New Lineup tonight vs. Southern

[KOdawg1]

Jordan - CF
Allen - RF
James - 3B
Hancock - C
L. Tanner - 1B
Hatcher - LF
Leggett - 2B
Clark - DH
Forsyth - SS

Love it.

[parabrave]

What does Hatcher have compromising Photos

[Saltydog]

Skinner must still be banged up.....

[Saltydog]

Kinda thought Cerantola may start.....He hasn't pitched in two weeks.....

[BeardoMSU]

What does Hatcher have compromising Photos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpURZTsuPF0&ab_channel=KyleKing

[Rex54]

What does Hatcher have compromising Photos

No, he has a swing that gets the ball jumping off the bat. "Josh Hatcher Fried Crow" tour begins tonight! Bring your forks and knives all ye naysayers.

[KOdawg1]

Skinner must still be banged up.....

He has stayed banged up so far in his career.

[Really Clark?]

Skinner banged up and went 1-11 this past weekend. Needs a night rest

[Really Clark?]

What does Hatcher have compromising Photos

Think it’s mainly lefty righty match up to start

[KOdawg1]

Every swing TA took that AB was shitty.

[Really Clark?]

Yeah, soft tossing righty with a lot of run...may take us a few to get adjusted

[Really Clark?]

Every swing TA took that AB was shitty.

That didn’t look good but we don’t see 82 mph with a lot of run away too often either. It’s still a QAB with him fouling off multiple pitches

[Really Clark?]

That was the pitch Logan

[Really Clark?]

Come on UMP, either call it tight or normal. Don’t be switching it up

[Commercecomet24]

And Hatcher still ain't hitting.

[Rex54]

And Hatcher still ain't hitting.

Dude did you not see how he took that pitch in the dirt to get the run in.

[KOdawg1]

Cade Smith making his bulldog debut. He's been out with injuries, but is supposedly up there with Stinnett and Preston Johnson in terms of top options out of the bullpen.

[Really Clark?]

And Hatcher still ain't hitting.

Yep. Two bad swings (although those were harder pitches to hit for a lefty early in the game than many want to believe) then swung at a ball inside and below his knees

[The Federalist Engineer]

Cade Smith in the Game!

Cross on his chest, shows good upbringing, must come from a good family.

Nasty hammer curve

[Really Clark?]

Dude did you not see how he took that pitch in the dirt to get the run in.

Haha. That’s an A for effort for sure. Stand by your man!

[KOdawg1]

Dude did you not see how he took that pitch in the dirt to get the run in.

Okay that's funny. +1

[Rex54]

Haha. That’s an A for effort for sure. Stand by your man!

By my calculations we've scored 100% of our runs this game when 10 is at the plate.

[Commercecomet24]

Ump behind the plate a touch inconsistent so far.

[Really Clark?]

By my calculations we've scored 100% of our runs this game when 10 is at the plate.

Doesn?t count if you can?t put it down as an RBI. Nice try though. Haha

[Homedawg]

Cade looked really good. Congrats base. Lots more of those outings to come!!!

[Commercecomet24]

Hey Base Cade is dealing! Know you're proud!

[Really Clark?]

Ump behind the plate a touch inconsistent so far.

You are being very kind.

[Really Clark?]

Boy that was a strike...this ump is at least equal opportunity in inconsistency

[KOdawg1]

This ump is terrible

[Commercecomet24]

I've got 2 kids I coached since they were 7-8 playing for Southern. Jerry Burkett pitching now and Caleb Tart Freshman SS who's played sparingly. Both good kids and good players.

[Commercecomet24]

Boy that was a strike...this ump is at least equal opportunity in inconsistency

Yep jersey color doesn't matter for his strike zone.

[Really Clark?]

I've got 2 kids I coached since they were 7-8 playing for Southern. Jerry Burkett pitching now and Caleb Tart Freshman SS who's played sparingly. Both good kids and good players.

That’s awesome!!

[Commercecomet24]

That’s awesome!!

Thanks I've been fortunate and had some really good players play travel and showcase ball for me. Got em scattered all over the country playing college ball now.

[Really Clark?]

Wow! That was nasty

[Really Clark?]

Thanks I've been fortunate and had some really good players play travel and showcase ball for me. Got em scattered all over the country playing college ball now.

It’s fun seeing them out there doing it at the college level!!

[Really Clark?]

Control it just a bit Tepper, speed and movement is there. Throw at 95% instead of 110%

[Commercecomet24]

It’s fun seeing them out there doing it at the college level!!

Heck yeah. Watching them grow over the years and seeing them develop makes an old man happy.

[Really Clark?]

There you go. 95% gets you 95 with great movement as well.

[Commercecomet24]

Control it just a bit Tepper, speed and movement is there. Throw at 95% instead of 110%

Tepper stuff is electric just gotta harness it. His change up is filthy

[Really Clark?]

That was a swing...good grief

[Really Clark?]

Heck yeah. Watching them grow over the years and seeing them develop makes an old man happy.

No doubt it does!! Great job working with them!!

[Really Clark?]

Not a bad breaking pitch either CC

[BeardoMSU]

By my calculations we've scored 100% of our runs this game when 10 is at the plate.

Lolz

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/81776516.jpg

[BeardoMSU]

Tepper stuff is electric just gotta harness it. His change up is filthy

Indeed.

[Rex54]

Mmmmmm hmmmmmmmm eat crow bitches

[VandelayIndustries]

Hatch with a rope

[Commercecomet24]

Now maybe Hatcher can clear his head and get going. We do need him. Of course this isn't sec pitching but let's hope that can get him going.

[Really Clark?]

Mmmmmm hmmmmmmmm eat crow bitches

Good hit...crow can’t be served on a SWAC slow breaking ball. He did exactly what he should have with that pitch if he was going to swing at it. Good job but let’s wait and hope it happens against SEC pitching, not SWAC

[Rex54]

Good hit...crow can’t be served on a SWAC slow breaking ball. He did exactly what he should have with that pitch if he was going to swing at it. Good job but let’s wait and hope it happens against SEC pitching, not SWAC

He's been roping the ball into gloves lately. It's not about "clearing his head" or other nonsense you armchair psychologists think. It's about baseball happens so you play a lot of games and it all works out. The ball jumps off his bat so he needs to play.

[basedog]

We have some really good young arms. May be the best young arms ever, time will tell.

[KOdawg1]

Mmmmmm hmmmmmmmm eat crow bitches
There's a 90% chance you're 5'8"

[Commercecomet24]

He's been roping the ball into gloves lately. It's not about "clearing his head" or other nonsense you armchair psychologists think. It's about baseball happens so you play a lot of games and it all works out. The ball jumps off his bat so he needs to play.

Let's just wait and see what happens this weekend before we go crowning him the next Will Clark. He ain't exactly been lighting it up lately.

[Commercecomet24]

We have some really good young arms. May be the best young arms ever, time will tell.

Agreed it's amazing the arms we have.

[Rex54]

Let's just wait and see what happens this weekend before we go crowning him the next Will Clark. He ain't exactly been lighting it up lately.

He's been sending the ball of the bat at high velocities lately.

[Commercecomet24]

He's been sending the ball of the bat at high velocities lately.

Like I said we really need him especially now with the meat of the schedule looming these next 3 weeks. Let's hope he gets on a roll.

[Really Clark?]

He's been roping the ball into gloves lately. It's not about "clearing his head" or other nonsense you armchair psychologists think. It's about baseball happens so you play a lot of games and it all works out. The ball jumps off his bat so he needs to play.

I know I’m farting in the wind with this but hitting a 68 mph looping breaking ball doesn’t scream “He’s back!!” And no, you don’t, colleges don’t, HS teams don’t (if they have any other options) keep marching out someone who is hitting .114 (only 2 SEC players who qualify have a worse average). Players with 100 AB’s is already telling you a lot, striking out 23% of the time in SEC games is telling you a lot. Again, I hope, because we desperately need him to turn it on. Sometimes this one hit is all a player needs but hitting a weak pitcher who doesn’t throw BP speed is not going to excite me

[Homedawg]

Mmmmmm hmmmmmmmm eat crow bitches

I want hatch to hit as much as you do, but you sound like a complete moron saying eat crow. He's 3 for his last forever. As don't start w the bad luck line. I've been watching.

[Commercecomet24]

I want hatch to hit as much as you do, but you sound like a complete moron saying eat crow. He's 3 for his last forever. As don't start w the bad luck line. I've been watching.

Maybe he needs jobu to come and wake up bats.

[Really Clark?]

Maybe he needs jobu to come and wake up bats.

Are you saying Jesus Christ can’t hit a curve ball?!?

[Commercecomet24]

Are you saying Jesus Christ can’t hit a curve ball?!?

Hey let's not turn this into a holy war 😂

[Really Clark?]

Hey let's not turn this into a holy war ��

Haha. One of my favorite baseball movie scenes

[Commercecomet24]

Haha. One of my favorite baseball movie scenes

Same here! It wouldn't be so funny if it didn't have a lot of truth behind it!

Baseball players are a different breed.

[Really Clark?]

Same here! It wouldn't be so funny if it didn't have a lot of truth behind it!

Baseball players are a different breed.

Ain’t that the truth

[BeardoMSU]

Hey let's not turn this into a holy war 😂

Very bad to drink Jobu's rum.

[Really Clark?]

Goodness. We some extremely talented young arms. Some filthy stuff from them as well

[KOdawg1]

Logan Tanner's average down to .239

[Commercecomet24]

Very bad to drink Jobu's rum.

Is very bad!

[Commercecomet24]

Logan Tanner's average down to .239

Looks like he's collapsing his backside and that back foot is skating an awful
lot.

[Really Clark?]

You can’t pull that pitch Hatcher

[Homedawg]

One thing is a guy that's in a funk, like Hatcher rest assured he's gonna be 0-2, 1-2 count every ab. It's amazing.

[parabrave]

Hey let's not turn this into a holy war ��

Get me a chicken. A live one

[Really Clark?]

One thing is a guy that's in a funk, like Hatcher rest assured he's gonna be 0-2, 1-2 count every ab. It's amazing.

That true. He didn’t help himself this AB with that aborted bunt attempt either

[Really Clark?]

He’s not there yet but there is a lot to like about Clark’s swing

[Commercecomet24]

One thing is a guy that's in a funk, like Hatcher rest assured he's gonna be 0-2, 1-2 count every ab. It's amazing.

Yep it never fails. Been there done that!

[Really Clark?]

Wow...feel for that kid

[Rex54]

One thing is a guy that's in a funk, like Hatcher rest assured he's gonna be 0-2, 1-2 count every ab. It's amazing.

Lol here comes the reaching. And no, you can go back and look at the box scores and see this anecdote is incorrect.

[BeardoMSU]

Wow...feel for that kid

"Well he put a great charge on the ball...got his glove on it...almost caught it...but just bad luck...he'll make us eat crow next time"

- Rex54

[KOdawg1]

Well Rowdy's back

[Rex54]

"Well he put a great charge on the ball...got his glove on it...almost caught it...but just bad luck...he'll make us eat crow next time"

- Rex54

Are you watching Avengers or Captain Marvel tonight?

[BeardoMSU]

Well Rowdy's back

Killed it.

[BeardoMSU]

Are you watching Avengers or Captain Marvel tonight?

Ok, Pillow Pants.

[Really Clark?]

He’s safe

[Ari Gold]

There is one thing for sure.. Hatchers mom I mean Rex54 is going to die on her sons hill no matter the outcome.
Going forward I would take 2 hits For the weekend with a walk right now from Hatcher..

[HoopsDawg]

We have some really good young arms. May be the best young arms ever, time will tell.

I can see a weekend rotation of Cade, Fristoe, and Tepper with Sims out of the pen. That's nasty.

[KOdawg1]

Lol here comes the reaching. And no, you can go back and look at the box scores and see this anecdote is incorrect.

Hatcher's last 15 ABs:

Groundout, 1-2 count
Double, 1-2 count
Groundout, 2-2 count
Groundout 2-1 count
Groundout 1-0 count
Strikeout, 2-2 count
Double play, 2-1 count
Groundout, 0-0 count
Groundout 1-2 count
Flyout, 3-2 count
Strikeout, 0-2 count
Groundout, 0-1 count
Strikeout, 1-2 count
Groundout, 1-2 count
Foul out, 1-0 count

Not every AB, but more times than not.

[Rex54]

Hatcher's last 15 ABs:

Groundout, 1-2 count
Double, 1-2 count
Groundout, 2-2 count
Groundout 2-1 count
Groundout 1-0 count
Strikeout, 2-2 count
Double play, 2-1 count
Groundout, 0-0 count
Groundout 1-2 count
Flyout, 3-2 count
Strikeout, 0-2 count
Groundout, 0-1 count
Strikeout, 1-2 count
Groundout, 1-2 count
Foul out, 1-0 count

Not every AB, but more times than not.

More times than not? 6/15 = <50%

[Cowbell]

Hatcher's last 15 ABs:

Groundout, 1-2 count
Double, 1-2 count
Groundout, 2-2 count
Groundout 2-1 count
Groundout 1-0 count
Strikeout, 2-2 count
Double play, 2-1 count
Groundout, 0-0 count
Groundout 1-2 count
Flyout, 3-2 count
Strikeout, 0-2 count
Groundout, 0-1 count
Strikeout, 1-2 count
Groundout, 1-2 count
Foul out, 1-0 count

Not every AB, but more times than not.

This is the definition of liability

[bulldogcountry1]

When you put it that way...

[Rex54]

This is the definition of liability

Watch the games. Exit velo off bat. Hard outs. More upside than anyone on the bench, not even close. You all are stupid you all will look stupid as he rakes the rest of the year.

[KOdawg1]

More times than not? 6/15 = <50%

While we're looking at the numbers, he sure does ground out and strikeout a lot for a guy whose ball "jumps off the bat"

[Really Clark?]

More times than not? 6/15 = <50%

Not a big change but it’s actually 7/15. His fly out on the 3-2 count started 1-2 before going full

[HoopsDawg]

While we're looking at the numbers, he sure does ground out and strikeout a lot for a guy whose ball "jumps off the bat"

Yes, his biggest problem is pitch selection. His 2nd biggest problem is he hits too many balls on the ground. If he could elevate the ball and swing at strikes his average would sky rocket.

[BeardoMSU]

Watch the games. Exit velo off bat. Hard outs. More upside than anyone on the bench, not even close. You all are stupid you all will look stupid as he rakes the rest of the year.

When you inevitability get banned, your new user name has to be something along the lines of "Will sniff Hatcher's jock strap for free".***

[Rex54]

While we're looking at the numbers, he sure does ground out and strikeout a lot for a guy whose ball "jumps off the bat"

18% K rate is not "a lot"

Cumbest at 31% is "a lot"

[Really Clark?]

Nice piece of hitting Pementel

[Rex54]

Not a big change but it’s actually 7/15. His fly out on the 3-2 count started 1-2 before going full

And what is the average on the team? You can't pull this silliness without a baseline

[KOdawg1]

18% K rate is not "a lot"

Cumbest at 31% is "a lot"

19%*

[HoopsDawg]

I hate that we PH for Clark. He needs the AB's.

[Really Clark?]

18% K rate is not "a lot"

Cumbest at 31% is "a lot"

23% in SEC play and 20% prior to tonight

Cumbest is hitting .571 in SEC play and 14% K rate (very small sample obviously)

[Lord McBuckethead]

Hatcher is in a slump, but he will work out of it.

[Really Clark?]

And what is the average on the team? You can't pull this silliness without a baseline

I’ll let you figure out all of our players counts for each AB and come up with the percentage. I said it wasn’t a big deal but the correct number was 7/15

[KOdawg1]

Hatcher is in a slump, but he will work out of it.

He most certainly will. It's hard to get worse really. And no one thinks he won't.

All that was said was he may need to sit for a game or two, and Mrs. Hatcher shit her pants.

[Lord McBuckethead]

All of our hitters look like they are tucking their elbows in too far before the pitch. Looks like they are putting their swing into a bind before they even start loading up.

Kind of like standing too close to the golf ball.

[Commercecomet24]

Maybe we should start a thread just devoted to Hatcher

[Lord McBuckethead]

I always feel like he is probably the 4th best hitter on the team, he just has a terrible stretch going back 4 weeks. He needs to bang a heavy chick.

[Rex54]

Hatcher is in a slump, but he will work out of it.

If he was in a slump he wouldn't be making piss-rod outs all the time. You can tell a slump with a huge jump in strikeouts (not happening) and a lack of hard contact (not happening). This is why you play so many games it all works out but the lack of K's and getting hard contact say he's fine.

[Really Clark?]

All of our hitters look like they are tucking their elbows in too far before the pitch. Looks like they are putting their swing into a bind before they even start loading up.

Kind of like standing too close to the golf ball.

Things that happen prior to a pitch are not absolutes and can be disregarded a lot of the time. Look at what is going on at load through extension. However, a lot of players do that to engage the scap load right before the pitch to go into load position.

[Rex54]

When you inevitability get banned, your new user name has to be something along the lines of "Will sniff Hatcher's jock strap for free".***

Lay off the soy latte's and Marvel movies

[KOdawg1]

I wish we had two midweek games so our pitchers could get more innings.

[Really Clark?]

If he was in a slump he wouldn't be making piss-rod outs all the time. You can tell a slump with a huge jump in strikeouts (not happening) and a lack of hard contact (not happening). This is why you play so many games it all works out but the lack of K's and getting hard contact say he's fine.

Prior to tonight he has had an increase of K’s though. 30% his last 20 AB’s

[HoopsDawg]

I wish we had two midweek games so our pitchers could get more innings.

We should be able to pick up a couple of mid week games later in the year. Hopefully they won't be against SWAC teams.

[Rex54]

Prior to tonight he has had an increase of K’s though. 30% his last 20 AB’s

You're going to come in with a sample size of 20? The reaching you people are doing is insane. Hard contact. No significant increase in strikeouts. Dude is fine

[Really Clark?]

That was smoked

[HoopsDawg]

Cumbest goes yard on a breaking ball. Good to see. I wish he had a little uppercut in his swing.

[Really Clark?]

You're going to come in with a sample size of 20? The reaching you people are doing is insane. Hard contact. No significant increase in strikeouts. Dude is fine

20 AB’s is a little over 20% of his total AB’s but more importantly, it is his LAST 20 AB’s that completely debunks your statement that he hasn’t had an increase in K’s. 6 of his 19 K’s came over his last 20 AB’s which definitely contradicts your statement that he hasn’t had an increase in K’s. He absolutely has.

[Really Clark?]

Another smash!

[HoopsDawg]

Cumbest and Pimentel making their case for more AB's.

[Really Clark?]

Missed that one Kyte

[KOdawg1]

I think I'd be okay bringing Cerantola in now with us up by 2 touchdowns

[Really Clark?]

I wish Cert could figure it out this back half of the season. So much stuff

[Really Clark?]

Good lord what break

[Dawgcap]

Y?all as inconsistent as Cerantola has been. His stuff is filthy! I?m so rooting for him. He is a key piece of the puzzle to get to Omaha

[Rex54]

20 AB?s is a little over 20% of his total AB?s but more importantly, it is his LAST 20 AB?s that completely debunks your statement that he hasn?t had an increase in K?s. 6 of his 19 K?s came over his last 20 AB?s which definitely contradicts your statement that he hasn?t had an increase in K?s. He absolutely has.

If you want to take a 20 AB stretch and want to apply any statistical significance to that the K% better be damn north of 75%.

30% K rate in 20 AB's.... it's sheer stupidity to say that means anything.

[Dawgcap]

If Cerantola figures it out he will be so nasty. Reminds me of the issues Cole Gordon had. Once he figured it out he became pretty amazing. Funny thing is Cerantolas stuff is way better

[HoopsDawg]

Y?all as inconsistent as Cerantola has been. His stuff is filthy! I?m so rooting for him. He is a key piece of the puzzle to get to Omaha

Disagree on key piece to Omaha. But I hope he continues to get midweek work.

[HoopsDawg]

If you want to take a 20 AB stretch and want to apply any statistical significance to that the K% better be damn north of 75%.

30% K rate in 20 AB's.... it's sheer stupidity to say that means anything.

I hope Hatcher gets it going soon. But at this point, Cumbest has earned more AB's. So either Hancock to first and Cumbest to DH. Or Allen to first and Cumbest to RF.

[Commercecomet24]

My boy Caleb getting an ab. He's gonna be a good one!

[Dawgcap]

Disagree on key piece to Omaha. But I hope he continues to get midweek work.
Totally agree at this point. But if he finds consistency we have an amazing help at closing doors in tough situations. Starting is probably over but consistent command he becomes so important in weekend situations

[Really Clark?]

If you want to take a 20 AB stretch and want to apply any statistical significance to that the K% better be damn north of 75%.

30% K rate in 20 AB's.... it's sheer stupidity to say that means anything.

No it’s stupid to say he hasn’t had an increase in his K’s when it’s false. To go from a 17.3% K rate over his first 75 AB’s to a 30% K rate is a jump and a concerning one. 12.7% higher over his last 20 AB’s. To go further, which I know is meaningless to you, Saber metrics only needs 60 PA to decided a K rate is meaningful stat and not just an anomaly. So a full third of that number of his last AB’s gives us a definite rise within that subset of data. If someone is striking out 75% of the time over 20 AB’s and you think it’s only then they are in a slump? You are clueless

[Rex54]

No it’s stupid to say he hasn’t had an increase in his K’s when it’s false. To go from a 17.3% K rate over his first 75 AB’s to a 30% K rate is a jump and a concerning one. 12.7% higher over his last 20 AB’s. To go further, which I know is meaningless to you, Saber metrics only needs 60 PA to decided a K rate is meaningful stat and not just an anomaly. So a full third of that number of his last AB’s gives us a definite rise within that subset of data. If someone is striking out 75% of the time over 20 AB’s and you think it’s only then they are in a slump? You are clueless

I agree if he maintains a 30% K rate over the next 40 AB's then you are on to something. But until then you are a moron, as your own post indicates. You can't take 20 AB's and extrapolate anything let alone such a minute jump! Which was my point, it would take a 75+% rate in that small sample to be meaningful.

[Cowbell]

Hatcher starting over Cumbest no longer can happen. Cumbest has earned it.

[Rex54]

I mean holt shit the absolute stupidity. I guarandamntee you I could randomly pick 10 SEC hitters and 9 would have a 20 AB stretch during the season where their K% jumps 12% from their norm. I mean the absolute ****ing stupidity! Do you really maintain that a 20% K guy is going to automatically just K exactly 2 times every 10 AB's methodically throughout the whole season?! Of course not..... You might have two games where you K 5 times. You might have 4 games where you K once. It doesn't mean anything. It's sheer randomness of a baseball season. You can't cherry-pick 20 AB's and draw ANY significance unless someone damn near K's 20 times in those 20 AB's.

Dummy.

[Schultzy]

Sweet swing but too soft for SEC pitching, needs to stop being a puss.

[Rex54]

Hatcher starting over Cumbest no longer can happen. Cumbest has earned it.

Nah

[Dawgcap]

Whatever some believe the talent of Hatcher and Cerantola are mandatory for winning. These 2 are so talented and with them playing too their potential is so imperative. I understand the questions but we need these guys.

[Schultzy]

#5 needs to get rid of his batting avg swing and start attacking as well.

[Dawgcap]

#5 needs to get rid of his batting avg swing and start attacking as well.

Truth

[Schultzy]

Whatever some believe the talent of Hatcher and Cerantola are mandatory for winning. These 2 are so talented and with them playing too their potential is so imperative. I understand the questions but we need these guys.
It’s not talent IMO it’s mindset.

[Really Clark?]

I agree if he maintains a 30% K rate over the next 40 AB's then you are on to something. But until then you are a moron, as your own post indicates. You can't take 20 AB's and extrapolate anything let alone such a minute jump! Which was my point, it would take a 75+% rate in that small sample to be meaningful.

Uh...that is exactly what is done in baseball. Every single day. Heck in game decisions are made on what players have done in that one game much less over 20 AB’s. This is EXACTLY what baseball does. It is all about subset of data collection and applying that knowledge to every single pitch, AB, and game, splits, etc., etc. etc. You are the only one showing your ignorance. 20 AB’s absolutely gives you very important information.

A simple metric is using a couple points of his raw data for the season and that gives us an idea of how he is hitting. You take his average of .200 (.114 in SEC play), K rate for the year of 20% (23% in SEC play) and his walk rate of 7% (less than 3% in SEC play). Just with those few raw numbers we know his plate discipline has been absolutely horrible because those walk rates are at best below average and in SEC play anything below 4% is absolutely awful. That directly correlates to his contact or lack there of in his case since he is hitting only .200 (.114 in the SEC). The overall and SEC total K rate is actually the best of his stats of those 3, being considered average to below average. But with that increasing over the last 20 AB’s, and you see his average has plummeted .074 points since the LSU series. They work together to paint a picture of someone who is in a bad slump and his plate discipline is a huge factor with his K rate increase, decrease in walks (such as they were to begin with) and his average plummeting .074 points means that he is also having a lot of bad contact.

Again. I hope and pray that tonight gets him started because this type of slump is horrible to go through. But make no mistake he has been in a slump.

[Dawgcap]

It’s not talent IMO it’s mindset.
Sorry. That was the point I was trying to make. We need them to find the mindset to use their gifts. These 2 guys have amazing talent they just don?t trust it. Others struggle for a bit and come out of it. These 2 need to be trusted a bit longer. When they get it I say we are gonna say Holy hell!! I for one hope we give them a chance to climb out of their self doubt. I have no doubt they are difference makers

[Cowbell]

Nah

I picture Marie Barone shaking her head as someone talks bad about Raymond...

[Commercecomet24]

Uh...that is exactly what is done in baseball. Every single day. Heck in game decisions are made on what players have done in that one game much less over 20 AB’s. This is EXACTLY what baseball does. It is all about subset of data collection and applying that knowledge to every single pitch, AB, and game, splits, etc., etc. etc. You are the only one showing your ignorance. 20 AB’s absolutely gives you very important information.

A simple metric is using a couple points of his raw data for the season and that gives us an idea of how he is hitting. You take his average of .200 (.114 in SEC play), K rate for the year of 20% (23% in SEC play) and his walk rate of 7% (less than 3% in SEC play). Just with those few raw numbers we know his plate discipline has been absolutely horrible because those walk rates are at best below average and in SEC play anything below 4% is absolutely awful. That directly correlates to his contact or lack there of in his case since he is hitting only .200 (.114 in the SEC). The overall and SEC total K rate is actually the best of his stats of those 3, being considered average to below average. But with that increasing over the last 20 AB’s, and you see his average has plummeted .074 points since the LSU series. They work together to paint a picture of someone who is in a bad slump and his plate discipline is a huge factor with his K rate increase, decrease in walks (such as they were to begin with) and his average plummeting .074 points means that he is also having a lot of bad contact.

Again. I hope and pray that tonight gets him started because this type of slump is horrible to go through. But make no mistake he has been in a slump.

Dead on balls accurate!

[Rex54]

Uh...that is exactly what is done in baseball. Every single day. Heck in game decisions are made on what players have done in that one game much less over 20 AB’s. This is EXACTLY what baseball does. It is all about subset of data collection and applying that knowledge to every single pitch, AB, and game, splits, etc., etc. etc. You are the only one showing your ignorance. 20 AB’s absolutely gives you very important information.

A simple metric is using a couple points of his raw data for the season and that gives us an idea of how he is hitting. You take his average of .200 (.114 in SEC play), K rate for the year of 20% (23% in SEC play) and his walk rate of 7% (less than 3% in SEC play). Just with those few raw numbers we know his plate discipline has been absolutely horrible because those walk rates are at best below average and in SEC play anything below 4% is absolutely awful. That directly correlates to his contact or lack there of in his case since he is hitting only .200 (.114 in the SEC). The overall and SEC total K rate is actually the best of his stats of those 3, being considered average to below average. But with that increasing over the last 20 AB’s, and you see his average has plummeted .074 points since the LSU series. They work together to paint a picture of someone who is in a bad slump and his plate discipline is a huge factor with his K rate increase, decrease in walks (such as they were to begin with) and his average plummeting .074 points means that he is also having a lot of bad contact.

Again. I hope and pray that tonight gets him started because this type of slump is horrible to go through. But make no mistake he has been in a slump.

Where in this gibberish do you mention "exit velocity" or "piss-rod outs". This is why blind numbers are retarded, watch the damn games. Watch the ball explode off his bat. Team leader in doubles and you all want to bench him for a football player. Unreal.

Since you are one of these statfreaks, surely you understand BABIP. Coming into tonight Hatcher's was .240 on the year. College BABIP runs higher than MLB and Hatcher being more of a line drive ground ball hitter instead of flying out would normally run higher than college average. So we see there the massive impact of bad luck so far seeing as the ball is flying off his bat.

Hatcher 2018 BABIP - .333
Hatcher 2019 BABIP - .402
Hatcher 2020 BABIP - .340
Hatcher 2021 BABIP - .240 (screams unlucky!)

But go one and tell me how 2 extra K's in 5 games is "meaningful". Fool.

[Todd4State]

Where in this gibberish do you mention "exit velocity" or "piss-rod outs". This is why blind numbers are retarded, watch the damn games. Watch the ball explode off his bat. Team leader in doubles and you all want to bench him for a football player. Unreal.

Since you are one of these statfreaks, surely you understand BABIP. Coming into tonight Hatcher's was .240 on the year. College BABIP runs higher than MLB and Hatcher being more of a line drive ground ball hitter instead of flying out would normally run higher than college average. So we see there the massive impact of bad luck so far seeing as the ball is flying off his bat.

Hatcher 2018 BABIP - .333
Hatcher 2019 BABIP - .402
Hatcher 2020 BABIP - .340
Hatcher 2021 BABIP - .240 (screams unlucky!)

But go one and tell me how 2 extra K's in 5 games is "meaningful". Fool.

Is this guy Will James?

[Todd4State]

Y?all as inconsistent as Cerantola has been. His stuff is filthy! I?m so rooting for him. He is a key piece of the puzzle to get to Omaha

I think his only path to help us is in the bullpen. IF he can become a one inning closer type that opens us up to using Sims and Smith both as long relievers. And then we have Preston Johnson and Parker Stinnett.

[Really Clark?]

Where in this gibberish do you mention "exit velocity" or "piss-rod outs". This is why blind numbers are retarded, watch the damn games. Watch the ball explode off his bat. Team leader in doubles and you all want to bench him for a football player. Unreal.

Since you are one of these statfreaks, surely you understand BABIP. Coming into tonight Hatcher's was .240 on the year. College BABIP runs higher than MLB and Hatcher being more of a line drive ground ball hitter instead of flying out would normally run higher than college average. So we see there the massive impact of bad luck so far seeing as the ball is flying off his bat.

Hatcher 2018 BABIP - .333
Hatcher 2019 BABIP - .402
Hatcher 2020 BABIP - .340
Hatcher 2021 BABIP - .240 (screams unlucky!)

But go one and tell me how 2 extra K's in 5 games is "meaningful". Fool.

Actually his lower BABIP this season is telling us what we see when we chart his hits. Weak contact with a ton of pull contact into the defense and shifts. That is a major point of a decreasing BABIP in a hitter. But to be fair, with BABIP stat, that stat needs to be taken over about 800 balls in play to see a players average. So you also have to consider that his 2019 BABIP was well above what it should have been. What you look at during a single season is how big is a players BABIP difference from his average and what his chart is telling you. Is it a lot more points higher or lower? Is this season a natural adjustment from a season that was anomaly high or vice versa. Then we can start drawing a conclusion that they may have been lucky or unlucky possibly.

When trying to determine if there will be a regression or upward swing you do have to take care that it may not happen during a college or HS season as they just don?t get the enormous plate appearances that you do over 162 games in the majors. Also, that stat is slightly more meaningful for a pitcher vs hitter as the hitter has more control over the outcome vs a pitcher. So the fact his BABIP is so low and coincides with his low AVG. (it?s 3-4 hits difference between the 2), then compare his OPS to that (lowest by far of anyone with at least 50 AB?s on the team, including Debrule, not even .600)...whatever lack of luck you think he is having, it?s minuscule at best. Let?s be generous and say it?s 4-6 hits this season. But that?s over the whole season. Still does not change he has had an increase in K?s which is has impacted his BABIP as well. More strikeouts, higher the BABIP. That is completely on the hitter

He struck out 4 times just this weekend...it was a terrible series overall for him. And he would tell you the same thing.

[Really Clark?]

Is this guy Will James?

Good question

[Commercecomet24]

Is this guy Will James?

Look curveball and adjust to the fastball lol!

[KOdawg1]

Is this guy Will James?

Based on the 5 year old name calling, I'd say yes

[BeardoMSU]

Based on the 5 year old name calling, I'd say yes

Y'all morons, fools, idiots...since the sex change, its Jill Wames now.**

[Todd4State]

Look curveball and adjust to the fastball lol!

It never gets old! LOL!

[Really Clark?]

Look curveball and adjust to the fastball lol!

I had forgot about that...that was a classic show of ignorance. Lol

[basedog]

Man this Hatcher talk is old, I wish it was more about the game than a player. Seems all pitchers did ok (I know it's a Swac team), and we finally hit the ball ok (again I know who we played), LOL.

[Tbonewannabe]

Man this Hatcher talk is old, I wish it was more about the game than a player. Seems all pitchers did ok (I know it's a Swac team), and we finally hit the ball ok (again I know who we played), LOL.

We didn't hit the ball well until the 6th or so inning which is concerning. That SWAC team held us to one earned run through 5 or so innings with about 3 hits. That isn't what a top 5 team should be doing with a SWAC team. It also wasn't just one pitcher having a career day. They changed pitchers almost every inning just like we did.

[basedog]

We didn't hit the ball well until the 6th or so inning which is concerning. That SWAC team held us to one earned run through 5 or so innings with about 3 hits. That isn't what a top 5 team should be doing with a SWAC team. It also wasn't just one pitcher having a career day. They changed pitchers almost every inning just like we did.

I agree, my point was let's move on about the Hatcher slump. Seems this team has a pattern of not getting off to a fast start. We are not going to hit much or score many runs as it looks, lets hope we can continue to pitch well and improve on defense. Allen only hitter in lineup hitting over .300, that is tough.

[Rex54]

Man this Hatcher talk is old, I wish it was more about the game than a player. Seems all pitchers did ok (I know it's a Swac team), and we finally hit the ball ok (again I know who we played), LOL.

I agree, I've made my point that you need to watch the games to see the above-average hard contact, ground balls that move the runners, etc and not just look at the stat line. Apologies for calling you fools (except Beardo who is probably watching Captain Marvel for the 100th time). We're a national title contender and are primed for another big sweep this weekend. Hail State.

[The Federalist Engineer]

I agree, my point was let's move on about the Hatcher slump. Seems this team has a pattern of not getting off to a fast start. We are not going to hit much or score many runs as it looks, lets hope we can continue to pitch well and improve on defense. Allen only hitter in lineup hitting over .300, that is tough.

In SEC play, we only have Rowdey Jordan hitting above 300 (at 333).

We have 5 players below 220 (Tanner, Skinner, Dubrule, Hancock, and Hatcher)

We have 4 players at or below 200 (Skinner, Dubrule, Hancock, and Hatcher)

Mendoza Starters By SEC School (SEC ABs Only)

UK - 5
UT - 4
UF - 4
MO - 4
SC - 4
MS - 4
AR - 3
AU - 3
UA - 3
LS - 3
AM - 2
UG - 1
VU - 0
OM - 0

[The Federalist Engineer]

FYI

300+ Hitters by SEC School (SEC ABs Only)

VU - 4
UM - 3 (Elko included)
UT - 3
AU - 3
TAM - 3
UA - 3
AR - 2
UG - 2
MO - 2
UF - 2
UK - 2
MS - 1
LS - 1
UG - 0

[BrunswickDawg]

In SEC play, we only have Rowdey Jordan hitting above 300 (at 333).

We have 5 players below 220 (Tanner, Skinner, Dubrule, Hancock, and Hatcher)

We have 4 players at or below 200 (Skinner, Dubrule, Hancock, and Hatcher)

Mendoza Starters By SEC School (SEC ABs Only)

UK - 5
UT - 4
UF - 4
MO - 4
SC - 4
MS - 4
AR - 3
AU - 3
UA - 3
LS - 3
AM - 2
UG - 1
VU - 0
OM - 0


FYI

300+ Hitters by SEC School (SEC ABs Only)

VU - 4
UM - 3 (Elko included)
UT - 3
AU - 3
TAM - 3
UA - 3
AR - 2
UG - 2
MO - 2
UF - 2
UK - 2
MS - 1
LS - 1
UG - 0

So what you are saying is - in general pitching in the SEC is ahead of hitting, and that hitting right now is a good bit about who you have played so far. Outside of Vandy and OM no one looks like they are outstanding on offense right now.

[basedog]

I'm afraid for us and others in the Sec, things are gonna get tougher with all the competition in the league. I'm a little concerned about this weekend as well as the next 3 series. It's gonna tell us a lot about our team.

[The Federalist Engineer]

So what you are saying is - in general pitching in the SEC is ahead of hitting, and that hitting right now is a good bit about who you have played so far. Outside of Vandy and OM no one looks like they are outstanding on offense right now.

Season is young, but yeah. The hitters are getting owned. Compared to 2019.

In 2019, there were only 10 starters in the SEC hitting 200 and below after 30 games.

This year there are 40 starters in the SEC hitting 200 and below after 9 games.

LSU only got 12 hits on Vandy this past week. South Carolina got 12 hits total and one game was a No-Hitter. Mizzou got 15 hits on Vandy.

Seems the small ball and bunt is back in play if you can't platoon or find players willing to adjust.

[Tbonewannabe]

So what you are saying is - in general pitching in the SEC is ahead of hitting, and that hitting right now is a good bit about who you have played so far. Outside of Vandy and OM no one looks like they are outstanding on offense right now.

I just wish it was SEC pitching that made us look bad at the plate. We had to go through about 5 guys at Southern before we started hitting them. SWAC guys will randomly have good games against the SEC but not 4-5 different pitchers shutting us down.

[BrunswickDawg]

I just wish it was SEC pitching that made us look bad at the plate. We had to go through about 5 guys at Southern before we started hitting them. SWAC guys will randomly have good games against the SEC but not 4-5 different pitchers shutting us down.

We scored in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th. We got at least 1 hit off every pitcher they put in, and got walks off all but 1. We scored runs on 5 of their 7 pitchers. Did we jump all of them for big innings? No, just 2 of them. where we productive all night? I'd consider it a yes. Even against SWAC teams, we aren't going to blast them inning after inning. WE had productive innings. Took advantage of their mistakes, and had productive outs. Those things built to an eventual big couple of innings.

[Really Clark?]

We scored in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th. We got at least 1 hit off every pitcher they put in, and got walks off all but 1. We scored runs on 5 of their 7 pitchers. Did we jump all of them for big innings? No, just 2 of them. where we productive all night? I'd consider it a yes. Even against SWAC teams, we aren't going to blast them inning after inning. WE had productive innings. Took advantage of their mistakes, and had productive outs. Those things built to an eventual big couple of innings.

True. And UM was tied 1-1 with Alcorn until bottom of the 6th, won 8-1. Vandy and UT Martin was back forth all night, Vandy took a 5-4 lead in the bottom of the 6th and neither team scored again. Sam Houston beat A&M last night after being down 5-1 after 2 innings. These were all staff pitching games for the weaker teams. Jacksonville beat 17 FSU. Portland beat 19 Oregon. Florida beat Stetson 7-6. USC Upstate beat 15 GA Tech

[Tbonewannabe]

[QUOTE=BrunswickDawg;1317599]We scored in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th. We got at least 1 hit off every pitcher they put in, and got walks off all but 1. We scored runs on 5 of their 7 pitchers. Did we jump all of them for big innings? No, just 2 of them. where we productive all night? I'd consider it a yes. Even against SWAC teams, we aren't going to blast them inning after inning. WE had productive innings. Took advantage of their mistakes, and had productive outs. Those things built to an eventual big couple of innings.[/QUOTE

It was the third inning before we even hit it out of the infield. We scored most of our runs before the sixth off of errors that SEC teams just don't do. Most of our hitters did not look good until late. Rowdy did look better though.

[Coach34]

Rowdy is waking up
Skinner can play he just needs to be healthy
Allen is solid
James will perform
Tanner and Hancock are who they are

We got to figure something out with the rest.

Again I ask- why not give Cumbest a whole weekend? He's damn near hitting .400 this season? He cant be worse than Hatcher.

[WinningIsRelentless]

Rowdy is waking up
Skinner can play he just needs to be healthy
Allen is solid
James will perform
Tanner and Hancock are who they are

We got to figure something out with the rest.

Again I ask- why not give Cumbest a whole weekend? He's damn near hitting .400 this season? He cant be worse than Hatcher.

Or McDonald