Washington Football Club name update

[Irondawg]

These guys move as fast as other things in Washington apparently. I had kind of forgotten that this was still lingering out there:


Washington Football Team President Jason Wright ruled out the 'Warriors' as an option for a new nickname and logo.
"We made it a priority to run an inclusive process to listen to all voices," Wright wrote in a briefing via the team's website. "This engagement demonstrated to us a consensus that moving forward with no ties to Native American imagery is the right path. Feedback from across communities we engaged clearly revealed deep-seated discomfort around Warriors, with the clear acknowledgment that it too closely aligns with Native American themes. To that end, we will choose an identity that unequivocally departs from any use of or approximate linkage to Native American imagery." Nonetheless, the organization is reportedly "down to a short list of final names" that will eventually be revealed once a single moniker is settled on.

[Choctaw Dawg]

Unpopular opinion: they should just keep Washington Football Team and be done with it.

[msstate7]

Washington Insurrections

[DownwardDawg]

What strange times we're living in these days.

[FISHDAWG]

how about the Washington Cavalry **

[Lord McBuckethead]

I like Washington Football Team as their name. I would also go with Sentinels.

[NWADAWG]

These guys move as fast as other things in Washington apparently. I had kind of forgotten that this was still lingering out there:


Washington Football Team President Jason Wright ruled out the 'Warriors' as an option for a new nickname and logo.
"We made it a priority to run an inclusive process to listen to all voices," Wright wrote in a briefing via the team's website. "This engagement demonstrated to us a consensus that moving forward with no ties to Native American imagery is the right path. Feedback from across communities we engaged clearly revealed deep-seated discomfort around Warriors, with the clear acknowledgment that it too closely aligns with Native American themes. To that end, we will choose an identity that unequivocally departs from any use of or approximate linkage to Native American imagery." Nonetheless, the organization is reportedly "down to a short list of final names" that will eventually be revealed once a single moniker is settled on.

Here are some suggestions for a DC based team:

Freeloaders
Crooks
Swindlers
Spies
Collaborators
Traitors
Recreants
Cowards
Softies
Sewer Rats.......

I'll stop now.

[SteelCurtain74]

Unpopular opinion: they should just keep Washington Football Team and be done with it.

I don't think that opinion is as unpopular as you may think.

[Coach34]

Golden State promised to protest is why they didn’t use that one

[Lord McBuckethead]

Here are some suggestions for a DC based team:

Freeloaders
Crooks
Swindlers
Spies
Collaborators
Traitors
Recreants
Cowards
Softies
Sewer Rats.......

I'll stop now.

You have a point, from each persons point of view all people can agree with this one. None of that is helpful though.
"Liberty" would be a good name.
"Minutemen" would be better if it were in Massachussetts
"Federalist"
"Statesmen"
"Vangaurdsmen"

[Lord McBuckethead]

I wish the Army of the Potomac had a crafty nickname. That would be a great pull from history.

[parabrave]

I wish the Army of the Potomac had a crafty nickname. That would be a great pull from history.

Well alot of them do live in Northern Virginia.

[ZedFedder]

Washington Gender Neutrals

[CaptainObvious]

Washington Carpetbaggers has a nice ring to it.

Washington ?Army of the Northern Aggressors? would work too.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Here are some suggestions for a DC based team:

Freeloaders
Crooks
Swindlers
Spies
Collaborators
Traitors
Recreants
Cowards
Softies
Sewer Rats.......

I'll stop now.

You forgot the Pu**IES

[BeardoMSU]

You have a point, from each persons point of view all people can agree with this one. None of that is helpful though.
"Liberty" would be a good name.
"Minutemen" would be better if it were in Massachussetts
"Federalist"
"Statesmen"
"Vangaurdsmen"

Some good ones here. Plenty of patriotic nicknames could apply to a DC based sports team.

[Rick Danko]

Washington Soy Boy Beta Cucks has a nice ring to it?.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The Washington Socialists

[Bothrops]

Here are some suggestions for a DC based team:

Freeloaders
Crooks
Swindlers
Spies
Collaborators
Traitors
Recreants
Cowards
Softies
Sewer Rats.......

I'll stop now.

No....keep going, I couldn't argue against any of those.

[BiscuitEater]

I, personally, don't see one iota of difference between 'Redskins' and 'Warriors!'

I'm part 'Native American' and don't like the Washington Football team but have never had an issue with 'Redskins!'

[starkvegasdawg]

Washington Wokes

[NCDawg]

Washington Swamp Dwellers

[Indndawg]

The Washington Socialists

Kinda of fond of the Washington/SF Pelosis

[Dawgology]

It?s interesting how there is a vocal contingent fighting to ?end repression? by white washing everything. I mean?the people fighting for representation of minorities are actively fighting to remove the name and likeness of minorities from any product. Hahahaahah!!?

[BeardoMSU]

No....keep going, I couldn't argue against any of those.

The Washington "Stop the Steal's"

The Washington "Mike Pence wasn't strong enough's"

The Washington "Coup d'etat's"

The Washington "Massive Dump's"

The Washington "Back the Blue's ('cept for Capitol Police)"

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[BeardoMSU]

I, personally, don't see one iota of difference between 'Redskins' and 'Warriors!'

I'm part 'Native American' and don't like the Washington Football team but have never had an issue with 'Redskins!'

"I mean, if we're talkin' slurs...there are obviously more black people per capital in DC than Native Americans, so why not the Washington N-Words?"

- some lunatic, probably.***

[OLJWales]

I, personally, don't see one iota of difference between 'Redskins' and 'Warriors!'

I'm part 'Native American' and don't like the Washington Football team but have never had an issue with 'Redskins!'

Sanity.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Washington Cabal

[OLJWales]

Wokes.

[schddog72]

The Washington Socialists

Washington (no) Gonads . . . .

[ImissCityBagel]

Unpopular opinion: they should just keep Washington Football Team and be done with it.

I actually like that. It sounds classic.

[BeardoMSU]

I actually like that. It sounds classic.

Agreed. It's grown on me, as well.

Also, re: City Bagel: Red-pepper parmesan bagel, toasted, with carrot-walnut-raisin-cream cheese. Perfection.

[ShotgunDawg]

How about Savages or Engines?

[DownwardDawg]

Washington Wokes

I love this one!!!

[DownwardDawg]

Washington Honkies
Washington crackers

I would not be offended one bit by either of those.

[Red Clay Hills]

I, personally, don't see one iota of difference between 'Redskins' and 'Warriors!'

I'm part 'Native American' and don't like the Washington Football team but have never had an issue with 'Redskins!'

Uncle TomTom ... ***

[OLJWales]

This is all due to how bad we 17'd over the Indians and for whatever reason many still live on reservations. There were some bad assed chiefs and warriors back in the day who fought valiantly and died bravely on the battle field.

If people of Irish decent were 17'd over as bad as the Indians, ND would be pressured into dropping their mascot.

No sports team adopts their name to demean. The Redskin name was to honor their courage while fighting for their land. It's really simple and quite silly that the white virtue signalers started all of this TOTAL BULLSHIT.

[BeardoMSU]

This is all due to how bad we 17'd over the Indians and for whatever reason many still live on reservations. There were some bad assed chiefs and warriors back in the day who fought valiantly and died bravely on the battle field.

If people of Irish decent were 17'd over as bad as the Indians, ND would be pressured into dropping their mascot.

No sports team adopts their name to demean. The Redskin name was to honor their courage while fighting for their land. It's really simple and quite silly that the white virtue signalers started all of this TOTAL BULLSHIT.

I agree with you mostly (surprise, lol), but names like Warriors, Braves, Chiefs, etc. are very different than Redskin. To your point, the formers do mostly denote honor and a positive legacy. Redskin, on the other hand was a slur used to literally demean and reduce their humanity based on skin color, obviously with the goal of making it easier to kill them.

[OLJWales]

I agree with you mostly (surprise, lol), but names like Warriors, Braves, Chiefs, etc. are very different than Redskin. To your point, the formers do mostly denote honor and a positive legacy. Redskin, on the other hand was a slur used to literally demean and reduce their humanity based on skin color, obviously with the goal of making it easier to kill them.

good post and it has iron. Our cavalry back in the day used the term and you are correct as to the reason they used it. Back in the 50's, Dwight E formed "Operation Wet Back" to tackle the border. The last thing I would do if I met an Indian would be to call him a redskin. But The Redskins had become so ingrained into the casual football fan's mind, nobody ever gave it much thought until white virtue signalers decided to go woke and threaten bidnesses with boycots and law suits. Before that, there were no public protests or what not. Shouldn't go 'round trying to fix what ain't broke hiding under the false banner of oppression.

[ImissCityBagel]

Agreed. It's grown on me, as well.

Also, re: City Bagel: Red-pepper parmesan bagel, toasted, with carrot-walnut-raisin-cream cheese. Perfection.

I used to get the breakfast red pepper parmesan (their objectively best bagel) and the asiago cheese breakfast bagel. Then I would put Cholula on top...mmmm. Also, I kind of liked that your drink was a single can of coke from the freezer. It made you savor it.

Whatever their energy bars were too. A got one and one for the road if I wanted to indulge.

Miss that place. But hey! We have Bojangles now!

[ImissCityBagel]

Maybe change "Team" to "Club." The Washington Football Club sounds like it has a hundred years of tradition.....that it may or may not actually have.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Maybe change "Team" to "Club." The Washington Football Club sounds like it has a hundred years of tradition.....that it may or may not actually have.

Agreed. Team seems like a place holder, Club sounds more permanent.

[Quaoarsking]

good post and it has iron. Our cavalry back in the day used the term and you are correct as to the reason they used it. Back in the 50's, Dwight E formed "Operation Wet Back" to tackle the border. The last thing I would do if I met an Indian would be to call him a redskin. But The Redskins had become so ingrained into the casual football fan's mind, nobody ever gave it much thought until white virtue signalers decided to go woke and threaten bidnesses with boycots and law suits. Before that, there were no public protests or what not. Shouldn't go 'round trying to fix what ain't broke hiding under the false banner of oppression.

I definitely remember the name being discussed in the 90s, but no enough people really cared about what Indian/Native American activists thought until the 10s really.

It's definitely false that "nobody gave it much thought," just not as many decades ago as do now.

[SteelCurtain74]

I definitely remember the name being discussed in the 90s, but no enough people really cared about what Indian/Native American activists thought until the 10s really.

It's definitely false that "nobody gave it much thought," just not as many decades ago as do now.

In 2013 Snyder said in an interview that he would never change the name. He even said something to the effect that you could put the word never in all caps. It wasn't until Fed Ex, Nike and Pepsi decided to show support for a name change that the team decided to do a "thorough review " of the name. Nike even went so far as take all Redskins items off their website.

[OLJWales]

In 2013 Snyder said in an interview that he would never change the name. He even said something to the effect that you could put the word never in all caps. It wasn't until Fed Ex, Nike and Pepsi decided to show support for a name change that the team decided to do a "thorough review " of the name. Nike even went so far as take all Redskins items off their website.

Left Winged / Commie Eco Terror. I wonder if The Nations got any extra casino licenses outta the deal. Did Snyder get so much as a thank you card from any tribes?

[SteelCurtain74]

Left Winged / Commie Eco Terror. I wonder if The Nations got any extra casino licenses outta the deal. Did Snyder get so much as a thank you card from any tribes?

As a Steelers fan I don't care what Washington calls its team. I do have an issue with these corporate interests flexing their muscle when it's convenient to do so. Fed Ex willingly entered into an agreement with the Redskins in 1999 which included renaming the stadium Fed Ex Field. Nike has been selling Redskins merchandise since 2012. Pepsi has been the exclusive drink and snack provider for the Redskins since 2017. At no time, to my recollection, did any of these corporations raise a concern about the name until last year when it was politically convenient to do so.

[OLJWales]

As a Steelers fan I don't care what Washington calls its team. I do have an issue with these corporate interests flexing their muscle when it's convenient to do so. Fed Ex willingly entered into an agreement with the Redskins in 1999 which included renaming the stadium Fed Ex Field. Nike has been selling Redskins merchandise since 2012. Pepsi has been the exclusive drink and snack provider for the Redskins since 2017. At no time, to my recollection, did any of these corporations raise a concern about the name until last year when it was politically convenient to do so.

Nailed it. 17 the Redskin fans who are pissed and heartbroken (who pay the bills) and I say that as a Cowboy / Saints fan. The Left's War on Democracy, supply & demand and the truth has hit an unprecendated high. The Nazis had a cancel culture too, does anyone else have other examples?

[BeardoMSU]

Nailed it. 17 the Redskin fans who are pissed and heartbroken (who pay the bills) and I say that as a Cowboy / Saints fan. The Left's War on Democracy, supply & demand and the truth has hit an unprecendated high. The Nazis had a cancel culture too, does anyone else have other examples?

C'mon, dude. Private companies making decisions about who they want to support, what they want to endorse, what images they want representing them, etc., is literally the opposite of communism (to your previous post). The market will decide whether those decisions are bad ones or not (they obviously feel confident that the market will side with them, and I agree) and they'll either keep on keepin' on, or have to adjust. This is nothing new.

Also, "cancel culture"/boycotting isn't only a phenomenon of the "left". Some examples...

Remember the hoopla around the Dixie Chicks criticizing W? Trump constantly tweeted to his minions marching orders on which company they should boycott. How about John Lennon's comment on Jesus? People were literally bulldozing Beatles records (I bet those same folks wish they had those original vinyl's back, lol). Plenty of right wingers actively boycotted Nike when they sponsored Kap. I remember plenty of evangelicals up in arms about Harry Potter and its "satanic witchcraft", lol. It goes on and on.

As Bill Burr said "People give a **** about what they give a **** about", lol. That obviously applies to all things commercial, social, musical, cultural, etc. No one is innocent in this game.

[OLJWales]

C'mon, dude. Private companies making decisions about who they want to support, what they want to endorse, what images they want representing them, etc., is literally the opposite of communism (to your previous post). The market will decide whether those decisions are bad ones or not (they obviously feel confident that the market will side with them, and I agree) and they'll either keep on keepin' on, or have to adjust. This is nothing new.

Also, "cancel culture"/boycotting isn't only a phenomenon of the "left". Some examples...

Remember the hoopla around the Dixie Chicks criticizing W? Trump constantly tweeted to his minions marching orders on which company they should boycott. How about John Lennon's comment on Jesus? People were literally bulldozing Beatles records (I bet those same folks wish they had those original vinyl's back, lol). Plenty of right wingers actively boycotted Nike when they sponsored Kap. I remember plenty of evangelicals up in arms about Harry Potter and its "satanic witchcraft", lol. It goes on and on.

As Bill Burr said "People give a **** about what they give a **** about", lol. That obviously applies to all things commercial, social, musical, cultural, etc. No one is innocent in this game.

What were the financial decisions that caused big bidness to attack the Skins? Were those decisons on the up and up? Wanna go just on blind faith? I prefer profit motives for advertising, you may have another take. "The Market" had Jack Squat to with this evil intent. These high rollers like Nike have so many other customers, they can swing their dicks around as they please.

17 the Dixie Chicks. They 17'd up on foreign soil and paid a price because their CUSTOMERS were pissed at what they did. The Skins were not 17ing with anyione; especially their FANS. It's called premeditation; there's a BIG difference.

There's a big difference between "Right Wingers" (i.e. individuals making personal decisions) vs Corporate Strong Armed Tacticts. Grass Roots vs the Establishment and shit.

[Quaoarsking]

Nailed it. 17 the Redskin fans who are pissed and heartbroken (who pay the bills) and I say that as a Cowboy / Saints fan. The Left's War on Democracy, supply & demand and the truth has hit an unprecendated high. The Nazis had a cancel culture too, does anyone else have other examples?

Imagine being so fragile that you're "heartbroken" over a football team changing its name... If anyone fits that description they need to reexamine their life.

[Quaoarsking]

What were the financial decisions that caused big bidness to attack the Skins? Were those decisons on the up and up? Wanna go just on blind faith? I prefer profit motives for advertising, you may have another take. "The Market" had Jack Squat to with this evil intent. These high rollers like Nike have so many other customers, they can swing their dicks around as they please.

17 the Dixie Chicks. They 17'd up on foreign soil and paid a price because their CUSTOMERS were pissed at what they did. The Skins were not 17ing with anyione; especially their FANS. It's called premeditation; there's a BIG difference.

There's a big difference between "Right Wingers" (i.e. individuals making personal decisions) vs Corporate Strong Armed Tacticts. Grass Roots vs the Establishment and shit.

Just to be clear, you're saying that only fans of the Dixie Chicks were mad at them, not non-fans? And that only non-fans of the Washington Football Team wanted to change the name, no fans?

[OLJWales]

Imagine being so fragile that you're "heartbroken" over a football team changing its name... If anyone fits that description they need to reexamine their life.

there is heart broken in the real sense and one of a passionate fan. I think you know the difference.

[OLJWales]

Just to be clear, you're saying that only fans of the Dixie Chicks were mad at them, not non-fans? And that only non-fans of the Washington Football Team wanted to change the name, no fans?

what impact did the non fans of the Dixie Chicks have on their stupid on stage decision? Would like to see any polls / votes amongst the Skin's fan base as to how they thought about the attack / change. Do you not see the difference of a fanbase refusing to buy concert tickets and CD's like they used to vs Outside Corporate Influences who don't give a rat's ass about the fans / customers? CUSTOMERS making individual decisions vs OUTSIDERS making them.

[Quaoarsking]

what impact did the non fans of the Dixie Chicks have on their stupid on stage decision? Would like to see any polls / votes amongst the Skin's fan base as to how they thought about the attack / change. Do you not see the difference of a fanbase refusing to buy concert tickets and CD's like they used to vs Outside Corporate Influences who don't give a rat's ass about the fans / customers? CUSTOMERS making individual decisions vs OUTSIDERS making them.

Absolutely there was a huge number of people who participated in the Dixie Chicks' cancelation who weren't previously fans.

And lots of Washington fans support changing the name. And a lot oppose it, but it's not unanimous and it's not like a person who isn't a fan but supports changing it is "evil" or is trying to hurt those fans' feelings personally.

[OLJWales]

Absolutely there was a huge number of people who participated in the Dixie Chicks' cancelation who weren't previously fans.

And lots of Washington fans support changing the name. And a lot oppose it, but it's not unanimous and it's not like a person who isn't a fan but supports changing it is "evil" or is trying to hurt those fans' feelings personally.

None of the non fans participated in any damage to the Dixie Chicks. They just helped spread the news that was recieved by true Dixie Chick fans and THEY made decisions to any fall out on the DChicks brought on themselves.

Could you please describe "lots of Wash fans" who supported the change? was it a grass roots effort by the fan base or outside corporate influence that forced them to do so?

[SteelCurtain74]

The simplest solution would be to name them the Braves, which was their original mascot when the team was in Boston. They changed the name to Redskins so as not to cause confusion with the Boston Braves baseball team. They moved to D.C. a few years after the name change and they kept the Redskins as their mascot.

The fact is that there have been calls to change the name since the early 70's. Most don't remember that there were thousands of protestors outside the Super Bowl in 92 when Washington played Buffalo, demanding they change their name.

On the flip side of the issue, a poll in the Washington Post came out in 2016 in which 9 out of 10 Native Americans weren't offended by the name. There was a poll in 2004 that had basically the same results. Now it's quite possible that the attitudes among Native Americans have changed in the last 5 years but I haven't seen anything come out to support that. At the end of the day, that is the community that should have the loudest voice on the issue, not corporate interests especially those who have their own work to do to have more diversity in their executive leadership.

[OLJWales]

The simplest solution would be to name them the Braves, which was their original mascot when the team was in Boston. They changed the name to Redskins so as not to cause confusion with the Boston Braves baseball team. They moved to D.C. a few years after the name change and they kept the Redskins as their mascot.

The fact is that there have been calls to change the name since the early 70's. Most don't remember that there were thousands of protestors outside the Super Bowl in 92 when Washington played Buffalo, demanding they change their name.

On the flip side of the issue, a poll in the Washington Post came out in 2016 in which 9 out of 10 Native Americans weren't offended by the name. There was a poll in 2004 that had basically the same results. Now it's quite possible that the attitudes among Native Americans have changed in the last 5 years but I haven't seen anything come out to support that. At the end of the day, that is the community that should have the loudest voice on the issue, not corporate interests especially those who have their own work to do to have more diversity in their executive leadership.

Good post along with some historical reference but I musta forgot 'bout these "protests". Just cuz you woke, don't mean you right. Hurt Feelings are replacing Common Sense.. 90% of Indians not giving a damn but white wokers get what they want? It's like the Wokers get off on pissing ordinary folk off.

[R2Dawg]

Companies are not doing the things they do for financial reasons. They are cowards towards the bully's of the day. The majority of America doesn't approve of much of the stuff going on. If companies do this for free market financial reasons explain this.

Why do they hire based on skin color or sexual orientation vs ability to do a job well? United airlines just made a big deal about having diverse hires in the cockpit. I don't care what race or gender a person is flying the plane but i want them to be competent. The companies should only care about that also but they make dumb decisions that don't help their business.

[OLJWales]

Companies are not doing the things they do for financial reasons. They are cowards towards the bully's of the day. The majority of America doesn't approve of much of the stuff going on. If companies do this for free market financial reasons explain this.

Why do they hire based on skin color or sexual orientation vs ability to do a job well? United airlines just made a big deal about having diverse hires in the cockpit. I don't care what race or gender a person is flying the plane but i want them to be competent. The companies should only care about that also but they make dumb decisions that don't help their business.

The whole damned thing reeks of Star Trek's Borg where "You will be assimilated, resistance is futile." The Kings want individualism stamped out so we only have them to "guide" us like their sheep. Just go ahead and replace "God" with "Government" as to who we trust on our money already. Just get it over with and be honest.

[BeardoMSU]

The simplest solution would be to name them the Braves, which was their original mascot when the team was in Boston. They changed the name to Redskins so as not to cause confusion with the Boston Braves baseball team. They moved to D.C. a few years after the name change and they kept the Redskins as their mascot.

The fact is that there have been calls to change the name since the early 70's. Most don't remember that there were thousands of protestors outside the Super Bowl in 92 when Washington played Buffalo, demanding they change their name.

On the flip side of the issue, a poll in the Washington Post came out in 2016 in which 9 out of 10 Native Americans weren't offended by the name. There was a poll in 2004 that had basically the same results. Now it's quite possible that the attitudes among Native Americans have changed in the last 5 years but I haven't seen anything come out to support that. At the end of the day, that is the community that should have the loudest voice on the issue, not corporate interests especially those who have their own work to do to have more diversity in their executive leadership.

Good post, dude. Some good info here.

Glad you also mentioned the WaPo poll, which I always found interesting. It brings up several thoughts. For one, there are a lot of politics of which tribes are actually recognized by all the other tribes, but that's not necessarily apropos to this conversation. 2nd, were these NA's actually ones living on reservations, or separated from their tribes, or just folks who said "yeah, my mammy said we're 1/4th Indian, so I've got an opinion on this matter" (which has been expressed several times on this board, sadly enough)? All that being said, I'm curious to see the actual data of who participated in the poll.

Truthfully, though, I can see this topic not registering with the majority of NA's living on reservations in this country, whether in Oklahoma, S. Dakota, Mississippi, etc.,....because the sad fact is, those Native Americans are too busy dying, more proportionally than any other ethnic/racial group in this country, from suicide, alcoholism, drug abuse, heart disease, etc. If you've ever been on a reservation, you'd see it's like a visiting a 3rd world country, but one within our own borders. These communities have the lowest percentages of home heating, phone service, clean water, access to healthcare, etc. than anywhere else in the country. It's truly shameful. The kind of thing that makes you feel ill.

Granted, there will be folks who mention the glitz, glamor, and money of the casinos as if that's representative of life on the res; trust me, it's not.

[R2Dawg]

The whole damned thing reeks of Star Trek's Borg where "You will be assimilated, resistance is futile." The Kings want individualism stamped out so we only have them to "guide" us like their sheep. Just go ahead and replace "God" with "Government" as to who we trust on our money already. Just get it over with and be honest.

Yep the goal is to make gov to replace God. They believe in their minds they are a god. They will fail and reap destruction.

[SteelCurtain74]

Good post, dude. Some good info here.

Glad you also mentioned the WaPo poll, which I always found interesting. It brings up several thoughts. For one, there are a lot of politics of which tribes are actually recognized by all the other tribes, but that's not necessarily apropos to this conversation. 2nd, were these NA's actually ones living on reservations, or separated from their tribes, or just folks who said "yeah, my mammy said we're 1/4th Indian, so I've got an opinion on this matter" (which has been expressed several times on this board, sadly enough)? All that being said, I'm curious to see the actual data of who participated in the poll.

Truthfully, though, I can see this topic not registering with the majority of NA's living on reservations in this country, whether in Oklahoma, S. Dakota, Mississippi, etc.,....because the sad fact is, those Native Americans are too busy dying, more proportionally than any other ethnic/racial group in this country, from suicide, alcoholism, drug abuse, heart disease, etc. If you've ever been on a reservation, you'd see it's like a visiting a 3rd world country, but one within our own borders. These communities have the lowest percentages of home heating, phone service, clean water, access to healthcare, etc. than anywhere else in the country. It's truly shameful. The kind of thing that makes you feel ill.

Granted, there will be folks who mention the glitz, glamor, and money of the casinos as if that's representative of life on the res; trust me, it's not.

Good question about the poll. I'm not sure of the answer but I've always read it to mean full blooded Native Americans. I do know that Goodell used the poll to explain why the NFL was not going to push the issue with Snyder.

[OLJWales]

Good post, dude. Some good info here.

Glad you also mentioned the WaPo poll, which I always found interesting. It brings up several thoughts. For one, there are a lot of politics of which tribes are actually recognized by all the other tribes, but that's not necessarily apropos to this conversation. 2nd, were these NA's actually ones living on reservations, or separated from their tribes, or just folks who said "yeah, my mammy said we're 1/4th Indian, so I've got an opinion on this matter" (which has been expressed several times on this board, sadly enough)? All that being said, I'm curious to see the actual data of who participated in the poll.

Truthfully, though, I can see this topic not registering with the majority of NA's living on reservations in this country, whether in Oklahoma, S. Dakota, Mississippi, etc.,....because the sad fact is, those Native Americans are too busy dying, more proportionally than any other ethnic/racial group in this country, from suicide, alcoholism, drug abuse, heart disease, etc. If you've ever been on a reservation, you'd see it's like a visiting a 3rd world country, but one within our own borders. These communities have the lowest percentages of home heating, phone service, clean water, access to healthcare, etc. than anywhere else in the country. It's truly shameful. The kind of thing that makes you feel ill.

Granted, there will be folks who mention the glitz, glamor, and money of the casinos as if that's representative of life on the res; trust me, it's not.

Good post beard. Reservations? 2021? WTF Are we doing? Why don't we discuss these innocent and TRUE victims instead of glorifying felons who got killed by cops?