OM looks pretty good tonight

[RocketDawg]

So far. Don't know how good Louisville is.

[Bothrops]

I wish we ran routes like that, we'd look great too.

[RocketDawg]

Kicker missed the point after.

[msstate7]

I wish we ran routes like that, we'd look great too.

And a super talented qb

[BeardoMSU]

I wish we ran routes like that, we'd look great too.

Those slants were untouched.

[Saltydog]

They?ll end up second or third in the West.

[EdwardDrayton]

So that?s what an Air Raid looks like. Good to know.

[msstate7]

Kicker missed the point after.

Might be a big deal if OM defense is still trask

[BeardoMSU]

And a super talented qb

Who needs that when you've got a gimmicky offense, lol.

[RocketDawg]

Might be a big deal if OM defense is still trask

Yep, was thinking the same.

[Mjoelner34]

I wish we ran routes like that, we'd look great too.

We had at least 1 person that open every play Saturday.

[Bothrops]

And a super talented qb

I could damn near hit 'em after a warm up.

[CaptainObvious]

Well. UL is dropping 7 in a zone and leaving lots of holes for WR and RB. If you can convince our opponents to leave 10-15 yards of space in the zone we could complete those passes too.

Plus. corral may have a clean jersey the entire game with this UL defense. Apparently UL coach never watched a minute of film on UM.

[TNDawg35]

Well hell, a 6 yr old could make those throws when there isn’t a DB within 10 yards of the WR… Some of y’all are scared to death of Ole Miss no matter what sport it is…

[LC Dawg]

We knew their offense was going to be good. If their defense looks good they could be top 10.

[Dawgology]

It?s interesting watching Ole Miss run Leach?s offense better than State does. That?s what happens when you commit to recruit.

[msstate7]

I could damn near hit 'em after a warm up.

Not basing it on anything tonight. The kid is a total douche, but he's a super talented douche

ETA... and he has a HC that can flat out coach offense

[lastmajordog]

om is going to score a lot of points against a lot of SEC teams....

[BeardoMSU]

I wish we ran the QB still. OM can't defend it, lol.

[msstate7]

I wish we ran the QB still. OM can't defend it, lol.

They can't defend a lot

[ShotgunDawg]

Having an arm talent like Corral puts a ton of pressure on the safeties to say deep. Opens up everything

[Bothrops]

Sawyer Robertson, how far away is he?

[Homedawg]

It?s interesting watching Ole Miss run Leach?s offense better than State does. That?s what happens when you commit to recruit.

They don't run leach's offense. Not really even close.

[Homedawg]

Sawyer Robertson, how far away is he?

He's behind Greek. So a mile.

[ShotgunDawg]

Great job louisville

[msstatelp1]

Nice 3 and out

[RocketDawg]

Louisville adjusted a little. Thought they were going to score on the previous series though.

[msstate7]

He's behind Greek. So a mile.

This is so gross. I'm hoping this is strictly a learning offense/adjusting to college speed. Really hope the arm talent is there

[TNDawg35]

He's behind Greek. So a mile.

I keep hearing he is behind Greek. Maybe we will get a look if we blow someone out or something…

[maroonmania]

Well. UL is dropping 7 in a zone and leaving lots of holes for WR and RB. If you can convince our opponents to leave 10-15 yards of space in the zone we could complete those passes too.

Plus. corral may have a clean jersey the entire game with this UL defense. Apparently UL coach never watched a minute of film on UM.

Until we can demonstrate that we can complete a pass every now and again 25+ yards down the field folks are going to jam those 7 or 8 defenders all within that space 15 yards from the LOS. I don't know if Will can even throw a pass that far but nobody is respecting that we can complete or will even try a downfield pass. That is one major difference so far I am seeing with our offense and what was going on at TT and WSU. They didn't thrown down the field a lot but had QBs and WRs that could execute to get the ball downfield if you were cheating too much on the short stuff. Right now we aren't even trying to attempt a ball down the field just to show a team we are willing to do it to keep them honest. I mean it makes it pretty easy when you have 7 or 8 defenders in zone pass coverage and all you have to defend is the area 15 to 20 yards past the LOS.

[drummerdawg]

Yall love some OM. 2nd drive looked like shit. Idk why people come on here after one possession/quarter/inning and think that's what the whole season is going to look like. F*** OM, they're trash.

They'll be ok on offense this year but they won't score like they did last year. Also, their defense may be improved some, but they'll still be near the bottom of the conference.

[Bothrops]

Well hell, a 6 yr old could make those throws when there isn?t a DB within 10 yards of the WR? Some of y?all are scared to death of Ole Miss no matter what sport it is?

Not at all. I'm just wondering how a football team can be fixed after going into a coma for two whole quarters then suddenly reappearing, after it's too late.

[msstate7]

Yall love some OM. 2nd drive looked like shit. Idk why people come on here after one possession/quarter/inning and think that's what the whole season is going to look like. F*** OM, they're trash.

They'll be ok on offense this year but they won't score like they did last year. Also, their defense may be improved some, but they'll still be near the bottom of the conference.

And this will happen bc you hate OM and want it to happen, I guess.

Like it or not, their offense is gonna be sick. Hopefully their defense still sucks

[ShotgunDawg]

Louisville stinks.

[BeardoMSU]

I like their tempo.

[Homedawg]

And this will happen bc you hate OM and want it to happen, I guess.

Like it or not, their offense is gonna be sick. Hopefully their defense still sucks

All of this.

[BeardoMSU]

Quick slants. Wide open.

[BeardoMSU]

And this will happen bc you hate OM and want it to happen, I guess.

Like it or not, their offense is gonna be sick. Hopefully their defense still sucks

Yep.

[QuadrupleOption]

I don't know if Will can even throw a pass that far but nobody is respecting that we can complete or will even try a downfield pass.

Will's throw to Calvin in the 4th quarter was on-the-money and travelled 33 yards through the air.
His last TD throw went right at 25 yards and was again right on the money.

He's got that much arm at least.

[msstate7]

Until we can demonstrate that we can complete a pass every now and again 25+ yards down the field folks are going to jam those 7 or 8 defenders all within that space 15 yards from the LOS. I don't know if Will can even throw a pass that far but nobody is respecting that we can complete or will even try a downfield pass. That is one major difference so far I am seeing with our offense and what was going on at TT and WSU. They didn't thrown down the field a lot but had QBs and WRs that could execute to get the ball downfield if you were cheating too much on the short stuff. Right now we aren't even trying to attempt a ball down the field just to show a team we are willing to do it to keep them honest. I mean it makes it pretty easy when you have 7 or 8 defenders in zone pass coverage and all you have to defend is the area 15 to 20 yards past the LOS.

A strong arm even helps underneath too. You can throw a laser into a spot sometimes when you can't throw a rainbow

[Dawgology]

I don?t think I?ve ever seen the middle of the field so open in my life. They just aren?t covering it

[DownwardDawg]

I wish we ran the QB still. OM can't defend it, lol.

I don't think they'll ever be able to. It's strange.

[KOdawg1]

I wish we had what they have on offense. Not ashamed to admit it.

[RocketDawg]

Yeah, looks like targeting.

[BeardoMSU]

Louisville gets a gift. But my God, they are terrible.

[ShotgunDawg]

Louisville gets a gift. But my God, they are terrible.

I'd be really interested to see them play La Tech

[KOdawg1]

Gosh Louisville sucks

[TrapGame]

Louisville gets a gift. But my God, they are terrible.

Yeah. I want to be as fair as possible in sizing up OM but, damn, Louisville is just awful.

[Bothrops]

I wish we had what they have on offense. Not ashamed to admit it.

I'd take our personnel if we were more up tempo and did away with the lateral throws.

[ShotgunDawg]

Do we have better WRs than OM?

They clearly are better at QB & have an scheme that makes it easier for the OL to block. Ealy is a little better than Marks, but I don't think it's dramatic

[Dawgology]

Yeah. I want to be as fair as possible in sizing up OM but, damn, Louisville is just awful.

Yeah. This offense is abysmal. All they have is handoff to the RB or QB around the end. Their QB doesn?t seem to be able to pass on target at all

[OLJWales]

Good Virgil Cole flick on INSP; bettern listening to ESPN fellate the confeds

[CaptainObvious]

A 50 minute first quarter! My gosh! There were 6 minutes left when Louisville got their 2nd possession. 3 possessions each later to end the 1st quarter. Awful!

[KOdawg1]

4th and 1 and you don't go for it?

[LC Dawg]

Is Louisville trying?

[ShotgunDawg]

4th and 1 and you don't go for it?

I don't think they believe they can get it. Their offense sucks

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Louisville runs a Mississippi 1A High School offense

[BeardoMSU]

I don't think they believe they can get it. Their offense sucks

They bad.

[BayouDawg]

I cant get a gauge on how much the ole miss defense has improved due to Louisville being completely inept offensively

[Dawgology]

Watching this makes me wish we had a dependable OL. It?s sad

[msstate7]

I cant get a gauge on how much the ole miss defense has improved due to Louisville being completely inept offensively

How much they lose from last year? They avg'd around 440 yds/game last year

[RocketDawg]

Looks like double targeting for Louisville. Along with hitting the QB after he slid.

[KOdawg1]

Here's my early impressions.

-Louisville sucks
-OM may be better defensively, but because UL sucks, it's hard to tell
-Their WRs aren't as dynamic
-However, their offense is still really good and it makes me sick

[Bothrops]

Do we have better WRs than OM?

Ealy is a little better than Marks, but I don't think it's dramatic

Ealy has great top end but Marks is better in traffic

[ShotgunDawg]

Here's my early impressions.

-Louisville sucks
-OM may be better defensively, but because UL sucks, it's hard to tell
-Their WRs aren't as dynamic
-However, their offense is still really good and it makes me sick

Ole Miss plays much fast on offense than us & I'm not just talking about tempo. Their plays are faster

[Dawgology]

Did Fagot hit Corrals head?

[ShotgunDawg]

Ealy has great top end but Marks is better in traffic

Marks' new strength probably gives him more power

[RocketDawg]

OM will almost certainly be in the top 25 this week. Maybe even the top 15, regardess of how bad Louisville is.

[TrapGame]

Louisville is horrible. This isn't a test of how good OM really is.

[RocketDawg]

Marks' new strength probably gives him more power

Marks is really good. Maybe the team learned their lesson this past weekend.

[was21]

Right...got some green gill posters on here....OM has it going...like it or not

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Watching this makes me wish we had a dependable OL. It?s sad
Corral gets rid of the ball a lot quicker than Rogers.

[Percho]

bs

[RocketDawg]

Good thing they have about a hundred players each. Targeting is depleting them both.

[ShotgunDawg]

Corral gets rid of the ball a lot quicker than Rogers.

Their offense has much fewer reads in it. It's by design that he gets rid of it so quickly

[R2Dawg]

All I know is I am glad we play egg bowl at end of year. If we played now, OM probably beat us by 5 TDs.

[Bothrops]

How did Louisville beat Florida St last year? They nearly beat ND as well. They must have had a resection of the roster.

[chef dixon]

They look good. That's about all I have to say about it right now.

[preachermatt83]

Some of you people are just literally clueless. Leach and lanes offenses are not similar. We do not run an rpo offense. OM does. Lanes offense is almost exactly like slowmo?s. We get it, you hate leach? but geez, don?t just say things that make no sense.

[Dawgology]

Some of you people are just literally clueless. Leach and lanes offenses are not similar. We do not run an rpo offense. OM does. Lanes offense is almost exactly like slowmo?s. We get it, you hate leach? but geez, don?t just say things that make no sense.

I think it?s more disappointment in how poorly state played versus the consistency in Ole Miss offense as well as the way announcers just continually slobber over them regardless.

Also, Ole Miss? defense looks fine. Better than ours so there?s that fun.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Some of you people are just literally clueless. Leach and lanes offenses are not similar. We do not run an rpo offense. OM does. Lanes offense is almost exactly like slowmo?s. We get it, you hate leach? but geez, don?t just say things that make no sense.
If Leach goes 0-2 against Lane this year he will never catch up.

[preachermatt83]

They don't run leach's offense. Not really even close.

+1. It?s embarrassing how uneducated our fan base can be at times.

[Tripp McNeely]

LA Tech would beat the crap out of this Louisville team!

[Bothrops]

Louisville would lose to LA Tech by at least 10.

[Bothrops]

If Leach goes 0-2 against Lane this year he will never catch up.

This is true

[chef dixon]

You have to have an elite defense to stop their offense completely. Otherwise you have to out score them. It's clear their defense is at least improved

[preachermatt83]

This is so gross. I'm hoping this is strictly a learning offense/adjusting to college speed. Really hope the arm talent is there

I really think it is. He will eventually be a star in leaches offense

[BuckyIsAB****]

It?s interesting watching Ole Miss run Leach?s offense better than State does. That?s what happens when you commit to recruit.

Jesus Christ. Just quit. This is wrong on so many levels

[BuckyIsAB****]

Sawyer Robertson, how far away is he?

Behind Will as long as he is here

[preachermatt83]

Jesus Christ. Just quit. This is wrong on so many levels

Yup!!

[Dawgology]

Jesus Christ. Just quit. This is wrong on so many levels

It was a joke for ****s sake. Some of you all are so sensitive. But they are airing it out a little better than us. We just can?t seem to find that spacing.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I wish we ran routes like that, we'd look great too.

Why don?t we? I mean, why are all our routes basically standing still? These guys are running against a zone and are running flat out into space. The qb is using the read option action to influence the underneath defenders. Pull it and sling it to a guy blazing across the field. Try to jump that route and the RB is in a vertical route right behind it.

We are more interested in tunnel screens.

[Bothrops]

This game kinda reminds me of the 2008 Egg Bowl

[Lord McBuckethead]

It was a joke for ****s sake. Some of you all are so sensitive. But they are airing it out a little better than us. We just can?t seem to find that spacing.

We have found that type of spacing one time in 6 years.

[BeardoMSU]

OM may shut out this trash team, lol.

[CaptainObvious]

More embarrassed that ESPN thought this would be a good ?Classic? game.

A question. Didn?t Cunningham start against us in the Music City Bowl and complete like 40% of his passes? I was there and I know they had one guy open by 35 yards for a TD and another open by 15 yards for a TD and they threw a Halfback pass to a guy 20 yards behind our defenders for another TD. Mo?head?s 2019 team was pretty bad.

[chef dixon]

How about that baseball season tho?

[BeardoMSU]

How about that baseball season tho?

At least for this football season, is there a way to turn our baseball championship into a warm and comforting blanket? Or maybe a pillow to scream into?**

[Bothrops]

To continue with this game is flat out unnecessary.

[parabrave]

DAm you Louisville. You better get your O together because I took the over.

[msstate7]

More embarrassed that ESPN thought this would be a good ?Classic? game.

A question. Didn?t Cunningham start against us in the Music City Bowl and complete like 40% of his passes? I was there and I know they had one guy open by 35 yards for a TD and another open by 15 yards for a TD and they threw a Halfback pass to a guy 20 yards behind our defenders for another TD. Mo?head?s 2019 team was pretty bad.

Cunningham 2020 stats...
64.1% comp 2617 yds (8.6 per att) 20 Td 12 int 150.29 passer rating

609 yds rushing 7 td

[BeardoMSU]

To continue with this game is flat out unnecessary.

Corral needs his Heisman stats.**

[CaptainObvious]

Louisville will not win 3 games.

[TrapGame]

Louisville will not win 3 games.

NC State will prison rape them. Florida State too.

[chef dixon]

I admit I wanted satterfield in 2018

[BeardoMSU]

NC State will prison rape them.

Not if their stomach's are full of us, lol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyzl8VovQY&ab_channel=linksbardish

[BrunswickDawg]

OM may shut out this trash team, lol.

IIRCC there were a number of posters on here who wanted us to hire Satterfield. Louisville looks horrible.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I admit I wanted satterfield in 2018

Yes I?m beginning to think Drinkwitz played a much larger role in Satterfields success. App State had their best team the year Drinkwitz was head coach. I think Missouri ended up better off in this situation, but we will see how Missouri looks over the next couple years

[BeardoMSU]

Really nice run from the Louisville QB there.

[BeardoMSU]

Louisville should just go full run option here. They literally cannot throw the ball.

[BeardoMSU]

Haha, my god Louisville. Yikes.

[msstate7]

OM lucky there

[msstate7]

We can't make that throw

[BeardoMSU]

We can't make that throw

Or the catch, for that matter.

[TrapGame]

OM is not a shit team. Unfortunately, Louisville is a shit team.

[maroonmania]

My word, how do you not review that? That was not a catch by OM there on the sideline. He had stepped out of bounds well before he gained control of the ball.

[msstate7]

Our defense better be much better come the egg bowl

[Bothrops]

2020 Louisville

UL 48 Florida St 16
UL 30 Syracuse 0
UL 7 Notre Dame 12

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

This must be the time of year where elitedawgs posters are convinced Ole Miss is going to win the natty.

[BrunswickDawg]

2020 Louisville

UL 48 Florida St 16
UL 30 Syracuse 0
UL 7 Notre Dame 12

And yet they still went 4-7

[Quaoarsking]

2020 Louisville

UL 48 Florida St 16
UL 30 Syracuse 0
UL 7 Notre Dame 12

I don't even know what point you're trying to make. Louisville was 4-7 last year. 2 of those 4 wins were over 3-6 Florida State and 1-10 Syracuse, neither of which is surprising. Playing Notre Dame tough is impressive, but the rest of their season was shit.

[Commercecomet24]

This must be the time of year where elitedawgs posters are convinced Ole Miss is going to win the natty.

Same story different year.

[msstate7]

This must be the time of year where elitedawgs posters are convinced Ole Miss is going to win the natty.

Natty, nah. They look like they can win 9 though if this defense really is this improved. I give losses to bama, aTm, and auburn (road)

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Just need the shotgundawg topic tomorrow to complete it.

[msstate7]

I know no one likes to admit OM is good at anything, but remember their offense torched Bama last year. They just couldn't stop anyone. If they can hold teams down some, they're gonna be really tough

[TrapGame]

Natty, nah. They look like they can win 9 though if this defense really is this improved. I give losses to bama, aTm, and auburn (road)

Jesus.

One game for us and we ain't gonna win more than 4 or 5.

Not even finished with one game for OM and they're a 9 win team.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Ole Miss, TAMU, UGA and UF all look good. I don?t know yet about Auburn, LSU, Kentucky or Tennessee but Bama is still Bama and I don?t see any of those teams beating them based on what I am hearing about Bama on Saturday.

[Jack Lambert]

Natty, nah. They look like they can win 9 though if this defense really is this improved. I give losses to bama, aTm, and auburn (road)

I think UL offensive line, UL lack of talent at WR's is making them look good. They do run around, play hard but look really undisciplined doing it. They will get burn when they face good skill players.

[msstate7]

Jesus.

One game for us and we ain't gonna win more than 4 or 5.

Not even finished with one game for OM and they're a 9 win team.

I conditioned it on the defense. That's still a big "if" imo

[TrapGame]

I conditioned it on the defense. That's still a big "if" imo

I want to see how OM handles Tulane on 9/18. Off one game Tulane looks a whole lot better than Louisville.

[BeardoMSU]

This must be the time of year where elitedawgs posters are convinced Ole Miss is going to win the natty.

I mean, they are currently showing Eli highlights!!!**

https://media2.giphy.com/media/kd9BlRovbPOykLBMqX/giphy.gif

[Commercecomet24]

Louisville was having success running the stretch and speed option because om lbs aren't fast enough to get out there but they keep trying to throw the ball. Not very smart.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Louisville isn?t LaTech.

[Bothrops]

And yet they still went 4-7

Makes no sense

[BeardoMSU]

I conditioned it on the defense. That's still a big "if" imo

They will probably still get exposed plenty, but they are clearly more disciplined and flying around compared to recent history. They are obviously better coached. Louisville sucks a mean dick though, and literally can't pass the ball.

[Quaoarsking]

Makes no sense

Why doesn't it? You realize that Florida State and Syracuse were awful last year, don't you?

[BeardoMSU]

Louisville was having success running the stretch and speed option because om lbs aren't fast enough to get out there but they keep trying to throw the ball. Not very smart.

So you're saying WE'RE ****ed, lol?

[Bothrops]

I don't even know what point you're trying to make. Louisville was 4-7 last year. 2 of those 4 wins were over 3-6 Florida State and 1-10 Syracuse, neither of which is surprising. Playing Notre Dame tough is impressive, but the rest of their season was shit.

Yeah but why are they worse at every position on the field than La Tech?

[Quaoarsking]

Louisville isn?t LaTech.

We won't know for a few weeks at least, but there may not be much difference. Louisiana Tech has been one of the better CUSA teams for a decade, and Louisville is looking like potentially one of the worst ACC teams. But again, way too small sample to really know.

[Dawgfan77]

Makes no sense

Yep La Tech was better on the OL and faster.

[Quaoarsking]

Yeah but why are they worse at every position on the field than La Tech?

Who knows? Time will tell.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Jesus.

One game for us and we ain't gonna win more than 4 or 5.

Not even finished with one game for OM and they're a 9 win team.

They pass the eye test. They are maybe 3 weeks ahead of our offense at this point. Just by basic gameplay. They are executing. We also didn?t play the 85 bears Saturday.

[Commercecomet24]

So you're saying WE'RE ****ed, lol?

Naw the flat passes and bubbles should work pretty good against slow lbs provided we block 😂

[BeardoMSU]

provided we block

https://i.gifer.com/6b2O.gif

[Lord McBuckethead]

Look guys, I am just salty.
Ending last season we said, why can?t we block 3 and why can we not move the ball on drop 8. Seems like we still can?t.

[TrapGame]

They pass the eye test. They are maybe 3 weeks ahead of our offense at this point. Just by basic gameplay. They are executing. We also didn?t play the 85 bears Saturday.

You need to close one eye cause Louisville sucks. And we played a G5 team that loaded up on 19 transfers, a lot with P5 playing time and a good QB. The film on La Tech from last year was useless. Even Leach said Tech's defense was dropping into coverage they didn't see on film.

[PGHBulldogBG]

La Tech will probably end 9-3 and UL 4-8 based on the schedules I?m looking at. How that translate to CUSA vs ACC I don?t know but regardless neither team is a top 50 team

[Percho]

Look guys, I am just salty.
Ending last season we said, why can?t we block 3 and why can we not move the ball on drop 8. Seems like we still can?t.

We scored 35 points in two quarters. Let's work on the other two.

[msstate7]

I wish we played a fun offense like this

[BeardoMSU]

I wish we played a fun offense like this

A coach refusing to adapt even the slightest to his personnel should've been a red flag for us all.

[BayouDawg]

While ole miss defense may be improved I think their offense may have taken a step back. Still will be solid but I am thinking it will be herky jerky.

[Dawgology]

I wish we played a fun offense like this

Same. Sadly we never will because Ole Miss grabs the majority of the skill positions in the state. Now they are grabbing defense talent that used to go to us. It?s a shame.

[Homedawg]

Yep La Tech was better on the OL and faster.

Based on??

[msstate7]

OM's defense may be showing a major weakness, depth. Now granted, I don't know if this is depth or they're in coast mode

[BayouDawg]

Based on??

I dont know if tech is faster than Louisville but I would definitely take the tech qb over the Louisville one

[Todd4State]

Yeah but why are they worse at every position on the field than La Tech?

Maybe we should be thankful we didn't hire Satterfield after all.

[Dawgfan77]

Based on??

You must not be watching the same game I am. UL is very slow and average. Tech had some skill position players and are much faster and more athletic than this UL team.

[TNDawg35]

A coach refusing to adapt even the slightest to his personnel should've been a red flag for us all.

What personnel did we have that was worth a shit last year? Kylin quit on us, all we had was some freshman receivers and 2 freshman backs. We didn't hardly have shit. Why not go ahead and get your system in place?

The only and I mean ONLY problem I have with us is I wish we could have kept Schrader with these receivers we have now. But I totally agree with Leach and what he has done. He wants to win and is gonna win his way. Why would we not. I mean we already have the best receiver core we have had and maybe EVER had. He has his QBs, but they are just young. They need time.

All these people saying we cant win unless we play smash mouth football or have a mobile QB here at State, when they hell has either of those things worked for us? When have we ever won anything worth a shit running the football.

How did Ole Miss beat Bama when they did? They threw the football. When they were throwing it all over the yard, people on here were complaining cause Mullen wouldn't/couldn't throw it and was running it. Now that we are throwing every down, people wanna complain about that.

Look, we arent gonna win shit and have never won shit lining up and trying to run smash mouth football against Bama or whoever. Were gonna to think outside the box. Now i agree, I wish our QB would run the ball like Minshew did when Leach had him. That would open up a whole new world. I dont know if that is Leach or if that is Rogers being scared.

I do know Rogers had people open down the field damn near every play and either wouldnt pull the trigger and checked down, or got sacked. Alot of his problems is him. When he gets rid of the ball, shit clicks. I think he holds the ball way too long sometimes and misses some opportunity's.

Some of yall need to buckle up. Leach is gonna do it his way no matter what. Yall wanted a coach to actually want to be here and not be looking to get out after every off season and we have it. Let the man do it his way.

Oh and to something else I read earlier today. Cant remember where I saw it on here, but the fella said something to the effect that Leach was gonna have to get over having a few "bad apples" and suck it up. I say bullshit to that. If they wanna be preMadonnas and act like little shits, GTFO. Take your ass to Ole Miss and play. Leach wants guys that will work and bust their ass for him and for the University. Why would we not want that? That may have been the stupidest shit I have ever read on here.

[Todd4State]

Same. Sadly we never will because Ole Miss grabs the majority of the skill positions in the state. Now they are grabbing defense talent that used to go to us. It?s a shame.

Like who? Xavian Harris? Who they are going to convert to an offensive lineman but he just doesn't know it yet? Or Jacarius Clayton who has the same story?

[TNDawg35]

Maybe we should be thankful we didn't hire Satterfield after all.

I honestly dont think Satterfield gives one shit about being there anymore. I remember him and the AD having a problem and him saying he would go pretty much anywhere else.

[Todd4State]

What personnel did we have that was worth a shit last year? Kylin quit on us, all we had was some freshman receivers and 2 freshman backs. We didn't hardly have shit. Why not go ahead and get your system in place?

The only and I mean ONLY problem I have with us is I wish we could have kept Schrader with these receivers we have now. But I totally agree with Leach and what he has done. He wants to win and is gonna win his way. Why would we not. I mean we already have the best receiver core we have had and maybe EVER had. He has his QBs, but they are just young. They need time.

All these people saying we cant win unless we play smash mouth football or have a mobile QB here at State, when they hell has either of those things worked for us? When have we ever won anything worth a shit running the football.

How did Ole Miss beat Bama when they did? They threw the football. When they were throwing it all over the yard, people on here were complaining cause Mullen wouldn't/couldn't throw it and was running it. Now that we are throwing every down, people wanna complain about that.

Look, we arent gonna win shit and have never won shit lining up and trying to run smash mouth football against Bama or whoever. Were gonna to think outside the box. Now i agree, I wish our QB would run the ball like Minshew did when Leach had him. That would open up a whole new world. I dont know if that is Leach or if that is Rogers being scared.

I do know Rogers had people open down the field damn near every play and either wouldnt pull the trigger and checked down, or got sacked. Alot of his problems is him. When he gets rid of the ball, shit clicks. I think he holds the ball way too long sometimes and misses some opportunity's.

Some of yall need to buckle up. Leach is gonna do it his way no matter what. Yall wanted a coach to actually want to be here and not be looking to get out after every off season and we have it. Let the man do it his way.

Oh and to something else I read earlier today. Cant remember where I saw it on here, but the fella said something to the effect that Leach was gonna have to get over having a few "bad apples" and suck it up. I say bullshit to that. If they wanna be preMadonnas and act like little shits, GTFO. Take your ass to Ole Miss and play. Leach wants guys that will work and bust their ass for him and for the University. Why would we not want that? That may have been the stupidest shit I have ever read on here.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets this. Of course you're about to get talked down to by the but....but....he should adapt to his personnel people.


Anyway MSU fans want to do the opposite of whatever we are doing at that time. And then when we make a chance they expect it to work immediately when we try to go in the complete opposite direction with players that were recruited to do the complete opposite of whatever it is the new coach wants to do.

I think we're actually pretty close given the fact that our offense has a ton of sophomores at key skill spots with some transfers to patch things up to try to make us competitive. I would definitely be a lot more worried had the fourth quarter looked like the second and third.

[Dawgfan77]

Looks like that vaulted OM defense y'all were foaming at the mouth is well... just.... average

[Todd4State]

I honestly dont think Satterfield gives one shit about being there anymore. I remember him and the AD having a problem and him saying he would go pretty much anywhere else.

Oh. Didn't realize that. Explains a lot.

If I was Louisville's AD I would have just fired him after comments like that. I know McDonnell has had problems with their AD too.

[Catfish]

What personnel did we have that was worth a shit last year? Kylin quit on us, all we had was some freshman receivers and 2 freshman backs. We didn't hardly have shit. Why not go ahead and get your system in place?

The only and I mean ONLY problem I have with us is I wish we could have kept Schrader with these receivers we have now. But I totally agree with Leach and what he has done. He wants to win and is gonna win his way. Why would we not. I mean we already have the best receiver core we have had and maybe EVER had. He has his QBs, but they are just young. They need time.

All these people saying we cant win unless we play smash mouth football or have a mobile QB here at State, when they hell has either of those things worked for us? When have we ever won anything worth a shit running the football.

How did Ole Miss beat Bama when they did? They threw the football. When they were throwing it all over the yard, people on here were complaining cause Mullen wouldn't/couldn't throw it and was running it. Now that we are throwing every down, people wanna complain about that.

Look, we arent gonna win shit and have never won shit lining up and trying to run smash mouth football against Bama or whoever. Were gonna to think outside the box. Now i agree, I wish our QB would run the ball like Minshew did when Leach had him. That would open up a whole new world. I dont know if that is Leach or if that is Rogers being scared.

I do know Rogers had people open down the field damn near every play and either wouldnt pull the trigger and checked down, or got sacked. Alot of his problems is him. When he gets rid of the ball, shit clicks. I think he holds the ball way too long sometimes and misses some opportunity's.

Some of yall need to buckle up. Leach is gonna do it his way no matter what. Yall wanted a coach to actually want to be here and not be looking to get out after every off season and we have it. Let the man do it his way.

Oh and to something else I read earlier today. Cant remember where I saw it on here, but the fella said something to the effect that Leach was gonna have to get over having a few "bad apples" and suck it up. I say bullshit to that. If they wanna be preMadonnas and act like little shits, GTFO. Take your ass to Ole Miss and play. Leach wants guys that will work and bust their ass for him and for the University. Why would we not want that? That may have been the stupidest shit I have ever read on here.

Good post !

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Did Corral take this much abuse last year? He won't last the season taking that many hits.

[BayouDawg]

Did Corral take this much abuse last year? He won't last the season taking that many hits.

Just dumb running the ball with him with a 20 point lead in the 4th quarter.

[CaptainObvious]

Let?s see how they do against Austin Peay before we go crowning them NC.

Let?s Go Peay!
Let?s Go Peay!

[BeardoMSU]

What personnel did we have that was worth a shit last year? Kylin quit on us, all we had was some freshman receivers and 2 freshman backs. We didn't hardly have shit. Why not go ahead and get your system in place?

The only and I mean ONLY problem I have with us is I wish we could have kept Schrader with these receivers we have now. But I totally agree with Leach and what he has done. He wants to win and is gonna win his way. Why would we not. I mean we already have the best receiver core we have had and maybe EVER had. He has his QBs, but they are just young. They need time.

All these people saying we cant win unless we play smash mouth football or have a mobile QB here at State, when they hell has either of those things worked for us? When have we ever won anything worth a shit running the football.

How did Ole Miss beat Bama when they did? They threw the football. When they were throwing it all over the yard, people on here were complaining cause Mullen wouldn't/couldn't throw it and was running it. Now that we are throwing every down, people wanna complain about that.

Look, we arent gonna win shit and have never won shit lining up and trying to run smash mouth football against Bama or whoever. Were gonna to think outside the box. Now i agree, I wish our QB would run the ball like Minshew did when Leach had him. That would open up a whole new world. I dont know if that is Leach or if that is Rogers being scared.

I do know Rogers had people open down the field damn near every play and either wouldnt pull the trigger and checked down, or got sacked. Alot of his problems is him. When he gets rid of the ball, shit clicks. I think he holds the ball way too long sometimes and misses some opportunity's.

Some of yall need to buckle up. Leach is gonna do it his way no matter what. Yall wanted a coach to actually want to be here and not be looking to get out after every off season and we have it. Let the man do it his way.

Oh and to something else I read earlier today. Cant remember where I saw it on here, but the fella said something to the effect that Leach was gonna have to get over having a few "bad apples" and suck it up. I say bullshit to that. If they wanna be preMadonnas and act like little shits, GTFO. Take your ass to Ole Miss and play. Leach wants guys that will work and bust their ass for him and for the University. Why would we not want that? That may have been the stupidest shit I have ever read on here.

Ok, fair points.

Just to be clear, though, I haven't been one of the ones hankering for a RTGDFB offense, or saying this "doesn't fit our culture", or whatever else. I agree, the power-run option will only get you so far. And I obviously want Leach's offense to work; I just want him to make it more flexible. Now I don't want him to run the "Fitzgerald" offense, but a designed QB run every now and then would at least put the threat out there. And how about we move the pocket around, some boot-legs, run-pass options, etc. (instead of just having your QB stand back there like a statue)? All of that would make his offense more varied, and help the (struggling) OL out, too.

As others have also pointed out, this offense absolutely must have down field pressure. Granted, some of that is on the QB for not pushing it, but as the coach, Leach has to take the training wheels off and really stress this part; especially (as you note), we've got WR's running open deep. Got to get them the ball.

And you mentioned "look how OM beat Bama". I agree, you have to throw the ball in this day and age to beat good teams, and historically we haven't done that. It's worth pointing out, however, that the pass/run ratio for OM against Bama in 2014 was 31/32, and in 2015 was 33/32....

Finally, I get that Leach is an iconoclast with an ego, and he wants to do things "his way". I hope "his way" ends up working, but I think for it to really be successful, he's going to have to adapt a little more than he probably wants to or is used to.

[msstate7]

About the you have to pass to beat bama...

2014 OM vs bama: 32 runs, 31 passes
2015 OM vs bama: 32 runs, 33 passes

And also, we aren't beating Bama with our talent level. You gotta beat bama for some players to beat them on the field

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

So far. Don't know how good Louisville is.

Expected. OM is going to beat the breaks out of terrible teams. Louisville is very bad.

[Maroonthirteen]

I see the AD talking points have made it through OOB to the fan base......

We had Costello and Hill vs LSU last year and looked like a well oiled machine....... We had Costello and Hill vs Arkansas and UK, they switched to a drop 8 and we sucked. 2 points v UK. 2! However, yep.....after that people quit.

"Leach has to get his players." Yep, every coach does. However, you could bring back Minshew to this offense this week and it would look the same. Crossing pattern, swing pass, draw, Crossing pattern....repeat. Watch WSU film. We are running the same plays and making the same passes Minshew did.

"We aint' won nothing running the ball." Nobody is asking for the wing T or triple option. Mullen and Sherrill are the best coaches we had here and we won. We won a lot. Both coaches had a balanced attack and played defense. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that style of play. OOB wants to keep repeating the hot take......"Kirby Smart is too conservation. Jimbo is too conservative." We shall see.

If State fans want to defend Leach's offense, I understand. He will be here 4 years. However, I see a lot of shots aimed at Rogers and the OL. Those players are running the offense (underneath passes) and technique (wide splits) that they are told to run. The OL being confused on a simple twist stunt....that's on the OL coach. Very few passes of more than 5 yards......thats scheme. By the way, that game was close because of sloppy sloppy sloppy execution all over the field, not just offense. That's coaching.

Hail State.

[FISHDAWG]

Ok, fair points.

Just to be clear, though, I haven't been one of the ones hankering for a RTGDFB offense, or saying this "doesn't fit our culture", or whatever else. I agree, the power-run option will only get you so far. And I obviously want Leach's offense to work; I just want him to make it more flexible. Now I don't want him to run the "Fitzgerald" offense, but a designed QB run every now and then would at least put the threat out there. And how about we move the pocket around, some boot-legs, run-pass options, etc. (instead of just having your QB stand back there like a statue)? All of that would make his offense more varied, and help the (struggling) OL out, too.

As others have also pointed out, this offense absolutely must have down field pressure. Granted, some of that is on the QB for not pushing it, but as the coach, Leach has to take the training wheels off and really stress this part; especially (as you note), we've got WR's running open deep. Got to get them the ball.

And you mentioned "look how OM beat Bama". I agree, you have to throw the ball in this day and age to beat good teams, and historically we haven't done that. It's worth pointing out, however, that the pass/run ratio for OM against Bama in 2014 was 31/32, and in 2015 was 33/32....

Finally, I get that Leach is an iconoclast with an ego, and he wants to do things "his way". I hope "his way" ends up working, but I think for it to really be successful, he's going to have to adapt a little more than he probably wants to or is used to.

^^^ quality post

[FISHDAWG]

I see the AD talking points have made it through OOB to the fan base......

We had Costello and Hill vs LSU last year and looked like a well oiled machine....... We had Costello and Hill vs Arkansas and UK, they switched to a drop 8 and we sucked. 2 points v UK. 2! However, yep.....after that people quit.

"Leach has to get his players." Yep, every coach does. However, you could bring back Minshew to this offense this week and it would look the same. Crossing pattern, swing pass, draw, Crossing pattern....repeat. Watch WSU film. We are running the same plays and making the same passes Minshew did.

"We aint' won nothing running the ball." Nobody is asking for the wing T or triple option. Mullen and Sherrill are the best coaches we had here and we won. We won a lot. Both coaches had a balanced attack and played defense. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that style of play. OOB wants to keep repeating the hot take......"Kirby Smart is too conservation. Jimbo is too conservative." We shall see.

If State fans want to defend Leach's offense, I understand. He will be here 4 years. However, I see a lot of shots aimed at Rogers and the OL. Those players are running the offense (underneath passes) and technique (wide splits) that they are told to run. The OL being confused on a simple twist stunt....that's on the OL coach. Very few passes of more than 5 yards......thats scheme. By the way, that game was close because of sloppy sloppy sloppy execution all over the field, not just offense. That's coaching.

Hail State.

^^^ another quality post

[TrapGame]

Ok, fair points.

Just to be clear, though, I haven't been one of the ones hankering for a RTGDFB offense, or saying this "doesn't fit our culture", or whatever else. I agree, the power-run option will only get you so far. And I obviously want Leach's offense to work; I just want him to make it more flexible. Now I don't want him to run the "Fitzgerald" offense, but a designed QB run every now and then would at least put the threat out there. And how about we move the pocket around, some boot-legs, run-pass options, etc. (instead of just having your QB stand back there like a statue)? All of that would make his offense more varied, and help the (struggling) OL out, too.

As others have also pointed out, this offense absolutely must have down field pressure. Granted, some of that is on the QB for not pushing it, but as the coach, Leach has to take the training wheels off and really stress this part; especially (as you note), we've got WR's running open deep. Got to get them the ball.

And you mentioned "look how OM beat Bama". I agree, you have to throw the ball in this day and age to beat good teams, and historically we haven't done that. It's worth pointing out, however, that the pass/run ratio for OM against Bama in 2014 was 31/32, and in 2015 was 33/32....

Finally, I get that Leach is an iconoclast with an ego, and he wants to do things "his way". I hope "his way" ends up working, but I think for it to really be successful, he's going to have to adapt a little more than he probably wants to or is used to.

Top shelf post.

I believe if Leach would just adapt to a dual threat QB w/ scripted QB run plays sprinkled in for four quarters this offense would be pretty dangerous. When the other team has to account for a QB that can get 15-20 yards with his legs at the drop of a hat we would see some more open passing lanes and a lot less drop 8.

[maroonmania]

I see the AD talking points have made it through OOB to the fan base......

We had Costello and Hill vs LSU last year and looked like a well oiled machine....... We had Costello and Hill vs Arkansas and UK, they switched to a drop 8 and we sucked. 2 points v UK. 2! However, yep.....after that people quit.

"Leach has to get his players." Yep, every coach does. However, you could bring back Minshew to this offense this week and it would look the same. Crossing pattern, swing pass, draw, Crossing pattern....repeat. Watch WSU film. We are running the same plays and making the same passes Minshew did.

"We aint' won nothing running the ball." Nobody is asking for the wing T or triple option. Mullen and Sherrill are the best coaches we had here and we won. We won a lot. Both coaches had a balanced attack and played defense. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that style of play. OOB wants to keep repeating the hot take......"Kirby Smart is too conservation. Jimbo is too conservative." We shall see.

If State fans want to defend Leach's offense, I understand. He will be here 4 years. However, I see a lot of shots aimed at Rogers and the OL. Those players are running the offense (underneath passes) and technique (wide splits) that they are told to run. The OL being confused on a simple twist stunt....that's on the OL coach. Very few passes of more than 5 yards......thats scheme. By the way, that game was close because of sloppy sloppy sloppy execution all over the field, not just offense. That's coaching.

Hail State.

State fans don't really need to defend Leach's offense. Leach's offense historical results pretty much defends itself. As I put in another post, his last WSU offense in 2019 was 7th in the nation in total offense and 11th in points per game. Now you can certainly say that offenses are like stocks in that past performance is no guarantee of future performance but all of you saying dogmatically it won't work are going directly against Leach's historical track record. And maybe it won't ever work well against the upper elite SEC defenses but there aren't that many of those right now and no offense we've ever run, including the great Dan Mullen offense, ever worked against those defenses either. Biggest issue currently is needing to get more SEC quality OL on campus or do a much better job of developing the ones we have. If we don't do that it won't matter much what offense we run. Not sure what's going on with a guy like Cross right now who is supposed to be elite but isn't showing it.

[R2Dawg]

I see the AD talking points have made it through OOB to the fan base......

We had Costello and Hill vs LSU last year and looked like a well oiled machine....... We had Costello and Hill vs Arkansas and UK, they switched to a drop 8 and we sucked. 2 points v UK. 2! However, yep.....after that people quit.

"Leach has to get his players." Yep, every coach does. However, you could bring back Minshew to this offense this week and it would look the same. Crossing pattern, swing pass, draw, Crossing pattern....repeat. Watch WSU film. We are running the same plays and making the same passes Minshew did.

"We aint' won nothing running the ball." Nobody is asking for the wing T or triple option. Mullen and Sherrill are the best coaches we had here and we won. We won a lot. Both coaches had a balanced attack and played defense. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that style of play. OOB wants to keep repeating the hot take......"Kirby Smart is too conservation. Jimbo is too conservative." We shall see.

If State fans want to defend Leach's offense, I understand. He will be here 4 years. However, I see a lot of shots aimed at Rogers and the OL. Those players are running the offense (underneath passes) and technique (wide splits) that they are told to run. The OL being confused on a simple twist stunt....that's on the OL coach. Very few passes of more than 5 yards......thats scheme. By the way, that game was close because of sloppy sloppy sloppy execution all over the field, not just offense. That's coaching.

Hail State.

Great post, nailed it 13. What many of us have been harping on as soon as it became obvious. This will continue for 2 more years.

[R2Dawg]

State fans don't really need to defend Leach's offense. Leach's offense historical results pretty much defends itself. As I put in another post, his last WSU offense in 2019 was 7th in the nation in total offense and 11th in points per game. Now you can certainly say that offenses are like stocks in that past performance is no guarantee of future performance but all of you saying dogmatically it won't work are going directly against Leach's historical track record. And maybe it won't ever work well against the upper elite SEC defenses but there aren't that many of those right now and no offense we've ever run, including the great Dan Mullen offense, ever worked against those defenses either. Biggest issue currently is needing to get more SEC quality OL on campus or do a much better job of developing the ones we have. If we don't do that it won't matter much what offense we run. Not sure what's going on with a guy like Cross right now who is supposed to be elite but isn't showing it.

Leach's O is 25 years old, it worked in the 90s. There is a reason people adapt and mix these ideas - defenses figure it out. Reason why we don't run the wishbone anymore but good coaches adapt and run a spread option and also pass out of it. We will win about as much as Army running option only football but Army doesn't play in the SEC.

Leach has never proven he can run only air raid 25 year old plays in the SEC modern era. The experiment continues. Every other HC that has commented on MSU and Leach's O has said the same thing many on here are saying.

[Turfdawg67]

I wish we played a fun offense like this

Of course you do... you've been a big fan of theirs for a long time. Dare I say... fan? They get much more positive posts than you ever give our State teams.

[parabrave]

Well Paauuullll just poured cold water on the Bears win. Said Louisville was a terrible team.

[msstate7]

Of course you do... you've been a big fan of theirs for a long time. Dare I say... fan? They get much more positive posts than you ever give our State teams.

I've been a fan of kiffin's. I wanted him before he went to OM. I really like his offense

[OLJWales]

I've been a fan of kiffin's. I wanted him before he went to OM. I really like his offense

Ole Miss sucks shit in hell. Kiffin is Khan and Leach is Captain Kirk. Kirk just whipped him again cuz I just saw it.