Seriously, what would you like to see happen that would bring more parity to NCAAF

[Indndawg]

asides from the retirement of Saban?

[Quaoarsking]

The SEC should negotiate with a consortium of donors to give some kind of flat amount to all 1,190 (14 x 85) scholarship SEC players to lessen the impact that the schools with deeper pockets have.

For that matter, just reserve $12 million of TV revenue to give every player $10,000 to endorse the SEC Network.

[RC3]

There is a simple solution. Reduce scholarships by 10-15 and give those to baseball. Solves two problems

[Mjoelner34]

There is a simple solution. Reduce scholarships by 10-15 and give those to baseball. Solves two problems

This.

[starkvegasdawg]

There is a simple solution. Reduce scholarships by 10-15 and give those to baseball. Solves two problems

This. Anything that has in its solution giving the players money will not work. They'll just get that above board and still get the money under the table to influence decisions.

[DownwardDawg]

There is a simple solution. Reduce scholarships by 10-15 and give those to baseball. Solves two problems

End of thread.

[MetEdDawg]

Scholarship reduction really is the only option. Take it to 75, give 10 more to baseball, call it a day.

College football is broken because there is no more parody. People say there are 8-10 teams every year that can win it. That's a flat out lie. It's more like 5, and Bama, Ohio State, and Clemson have been and will be 3 of those 5 for a very long time.

Oklahoma and Notre Dame are your other 2. You might have 1 team like an LSU sneak up but that's going to be rare.

[BulldogBear]

Scholarship reduction really is the only option. Take it to 75, give 10 more to baseball, call it a day.

College football is broken because there is no more parody. People say there are 8-10 teams every year that can win it. That's a flat out lie. It's more like 5, and Bama, Ohio State, and Clemson have been and will be 3 of those 5 for a very long time.

Oklahoma and Notre Dame are your other 2. You might have 1 team like an LSU sneak up but that's going to be rare.

This is, and always has been, the answer

[The Federalist Engineer]

Game Theory exercise:

What if Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State... created a College Football Premier League. Just forget the other wannabes?

With 20-24 teams they negotiate their own TV deals and simply play their players 100G and make the scholarships limitless and classroom attendance optional. Total end of the "student" charade, their fans won't care.

They lose Baseball and Basketball and the NCAA but who gives a heck. Their fans won't care.

What's the next Move for the other P5 schools?

[Jarius]

What everyone has said about scholarships is the only answer that will work but it will never happen because it will be called racist to take scholarships away from minorities. The rich will continue to have 5 stars sitting on the very end of the bench and the rest of the schools will play for a good bowl game in Florida and that will be our ceiling.

[confucius say]

End amateurism. It's dead anyway.
Salary cap.
Draft recruits or a placement process.
Revenue sharing.

[FriarsPoint]

The nfl create and pay for a farm league system of their own. Period.

[Bdawg]

There is a simple solution. Reduce scholarships by 10-15 and give those to baseball. Solves two problems

It really is this simple

[Lord McBuckethead]

There is a simple solution. Reduce scholarships by 10-15 and give those to baseball. Solves two problems

Absolutely. Reduce down to 70 total scholarships and only up to 85 total players on the sideline. Give those 15 to baseball.

[HoopsDawg]

It really is this simple

not quite. Gotta have a hard cap on signees/transfer each year. Cutting from 85 tp 75 would be a big help, but you can't let the big boys sign 25 every year and use every loophole in the book to sign even more than that. Not to mention the transfer portal.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Game Theory exercise:

What if Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State... created a College Football Premier League. Just forget the other wannabes?

With 20-24 teams they negotiate their own TV deals and simply play their players 100G and make the scholarships limitless and classroom attendance optional. Total end of the "student" charade, their fans won't care.

They lose Baseball and Basketball and the NCAA but who gives a heck. Their fans won't care.

What's the next Move for the other P5 schools?

Why would they do that? They already dominate the current system, make tons of money, and lets not forget the NCAA is beuracracy picked by universities themselves and is beholden to the big money makers. They can cheat with impunity cause the NCAA will never hammer them, just teams like Mizzou.

There's zero incentive for the big schools to break off from the NCAA.

[ShotgunDawg]

asides from the retirement of Saban?

The retirement of Saban does nothing except potentially transfer power to another monopoly.

The structure of the sport allows monopolies to form in recruiting and that can't be fixed until more of the 4+ caliber talent is distributed to more schools.

Only way to do that is to lower scholarships, have a draft, or give every team a salary cap from which to pay players from.

Which do you prefer?

[ShotgunDawg]

This is, and always has been, the answer

Before recruiting rankings though, people were somewhat dumb as to why and thus they had hope.

Recruiting rankings changed the perspective though as fans clearly see that all the top players go to the same schools.

The sport will fall in popularity very soon unless something is done.

[ShotgunDawg]

Game Theory exercise:

What if Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State... created a College Football Premier League. Just forget the other wannabes?

With 20-24 teams they negotiate their own TV deals and simply play their players 100G and make the scholarships limitless and classroom attendance optional. Total end of the "student" charade, their fans won't care.

They lose Baseball and Basketball and the NCAA but who gives a heck. Their fans won't care.

What's the next Move for the other P5 schools?

Would be easier to lower scholarships because, if this happened, numerous programs across the country would just shut their programs down, which would cost recruits many many many more scholarships than just reducing the amount.

Creating a super league wouldn't help at all

[ShotgunDawg]

End amateurism. It's dead anyway.
Salary cap.
Draft recruits or a placement process.
Revenue sharing.

This is the only non scholarship solution.

[confucius say]

Y'all aren't getting it. The ncaa is dead. Over.
A new model is on the way.

[ShotgunDawg]

not quite. Gotta have a hard cap on signees/transfer each year. Cutting from 85 tp 75 would be a big help, but you can't let the big boys sign 25 every year and use every loophole in the book to sign even more than that. Not to mention the transfer portal.

Great point.

It's incredibly simple to fix the sport but yet no one in power seems to have any interest in attacking the root problem.

[ShotgunDawg]

Y'all aren't getting it. The ncaa is dead. Over.
A new model is on the way.

Maybe but since the NCAA is run by the schools, the next model is highly likely to look almost exactly like the NCAA

[Saltydog]

There is a simple solution. Reduce scholarships by 10-15 and give those to baseball. Solves two problems

Yep, easy peasy nice and easy......

[PGHBulldogBG]

While I agree some kind of change needs to be made, it doesn?t help that in college football the top coaches in the game are at the top programs. Dabo, Saban and Meyer were the 3 best coaches and that isn?t the case in basketball or baseball. Now that Meyer is gone we will see if Day can keep that going, but I do believe this is part of the reason for the same teams winning over and over again. The next best coach besides the aforementioned is Matt Campbell and he has the big 12 bottom feeder going to the conference title game and preseason top 7 this year. Unfortunate for ISU he will probably leave for a school like Michigan and it will put them back on the map. Until the good coaches keep staying at the mid tier level schools it?s going to continue to be an issue. In basketball and baseball a coach is much more likely to stay

[ShotgunDawg]

While I agree some kind of change needs to be made, it doesn?t help that in college football the top coaches in the game are at the top programs. Dabo, Saban and Meyer were the 3 best coaches and that isn?t the case in basketball or baseball. Now that Meyer is gone we will see if Day can keep that going, but I do believe this is part of the reason for the same teams winning over and over again. The next best coach besides the aforementioned is Matt Campbell and he has the big 12 bottom feeder going to the conference title game and preseason top 7 this year. Unfortunate for ISU he will probably leave for a school like Michigan and it will put them back on the map. Until the good coaches keep staying at the mid tier level schools it?s going to continue to be an issue. In basketball and baseball a coach is much more likely to stay

The disparity in recruiting forces the top coaches to go to blue bloods.

In basketball, those coaches don?t feel the need to do so because you can win at most places.

[confucius say]

Maybe but since the NCAA is run by the schools, the next model is highly likely to look almost exactly like the NCAA

It won't be their choice. Kavenaugh told us in the Alston opinion that if someone will file suit challenging the restriction of non education related benefits by the ncaa, the court is ready to strike any such restriction. Once that happens, college athletes are free to be paid and to unionize. I disagree with the ruling and the piss poor interpretation by the court of antitrust law, but it is what it is.

[confucius say]

The disparity in recruiting forces the top coaches to go to blue bloods.

In basketball, those coaches don?t feel the need to do so because you can win at most places.

That disparity goes away with a draft and a salary cap

[Indndawg]

The SEC should negotiate with a consortium of donors to give some kind of flat amount to all 1,190 (14 x 85) scholarship SEC players to lessen the impact that the schools with deeper pockets have.

For that matter, just reserve $12 million of TV revenue to give every player $10,000 to endorse the SEC Network.

Nice

[Quaoarsking]

Y'all aren't getting it. The ncaa is dead. Over.
A new model is on the way.

Good. The NCAA needed to burn to the ground.

[Bdawg]

not quite. Gotta have a hard cap on signees/transfer each year. Cutting from 85 tp 75 would be a big help, but you can't let the big boys sign 25 every year and use every loophole in the book to sign even more than that. Not to mention the transfer portal.

For sure. I pretty much figured if you drop the number of overall scholarships you should drop the signing classes too. Not sure what a good number is because you have to at least allow for a little attrition(kids transfering out for whatever reason)in order to not fall below the total scholly limit. 20-22 a year maybe? And like you said, close some loopholes.

[maroonmania]

Great point.

It's incredibly simple to fix the sport but yet no one in power seems to have any interest in attacking the root problem.

Yep, its pathetic that the primary thing that would help make college football competitive (scholarship reductions) is taboo because the schools know it will be framed as 'racist' by the current social environment so they won't touch it with a ten foot pole even though 95% of schools athletic departments in their heart of hearts would be absolutely in favor of it. Fact is, when the 85 number was put in place freshmen weren't even playing. So 20+ scholarships on the team were used up on players not actively playing on the field. Now you've got freshmen as a big part of every team. The current football glut of scholarships allows the elites to basically way oversign for what they need and then 'tryout' players once they get on campus. The ones that don't stack up to their recruiting hype are just sent on their merry way through the transfer portal. NIL and immediate transfers will just help the rich stay richer as well. In fact, with immediate transferring I see G5 schools as the new JUCO system for P5 schools.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yep, its pathetic that the primary thing that would help make college football competitive (scholarship reductions) is taboo because the schools know it will be framed as 'racist' by the current social environment so they won't touch it with a ten foot pole even though 95% of schools athletic departments in their heart of hearts would be absolutely in favor of it. Fact is, when the 85 number was put in place freshmen weren't even playing. So 20+ scholarships on the team were used up on players not actively playing on the field. Now you've got freshmen as a big part of every team. The current football glut of scholarships allows the elites to basically way oversign for what they need and then 'tryout' players once they get on campus. The ones that don't stack up to their recruiting hype are just sent on their merry way through the transfer portal. NIL and immediate transfers will just help the rich stay richer as well. In fact, with immediate transferring I see G5 schools as the new JUCO system for P5 schools.

You go woke, you go broke.

It's that simple. I'm not sure if it takes 5 years or 20 years, but college football is going to decline significantly in this country unless something is done.

Fall camp doesn't start for another month & we already know 2-3 of the playoff teams. That's not a sport, that's an exhibition

Wait till Alabama beats Miami 48-17 the 1st week of the season. It's just a really really really crappy on field product. The traditions, pageantry, stadiums, & students are amazing, but the on field product will eventually cause a massive downfall

[Dawgology]

There is a simple solution. Reduce scholarships by 10-15 and give those to baseball. Solves two problems

It?s either this or stop scholarships for student athletes completely and let it return to a truly amateur sport where the athlete is an actual student at the school based on gpa and academic accomplishments.

[Indndawg]

It?s either this or stop scholarships for student athletes completely and let it return to a truly amateur sport where the athlete is an actual student at the school based on gpa and academic accomplishments.

and the biggest long shot.

[Jarius]

You go woke, you go broke.

It's that simple. I'm not sure if it takes 5 years or 20 years, but college football is going to decline significantly in this country unless something is done.

Fall camp doesn't start for another month & we already know 2-3 of the playoff teams. That's not a sport, that's an exhibition

Wait till Alabama beats Miami 48-17 the 1st week of the season. It's just a really really really crappy on field product. The traditions, pageantry, stadiums, & students are amazing, but the on field product will eventually cause a massive downfall

The diehard fans will always watch but for CFB to remain this popular and eventually grow the brand changes have to happen. The best teams have always had way more talent than the rest of us but the rule changes in the modern era of College football make offenses unstoppable and blowouts so much worse than they used to be that no one even feels like upsets are possible against the top 2-3 teams in the country every year. That is not a sustainable product for the average fan that just casually watches. We have finally stopped pretending that college football is an amateur sport and now it’s time to make the changes necessary to improve the overall product.

[ShotgunDawg]

The diehard fans will always watch but for CFB to remain this popular and eventually grow the brand changes have to happen. The best teams have always had way more talent than the rest of us but the rule changes in the modern era of College football make offenses unstoppable and blowouts so much worse than they used to be that no one even feels like upsets are possible against the top 2-3 teams in the country every year. That is not a sustainable product for the average fan that just casually watches. We have finally stopped pretending that college football is an amateur sport and now it’s time to make the changes necessary to improve the overall product.

Great points on the rule changes making it so much worse.

You're 100% right.

[Irondawg]

Basically I think your starting point is if being a student athlete is important or if we just all agree it?s a semi-pro league.

I think some simple solutions would be:

1) Reduce coach?s salaries. They are simply out of hand.

2) Figure out roster rules. What?s the max, how do have file transfers, if you pay players do they get scholarships or do you basically sign them to contracts? This is the most complicated piece to me.

3) If you are gonna pay them do revenue sharing/scholarships and either stop it right there or have a clearinghouse that pays players for their likeness being used. Another complicated issue.

4) actually have rules and penalties for cheating and tampering that ADs agree to implement and then make the penalties for the school and players very clear and uniform.

If some want to go off and form some kind of semi-pro league that?s fine, let them have at it but most programs I think would crave some equity and clear guidelines.

[Hot Rock]

End amateurism. It's dead anyway.
Salary cap.
Draft recruits or a placement process.
Revenue sharing.

130 D1 teams x 85 scholarships = 11,050 There are only about 32 teams x 53 man roster = 1,696 with some playing as long as a decade.

Each Year - 25 scholarships per year x 130 = 3,250 plus 3 year guys. The draft has 7 rounds x 32 teams = 224 (plus compensatory picks) Many of the later round guys never even make the roster too.

The NFL is not the where the majority of players end up. I cannot ever see forcing a player to got to a particular college when the majority of the players biggest benefit is a college education.

What you are proposing is a minor league system for the NFL that has no ties to colleges. This would be about as popular as Arena Football, no one would watch.

[ScoobaDawg]

There is a simple solution. Reduce scholarships by 10-15 and give those to baseball. Solves two problems

This. It's simple and fixes two major issues.