OM reaches 100% Vax Rate

[ScoobaDawg]

Took me two seconds to find a professor at Johns Hopkins that disagrees with you. My point isn't that your sources are wrong simply that we can all find facts to fit a narrative.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vaccines-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans

I could probably find doctors at all of the institutions that you listed that would disagree with your assertion. So I guess my question is are all of these people stating natural immunity is as good or better than the vaccine complete dumb a**es? If so shouldn't they lose their license etc? I mean can we really have this many doctors from reputable schools working at reputable institutions putting out so much false information? That is a serious question for you.

Again, I am pro vax 100%, I just believe we should at least be able to have discussions about the efficacy of something that was created in what? 11 months. Why can't we just have a conversation about it.


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It wasn't created in 11 months. mRNA has been around and heavily studied...

[ScoobaDawg]

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I don't see people arguing over if we should ban big macs or not because heart disease kills almost 400 people a day. Eh I guess it is just their choice to be fat and out of shape to the point that their heart stops, that is on them right? If we are truly worried about saving lives why isn't the government pushing better health IE eating better, vitamin intake etc. along with getting the vaccine? Hell cigarettes kill 1300 people a day, we have warnings that tobacco is bad for you but we don't mandate that you don't use it. Why is that?

alcohol related accidents kill close to 270 people a day, are those lives lost not important enough to mandate a ban on alcohol? That doesn't include all of the irreparable damage done to families that don't involve a death.

I would just like to see some consistency in policy. We are either worried about saving lives or we aren't.

You can say your comment about what aboutisms bs or whatever but if your argument is we need to do this because it will save lives then I would simply like an explanation from you as to why these other lives aren't important enough to insert mandates etc. Surely it isn't because we just have to live with the fact that some people make stupid decisions and it costs them their lives and others.

For alcohol, why not mandate that a 150$ breathalizer needs to be attached to every vehicle sold in order for it to start. I am sure that would save some lives and provide little inconvenience to those that don't drink and drive.

Ok I was gonna ignore it... but you are coming close to just trolling
Wtf does being fat and eating a Big Mac have to do with Covid. I don't think big mac breath will make you physically sick (unless your a California vegan).

Ugh if you want to know why the government isn't pushing preventive medicine.. Follow the money, that's not hard to figure out... and that's a topic for another thread.

[ScoobaDawg]

When you take a break from reading your propaganda, please go look up a study or two about these shots. But dont bother searching for any of the animals they tested them on. They have just about all caught permanent dirt naps. Hence why these things never have been approved and still aren?t approved.

Real science. Not pseudoscience.

So we should all be dead for taking the vaccine? Oh man, i've missed seeing your ignorance. Not.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

It wasn't created in 11 months. mRNA has been around and heavily studied...

It literally says on the CDC website it's a new treatment. How long has it been studied? What's it shown to be effective against? What are the long term studies on effects of protein spikes on cells? Give me a non-mRNA vaccine that's shown effective and I'm onboard.

[SheltonChoked]

Like the Johnson and Johnson Vaccine?

[Liverpooldawg]

I'd like this breakdown of what Ph.D.'s were refusing it. Where you getting it?

Haven't seen it. Just an observation.

[Liverpooldawg]

BTW, the fading of phizer sorta makes sense now when you look at Israel's numbers

ETA... I got phizer, and I tested positive last week. Didn't get sick though... mild fever and sore throat

Which is exactly what the vaccine is supposed to do for you.

[SheltonChoked]

BTW, the fading of phizer sorta makes sense now when you look at Israel's numbers

ETA... I got phizer, and I tested positive last week. Didn't get sick though... mild fever and sore throat

So the vaccine worked....

[Liverpooldawg]

Thank you for the source. In looking deeper at the information (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf); it was derived using an online survey.

Volunteer online surveys do not produce valid results. (https://www.pewresearch.org/2010/12/29/how-accurate-are-online-polls/)

Here is an instance where the source would appear to be reputable, but when digging deeper - the means in which the results were derived make it worthless.
Oh. Then that study is useless.

[Liverpooldawg]

And if you go to the ER with a broken wrist from falling off a ladder and they find a heart condition, they treat the heart condition, too. They don't just splint it up and let you go.

I'm not sure you understand how healthcare works....

He quite obviously has no clue. I've got a relative that went in for a broken hip and they found a serious prostate problem. They fixed the hip but the prostate problem is turning out to be the one that is more serious.

[Liverpooldawg]

Help me here. What I've yet to understand, if you are protected by the shot you so believe in, what are you worried about? You will not get sick or need a hospital.

Fact is it is mostly the sick vaccinated that are spreading this. They think they are protected and are not. Israel study showed that natural immunity was 7X more effective than any vaccine. Millions of people don't need a vac, some vulnerable people do but not everyone. If you have natural immunity or have vac, what are you worried about?

I have my protection, I just don't understand the thinking? Please enlighten me.

Fact is you don't have a clue what you are talking about. You are just flat out wrong and you have been shown that by others here and still won't believe it.

[Liverpooldawg]

Took me two seconds to find a professor at Johns Hopkins that disagrees with you. My point isn't that your sources are wrong simply that we can all find facts to fit a narrative.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vaccines-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans

I could probably find doctors at all of the institutions that you listed that would disagree with your assertion. So I guess my question is are all of these people stating natural immunity is as good or better than the vaccine complete dumb a**es? If so shouldn't they lose their license etc? I mean can we really have this many doctors from reputable schools working at reputable institutions putting out so much false information? That is a serious question for you.

Again, I am pro vax 100%, I just believe we should at least be able to have discussions about the efficacy of something that was created in what? 11 months. Why can't we just have a conversation about it.

I don't see people arguing over if we should ban big macs or not because heart disease kills almost 400 people a day. Eh I guess it is just their choice to be fat and out of shape to the point that their heart stops, that is on them right? If we are truly worried about saving lives why isn't the government pushing better health IE eating better, vitamin intake etc. along with getting the vaccine? Hell cigarettes kill 1300 people a day, we have warnings that tobacco is bad for you but we don't mandate that you don't use it. Why is that?

alcohol related accidents kill close to 270 people a day, are those lives lost not important enough to mandate a ban on alcohol? That doesn't include all of the irreparable damage done to families that don't involve a death.

I would just like to see some consistency in policy. We are either worried about saving lives or we aren't.

You can say your comment about what aboutisms bs or whatever but if your argument is we need to do this because it will save lives then I would simply like an explanation from you as to why these other lives aren't important enough to insert mandates etc. Surely it isn't because we just have to live with the fact that some people make stupid decisions and it costs them their lives and others.

For alcohol, why not mandate that a 150$ breathalizer needs to be attached to every vehicle sold in order for it to start. I am sure that would save some lives and provide little inconvenience to those that don't drink and drive.
Ugh you didn't read the article very well and there is date that shoots down his assertion that natural immunity is as good. It is , except for Delta. I'm going to see what that guys specialty is . Ok, and I think the new infrastructure bill DID mandate breathalyzers in new cars. It was in one very late version of the bill for sure. I don't know if it made the final one.

[Dawgfan77]

He quite obviously has no clue. I've got a relative that went in for a broken hip and they found a serious prostate problem. They fixed the hip but the prostate problem is turning out to be the one that is more serious.

So right I have no idea. Have a great day

BTW I probably have more knowledge about this subject than you but that's cool bro. You do you!

[Liverpooldawg]

Ugh you didn't read the article very well and there is date that shoots down his assertion that natural immunity is as good. It is , except for Delta. I'm going to see what that guys specialty is . Ok, and I think the new infrastructure bill DID mandate breathalyzers in new cars. It was in one very late version of the bill for sure. I don't know if it made the final one.

I looked your guy up. He is a gastro surgeon but he teaches public health policy. He predicted that the US would reach herd immunity, mainly from natural immunity, in April of this year. He is a legit guy but it appears he is one of the outliers on this, and has already been proven wrong on his natural immunity assertions, which he won't give up on.

[Liverpooldawg]

It literally says on the CDC website it's a new treatment. How long has it been studied? What's it shown to be effective against? What are the long term studies on effects of protein spikes on cells? Give me a non-mRNA vaccine that's shown effective and I'm onboard.

So you are worried about the protein spikes in the limited numbers the shots produce. Then you should be down right terrorized by the billions upon billions of them that an un vaccinated infection produces in your body.

[Hot Rock]

The crazy stuff is the aftermath of having Covid is way worse than any side effects the vaccine has been claimed to have. Event those are rare.

Covid leaves people with brain damage, long term damage to thier lungs and heart disease. The vaccine can help limit this stuff.


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

The only explaination I can come up with as to why people are not getting the vaccine at this point is that they have fed false information by the Chinese so they won't get vaccinate. The Chinese have become experts at the propaganda game.

[BB30]

Ugh you didn't read the article very well and there is date that shoots down his assertion that natural immunity is as good. It is , except for Delta. I'm going to see what that guys specialty is . Ok, and I think the new infrastructure bill DID mandate breathalyzers in new cars. It was in one very late version of the bill for sure. I don't know if it made the final one.

How did I not read the article well. He explicitly states that natural immunity is probably better than the vaccine. I want you to understand I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you. I don't want to argue but I would like to be able to have civil discussions on a topic without 4 or 5 of you jumping to the conclusion that we are all dumb a**es for simply wanting to be able to have a discussion on the topic.

Want to see something interesting, google "natural immunity vs covid vaccine which is better" and then do the same search on duck duck go. It is astounding the amount of shadow banning google does to reputable sources that disagree with their premise. You can find tons of medical literature from reputable schools and colleges, some very similar to those you named that have differing views.

Even better one though slightly off topic is the hunter biden new laptop scandal. Google it and very little comes up regarding his most recent transgressions. Search on duck duck go and you can see the actual video along with about 1000 sources reporting on it. Google is playing God to a degree when it comes to what information we get to see and what we don't.

My point with commenting on your post was more or less to point out the fact that we can't have civil discussion anymore and we aren't allowed to discuss all of the possibilities. We should be able to have those conversations, see the data and where it is coming from and then make an educated, measured decision based on all of the data that is out there, not just half of the data that agrees with CNN, Google, NBC, the NYT and Washington Post. They are not our overlords or gods and they shouldn't be able to control what data we get to see and what we don't. They shouldn't get to decide that we are too stupid to make our own decisions.

[Liverpooldawg]

How did I not read the article well. He explicitly states that natural immunity is probably better than the vaccine. I want you to understand I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you. I don't want to argue but I would like to be able to have civil discussions on a topic without 4 or 5 of you jumping to the conclusion that we are all dumb a**es for simply wanting to be able to have a discussion on the topic.

Want to see something interesting, google "natural immunity vs covid vaccine which is better" and then do the same search on duck duck go. It is astounding the amount of shadow banning google does to reputable sources that disagree with their premise. You can find tons of medical literature from reputable schools and colleges, some very similar to those you named that have differing views.

Even better one though slightly off topic is the hunter biden new laptop scandal. Google it and very little comes up regarding his most recent transgressions. Search on duck duck go and you can see the actual video along with about 1000 sources reporting on it. Google is playing God to a degree when it comes to what information we get to see and what we don't.

My point with commenting on your post was more or less to point out the fact that we can't have civil discussion anymore and we aren't allowed to discuss all of the possibilities. We should be able to have those conversations, see the data and where it is coming from and then make an educated, measured decision based on all of the data that is out there, not just half of the data that agrees with CNN, Google, NBC, the NYT and Washington Post. They are not our overlords or gods and they shouldn't be able to control what data we get to see and what we don't. They shouldn't get to decide that we are too stupid to make our own decisions.

But he has already been wrong about it. Go take a look at his track record. His theory didn't work.

[Liverpooldawg]

But he has already been wrong about it. Go take a look at his track record. His theory didn't work.

Why am I. It surprised you brought up shadow banning. There is a great article on how conspiracy theory people work very hard to get "shadow banned." Tho their followers, like you, it makes them look legit.

[BeardoMSU]

Why am I. It surprised you brought up shadow banning. There is a great article on how conspiracy theory people work very hard to get "shadow banned." Tho their followers, like you, it makes them look legit.

It's a cult of persecution.

[SheltonChoked]

How did I not read the article well. He explicitly states that natural immunity is probably better than the vaccine. I want you to understand I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you. I don't want to argue but I would like to be able to have civil discussions on a topic without 4 or 5 of you jumping to the conclusion that we are all dumb a**es for simply wanting to be able to have a discussion on the topic.

Want to see something interesting, google "natural immunity vs covid vaccine which is better" and then do the same search on duck duck go. It is astounding the amount of shadow banning google does to reputable sources that disagree with their premise. You can find tons of medical literature from reputable schools and colleges, some very similar to those you named that have differing views.

Even better one though slightly off topic is the hunter biden new laptop scandal. Google it and very little comes up regarding his most recent transgressions. Search on duck duck go and you can see the actual video along with about 1000 sources reporting on it. Google is playing God to a degree when it comes to what information we get to see and what we don't.

My point with commenting on your post was more or less to point out the fact that we can't have civil discussion anymore and we aren't allowed to discuss all of the possibilities. We should be able to have those conversations, see the data and where it is coming from and then make an educated, measured decision based on all of the data that is out there, not just half of the data that agrees with CNN, Google, NBC, the NYT and Washington Post. They are not our overlords or gods and they shouldn't be able to control what data we get to see and what we don't. They shouldn't get to decide that we are too stupid to make our own decisions.

Because, at some point, you have to trust the experts.

Do you know what the most complex thing in I was taught in 4 years of Chemistry was? Orbital shells. The stuff they teach in the first week of High school chem. They tell you how atomic number and electron shells make atoms different. In Physical Chemistry, you learn the math of how and why. and it's complicated as ****.

It's that way with everything. If you are really really smart, you might "get" how some stuff works, but you don't really know. You only know the bare surface of it. I don't care if it's Chemistry, physics, math, or thermodynamics. (i'm not even going to touch the really complex biological sciences that build on all those).

So be my guest. read. try and learn. Try and understand. and when the vast majority of the experts say "get the ****ing vaccine", or "humans burning fossil fuels is going to **** the climate and make things shitty for human life", know they know a lot more than you do about it.


And **** what you read about hunter biden. use that same big brain of yours to look at the trump family.

[99jc]

Wow. I used to listen to the radio show that he did with Justin Sutton on Bulldog Sports Radio. That?s terrible.

BUT BUT......Covid not real!

[R2Dawg]

BUT BUT......Covid not real!

Don't be an idiot. No one has said it isn't real and bad when someone dies.

Every loss of life is a loss. People die of all kinds of things every day. Just that no one cares unless it has Covid attached to it.

Anyone care about the people who died from the vaccine or heart attack or cancer or flu or whatever? Or lets say abortion that has killed 60 million babies since 73. Answer is no body cares about those deaths.

[BeardoMSU]

D

Anyone care about the people who died from the vaccine or heart attack or cancer or flu or whatever?

Name a single person who's death has been attributed to the vaccine.

[Johnson85]

RIP to Mr. Abston. Here's the issue though, its extremely rare for a 51 year old man otherwise pretty healthy to just up and pass from a respiratory illness. This is now a fairly common occurrence. That's what should be alarming. 99% survival sounds great, but when you only get to die once, 1 out of 100 is an awful lot for a cold.

Well, one thing that would help is if we got more realistic about who is healthy and stressed that at least as far as COVID is concerned, if you are overweight, you are not healthy. I have seen quite a few stories about people dealing with covid now and they (or their surviving or still healthy family member) say they didn't think they had to worry about it since they were relatively young and healthy, but then you see pictures and they are obviously overweight and most likely obese.

I don't think we've done as good of a job as we should have stressing how dangerous this is to the obese and really pushing exercise and losing weight from the beginning of the pandemic. But what I have been shocked at is that we apparently needed to do a much better job of what is meant by obese. There are a lot of people that are at least on the cusp of obesity if not well past it that apparently think they are healthy and don't need a vaccine. And I am not talking about fitness nuts caught up in the oversimplification of the BMI formula. People that are clearly round with a good bit of excess fat, who also put themselves in the low risk category despite all the headlines about obesity being a pre-existing condition.

[chef dixon]

Well, one thing that would help is if we got more realistic about who is healthy and stressed that at least as far as COVID is concerned, if you are overweight, you are not healthy. I have seen quite a few stories about people dealing with covid now and they (or their surviving or still healthy family member) say they didn't think they had to worry about it since they were relatively young and healthy, but then you see pictures and they are obviously overweight and most likely obese.

I don't think we've done as good of a job as we should have stressing how dangerous this is to the obese and really pushing exercise and losing weight from the beginning of the pandemic. But what I have been shocked at is that we apparently needed to do a much better job of what is meant by obese. There are a lot of people that are at least on the cusp of obesity if not well past it that apparently think they are healthy and don't need a vaccine. And I am not talking about fitness nuts caught up in the oversimplification of the BMI formula. People that are clearly round with a good bit of excess fat, who also put themselves in the low risk category despite all the headlines about obesity being a pre-existing condition.

Man, we've been telling people to do that for decades to prevent heart disease, diabetes, stroke, kidney disease etc. It wasn't going to change for this and it also wasn't going to change the course of the pandemic. The thing is, we have a pretty good quick fix for this (to prevent death or severe illness) in the vaccine; and to hear he took his 3 family members to get the vaccine, but he chose not to, is absolutely tragic. RIP.

[Coach34]

Name a single person who's death has been attributed to the vaccine.

As of a month ago- VAERS has reported over 12,000 deaths attributed to the vaccine. It does happen

[HancockCountyDog]

As of a month ago- VAERS has reported over 12,000 deaths attributed to the vaccine. It does happen

Come on Coach.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-9318/fact-check-reports-of-9318-vaers-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-do-not-prove-causality-idUSL1N2P21CV

[Johnson85]

As of a month ago- VAERS has reported over 12,000 deaths attributed to the vaccine. It does happen

That's not exactly right I don't think. VAERS just collects adverse events. They are then looked into to determine which ones were caused by a vaccine. That said, the number isn't zero either but it appears to be pretty good.

[BeardoMSU]

As of a month ago- VAERS has reported over 12,000 deaths attributed to the vaccine. It does happen

I said people who's deaths were attributed to taking the vaccine. Causality from the actual vaccine....

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-12000/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-exceeded-12000-idUSL1N2P21DB

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/09/tiktok-posts/no-truth-vaers-system-shows-6000-died-because-covi/

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/scicheck-viral-posts-misuse-vaers-data-to-make-false-claims-about-covid-19-vaccines/

[Percho]

Well, one thing that would help is if we got more realistic about who is healthy and stressed that at least as far as COVID is concerned, if you are overweight, you are not healthy. I have seen quite a few stories about people dealing with covid now and they (or their surviving or still healthy family member) say they didn't think they had to worry about it since they were relatively young and healthy, but then you see pictures and they are obviously overweight and most likely obese.

I don't think we've done as good of a job as we should have stressing how dangerous this is to the obese and really pushing exercise and losing weight from the beginning of the pandemic. But what I have been shocked at is that we apparently needed to do a much better job of what is meant by obese. There are a lot of people that are at least on the cusp of obesity if not well past it that apparently think they are healthy and don't need a vaccine. And I am not talking about fitness nuts caught up in the oversimplification of the BMI formula. People that are clearly round with a good bit of excess fat, who also put themselves in the low risk category despite all the headlines about obesity being a pre-existing condition.

I have noticed the same thing. I know I could loose 10 to 20 lbs and much healthier and I am as old as dirt.

[Johnson85]

Man, we've been telling people to do that for decades to prevent heart disease, diabetes, stroke, kidney disease etc. It wasn't going to change for this

Well, for many of those decades, we've followed that up by essentially recommending a low fat, high carb diet, so I get some of those people getting discouraged and giving up. That said, it's one thing to say "you could suffer some adverse effects decades down the line" and another to say, "you could be dead within the year". Certainly a lot of people would not have changed habits. But I think if they had been upfront about the data from the get go and told people "this is basically less deadly than the flu if you are young and not overweight and don't have any other conditions", a lot of people would have been motivated by that.


and it also wasn't going to change the course of the pandemic. It absolutely could have changed the course of the pandemic if you are talking about deaths. You can do a lot in six months of exercise and proper eating. And presumably if people had exercised more, a good chunk of them would have exercised outdoors and so would have had better levels of vitamin D. Then of course that would have lasting benefits beyond this pandemic.



The thing is, we have a pretty good quick fix for this (to prevent death or severe illness) in the vaccine; and to hear he took his 3 family members to get the vaccine, but he chose not to, is absolutely tragic. RIP. And this goes back to my original point. It is hard to convince people to get in shape, and it is apparently hard to convince a lot of young and healthy people to get the vaccine, but it should be a lot easier to educate people on whether they are overweight or not, and that being overweight is a significant comorbidity regardless of how healthy they think they are.

[Percho]

https://www.greatnewsreport.com/india-bar-association-iba-asking-for-death-penalty-for-who-chief-scientist-dr-soumya-swaminathan-for-deaths-caused-by-her-misleading-about-ivermectin/

[BeardoMSU]

https://www.greatnewsreport.com/india-bar-association-iba-asking-for-death-penalty-for-who-chief-scientist-dr-soumya-swaminathan-for-deaths-caused-by-her-misleading-about-ivermectin/

That website is a fun read, lol...

Yikes.

[SheltonChoked]

https://www.greatnewsreport.com/india-bar-association-iba-asking-for-death-penalty-for-who-chief-scientist-dr-soumya-swaminathan-for-deaths-caused-by-her-misleading-about-ivermectin/

The LD 50 of Ivermectrin is 2.02 mg/kg. The dose I give my horses would kill anyone weighing less than 250 lbs...

[Percho]

The LD 50 of Ivermectrin is 2.02 mg/kg. The dose I give my horses would kill anyone weighing less than 250 lbs...

I do not think it is given to humans as to horses. It has been used to treat humans also, if I correctly understand.

[BeardoMSU]

if I correctly understand.

If you're relying on that site, probably not...

[Homedawg]

But he has already been wrong about it. Go take a look at his track record. His theory didn't work.

So why In The hell should anyone believe fauci. He's be wrong, right, wrong, changed opinions 100 times but this guy who was wrong once is a dunce?? Just asking.

[R2Dawg]

RIP to Mr. Abston. Here's the issue though, its extremely rare for a 51 year old man otherwise pretty healthy to just up and pass from a respiratory illness. This is now a fairly common occurrence. That's what should be alarming. 99% survival sounds great, but when you only get to die once, 1 out of 100 is an awful lot for a cold.

True but those ages died in early Covid too. Lost a good friend of mine Dec.2020 from Covid, he was 51. He did have a major heart issue though.

The death rate is not 1 of 100. It is actually lower in the Delta variant but the news is just getting more amped up.

Same is true for what I posted, the other deaths are just as impactful but no one wants to acknowledge any other deaths but by Covid.

People are obsessed, people are acting out in fear (fear is of the devil by the way), some are just now realizing their own mortality and it scares them to death.

Get the sin/death vaccine - the Jesus vaccine and you don't have to live in fear.

[BeardoMSU]

Get the sin/death vaccine - the Jesus vaccine and you don't have to live in fear.

JFC...

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[Bothrops]

I don't think anyone unvaccinated is safe from this variant. I know of two vaccinated people that died and one was in his 30s.

[BayouDawg]

I don't think anyone unvaccinated is safe from this variant. I know of two vaccinated people that died and one was in his 30s.

The unvaccinated aren?t safe because 2 vaccinated people died? Or are you saying both people that died were unvaccinated?

[Bothrops]

The unvaccinated aren?t safe because 2 vaccinated people died? Or are you saying both people that died were unvaccinated?

Both. Two people were vaccinated and died of delta variant. And many unvaccinated young healthy people are dying with Delta mutation.

[BayouDawg]

Both. Two people were vaccinated and died of delta variant. And many unvaccinated young healthy people are dying with Delta mutation.

Thanks for clarifying. Here in BR about 15 of my relatively young coworkers have had it over the last couple of months and no one has had serious symptoms so far thank goodness. Its been flu-like symptoms for them.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Damn. I hate to hear that.
Could be any of us. Get the vaccine, wash your hands, socially distance when you are in public, and wear a mask if you go indoors.

For the next two months or so, I wouldn?t go out to eat. If anything limit your public outings where there will be a bunch of people indoors.

[Johnson85]

Both. Two people were vaccinated and died of delta variant. And many unvaccinated young healthy people are dying with Delta mutation.

Are you sure about this? I'm sure it happens, but I can't find anyone giving data on what the actual risk is. And virtually every time I see a story about someone "healthy" struggling with it, it turns out they are pretty overweight.

I know it's not easy to gather data during a pandemic and it won't be great data, but it seems like they could do a better job than they are doing. If you want to convince the young and healthy to get vaccinated, it seems like the first thing you'd do is show them how risky it is to them.

ETA: And they could also do a better job showing how dangerous it is for obese people. They've been pretty vocal about it, but clearly some overweight people have been taking false comfort in the general case fatality rates and then adjusting down based on the fact that they aren't old, but somehow not adjusting it right back up because they are overweight.

[SheltonChoked]

Are you sure about this? I'm sure it happens, but I can't find anyone giving data on what the actual risk is. And virtually every time I see a story about someone "healthy" struggling with it, it turns out they are pretty overweight.

I know it's not easy to gather data during a pandemic and it won't be great data, but it seems like they could do a better job than they are doing. If you want to convince the young and healthy to get vaccinated, it seems like the first thing you'd do is show them how risky it is to them.

ETA: And they could also do a better job showing how dangerous it is for obese people. They've been pretty vocal about it, but clearly some overweight people have been taking false comfort in the general case fatality rates and then adjusting down based on the fact that they aren't old, but somehow not adjusting it right back up because they are overweight.

This is anecdotal, but this 8th grader is not overweight. https://www.mississippifreepress.org/14800/mississippi-8th-grader-dies-with-covid-hours-after-gov-reeves-downplays-child-cases/

And we get it, you don't like fat people....

[Johnson85]

This is anecdotal, but this 8th grader is not overweight. https://www.mississippifreepress.org/14800/mississippi-8th-grader-dies-with-covid-hours-after-gov-reeves-downplays-child-cases/ That is more helpful to the push for vaccinations. They still should collect and push out data too, but if they are going to rely on anecdotes, ones like that one are much more persuasive.



And we get it, you don't like fat people.... If I didn't like fat people I wouldn't want them to get vaccinated. It has just been mind blowing for me to see friends of friends that have not gotten the vaccine and see news and/or facebook stories about people that did not get the vaccine when they are clearly overweight. I get vaccine hesitancy for people that are young and healthy. I don't think the data will back up their position, but I really don't know the data for the young and healthy, and I at least get why they think the unknowns associated with the vaccine might warrant them waiting. It seems much less reasonable for people that are overweight to not get the vaccine and that seems like a much easier hill to climb as far as pushing public policy.

[SheltonChoked]

That is more helpful to the push for vaccinations. They still should collect and push out data too, but if they are going to rely on anecdotes, ones like that one are much more persuasive.


If I didn't like fat people I wouldn't want them to get vaccinated. It has just been mind blowing for me to see friends of friends that have not gotten the vaccine and see news and/or facebook stories about people that did not get the vaccine when they are clearly overweight. I get vaccine hesitancy for people that are young and healthy. I don't think the data will back up their position, but I really don't know the data for the young and healthy, and I at least get why they think the unknowns associated with the vaccine might warrant them waiting. It seems much less reasonable for people that are overweight to not get the vaccine and that seems like a much easier hill to climb as far as pushing public policy.

I should have put sarasterisks on the fat people part of the post, sorry.

I don't know if the 8th grader is typical or not, but it is not just overweight people suffering from Delta. The children's hospital ICU in Houston is full (the world's largest children's hospital) and sending kids to other cities and school starts next week.

And I agree it's sad, and unfathomable to me on the vaccine hesitancy. We have vaccinated 180 million americans, and 4.7 billion worldwide. That's very large test. The vaccine is the best, safest way to combat covid.

Mississippi vaccinates EVERYONE for MMR, chickenpox, and Hepatitis (all of which are less lethal than COVID, and the vaccine has similar effectiveness). ( I mean everyone, it takes a note from Dr Byers to not get a vaccine)

[SheltonChoked]

I do not think it is given to humans as to horses. It has been used to treat humans also, if I correctly understand.

You are assuming that the people buying it at the Co-op and at tractor supply are smart enough to do that. But it's not getting sold out due to the number of people with new Covid livestock.

Yes, Ivermectin is/can be used in Humans. It's a pill and a good de-wormer. It's the same drug given to livestock, but livestock take a much higher dose.

[Johnson85]

I should have put sarasterisks on the fat people part of the post, sorry.

I don't know if the 8th grader is typical or not, but it is not just overweight people suffering from Delta. The children's hospital ICU in Houston is full (the world's largest children's hospital) and sending kids to other cities and school starts next week.

And I agree it's sad, and unfathomable to me on the vaccine hesitancy. We have vaccinated 180 million americans, and 4.7 billion worldwide. That's very large test. The vaccine is the best, safest way to combat covid.

Mississippi vaccinates EVERYONE for MMR, chickenpox, and Hepatitis (all of which are less lethal than COVID, and the vaccine has similar effectiveness). ( I mean everyone, it takes a note from Dr Byers to not get a vaccine)

Whether it's typical or not, it should be used in messaging as a counter to the anecdotal messages about people suffering heart failure, strokes, aneurysm, etc. after taking a vaccine shot. It'd be better to actually make detailed statistics available regarding number of hospitalizations for people of different age groups without any comorbidity, what the hospitalization rate is for people with certain common comorbidities, for certain common combinations of comorbidities, etc. MSDH started off doing this to an extent, at least to the extent the data allowed them I think. Not sure if they stopped because people stopped providing the data or if they stopped asking for it or if they decided to stop for another reason. There are also some charts they have failed to adjust over time, such as the percent of hospitalizations in each age group. Since th elderly have been getting vaccinated at higher rates, that chart doesn't really tell anything anymore. It' be more helpful to present that info in percent of positive cases that are hospitalized, put in ICU, etc.

[SheltonChoked]

Whether it's typical or not, it should be used in messaging as a counter to the anecdotal messages about people suffering heart failure, strokes, aneurysm, etc. after taking a vaccine shot. It'd be better to actually make detailed statistics available regarding number of hospitalizations for people of different age groups without any comorbidity, what the hospitalization rate is for people with certain common comorbidities, for certain common combinations of comorbidities, etc. MSDH started off doing this to an extent, at least to the extent the data allowed them I think. Not sure if they stopped because people stopped providing the data or if they stopped asking for it or if they decided to stop for another reason. There are also some charts they have failed to adjust over time, such as the percent of hospitalizations in each age group. Since th elderly have been getting vaccinated at higher rates, that chart doesn't really tell anything anymore. It' be more helpful to present that info in percent of positive cases that are hospitalized, put in ICU, etc.

I agree.

I like to think they stopped just because they are too busy with trying to help people to compile the data. But honestly, more info is better.

But anything to get the vaccination numbers up.

[Liverpooldawg]

So why In The hell should anyone believe fauci. He's be wrong, right, wrong, changed opinions 100 times but this guy who was wrong once is a dunce?? Just asking.

Because your guy WON'T change his mind when proven wrong. Fauci does, and that is the mark of a real scientist.

[SheltonChoked]

Because your guy WON'T change his mind when proven wrong. Fauci does, and that is the mark of a real scientist.

Too many Business degrees, or BA's in here. ( I hope anyone with a BScience would understand that sometimes, new information makes your hypothesis wrong, so you have to make a new hypothesis, and test that one)

For all of you that think Fauci is "changing his mind". The term you want to google is "Scientific Method"

[BeardoMSU]

Too many Business degrees, or BA's in here. ( I hope anyone with a BScience would understand that sometimes, new information makes your hypothesis wrong, so you have to make a new hypothesis, and test that one)

Lol, indeed.

I still remember the 10 page thread a couple years ago with several posters arguing with me that the Earth was 6,000 years old and no information I could provide on fossil records or geochemistry could convince them otherwise...

Just about any topic has the potential to turn into a shit show.

(I guess that makes this site fun?)

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[BeardoMSU]

Too many Business degrees, or BA's in here. ( I hope anyone with a BScience would understand that sometimes, new information makes your hypothesis wrong, so you have to make a new hypothesis, and test that one)

For all of you that think Fauci is "changing his mind". The term you want to google is "Scientific Method"

I will add though, that at least 1 or 2 of those that were arguing with me claimed to have engineering degrees...so believing things that defy logic, facts, or science is not a phenomenon reserved for business majors, lol.

[Dawgfan77]

I hope to god you are right.

Hi Bill

Looks like I called this one.