Extend upper deck. Keep berms. Done.

[TheWorkHersch]

https://i.imgur.com/XyNNJSC.png

[Saltydog]

Agree with this but I think it'll take a couple of years or so before that's discussed. Aren't they planning to add a second set of lofts in the not too distant future?

[StarkVegasSteve]

The only issue I see with that is what would you do about club level? The way it's built it kind of needs to be on the end. And I don't think there's enough demand to basically double the club level.

[Pinto]

I would just put in seats and extend it down to the foul polls. I?d leave the area for skyboxes as concrete for standing room only. Might could also rent those areas out for parties or specialty events. Then when the demand for skyboxes happens, enclose them in.

With that all being said, how many weekends do we really have like the past one. If we put anything in it has to be multi purpose/functional.

Also the athletic department needs to track who didn?t use their chairbacks for this weekend. Several seats were empty on the weekend and that?s unacceptable.

[bulldogcountry1]

Putting chair backs over the berms have to be next logical step. Otherwise, you are changing the whole aesthetic of the stadium with upper level add-ons. It would also be expensive for what you gain in seats.

We are going to have to add restrooms as well. The flat area beyond RF would be an ideal place with some seating on top.

[TheLostDawg]

I would just put in seats and extend it down to the foul polls. I?d leave the area for skyboxes as concrete for standing room only. Might could also rent those areas out for parties or specialty events. Then when the demand for skyboxes happens, enclose them in.

With that all being said, how many weekends do we really have like the past one. If we put anything in it has to be multi purpose/functional.

Great idea,

[Mjoelner34]

Here is a quick and dirty thing I put on 6pack. Expanded upper decks angled for line of sight. Either add additional club suites up top or make it an open deck with picnic tables and drink rails.

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[Todd4State]

I would just put in seats and extend it down to the foul polls. I?d leave the area for skyboxes as concrete for standing room only. Might could also rent those areas out for parties or specialty events. Then when the demand for skyboxes happens, enclose them in.

With that all being said, how many weekends do we really have like the past one. If we put anything in it has to be multi purpose/functional.

Also the athletic department needs to track who didn?t use their chairbacks for this weekend. Several seats were empty on the weekend and that?s unacceptable.

I think the athletic department is already doing that. I'm not sure what the repprecussions are though.

At least the issue is a lot better than it was before the stadium was built.

[Todd4State]

Here is a quick and dirty thing I put on 6pack. Expanded upper decks angled for line of sight. Either add additional club suites up top or make it an open deck with picnic tables and drink rails.

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There are also going to be more lofts in the future as well. I've had a couple of MSU baseball player parents and diamond girl parents tell me that more additions are coming but every time I mention it someone like Gene shoots it down immediately meaning the AD doesn't want it out yet. The rumor is the berms are going to be turned into seats.

I think they're going to take care of the Hump next and then maybe address baseball expansion after that around 2024 if I had to guess.

[Homedawg]

They aren't going to add on to the stadium for ga seats. So any addition would only hurt this people who only buy ga tickets. Now I'm ok w an addition. But it's just going to cause more crying from those either can't afford it, don't want to pay for it, or only come to a game or two.

[viverlibre]

I like the berms.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I like the berms.

The Berms are nice, but GEneral Admission should have a place to sit. As of now, there are zero general admission tickets. SRO sucks. Some general fans would like to catch a game and not be 20 people deep from the railing.

[Homedawg]

The Berms are nice, but GEneral Admission should have a place to sit. As of now, there are zero general admission tickets. SRO sucks. Some general fans would like to catch a game and not be 20 people deep from the railing.

I'm sure it does. But it's not about to change.... and we can agree to disagree that they "should have a place to sit". At least on a big weekend. They have a place to sit 80% of the games if not more.

[R2Dawg]

Upper deck extension around to left field would be relatively easy and get all these GA standing but can't see people a seat and a view. Can leave the berms. Even an upper deck in outfield would work.

[Pinto]

In the temporary, I?d like to see them put portable aluminum bleachers behind the berm areas on the concourse.

Also, I think it would be great to put a big permanent bleacher section in right behind the standing room area for students. Right field would rock if it became totally for students.

[Homedawg]

In the temporary, I?d like to see them put portable aluminum bleachers behind the berm areas on the concourse.

Also, I think it would be great to put a big permanent bleacher section in right behind the standing room area for students. Right field would rock if it became totally for students.

We have the nicest stadium in the country. Portable bleachers will make it look cheap. IMO. And if you had portable bleachers there, there would be no way to move around. Anyway it's not happening

[BrunswickDawg]

We have the nicest stadium in the country. Portable bleachers will make it look cheap. IMO. And if you had portable bleachers there, there's would bet no way to move around. Anyway it's not happening

You could actually do it for the back part of the season - say Super Bulldog Weekend thru the Supers. Get the nice portable ones with chair backs like they have at golf tournaments. Wrap the outside with graphics and you would almost not notice them

[Homedawg]

You could actually do it for the back part of the season - say Super Bulldog Weekend thru the Supers. Get the nice portable ones with chair backs like they have at golf tournaments. Wrap the outside with graphics and you would almost not notice them

Where? There wouldn't be room to walk..... I'm sorry there isn't more room for ga. Is what it is.... like I said 80% of the time ga can find a place to be.

[Lord McBuckethead]

The only time SRO has a chance to sit is for midweek nonconference games. We have zero general admission spots. It was a huge issue and mistake during design phase and should have never been allowed to happen. That is a fact.

Now there are ways to correct it. I like the idea of extending the upper deck and turning them slightly for the viewing angle. If done right, you gain approx 1k seats for general admission. 500 each side. Then, when designing the phase 2 of the lofts, make the 1st loft area higher and work in elevated seating area for Students or GA. Take this as opportunity to set up the aesthetic for the future M Club/ football lofts.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Where? There wouldn't be room to walk..... I'm sorry there isn't more room for ga. Is what it is.... like I said 80% of the time ga can find a place to be.
Not until the 7th inning. Until then, bunch of old 17ers didn't show up and they are guarding the seats checking for tickets.

[Todd4State]

They aren't going to add on to the stadium for ga seats. So any addition would only hurt this people who only buy ga tickets. Now I'm ok w an addition. But it's just going to cause more crying from those either can't afford it, don't want to pay for it, or only come to a game or two.

At the same time those people shouldn't be forced to sit on grass or stand. Or pay astronomical amounts of money on the secondary market. I agree that we don't need bleachers. But I do think that they need to have at least a few sections reserved for general admission only.

[Santiago]

How much again was the costs for someone to lease a condo for a season?

[HoopsDawg]

Where? There wouldn't be room to walk..... I'm sorry there isn't more room for ga. Is what it is.... like I said 80% of the time ga can find a place to be.

when do they open up the chairbacks to GA ticket buyers?

[Dawgbite]

How much again was the costs for someone to lease a condo for a season?

I was originally told $52000 per season. I’ve recently been told they are now $62500 per season.

[Homedawg]

I was originally told $52000 per season. I’ve recently been told they are now $62500 per season.

after fees yes. this is the number.

[BrunswickDawg]

Where? There wouldn't be room to walk..... I'm sorry there isn't more room for ga. Is what it is.... like I said 80% of the time ga can find a place to be.

You do something like this behind each concourse running down the foul lines; add another in RF behind the standing drink rail area; and could probably even add another in LF behind the Lounge running from foul pole to the Loft. You put them up every year for SBW and leave them thru Supers (assuming we host). You add additional temp restrooms and concession areas in the area between the Hump and the Dude, and the Dude and Palmerio, and beyond the OF along the fence line. Treat the whole area as part of the baseball complex if needed that time of year and max out attendance options. They do the same thing for the Georgia/Florida football game every year in Jacksonville - adding about 18,000 seats within the stadium above the regular capacity for Jags games. Hell, up the GA price to $20 for those games to cover the costs. It ain't all that hard, the AD just has to want it.

https://inproduction.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/seatingratio-4-1.jpg

[StarkVegasSteve]

They're not going to add chairbacks for GA seating. That would lose the university thousands of dollars unless they were to sell them as GA season tickets with a seat licensing fee and by the sound of most people complaining about no GA seating, mostly on GP and SPS, they only want to come to 1-2 series a year so they wouldn't buy GA season tickets. However, if we add seats I do agree that they MOST DEFINITELY DO NOT need to be cheap looking metal bleachers.

[ScoobaDawg]

You do something like this behind each concourse running down the foul lines; add another in RF behind the standing drink rail area; and could probably even add another in LF behind the Lounge running from foul pole to the Loft. You put them up every year for SBW and leave them thru Supers (assuming we host). You add additional temp restrooms and concession areas in the area between the Hump and the Dude, and the Dude and Palmerio, and beyond the OF along the fence line. Treat the whole area as part of the baseball complex if needed that time of year and max out attendance options. They do the same thing for the Georgia/Florida football game every year in Jacksonville - adding about 18,000 seats within the stadium above the regular capacity for Jags games. Hell, up the GA price to $20 for those games to cover the costs. It ain't all that hard, the AD just has to want it.

https://inproduction.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/seatingratio-4-1.jpg

The only spot that likely works is behind LFL (again you have to get high enough over the 2nd row of LFL). Behind right field lounge the area you would want to put it has the light pole in the middle of it.
Behind 3rd base line, there used to be a batting cage and parking lot right against the stadium. now there is some green space, and it's possible but it needs to be very tall to get up to the stadium height and then clear the concourse.
If you did do both of these you could conceivably butt them against each other (down 3b line across back of LFL) .

1st base line is a lot more difficult due to the way the are dips down towards the hump (you would want something flat ideally) Plus the main sidewalk you would block.. plus trees you would have to cut down..

So all that work... and you would only need it for SBW or a Super Regional likely...


Links - Matt's walkthru, go to 12seconds in and you can see the full 3rd baseline from outside the stadium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eR86fz7bKU
Picture of final design - https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/DNF-Overall-2.jpg

[RiverCityDawg]

There seems to be a prevailing thought that anyone that wants to walk up and buy a ticket to any game and have a seat in the stadium had a right to do so. Where does that idea come from? Just a hold over from the metal bleacher days? Because that's not the way it actually works at high demand sporting venues.

The ticket exchange program needs to be a focus and emphasized so that the chair backs are used if the season ticket holder is not able to go, but otherwise it's just too bad for people that want to go to these big games and don't have tickets and don't want to stand.

A lot of State fans want nice things but don't want the sacrifices required to have those things. More season tickets and premium sitting brings more money. They could have made the whole thing reserved, but left some for the gen admin crowd.

In the end I think they should figure out how to incentivize the use of a ticket exchange program, otherwise it's just tough shit if you can't get one of the few spots on the berms. I say all this as someone without chair-back season tickets.

[viverlibre]

The Berms are nice, but GEneral Admission should have a place to sit. As of now, there are zero general admission tickets. SRO sucks. Some general fans would like to catch a game and not be 20 people deep from the railing.

in bold lettering at the top of my tickets was typed in bold ALL CAPS, "STANDING ROOM ONLY." I knew if i wanted a seat to get there when the gates opened and set up a chair.

[Santiago]

I was originally told $52000 per season. I?ve recently been told they are now $62500 per season.

Do those leasing the condos get 24-7 access throughout the season?

[BrunswickDawg]

The only spot that likely works is behind LFL (again you have to get high enough over the 2nd row of LFL). Behind right field lounge the area you would want to put it has the light pole in the middle of it.
Behind 3rd base line, there used to be a batting cage and parking lot right against the stadium. now there is some green space, and it's possible but it needs to be very tall to get up to the stadium height and then clear the concourse.
If you did do both of these you could conceivably butt them against each other (down 3b line across back of LFL) .

1st base line is a lot more difficult due to the way the are dips down towards the hump (you would want something flat ideally) Plus the main sidewalk you would block.. plus trees you would have to cut down..

So all that work... and you would only need it for SBW or a Super Regional likely...


Links - Matt's walkthru, go to 12seconds in and you can see the full 3rd baseline from outside the stadium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eR86fz7bKU
Picture of final design - https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/DNF-Overall-2.jpg

None of those things are really obstacles. They seem to be able to turn golf courses into luxury stadiums with no problem. I've sat in a luxury suite 20 feet in the air on the 18th green at the PGA event on Sea Island and I've been to the Players in Jax, and none of the ground is flat that they set up the facilities on. Now, does it make economic sense? That would be for the AD to study and determine. It would not make sense for most of the regular season - and I didn't advocate that. But, if you could up attendance at price higher than SRO/GA for SBW and post season it might be worth it.

[R2Dawg]

There seems to be a prevailing thought that anyone that wants to walk up and buy a ticket to any game and have a seat in the stadium had a right to do so. Where does that idea come from? Just a hold over from the metal bleacher days? Because that's not the way it actually works at high demand sporting venues.

The ticket exchange program needs to be a focus and emphasized so that the chair backs are used if the season ticket holder is not able to go, but otherwise it's just too bad for people that want to go to these big games and don't have tickets and don't want to stand.

A lot of State fans want nice things but don't want the sacrifices required to have those things. More season tickets and premium sitting brings more money. They could have made the whole thing reserved, but left some for the gen admin crowd.

In the end I think they should figure out how to incentivize the use of a ticket exchange program, otherwise it's just tough shit if you can't get one of the few spots on the berms. I say all this as someone without chair-back season tickets.

A little extreme with the GA view. When you are full out, your growth stops. On any large seating venue when you reach 80-90% capacity growth will slow and eventually stop. Your low view of people who have GA tickets is not accurate. Planning or not when seats are gone they are gone. If someone wants to pay a ridiculous amount for a game ticket well they have more money than brains.

Point of the original post is people stacked in but can't see is just a waste. I stood and watched a somewhat handicapped girl that couldn't see, it was sad. Luckily a nice girl gave up her spot for the young girl. So is that what we say to our fans - rich or not, loft seats or GA, we are all Bulldogs.

[Maroonthirteen]

I believe one of the biggest improvements of the new stadium to the old is the symmetry of the entire park now.

The old stadium was disjointed. A nice concrete grand stand....then cheap metal bleachers that sat back and below the grand stand and were slightly uncomfortable. Then the LFL was it's own separate place as well.

Everything fits together in this new stadium. The grand stands and berms are one piece. The outfield seating areas are tied in nicely in appearance and with a nice walkway all the way around the park. They really did a good job with those outfield boxes. Also, I believe the way it fits together makes the crowd seem that much louder and on top of the field all the way around. If State goes throwing bleachers up here, there and yander....it will take away from the aesthetic of the place without adding much atmosphere.

As for tickets.....I don't have season tickets. I got into the chairbacks Friday and Sunday. I had to work a little but I was able to find people selling tickets for reasonable prices. (Hint: Don't use stubhub. Look around and ask.) ALso, State has a good ticket transfer system in place that you can buy tickets electronically from one fan to another.

[ScoobaDawg]

None of those things are really obstacles. They seem to be able to turn golf courses into luxury stadiums with no problem. I've sat in a luxury suite 20 feet in the air on the 18th green at the PGA event on Sea Island and I've been to the Players in Jax, and none of the ground is flat that they set up the facilities on. Now, does it make economic sense? That would be for the AD to study and determine. It would not make sense for most of the regular season - and I didn't advocate that. But, if you could up attendance at price higher than SRO/GA for SBW and post season it might be worth it.

I'll agree with you there. I don't know if the economics work out but how about a guaranteed GA seat in the temporary seating for say $20/25 vs the $10 SRO. No idea what the rental cost is. Nor how many seats a segment would hold...

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'll agree with you there. I don't know if the economics work out but how about a guaranteed GA seat in the temporary seating for say $20/25 vs the $10 SRO. No idea what the rental cost is. Nor how many seats a segment would hold...

Where would you put temporary seating? I'm genuinely asking because I don't know where you could put it in our stadium. Because putting it out on the concourse between the lounge and the stadium will impede walking through there and you'd have to elevate it really high if you put it behind the rigs in right and it would bottleneck those gates as well. Actually putting on the right field concourse would bottleneck the gate too.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Do those leasing the condos get 24-7 access throughout the season?

No. I believe you can be in them up to 24 hrs before the start of a series and have to be out of them 24 hrs after the series if I'm not mistaken.

[fishwater99]

Do those leasing the condos get 24-7 access throughout the season?

Yes, that is for the season.

https://hailstate.com/news/2019/1/31/baseball-bulldog-club-announces-rooftop-group-packages-and-loft-rental-details

[ScoobaDawg]

Where would you put temporary seating? I'm genuinely asking because I don't know where you could put it in our stadium. Because putting it out on the concourse between the lounge and the stadium will impede walking through there and you'd have to elevate it really high if you put it behind the rigs in right and it would bottleneck those gates as well. Actually putting on the right field concourse would bottleneck the gate too.

Read up... we discussed the placement on the foul lines and behind lfl

[Lord McBuckethead]

The point is, there is a thing called GENERAL ADMISSION, not standing room only. We have zero general admission areas in the entire stadium. That is what is missing.

[Homedawg]

The point is, there is a thing called GENERAL ADMISSION, not standing room only. We have zero general admission areas in the entire stadium. That is what is missing.

No we do have general admission. The berms. The problem y'all have is they don't hold enough.

[Offshore Dawg]

There seems to be a prevailing thought that anyone that wants to walk up and buy a ticket to any game and have a seat in the stadium had a right to do so. Where does that idea come from? Just a hold over from the metal bleacher days? Because that's not the way it actually works at high demand sporting venues.

The ticket exchange program needs to be a focus and emphasized so that the chair backs are used if the season ticket holder is not able to go, but otherwise it's just too bad for people that want to go to these big games and don't have tickets and don't want to stand.

A lot of State fans want nice things but don't want the sacrifices required to have those things. More season tickets and premium sitting brings more money. They could have made the whole thing reserved, but left some for the gen admin crowd.

In the end I think they should figure out how to incentivize the use of a ticket exchange program, otherwise it's just tough shit if you can't get one of the few spots on the berms. I say all this as someone without chair-back season tickets.

THIS WOULD HELP SOMEWHAT

[MedDawg]

Do we need all three berms? We could build two upper deck sections and one lower deck section of chairbacks to replace just the 3rd baseline berm.

Also, that right field area with the stand-up counters is a little awkward and sort of a waste of space. That could be a student area packed in with more than are there now. Or at least give them bar stools to sit on, then it would become premium general admission.

For that matter, put in bar stools or some sort of built-in tall stools or tall benches along all of the standing counters. Then GA fans would have places to sit and the second row of standing people could see better.

I'm also for letting general admission fans sit in grandstand seats after 1 1/2 innings. Saturday and Sunday I had people sitting in my chairbacks when I came back from the bathroom and again later after I took a lap around the outfield. I got back to my seats and they got up. Simple. My seats are on the aisle second row from the top of the lower section 113, so they are right there enticing people standing in the concourse to jump in.

[MedDawg]

Yes, that is for the season.

https://hailstate.com/news/2019/1/31/baseball-bulldog-club-announces-rooftop-group-packages-and-loft-rental-details

I think people paying the full price for the lofts get to use them throughout the entire year. They are not allowed to let students live in them (and possibly no one can live in them full-time).

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think people paying the full price for the lofts get to use them throughout the entire year. They are not allowed to let students live in them (and possibly no one can live in them full-time).

For individuals that purchased them I believe they can be used for up to 24 hrs before an after a Mississippi State sporting event. You are correct that no one can live in them full time though. I don't really see the point of getting one if you're an individual. There's no way to make any of your money back, unless you were to rent it out every weekend which would defeat the purpose of having one. I mean once the lease period is up you either have to re up or lose it. And maybe that was done by the university so that most would be under their control for weekend rentals.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There seems to be a prevailing thought that anyone that wants to walk up and buy a ticket to any game and have a seat in the stadium had a right to do so. Where does that idea come from? Just a hold over from the metal bleacher days? Because that's not the way it actually works at high demand sporting venues.

The ticket exchange program needs to be a focus and emphasized so that the chair backs are used if the season ticket holder is not able to go, but otherwise it's just too bad for people that want to go to these big games and don't have tickets and don't want to stand.

A lot of State fans want nice things but don't want the sacrifices required to have those things. More season tickets and premium sitting brings more money. They could have made the whole thing reserved, but left some for the gen admin crowd.

In the end I think they should figure out how to incentivize the use of a ticket exchange program, otherwise it's just tough shit if you can't get one of the few spots on the berms. I say all this as someone without chair-back season tickets.

I think the ticket transfer thing has worked pretty well this year. They've made it really easy to use. If we can't go to a midweek we always just use that or screenshot the ticket to someone. Either way works.

[fishwater99]

For individuals that purchased them I believe they can be used for up to 24 hrs before an after a Mississippi State sporting event. You are correct that no one can live in them full time though. I don't really see the point of getting one if you're an individual. There's no way to make any of your money back, unless you were to rent it out every weekend which would defeat the purpose of having one. I mean once the lease period is up you either have to re up or lose it. And maybe that was done by the university so that most would be under their control for weekend rentals.

You can use them all season if toy do a season rental.

"Season Rentals
Arrive for the opening weekend and stay until the final out of the season at Dudy Noble Field with a season-long rental. Come and go as you please, as access to the Left Field Lofts begin in February and run through the last game played at Dudy Noble Field (including postseason events) for the season-long cost of $45,000."

https://hailstate.com/news/2019/1/31/baseball-bulldog-club-announces-rooftop-group-packages-and-loft-rental-details

[Lord McBuckethead]

So.... the berms are for general admission tickets?
I assumed anyone could sit there including SRO tickets.

[Homedawg]

So.... the berms are for general admission tickets?
I assumed anyone could sit there including SRO tickets.

They can

[StarkVegasSteve]

So.... the berms are for general admission tickets?
I assumed anyone could sit there including SRO tickets.

There's no difference between SRO and GA now that the stadium is opened back up.

[Bothrops]

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