Dual threat QB'S, Why was I wrong? Vick got my attention and so did Kap. I was

[OLJWales]

Convinced they were the future. Mannings and Brady types bust my theory over and over Though. Would like to see Dak tuck it more. Will be checking in on Lamar jxn from time to time. I've always thought it was like having 12 players. I would never be a good football scout.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Dual Threats are the future, past, and present in College Football because the DBs are not as good and you don't pay the starting QB kids 20-30% of the scholarship money.

In the Pro-Game, accuracy, wonderlic smarts, arm strength are much more important because you have the cleverest, fastest, and most experienced DBs money can buy.

But even if Brady ran a 4.4, would you want to have the longevity and risk of a Full Back for the most marquee investment on the team, rather he just throw it away. Some scramble is a plus but that's not exactly dual threat.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Pretty much every QB in the Top 10 in the NFL is a mobile QB. Mahomes, Rogers, Wilson, Watson, Dak, Lamar, Josh Allen, Tannehill.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Yeah, but what does this have to do with Arch Manning?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Pretty much every QB in the Top 10 in the NFL is a mobile QB. Mahomes, Rogers, Wilson, Watson, Dak, Lamar, Josh Allen, Tannehill.
Mobile yes, dual threat NO. Take Cam Newton for one. He was dang good when he came in the league. Then LBers teed off on him for a few years. Now he literally cannot perform on the field.

[Commercecomet24]

Mobile yes, dual threat NO. Take Cam Newton for one. He was dang good when he came in the league. Then LBers teed off on him for a few years. Now he literally cannot perform on the field.

This. QBs that run to much just can't survive in the nfl. To many big fast guys that hit like trucks. Mobility good, running bad. Brady will sometimes just throw a ball into the ground if he sees it's not there to keep from taking a hit.

[BeardoMSU]

This. QBs that run to much just can't survive in the nfl. To many big fast guys that hit like trucks. Mobility good, running bad. Brady will sometimes just throw a ball into the ground if he sees it's not there to keep from taking a hit.

This is why I don't buy the Lamar stock. He has barely developed his passing skills and relies almost entirely on play action. It's an exciting offense to watch "now", but how long can they sustain running him up the middle like cannon fodder?

Meanwhile, Dak has improved every single year he's been in the league, and is now primarily a pocket passer. He's good on roll outs and options at the goal line, but the whole "he's just a runner" mantra is totally debunk.

[Big4Dawg]

This is why I don't buy the Lamar stock. He has barely developed his passing skills and relies almost entirely on play action. It's an exciting offense to watch "now", but how long can they sustain running him up the middle like cannon fodder?

Meanwhile, Dak has improved every single year he's been in the league, and is now primarily a pocket passer. He's good on roll outs and options at the goal line, but the whole "he's just a runner" mantra is totally debunk.

Lamar had improved a decent amount and he has very few designed runs.

He had his best WRs he has had this year. I think you?ll be able to notice.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Mobile yes, dual threat NO. Take Cam Newton for one. He was dang good when he came in the league. Then LBers teed off on him for a few years. Now he literally cannot perform on the field.

Ok that's true but they're all closer to dual threat guys than they are to Brady & Manning. A QB was always taught to stay in the pocket. Now it's all about scrambling to give yourself time & being able to throw off different platforms & arm angles. The days of the tall immobile QB's who just stand in the pocket are almost over. There's way more mobile QB's than the Brady/Manning prototype in the league now & that # is only going to continue to grow.

[Jack Lambert]

Pretty much every QB in the Top 10 in the NFL is a mobile QB. Mahomes, Rogers, Wilson, Watson, Dak, Lamar, Josh Allen, Tannehill.

I think there is a difference between dual threat and scrambler. Dak is a dual threat. Wilson is a scrambler.


Fred Tarkenton Best scrambler of all time in my opinion

[BrunswickDawg]

I think there is a difference between dual threat and scrambler. Dak is a dual threat. Wilson is a scrambler.


Fred Tarkenton Best scrambler of all time in my opinion

Tarkenton, Staubach, Manning, Steve Young, Elway - all the prototype scrambler who would run on occasion.

[Commercecomet24]

Ok that's true but they're all closer to dual threat guys than they are to Brady & Manning. A QB was always taught to stay in the pocket. Now it's all about scrambling to give yourself time & being able to throw off different platforms & arm angles. The days of the tall immobile QB's who just stand in the pocket are almost over. There's way more mobile QB's than the Brady/Manning prototype in the league now & that # is only going to continue to grow.

This is true, mobility and scrambling are crucial now, however getting rid of the ball and not taking hits is super important to longevity. QBs cannot survive in the league for long if they continually taking hits.

[MedDawg]

Mobile yes, dual threat NO. Take Cam Newton for one. He was dang good when he came in the league. Then LBers teed off on him for a few years. Now he literally cannot perform on the field.

Yep. And before him, Robert Griffin III's injury situation had to scare a lot of coaches from running their QB's more than needed.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Pretty much every QB in the Top 10 in the NFL is a mobile QB. Mahomes, Rogers, Wilson, Watson, Dak, Lamar, Josh Allen, Tannehill.

Definitely, these guys are incredible freak athletes. But if "dual threat" means that the QB is an integral part of the running game, occupies a "spy" to defend that run threat and carries QBR of +70, the Pool narrows.

Lamar, Cam Scam, Kap (best early years), and Vick (U-27) are/were dual threat. 1,000 yard rushers and/or getting 100+ carries per year and high QBR.

Alex Smith (Utah) was a dual threat as a collegian, one of Mullen's NFL QB family, he statistically had one potential Dual Threat year as a Pro.

As a Joke, for Chicago Bears fans. That franchise has had many No-Threat QBs. No mobility and Low QBRs. Rex Grossman. Kyle Orton, Jay Cutler, Trubisky, Mike Tomscazk ...

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Definitely, these guys are incredible freak athletes. But if "dual threat" means that the QB is an integral part of the running game, occupies a "spy" to defend that run threat and carries QBR of +70, the Pool narrows.

Lamar, Cam Scam, Kap (best early years), and Vick (U-27) are/were dual threat. 1,000 yard rushers and/or getting 100+ carries per year and high QBR.

Alex Smith (Utah) was a dual threat as a collegian, one of Mullen's NFL QB family, he statistically had one potential Dual Threat year as a Pro.

As a Joke, for Chicago Bears fans. That franchise has had many No-Threat QBs. No mobility and Low QBRs. Rex Grossman. Kyle Orton, Jay Cutler, Trubisky, Mike Tomscazk ...

No theyre not many NFL QB's running read option. At the same time they're not many statues standing in the pocket now either. The game has evolved. So while everyone isn't running zone read a ton pretty much every QB I listed playbook has some zone read in it minus Rodgers. So while no they're not asking you to be Michael Vick & have 15 carries a game you have to be able to move to be a top QB now.

[The Federalist Engineer]

No theyre not many NFL QB's running read option. At the same time they're not many statues standing in the pocket now either. The game has evolved. So while everyone isn't running zone read a ton pretty much every QB I listed playbook has some zone read in it minus Rodgers. So while no they're not asking you to be Michael Vick & have 15 carries a game you have to be able to move to be a top QB now.

Vick was pre-read option. He would scamper out of the pocket on meandering runs more like Randall Cunningham but with next-level wiggle and speed. He was a threat to gash you for a 20-to-50 yards when he left the pocket.

The statute is a going obsolete it seems. But I do wonder, what would Dan Marino be today, probably an MLB pitcher or a 3B. Or, he would have slimmed down and stayed slim to be more athletic as a QB.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Yep. And before him, Robert Griffin III's injury situation had to scare a lot of coaches from running their QB's more than needed.

Griffin, prior to injury, threw one of the best deep balls I have ever seen. He almost never threw it out of range. Then Washington decided to ruin his career playing him without any functional ligaments in his knee.

[Lord McBuckethead]

No theyre not many NFL QB's running read option. At the same time they're not many statues standing in the pocket now either. The game has evolved. So while everyone isn't running zone read a ton pretty much every QB I listed playbook has some zone read in it minus Rodgers. So while no they're not asking you to be Michael Vick & have 15 carries a game you have to be able to move to be a top QB now.

The zone read ended in the NFL the second every defense decided to hit Kaep on every single zone read play regardless of him keeping it or not. It is a no Brainer to have your DE or OLB just blow him up at the mesh point every single time. Free shot, messes with timing, and you get a 100% legal free unload your GD Shit on the QB. If I were a college coach, I would do exactly the same thing.