm USC Bill O'Brien makes a lot of sense to me right now barring what will be available from the NFL. He has been successful in college as a head coach, has a NFL background and being around Saban will give them the opportunity to update their program from an organizational standpoint.

[TNDawg35]

Saw on Twitter where Mullen told a reporter he would be interested if he was approached. Now it also could be Sexton floating his usual “Mullen needs a raise” type thing…

[DeltaChicagoDog]

Cool. But the other 21 positions.....?

Rep.
Could be way off, but USC is almost like a west coast Tennessee. Time has moved on, whether their fans know it or not.

[Todd4State]

Saw on Twitter where Mullen told a reporter he would be interested if he was approached. Now it also could be Sexton floating his usual “Mullen needs a raise” type thing…

Yeah. He's planning his escape to the NFL right on cue.


Rep.
Could be way off, but USC is almost like a west coast Tennessee. Time has moved on, whether their fans know it or not.

The biggest difference is the talent pool is infinitely better than Tennessee and it's not even close.

[coachnorm]

Rep.
Could be way off, but USC is almost like a west coast Tennessee. Time has moved on, whether their fans know it or not.

There is no FBS school more arrogant and condescending to its fan base than USC. Before Pete Carroll, USC would have 38,000 attending a 94,000 seat venue in very populated Los Angeles. USC as an institution did nothing for football excellence, Pete Carroll did. The arrogant assholes that oversee the campus were jealous of Pete. The fans have observed this for many decades and are well versed in the status quo in Los Angeles. When you look at a rivalry between Miss St and Ole Miss, it is sports orientated. USC is so dirty, to its fan-base and community, in its own way that it would make Ole Miss misgivings look like church mice?

[parabrave]

Seems like Fickell will at least be in the top 3. Brian Kelly doing solid at ND helps that sell.

Maybe Urban Meyer does the Saban thing.

We mid about JoMo but if Oregon starts to run the table his name will come up.

Or the Petrino thing. Say I Fuced up and am out of here.

[DeltaChicagoDog]

The biggest difference is the talent pool is infinitely better than Tennessee and it's not even close.[/QUOTE]

Point taken. Has the administration or booster network become that disorganized when it comes to recruiting, or has past glory obscured their view of what it takes to be competitive in the current college football landscape, not unlike what Coach Norm was saying?

[BrunswickDawg]

It's USC, they can pull in talent from anywhere as long as you give the recruits reason for optimism

This gives recruits optimism
https://s-yimg-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/lofUApISm25zcx7JZtYAOQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTQyNw--/https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2021-04/9fbcc1b0-a3c3-11eb-a77f-0c787814a96a

[lastmajordog]

He can't win anything at OM. He's got potentially the #1 overall QB this year & won't win anything

"We shall see said the zen master" Charlie Wilson's War

I respectfully disagree, I think they are going to give some good teams fits.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Better job: USC or LSU?

USC. Easier competition, better pedigree, and believe it or not, Southern California is better than anything in the Southeast overall.
Sure you have to deal with taxes.
Sure you have to deal with regulations.
But overall, being a millionaire in Southern California is probably pretty damn nice. The weather is definitely better.

[Lord McBuckethead]

This gives recruits optimism
https://s-yimg-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/lofUApISm25zcx7JZtYAOQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTQyNw--/https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2021-04/9fbcc1b0-a3c3-11eb-a77f-0c787814a96a

Those sweaters are just..... perfect.

[was21]

Nope...that train has left the station...or rather the plane left without Kiffin on it

[Maverick91]

Saw on Twitter where Mullen told a reporter he would be interested if he was approached. Now it also could be Sexton floating his usual “Mullen needs a raise” type thing…

He's is making his excuse for when they get folded over like a ragdoll this weekend.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

He can't win anything at OM. He's got potentially the #1 overall QB this year & won't win anything

I bet they win 9 maybe 10 this year

[Liverpooldawg]

Rep.
Could be way off, but USC is almost like a west coast Tennessee. Time has moved on, whether their fans know it or not.

No they aren't. There is more talent in LA than in the whole state of Tennessee, WAY more. They could recruit ONLY in LA county and still have a shot at a natty.

[Liverpooldawg]

There is no FBS school more arrogant and condescending to its fan base than USC. Before Pete Carroll, USC would have 38,000 attending a 94,000 seat venue in very populated Los Angeles. USC as an institution did nothing for football excellence, Pete Carroll did. The arrogant assholes that oversee the campus were jealous of Pete. The fans have observed this for many decades and are well versed in the status quo in Los Angeles. When you look at a rivalry between Miss St and Ole Miss, it is sports orientated. USC is so dirty, to its fan-base and community, in its own way that it would make Ole Miss misgivings look like church mice?

Hogwash. SC was big in football long before Pete Carroll and will be again.

[DeltaChicagoDog]

No they aren't. There is more talent in LA than in the whole state of Tennessee, WAY more. They could recruit ONLY in LA county and still have a shot at a natty.

The biggest difference is the talent pool is infinitely better than Tennessee and it's not even close.[/QUOTE]

I'll ask again: Point taken. Has the administration or booster network become that disorganized when it comes to recruiting, or has past glory obscured their view of what it takes to be competitive in the current college football landscape, not unlike what Coach Norm was saying?

Genuine question: what's the problem at USC?

[Johnson85]

USC. Easier competition, better pedigree, and believe it or not, Southern California is better than anything in the Southeast overall.
Sure you have to deal with taxes.
Sure you have to deal with regulations.
But overall, being a millionaire in Southern California is probably pretty damn nice. The weather is definitely better.

Most of these coaches want to win a championship, and for that, LSU is still a better job. For a normal person (which probably means "not suited to be a great college football coach"), USC should be a better job.

[SheltonChoked]

As a Texans fan, As long as you keep Bill away from player trade decisions, he's a good coach. (the Hopkins "trade" is the worst deal in Pro sports history)

[Liverpooldawg]

The biggest difference is the talent pool is infinitely better than Tennessee and it's not even close.

I'll ask again: Point taken. Has the administration or booster network become that disorganized when it comes to recruiting, or has past glory obscured their view of what it takes to be competitive in the current college football landscape, not unlike what Coach Norm was saying?

Genuine question: what's the problem at USC?[/QUOTE]

They got absolutely hammered by the NCAA. That was probably the last time the NCAA will ever be able to hand out something like that. They were down to something like 40 scholarship players at one time. It takes time, even for them, to recover from that. They have been playing safe since and Helton was part of that. This firing basically says they are getting serious again.

[ShotgunDawg]

Too risky here..... James Franklin, Mullen, Wittingham, Peterson.

keep it simple USC.... FWIW I'm cheering for USC here because Alabama dominating recruiting in California isn't good.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1437877442333614086?s=20

[coachnorm]

The biggest difference is the talent pool is infinitely better than Tennessee and it's not even close.

I'll ask again: Point taken. Has the administration or booster network become that disorganized when it comes to recruiting, or has past glory obscured their view of what it takes to be competitive in the current college football landscape, not unlike what Coach Norm was saying?

Genuine question: what's the problem at USC?[/QUOTE]

USC has too many distractions that makes it a boatload of money. It is focused on its medical facilities that are profitable. Hollywood gives it profits. Engineering research and development gives it profits. Overseas investments give USC profits. Real Estate acquisitions in South Central LA make huge profits for the university. Athletic are not seen as a profit maker worthy of great effort. USC will rake in money if the World Cup or Olympics come to LA because of basic ownership of the Coliseum. To put it in a USC perspective, football is low on its priorities, too much money making elsewhere. The coaching change happened because a huge money holder affiliated with the university issued a directive and USC complied.

[Dawgfan77]

Too risky here..... James Franklin, Mullen, Wittingham, Peterson.

keep it simple USC.... FWIW I'm cheering for USC here because Alabama dominating recruiting in California isn't good.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1437877442333614086?s=20

A few things. One I remember how bad of an OC he was at Colorado. Two. Mahomes ain't walking through that door. Three WCO tree is his background tough sell there . Four I go back to those Colorado days maybe why no NFL job has taken him. Just a thought here

[Irondawg]

I?m trying to think through how many NFL OC types that have MVP caliber QBs have ended up working out well lately. Most of the ones I can think of were humbled pretty quickly.

Probably even fewer where the HC is also the OC. Might have to look more closely at that soon.

[ShotgunDawg]

I?m trying to think through how many NFL OC types that have MVP caliber QBs have ended up working out well lately. Most of the ones I can think of were humbled pretty quickly.

Probably even fewer where the HC is also the OC. Might have to look more closely at that soon.

I mean... look at this great play call. Surely USC has guys that can make this play*

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1437188460771627013?s=20

[ShotgunDawg]

Looks USC plans on going woke with this process. Just hire Franklin

https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/1437937889799716867?s=20

[BB30]

USC. Easier competition, better pedigree, and believe it or not, Southern California is better than anything in the Southeast overall.
Sure you have to deal with taxes.
Sure you have to deal with regulations.
But overall, being a millionaire in Southern California is probably pretty damn nice. The weather is definitely better.

Nothing like having to walk through piles of Sh** or past skid row when you want to take the family for a nice downtown stroll or better yet sitting in traffic for 17 hours to get 12 miles down the road for a nice dinner out.***

Guess it depends on what you enjoy, give me an outdoor setting with actual trees, pastures, ag fields, lakes, rivers and small town people any day over a city built on a desert filled with 100K plus homeless people living in tent towns in a city that allows people to steal from stores as long as the dollar amount is under a certain number.

[Irondawg]

Leftwich is interesting and you?d have to dig deep on that one. Arians is really high on him and gives him a ton of praise. But Arians is another offensive coach so you have to figure out if it?s him or Leftwich really doing the OC work. He also has Tom Brady.

I?m betting Carson Palmer can help them out there since Leftwich I believe was his qb coach a year or 2 with Arizona.

[Jack Lambert]

They already fired Kiffen they're not going backwards.

Never know these days.

[ShotgunDawg]

Leftwich is interesting and you?d have to dig deep on that one. Arians is really high on him and gives him a ton of praise. But Arians is another offensive coach so you have to figure out if it?s him or Leftwich really doing the OC work. He also has Tom Brady.

I?m betting Carson Palmer can help them out there since Leftwich I believe was his qb coach a year or 2 with Arizona.

Would be horrendous if they hired some one without head coaching experience

[Bothrops]

Probably still a top 10 job

[coachnorm]

Nothing like having to walk through piles of Sh** or past skid row when you want to take the family for a nice downtown stroll or better yet sitting in traffic for 17 hours to get 12 miles down the road for a nice dinner out.***

Guess it depends on what you enjoy, give me an outdoor setting with actual trees, pastures, ag fields, lakes, rivers and small town people any day over a city built on a desert filled with 100K plus homeless people living in tent towns in a city that allows people to steal from stores as long as the dollar amount is under a certain number.

https://dailytrojan.com/2019/04/16/local-tenants-organize-protest-usc-expansion/

There are no piles of Sh** in the immediate area of USC. The article shows the gentrification of that area. Simply, affiliates take a freeway to campus and away from campus. Those on campus will have first class accommodations. The last thing students want is an outdoor setting, ag fields, trees, pastures etc? The less fortunate in LA are not in the immediate USC area. The beach is what is happening not downtown.

[preachermatt83]

Watch for Joe Brady’s name getting mentioned

[Hot Rock]

Probably still a top 10 job

They are going to have to start acting like a top ten job if they want a top coach. They have not been paying any better than most Top 30 programs and that's in Southern California where 2 BR house can cost a million bucks with HOA's and high tax rates.

They would have to pay 8-10 million a year to be comparable to 6-7 million in lots of places just to justify the cost of living out there. They pay less than most SEC schools. You can buy a million dollar home in most college towns and get a nice place with a view. Out there, it gets you an apartment that comes with $1,000 a month HOA with a street view.

So, no they are not a top ten program until they start acting like one but they could be. They are the premier west coast program with lots of talent surrounding them. I think someone said that every school in contention for a national title this year has a QB from California. That's nuts.

[coachnorm]

They are going to have to start acting like a top ten job if they want a top coach. They have not been paying any better than most Top 30 programs and that's in Southern California where 2 BR house can cost a million bucks with HOA's and high tax rates.

They would have to pay 8-10 million a year to be comparable to 6-7 million in lots of places just to justify the cost of living out there. They pay less than most SEC schools. You can buy a million dollar home in most college towns and get a nice place with a view. Out there, it gets you an apartment that comes with $1,000 a month HOA with a street view.

So, no they are not a top ten program until they start acting like one but they could be. They are the premier west coast program with lots of talent surrounding them. I think someone said that every school in contention for a national title this year has a QB from California. That's nuts.

You are sooooo right in your statement. The quarterbacks you stated are not just in California, they lived within a 30 mile radius of the University? Ouch!

[bulldawg28]

Watch for Joe Brady’s name getting mentioned

He would be an outstanding hire. I just don't think he passes the splash test. I would also worry about recruiting under him.