We are lucky to have mike leach

[preachermatt83]

Period. Regardless of wins and losses(wins will come. He will win as much as Mullen did). But regardless of that. Just to have a character of his kind as our head football coach. I love it.

[shoeless joe]

I like leach. I just prefer a different style of football. But if he can win here I’ll be happy with it.

[99jc]

I really believe he will win here. just needs his type qb and wide receivers.

[OLJWales]

Period. Regardless of wins and losses(wins will come. He will win as much as Mullen did). But regardless of that. Just to have a character of his kind as our head football coach. I love it.

what about all his cussin' Preach? LOL

[viverlibre]

Period. Regardless of wins and losses(wins will come. He will win as much as Mullen did). But regardless of that. Just to have a character of his kind as our head football coach. I love it.

We'll be dang lucky if he wins as much as *******. I'm afraid those were the glory years of MSU football, if he had just stayed one more year, what could have been...

[OLJWales]

We'll be dang lucky if he wins as much as *******. I'm afraid those were the glory years of MSU football, if he had just stayed one more year, what could have been...

Loser Mentality

[Todd4State]

We'll be dang lucky if he wins as much as *******. I'm afraid those were the glory years of MSU football, if he had just stayed one more year, what could have been...

Jackie was better than Dan from 1991-2000.

[Todd4State]

I think IF we can hit on some JUCO offensive linemen and keep Walley for his senior year 2023 could be VERY good for us.

[Jarius]

I like leach. I just prefer a different style of football. But if he can win here I’ll be happy with it.

MSU has played the most boring style of football imaginable for 100 years until we hired Dan Mullen (and even that was not the most exciting brand of football). If we are going to go 8-4 this is a much more enjoyable way to do it IMO.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

We'll be dang lucky if he wins as much as *******. I'm afraid those were the glory years of MSU football, if he had just stayed one more year, what could have been...

If he stayed another year we'd have gone 10-2 at best and shat the bed in the bowl game ala 2014. Mullen was not a big game coach, he was not good at getting the teams' head right if they had a modicum of success, he was not going to adapt the O and power spread run attack doesn't work vs elite front 7s. Remember, we only took Bama to the wire in '17 because they started 3rd stringers due to injuries. We never, not once, have been able to run it on them.

And for all his "winning", he had a .600 win % here. he averaged less than 7 wins a year, and never had an upset of a team that was still ranked high at the end f the year (ie he only "upset" overrated teams)

[OLJWales]

Jackie was better than Dan from 1991-2000.

Dan had a much tougher row to hoe.

[Maroonthirteen]

I just can't take the guy seriously. I didn't before he got here btw.

Hope he kicks ass and proves he is a great football coach.

[Maroonthirteen]

You listen to Out of Bounds.

We played the same style of football as 99% of the country prior to Leach.

[Jarius]

Dan had a much tougher row to hoe.

No he didn’t. He had a tougher road to win the west but he had the easiest path to bowl games in the history of MSU athletics. When Jackie coached, USM and that conference was closer to us budget wise and we actually lost recruits to them. Our facilities were dog shit at that time. Mullen didn’t have to deal with that. He also had about 40 more bowl games available to keep the bowl streak alive. Jackie had a team in 97 that competed for the SEC West for half the season, won 7 games in an 11 game schedule, and did not make a bowl game. That would never happen today or when Mullen was here. He rode 4 cupcake nonconference games and a shitty OM/Kentucky team to a 6-6 (or 5-7 in 1 year) bowl game 3 times 9 years. None of those would have been bowl teams in Jackie’s time and obviously his 5-7 09 team would not have been a bowl team either. He would have basically made a bowl game every other year if he coached in Jackie’s era even with all of the advantages he had to get there.

[OLJWales]

I just can't take the guy seriously. I didn't before he got here btw.

Hope he kicks ass and proves he is a great football coach.

I've talked to a lot of Tech fans living in fort worth. Never met one who liked his departure. Shotgun posted some stats a while back showing crootin stats compared to on field success. The guy is gonna win here.

[Cowbell]

I've talked to a lot of Tech fans living in fort worth. Never met one who liked his departure. Shotgun posted some stats a while back showing crootin stats compared to on field success. The guy is gonna win here.
Yes every serious Tech fan is now an MSU fan

[FriarsPoint]

Yes every serious Tech fan is now an MSU fan

Absolutely amazes me they ran him off. He was a perfect fit for that school, that state, and that conference.

[R2Dawg]

Jackie was better than Dan from 1991-2000.

Jackie was dominant in that span, as good as ever at MSU.

[EdwardDrayton]

Will wait to anoint him when he?s actually achieved something.

[HoopsDawg]

I hope we are more entertaining this year than last year bc that's all we can hope for.

[viverlibre]

Jackie was better than Dan from 1991-2000.

I love Jackie Wayne, but he didn't have any where near the row to hoe that Mullen did.

[Captain Falcon]

Jackie was better than Dan from 1991-2000.

I feel like this is just something people say because they still aren't over Dan leaving/how he left. Jackie had nowhere near the level of consistency that Dan had. Plus I don't know how you have the Jackie Sherrill discussion and just omit 2001-2003. The same over-dependence on JUCO kids that was a huge part of our success in the late 90's helped kill the program in the early 2000's.

As others have said, the strength of the league is the main difference between the two eras. Jackie won the West with a team that finished 8-5 overall, and the '99 team that went 10-2 did so with only one win against a team that finished over .500.

[OLJWales]

Will wait to anoint him when he?s actually achieved something.

Bull. Shit. He's a Proven HC. What a crap sandwich of a post all things considered. You prolly said the same shit about Lemonis a month ago.

[NCMSTFAN]

I was never the biggest Leach fan before he got here, but I still hope he can get us back on track.. its hard to compare him to Mullen though, whether you like him or not Mullen brought our program to unseen national relevance, the entire country new about Mississippi State football

[DownwardDawg]

We'll be dang lucky if he wins as much as *******. I'm afraid those were the glory years of MSU football, if he had just stayed one more year, what could have been...

Danny boy peaked out while he was here. He was never gonna do any better. Hopefully Leach can take us to that next level.

[confucius say]

If he stayed another year we'd have gone 10-2 at best and shat the bed in the bowl game ala 2014. Mullen was not a big game coach, he was not good at getting the teams' head right if they had a modicum of success, he was not going to adapt the O and power spread run attack doesn't work vs elite front 7s. Remember, we only took Bama to the wire in '17 because they started 3rd stringers due to injuries. We never, not once, have been able to run it on them.

And for all his "winning", he had a .600 win % here. he averaged less than 7 wins a year, and never had an upset of a team that was still ranked high at the end f the year (ie he only "upset" overrated teams)

He had 64 regular season wins in 9 seasons. That's over 7 per year

[OLJWales]

1. CWS Champions
2. Final 4 in hoops
3. 5 weeks at # 1 in football (flip 2 & 3?)
4. JWS / ATL

[R2Dawg]

Bull. Shit. He's a Proven HC. What a crap sandwich of a post all things considered. You prolly said the same shit about Lemonis a month ago.

Easy OLJ, CML has to prove it here, now in SEC. Moorhead was a successful coach elsewhere too.

I think he can but just because you were successful in another era, doesn't mean it translates to now. Not sure Bear Bryant wouldn't be dominant today either. Those that adapt win long term. Even Saban adapted, if not Saban would be less a couple NC right now.

Can CML adjust is the question. He has 20 years of saying he won't or can't. This is what I want to see this year. Adjust and you win. Are we lucky, guess we will see.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We'll know if he's good for us after this season.

[OLJWales]

We'll know if he's good for us after this season.

do you think he's gonna be good for us? odds?

[FriarsPoint]

do you think he's gonna be good for us? odds?

IMO, less than 50/50.

[Maverick91]

IMO, less than 50/50.

what makes you say that?

[FriarsPoint]

what makes you say that?

This is a LOS league. As everyone witnessed last year, one dimension in this league leads to ass whippings. The defensive talent here is better than anything Leach has ever faced. Ever.

Without keeping someone off balance, you?re begging to get the shit kicked out of you. And a stubborn belief ?in the system? without a willingness to change slightly or adapt will assure failure.

[Maverick91]

This is a LOS league. As everyone witnessed last year, one dimension in this league leads to ass whippings. The defensive talent here is better than anything Leach has ever faced. Ever.

Without keeping someone off balance, you?re begging to get the shit kicked out of you. And a stubborn belief ?in the system? without a willingness to change slightly or adapt will assure failure.

I wont disagree. It is irritating to thing of how close we were last year to having won 7 games. Hears to hoping and praying it works out, and he adapts where he needs to.

[OLJWales]

This is a LOS league. As everyone witnessed last year, one dimension in this league leads to ass whippings. The defensive talent here is better than anything Leach has ever faced. Ever.

Without keeping someone off balance, you?re begging to get the shit kicked out of you. And a stubborn belief ?in the system? without a willingness to change slightly or adapt will assure failure.

I refuse to believe he doesn't know this. Like IYOK said, this year will be telling. I'm confident he'll make us happy.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

do you think he's gonna be good for us? odds?

Let me see what his offense looks like this season. I'm cautiously optimistic but can admit I'm not a fan of the run/pass ratio in the 1st 9 games. I'd prefer 60/40 pass/run but could live with 65/35. He was 75-80/25-20 1st 9 games. That won't fly consistently.

[TrapGame]

Y'all can't blame Leach for Costello throwing into triple coverage and having the field vision of a three day drunk. There were plenty of times Costello should have handed the ball off. Even Leach said so in some of his weekly pressers. Will started getting the hang of the offense just as the season was winding down. He knew when he should be handing the ball off and passing it. Leach isn't against running the ball. He's not like Croom who crawled up Wes Carrol's ass for pulling the ball and throwing a touchdown. It was supposed to be a run play. Don't change the play.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Y'all can't blame Leach for Costello throwing into triple coverage and having the field vision of a three day drunk. There were plenty of times Costello should have handed the ball off. Even Leach said so in some of his weekly pressers. Will started getting the hang of the offense just as the season was winding down. He knew when he should be handing the ball off and passing it. Leach isn't against running the ball. He's not like Croom who crawled up Wes Carrol's ass for pulling the ball and throwing a touchdown. It was supposed to be a run play. Don't change the play.

Well we should see significant improvement. Leach offense doesn't have to be at it's peak this year. What it does need to be is able to move the ball up & down the field pretty easily against OM, Arky, KY, Vandy, & NC St. It needs to be solid & not shut down against A&M, LSU, & Auburn. If the offense does that pretty much everyone will be satisfied with Year 2. Then the expectations really rise Year 3 for a potent offense at all times.

[TrapGame]

Well we should see significant improvement. Leach offense doesn't have to be at it's peak this year. What it does need to be is able to move the ball up & down the field pretty easily against OM, Arky, KY, Vandy, & NC St. It needs to be solid & not shut down against A&M, LSU, & Auburn. If the offense does that pretty much everyone will be satisfied with Year 2. Then the expectations really rise Year 3 for a potent offense at all times.

There was light at the end of the tunnel last season. I'm not expecting us to beat the shit out of Bama and make Saban retire. I do think we see better decision making with the ball.

[Captain Falcon]

We were a really young team on offense last year (especially after Kylin and KJ had their unravelings), and for whatever reason that lack of experience doesn't get talked about much when discussing some of our struggles.

Leading passer - true freshman
Leading rusher - true freshman
Leading receiver (catches) - true freshman
Leading receiver (yards) - true freshman
Three first year starters on the OL, all of which were freshmen or sophomores

That's not even mentioning it being Year 1 of a big philosophical shift from what our program had been doing for years, and doing all of that with no spring practice and very limited depth.

I personally believe it will be difficult for us to NOT be better this year. We are far better equipped for this season than we were a year ago, at least offensively. There was a time last season about mid-year when Kylin was gone, KJ was a bust, and Walley had not found his groove yet, and things were looking very bleak. It was pretty evident from the Georgia game on that we had some pieces to work with for the future, even in some games we ended up losing.

[OLJWales]

We were a really young team on offense last year (especially after Kylin and KJ had their unravelings), and for whatever reason that lack of experience doesn't get talked about much when discussing some of our struggles.

Leading passer - true freshman
Leading rusher - true freshman
Leading receiver (catches) - true freshman
Leading receiver (yards) - true freshman
Three first year starters on the OL, all of which were freshmen or sophomores

That's not even mentioning it being Year 1 of a big philosophical shift from what our program had been doing for years, and doing all of that with no spring practice and very limited depth.

I personally believe it will be difficult for us to NOT be better this year. We are far better equipped for this season than we were a year ago, at least offensively. There was a time last season about mid-year when Kylin was gone, KJ was a bust, and Walley had not found his groove yet, and things were looking very bleak. It was pretty evident from the Georgia game on that we had some pieces to work with for the future, even in some games we ended up losing.

good one Captain, thank you sir.

[OLJWales]

Let me see what his offense looks like this season. I'm cautiously optimistic but can admit I'm not a fan of the run/pass ratio in the 1st 9 games. I'd prefer 60/40 pass/run but could live with 65/35. He was 75-80/25-20 1st 9 games. That won't fly consistently.

Thank you IYOK. Wouldn't you say towards the end of the season he was "getting it"? Me personally, I'm fired up for Sept.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Thank you IYOK. Wouldn't you say towards the end of the season he was "getting it"? Me personally, I'm fired up for Sept.

It was definitely better. The bowl game was very clunky on offense. Tulu bailed us out that game on special teams. The Missouri game was very good. Need that type of output every game against mis tier opponents.

[Maverick91]

It was definitely better. The bowl game was very clunky on offense. Tulu bailed us out that game on special teams. The Missouri game was very good. Need that type of output every game against mis tier opponents.

I think the lack or experience and depth are the reasons for this.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

JoeMo broke us and pissed away almost every thing Mullen had built.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I think the lack or experience and depth are the reasons for this.

We hope so.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

JoeMo broke us and pissed away almost every thing Mullen had built.

We like to say that but he still won 14 games, 2 bowls, & 2 egg bowl wins. Let's not act like he sent us back to the Croom era. People just didn't like him but like Leach so he's not getting much flack for last season.

[Maverick91]

We like to say that but he still won 14 games, 2 bowls, & 2 egg bowl wins. Let's not act like he sent us back to the Croom era. People just didn't like him but like Leach so he's not getting much flack for last season.

No he didn't send us back, but, he severely hurt the locker room dynamic. If the play on the field is soft, the locker room and practices are soft.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

No he didn't send us back, but, he severely hurt the locker room dynamic. If the play on the field is soft, the locker room and practices are soft.

That's also not a 2-3yr repair to fix.

[TrapGame]

No he didn't send us back, but, he severely hurt the locker room dynamic. If the play on the field is soft, the locker room and practices are soft.

Yeah, having K State with a first year head coach come to Starkville in MS heat and humidity and stomp our asses like a MAC team was too much for me. K State was in far better playing shape than we were.

[RougeDawg]

We were a really young team on offense last year (especially after Kylin and KJ had their unravelings), and for whatever reason that lack of experience doesn't get talked about much when discussing some of our struggles.

Leading passer - true freshman
Leading rusher - true freshman
Leading receiver (catches) - true freshman
Leading receiver (yards) - true freshman
Three first year starters on the OL, all of which were freshmen or sophomores

That's not even mentioning it being Year 1 of a big philosophical shift from what our program had been doing for years, and doing all of that with no spring practice and very limited depth.

I personally believe it will be difficult for us to NOT be better this year. We are far better equipped for this season than we were a year ago, at least offensively. There was a time last season about mid-year when Kylin was gone, KJ was a bust, and Walley had not found his groove yet, and things were looking very bleak. It was pretty evident from the Georgia game on that we had some pieces to work with for the future, even in some games we ended up losing.

This all day. You could even see some glimpses early in the season, but the timing and familiarity of the decision making just wasn?t there. Repetition was needed and by the end of the year they finally got the reps that they would have gotten in a spring practice period and summer workouts.

I fully expect to see a night and day transition for the first month of the season as opposed to last year. I still have a difficult time wrapping my head around the lsu game. Almost seemed like an outlier for both teams.

[Dawg2003]

I'm not sure how much Leach will win or how well he'll recruit, but he does give us more national recognition. I have to thank Cohen for that if nothing else.

[preachermatt83]

Well we should see significant improvement. Leach offense doesn't have to be at it's peak this year. What it does need to be is able to move the ball up & down the field pretty easily against OM, Arky, KY, Vandy, & NC St. It needs to be solid & not shut down against A&M, LSU, & Auburn. If the offense does that pretty much everyone will be satisfied with Year 2. Then the expectations really rise Year 3 for a potent offense at all times.
Correct

[preachermatt83]

We were a really young team on offense last year (especially after Kylin and KJ had their unravelings), and for whatever reason that lack of experience doesn't get talked about much when discussing some of our struggles.

Leading passer - true freshman
Leading rusher - true freshman
Leading receiver (catches) - true freshman
Leading receiver (yards) - true freshman
Three first year starters on the OL, all of which were freshmen or sophomores

That's not even mentioning it being Year 1 of a big philosophical shift from what our program had been doing for years, and doing all of that with no spring practice and very limited depth.

I personally believe it will be difficult for us to NOT be better this year. We are far better equipped for this season than we were a year ago, at least offensively. There was a time last season about mid-year when Kylin was gone, KJ was a bust, and Walley had not found his groove yet, and things were looking very bleak. It was pretty evident from the Georgia game on that we had some pieces to work with for the future, even in some games we ended up losing.

We were so young. And are again this year. But should be a little better. Next year we will be very very dangerous

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

what about all his cussin' Preach? LOL

I know you are joking but where exactly in the Bible does it say not to cuss? I mean our cuss words didn't even exist in Bible times.

[Maverick91]

I know you are joking but where exactly in the Bible does it say not to cuss? I mean our cuss words didn't even exist in Bible times.

There are a lot of verses that speak of pure speech. but the below is kinda specific to swear words.

James 3:10
From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.

[Cowbell]

There are a lot of verses that speak of pure speech. but the below is kinda specific to swear words.

James 3:10
From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.

Nice answer

[CaptainObvious]

Improvements may not translate to many more wins, especially in conference. But if the offense does bump up to 27-28 points per game, State will win more than lose. But you can?t have that average come from 45 against La Tech and 10 against LSU or Auburn.

I still think 7 will probably be the ceiling and 5 the floor and that is an improvement record-wise. But winning only 5 or 6 while averaging 20-21 points a game is not improvement. It would be a reflection of ?scheduling?.

[was21]

I don't particularly care for his politics or his offense. If he wins, I still won't care for it...sorry.

[was21]

I agree...wish he would have stayed there.

[was21]

That's like thanking Templeton for hiring Croooms...national attention

[Catfish]

That's like thanking Templeton for hiring Croooms...national attention

So you're upset we hired Leach?

[Maroonthirteen]

So you're upset we hired Leach?

Well.... he needs to have a winning season and beat OM. Or he needs new funnier jokes.

[Catfish]

Well.... he needs to have a winning season and beat OM. Or he needs new funnier jokes.

I think I got it. It's about the jokes, and you're right, they need to be funnier.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

There are a lot of verses that speak of pure speech. but the below is kinda specific to swear words.

James 3:10
From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.

Realize "curse" in the context of "bless"- saying "S--t" when you stub your toe isn't the opposite of a blessing. He's saying don't curse, as in "Damn you and your family to hell!". James' point is that as Christians, we shouldn't wish both good and evil on others, but only good. Has nothing to do with generalized cursing.

Even Jesus literally cursed a fig tree, and called the Pharisees a "brood of Vipers", which sounds a lot like the modern "son of a b-tch", does it not? But it was called for and was the truth, and so wasn't a sin, but was God's will. Words aren't the problem, it's the intent behind them that makes the sin.

[Cowbell]

I don't particularly care for his politics or his offense. If he wins, I still won't care for it...sorry.

I don't get "his politics". He's not really political.

[dawgday166]

We were a really young team on offense last year (especially after Kylin and KJ had their unravelings), and for whatever reason that lack of experience doesn't get talked about much when discussing some of our struggles.

Leading passer - true freshman
Leading rusher - true freshman
Leading receiver (catches) - true freshman
Leading receiver (yards) - true freshman
Three first year starters on the OL, all of which were freshmen or sophomores

That's not even mentioning it being Year 1 of a big philosophical shift from what our program had been doing for years, and doing all of that with no spring practice and very limited depth.

I personally believe it will be difficult for us to NOT be better this year. We are far better equipped for this season than we were a year ago, at least offensively. There was a time last season about mid-year when Kylin was gone, KJ was a bust, and Walley had not found his groove yet, and things were looking very bleak. It was pretty evident from the Georgia game on that we had some pieces to work with for the future, even in some games we ended up losing.

Naw man ... You don't get it. If Bama had a bunch of true freshmen leading their offense in Saban's 1st year with no spring practice, they'd be going out and scoring 30 a game. Just go back to 2008 and check it out.

[R2Dawg]

Y'all can't blame Leach for Costello throwing into triple coverage and having the field vision of a three day drunk. There were plenty of times Costello should have handed the ball off. Even Leach said so in some of his weekly pressers. Will started getting the hang of the offense just as the season was winding down. He knew when he should be handing the ball off and passing it. Leach isn't against running the ball. He's not like Croom who crawled up Wes Carrol's ass for pulling the ball and throwing a touchdown. It was supposed to be a run play. Don't change the play.

What? Leach is the one coaching him on what to do? No player does exactly what the coach teaches but most of the time he does or he sits. Yeah, we can blame Leach for last year. Good grief. Why are we paying him 5mil a year if he isn't even responsible?

[TrapGame]

What? Leach is the one coaching him on what to do? No player does exactly what the coach teaches but most of the time he does or he sits. Yeah, we can blame Leach for last year. Good grief. Why are we paying him 5mil a year if he isn't even responsible?

Have you listened to a single Monday press conference from the man? Jesus. His QBs have a lot of control in this offense. It finally clicked for Will late in the season. And blame Leach for a ****ed up partial season and no spring practice? C'mon mane. And how many times were we in the red zone and turned it over? I lost ****ing count.

[dawgday166]

What? Leach is the one coaching him on what to do? No player does exactly what the coach teaches but most of the time he does or he sits. Yeah, we can blame Leach for last year. Good grief. Why are we paying him 5mil a year if he isn't even responsible?

Didn't Costello sit? Maybe a game or so late cause his backup was a true freshman but Leach did sit him down.

[R2Dawg]

Have you listened to a single Monday press conference from the man? Jesus. His QBs have a lot of control in this offense. It finally clicked for Will late in the season. And blame Leach for a ****ed up partial season and no spring practice? C'mon mane. And how many times were we in the red zone and turned it over? I lost ****ing count.

Do you watch a single game? I didn't say Leach should have won 10 last year but he is responsible. It is his O, his team, his plays, period. Do we pay the QB 5mil a year to coach and make all the football decisions that make us win or lose? Use your logic, then if Leach wins 10 this year he gets no credit. You can't have it both ways.

[HailState2008]

Lol

[TrapGame]

Do you watch a single game? I didn't say Leach should have won 10 last year but he is responsible. It is his O, his team, his plays, period. Do we pay the QB 5mil a year to coach and make all the football decisions that make us win or lose? Use your logic, then if Leach wins 10 this year he gets no credit. You can't have it both ways.

It was year one in a new offense with a pandemic straight jacket. We had a gimpy QB and a diva RB for half the season. Leach was doing what he could with what he had. If we look like dog shit this season I'll be right there with you.

[R2Dawg]

It was year one in a new offense with a pandemic straight jacket. We had a gimpy QB and a diva RB for half the season. Leach was doing what he could with what he had. If we look like dog shit this season I'll be right there with you.

Yeah I agree. I'm just like many others. Hoping Leach figures it out. I want MSU to win but year one looked way too stubborn with his O. Last two games gave me some hope. We'll know in first 2-3 weeks this year, where he is.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

If anyone fits the description of a state coach it?s leach. It?s mind boggling how he just meshed as if he had been involved with the program for many years.

[Maverick91]

If anyone fits the description of a state coach it?s leach. It?s mind boggling how he just meshed as if he had been involved with the program for many years.

Can you elaborate?