Your all decade (2010-2020) baseball team

[MoreCowbell]

List your all decade Bulldog Baseball team (2010-2020) and in your preferred batting order and positions.

1. Jake Mangum CF
2. Adam Frazier SS
3. Brent Rooker LF
4. Nate Lowe 1B
5. Justin Foscue 3B
6. Jordan Westburg DH
7. Hunter Renfroe RF
8. Jack Kruger C
9. Brett Pirtle 2B

Friday- Ethan Small
Saturday- Chris Stratton
Sunday- Dakota Hudson

Relief- Chad Girodo
Relief- Jacob Lindgren
Relief- Jonathan Holder

[BrunswickDawg]

Tough to argue with anyone on that list. You could maybe go with Wes Rea at 1st - as he was a 4 year starter vs. Nate Lowe only being here 1 year. Nate was a more talented guy, buy Wes had 23 career HR and 147 RBI's

[BeardoMSU]

Not bad, but you've got to have Sims on that list. I'd switch him with Girodo.

[Saltydog]

I'm not even gonna try to argue w/your lineup one bit. I think this pretty much nails it. I would give an honorable mention to Reid Humphreys, Ross Mitchell, Jacob Robson, CT Bradford, Kendall Graveman and Konor Pilkington.

[BrunswickDawg]

Not bad, but you've got to have Sims on that list. I'd switch him with Girodo.

Sims only pitched in 7 games in that decade. He will be on the 2021-2030 All-Decade Team

[Rex54]

Ross Mitchell over Jared Lindgren in relief
Connor Powers over Nate Lowe at first base.
Kendall Graveman over Dakota Hudson at starting pitcher.

[KOdawg1]

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[BeardoMSU]

Sims only pitched in 7 games in that decade. He will be on the 2021-2030 All-Decade Team

Ah, fair enough.

[Saltydog]

Hate to disagree Rex but Kendall was not better than Dakota at any point.

[ZedFedder]

Everything looks good, but why is Renfroe batting 7th instead of cleanup?

[shoeless joe]

Westburg better at short than Frazier. Move Frazier to second westy to short and then TA or macnamee to DH.

Your order could use some adjusting as well. Lowe is not the 4 hole in that line up.

[Captain Falcon]

List your all decade Bulldog Baseball team (2010-2020) and in your preferred batting order and positions.

1. Jake Mangum CF
2. Adam Frazier SS
3. Brent Rooker LF
4. Nate Lowe 1B
5. Justin Foscue 3B
6. Jordan Westburg DH
7. Hunter Renfroe RF
8. Jack Kruger C
9. Brett Pirtle 2B

Friday- Ethan Small
Saturday- Chris Stratton
Sunday- Dakota Hudson

Relief- Chad Girodo
Relief- Jacob Lindgren
Relief- Jonathan Holder

I would DH Rooker and play Robson in LF. He was by far our best player on an awful 2015 team and was really good when healthy in 2016, Mangum?s emergence kind of overshadowed him but he was really good. Plus a Robson-Mangum-Renfroe defensive outfield would?ve been incredible.

[Homedawg]

Westburg better at short than Frazier. Move Frazier to second westy to short and then TA or macnamee to DH.

Your order could use some adjusting as well. Lowe is not the 4 hole in that line up.

The stats say Frazier was a better defender. And yes I know Westburg didn't get a full year as a jr, but he was off to a bad clip of .891 before covid cut it short. .947 his soph year.

[Rick Danko]

Personal opinion I?d put Logan Tanner in over Kruger

[Homedawg]

Personal opinion I?d put Logan Tanner in over Kruger

Again, wrong decade. But he's gonna have a huge head start on this one.

[Rex54]

Hate to disagree Rex but Kendall was not better than Dakota at any point.

Are we talking just overall talent as it translates to the MLB or their contributions at State? Graveman was the anchor starting pitcher on the national runner up team and contributed greatly to us reaching that final series. He logged big innings for us over a number of seasons. Hudson was used sparingly for two years before having one great season. He struggled in his regional start against SEMO that year and though he pitched well against Arizona in the Supers we still lost the game.

For an All-Decade team give me the guy who logged way more competitive innings, and way more postseason (including deep Omaha run starts) accomplishments. Kendall Graveman > Dakota Hudson for this sort of recognition. Again, not basing it just on higher end talent or MLB ceiling. If that was the case Woodruff would be here.

[R2Dawg]

List your all decade Bulldog Baseball team (2010-2020) and in your preferred batting order and positions.

1. Jake Mangum CF
2. Adam Frazier SS
3. Brent Rooker LF
4. Nate Lowe 1B
5. Justin Foscue 3B
6. Jordan Westburg DH
7. Hunter Renfroe RF
8. Jack Kruger C
9. Brett Pirtle 2B

Friday- Ethan Small
Saturday- Chris Stratton
Sunday- Dakota Hudson

Relief- Chad Girodo
Relief- Jacob Lindgren
Relief- Jonathan Holder

Pretty salty group, how would you like to face that lineup on a weekend?

[Homedawg]

Are we talking just overall talent as it translates to the MLB or their contributions at State? Graveman was the anchor starting pitcher on the national runner up team and contributed greatly to us reaching that final series. He logged big innings for us over a number of seasons. Hudson was used sparingly for two years before having one great season. He struggled in his regional start against SEMO that year and though he pitched well against Arizona in the Supers we still lost the game.

For an All-Decade team give me the guy who logged way more competitive innings, and way more postseason (including deep Omaha run starts) accomplishments. Kendall Graveman > Dakota Hudson for this sort of recognition. Again, not basing it just on higher end talent or MLB ceiling. If that was the case Woodruff would be here.

So renfroe wouldn't make it? He was basically one great year. Rooker was ok then blew up his jr year. Lots of guys just have one great year. Heck besides magnum and holder, nobody had 3 good years and not many had 2 out of those listed.

[ShotgunDawg]

[QUOTE=shoeless joe;1324055]Westburg better at short than Frazier. Move Frazier to second westy to short and then TA or macnamee to DH.

agree. Can we also start Woodruff on Friday night?

[ShotgunDawg]

List your all decade Bulldog Baseball team (2010-2020) and in your preferred batting order and positions.

1. Jake Mangum CF
2. Adam Frazier SS
3. Brent Rooker LF
4. Nate Lowe 1B
5. Justin Foscue 3B
6. Jordan Westburg DH
7. Hunter Renfroe RF
8. Jack Kruger C
9. Brett Pirtle 2B

Friday- Ethan Small
Saturday- Chris Stratton
Sunday- Dakota Hudson

Relief- Chad Girodo
Relief- Jacob Lindgren
Relief- Jonathan Holder

Move LoTan to catcher - His defense is worth having a lesser hitter
Holder to set-up
Gravemen Sunday starter
Stratton to middle relief
Girodo & Lindgren to LOOGY
Frazier to 2B
Westy to SS
Allen to LF
Rooker to DH

Rotation: Woodruff, Hudson, Graveman

Team could compete for the AL Central

[Rex54]

So renfroe wouldn't make it? He was basically one great year. Rooker was ok then blew up his jr year. Lots of guys just have one great year. Heck besides magnum and holder, nobody had 3 good years and not many had 2 out of those listed.

My argument isn't because he only had one great year, my argument was his resume doesn't match Graveman's. What a retarded inference to make.....

[MoreCowbell]

Are we talking just overall talent as it translates to the MLB or their contributions at State? Graveman was the anchor starting pitcher on the national runner up team and contributed greatly to us reaching that final series. He logged big innings for us over a number of seasons. Hudson was used sparingly for two years before having one great season. He struggled in his regional start against SEMO that year and though he pitched well against Arizona in the Supers we still lost the game.

For an All-Decade team give me the guy who logged way more competitive innings, and way more postseason (including deep Omaha run starts) accomplishments. Kendall Graveman > Dakota Hudson for this sort of recognition. Again, not basing it just on higher end talent or MLB ceiling. If that was the case Woodruff would be here.

I don?t have a problem with that. I personally would take Hudson though

[MoreCowbell]

My argument isn't because he only had one great year, my argument was his resume doesn't match Graveman's. What a retarded inference to make.....

What about Hatcher?

[Rex54]

What about Hatcher?

I don't think he can match the power you get from Connor Powers.

[Homedawg]

Move LoTan to catcher - His defense is worth having a lesser hitter
Holder to set-up
Gravemen Sunday starter
Stratton to middle relief
Girodo & Lindgren to LOOGY
Frazier to 2B
Westy to SS
Allen to LF
Rooker to DH

Rotation: Woodruff, Hudson, Graveman

Team could compete for the AL Central

Tanner is the wrong decade..... he only had 20 ish games. In 20. It should be 2010-2019 and he wasn't here yet.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Westburg better at short than Frazier. Move Frazier to second westy to short and then TA or macnamee to DH.

Your order could use some adjusting as well. Lowe is not the 4 hole in that line up.

Westy was pretty good, but his draft position is a way more influential than his actual performance

Jacob Robson-2015 was electric when healthy, like Skinner with a 350 batting average and CF quality defense skills

CT Bradford-2014 was also very good and hit 300 with a dead bat, like 340 with the current bat and ball. Great defense. Team leader too.

Gavin Collins -2016, Tanner Allen-2019, and Gridley- 2019 are all better than Westy. Allen hit 350 in 2019 with more HRs.

Also missing are clutch heros like McNamee and Cody Brown

[The Federalist Engineer]

I don?t have a problem with that. I personally would take Hudson though

Graveman was good and I would take him now, today. You look at the stats- Graveman surely was the best starter of 2013.

But the real strength of 2013 pitching was the Pen, not the starting.

[shoeless joe]

Again, wrong decade. But he's gonna have a huge head start on this one.

No doubt westy could pull an air mail out of his ass on occasion but I think he makes plays that Frazier can?t. Routine grounder or a ball needing charged then Frazier is fine. In the hole either way or overall athleticism then I?ll take westy.

God I love baseball...

[Rex54]

Graveman was good and I would take him now, today. You look at the stats- Graveman surely was the best starter of 2013.

But the real strength of 2013 pitching was the Pen, not the starting.

His ability to log those long innings as our SAT starter allowed the pen to be more geared up to be used on FRI and SUN in the series. Don't forget at one point in that year he went back to back to back 9-inning Complete Games for wins against Florida, Texas A&M, and Arkansas.

It was Graveman who after us starting off league play 0-2 vs LSU balled up Mason Katz and set the tone for the year with a huge win.

You can't leave Graveman off the all-decade team if you have any sense of MSU Baseball.

[Todd4State]

Closer- Sims. It's kind of unfair to judge him on a COVID year.
Set-up- Holder
Relief ace- Lindgren
Arm angle guy- Girodo

Fri- Hudson
Sat- Small
Sun- Stratton

Midweek- Graveman

C- Kruger
1B- Lowe
2B- Foscue
3B- Jarrod Parks
SS- Frazier

LF- Rooker
CF- Mangum
RF- Renfroe

DH- Tanner Allen
PH- MacNamee
PR- Robson
UTL- Westburg

[Rick Danko]

Again, wrong decade. But he's gonna have a huge head start on this one.

Obviously reading comprehension is my strong suit.... 🤦*♂️🤦*♂️🤦*♂️

[Homedawg]

My argument isn't because he only had one great year, my argument was his resume doesn't match Graveman's. What a retarded inference to make.....

Retarded great comeback. Shouldn't you be on the bus to school? I'll take Hudson. No offense to Graveman

[Homedawg]

His ability to log those long innings as our SAT starter allowed the pen to be more geared up to be used on FRI and SUN in the series. Don't forget at one point in that year he went back to back to back 9-inning Complete Games for wins against Florida, Texas A&M, and Arkansas.

It was Graveman who after us starting off league play 0-2 vs LSU balled up Mason Katz and set the tone for the year with a huge win.

You can't leave Graveman off the all-decade team if you have any sense of MSU Baseball.

Coming from the guy who said we couldn't see Bc Hatcher was havi great at bats. Had you said I'd stick with him Bc he's gonna break out well, ok. But you kept saying he was having great at bats. Comical.

[Lord McBuckethead]

No way Sims isn't on there somewhere.

[Tbonewannabe]

Graveman was good and I would take him now, today. You look at the stats- Graveman surely was the best starter of 2013.

But the real strength of 2013 pitching was the Pen, not the starting.

Ross Mitchell was the MVP of that pitching group. Dude would pitch damn near every game and at one time had like 20 wins with 1 or 2 losses. Of course that was with the dead ball. His last year with the new ball made him not very effective.

[Saltydog]

Hudson had better stuff than Graveman, he just did. Now, it could certainly be argued that Graveman had the overall better career (I think he was 19-13 overall/8-5 his senior year) and Hudson did pitch sparingly his first two years but his junior year he was outstanding. He did lose to Arizona 1-0 in the Supers and was outdueled by Bobby Dalbec. That guy almost single handedly beat us in that Super.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Ross Mitchell was the MVP of that pitching group. Dude would pitch damn near every game and at one time had like 20 wins with 1 or 2 losses. Of course that was with the dead ball. His last year with the new ball made him not very effective.

Even with his Senior year with the new ball, he had a better career than anybody on the list. He completely hacked BBCOR and Raised Seam baseballs.

He basically saved 2014 and became an SEC starter for us. He pitched more innings, had more wins and a better ERA than Stratton, Hudson, and Graveman.

In 2013.....Mitchell was 13-0 with a 1.53 ERA, pitched in Omaha, Super Regionals, and SEC.

If you include him on the team of the Decade you gotta make people swing the 2013 Bat and let Ross toss the funky 2013 Ball.

By the way, if Renfroe had Rooker's bat and ball from 2017, he would have hit 390 with 48 HRs, but more likely, he would have intentionally walked 120 times in 210 season at bats.

[Rex54]

Hudson had better stuff than Graveman

That's not the point of an all-decade team. It's about the accomplishments for your school. Brandon Woodruff has better stuff than both of them but I wouldn't put him on the all-decade team.

Graveman's accomplishments over a whole career but especially 2013 far outweigh Hudson's 2016.

Multiple seasons of significant contributions
Huge LSU win after we started 0-2 in league play.
Back to Back to Back SEC complete game wins over quality teams (Arkansas, Florida, Texas A&M)
3-0 in the 2013 postseason and we won his other Omaha start.

[Johnson85]

List your all decade Bulldog Baseball team (2010-2020) and in your preferred batting order and positions.

1. Jake Mangum CF
2. Adam Frazier SS
3. Brent Rooker LF
4. Nate Lowe 1B
5. Justin Foscue 3B
6. Jordan Westburg DH
7. Hunter Renfroe RF
8. Jack Kruger C
9. Brett Pirtle 2B

Friday- Ethan Small
Saturday- Chris Stratton
Sunday- Dakota Hudson

Relief- Chad Girodo
Relief- Jacob Lindgren
Relief- Jonathan Holder

Seems like there's probably some recency bias there, in particular putting Westburg at DH. He obviously was good for us, but seems like we could get a better bat in the lineup with DH. I admittedly can't come up wtih anybody better off hand, but I question whether Foscue is the best we can do at 3B.

Of course it's also hard because of the changes to the ball. Can't leave Mitchell off if you're talking about production, but not sure he would have been anything special with the newer balls.

[Tbonewannabe]

Seems like there's probably some recency bias there, in particular putting Westburg at DH. He obviously was good for us, but seems like we could get a better bat in the lineup with DH. I admittedly can't come up wtih anybody better off hand, but I question whether Foscue is the best we can do at 3B.

Of course it's also hard because of the changes to the ball. Can't leave Mitchell off if you're talking about production, but not sure he would have been anything special with the newer balls.

Foscue was better than Pirtle if you move him to 2nd. He honestly is a prototype 2B or 3B in MLB. He hit around .350 with 10 or so homers per year. He would be the best hitter on this team right now and I love Tanner Allen.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Foscue was better than Pirtle if you move him to 2nd. He honestly is a prototype 2B or 3B in MLB. He hit around .350 with 10 or so homers per year. He would be the best hitter on this team right now and I love Tanner Allen.

All the dudes before 2016 are 40 pts better hitters if they played with the newer bat.

Pirtle and Frazier were total hitting freaks given the times. They would be 380 and 400 guys today. Even Vickerson was pretty good hitter for his time and would be quite stellar now. Vicks 9 HRs in 2011 are like 16 HRs today. Westy never hit double digit HRs.

Hot take and will be attacked. Pirtle and Frazier were so good defensively, they made us think ground balls were automatic. They were a source of great strength and confidence. We probably don't leave Virginia with a Super Regional victory in 2013 with Westburg playing SS. No way. Westy is like more like James than people remember. He got to ball and threw it hard, but one reason Tanner Allen moved to OF was that our MIFs were so erratic.

Frazier and Pirtle today would lower the ERA by 0.75 to 1.25 runs. Something like that

[Rex54]

Frazier and Pirtle are the no doubt up the middle combo for the All-Decade team. Didn't we lead the nation in double-plays that season?

Is nobody else going to jump on my Connor Powers at 1B train? That guy was a beast.

[Turfdawg67]

"... Connor Powers at 1B train? That guy was a beast."

He was no Hatcher though...

[The Federalist Engineer]

This is a great thread.... who coaches this legion of honor?

Would say Lemonis but he might start Hatch. No Cohen due to meddling, bunting, and mid-count pitching changes.

HC - Andy Cannizzaro the 2017 Edition
Hitting - Gautreau
Pitching - Foxhall
Special Assistant- Cheese