Time to get something done.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

I mean when is enough gonna be enough. The only logical move is to fire McCray. Period. The program has been demolished as is. No need to continue forward on this train. Who in their right mind will want to come to state to play?

[msstate7]

How much is her buyout? Is that amount worth paying when the damage is already done?

[basedog]

Way too many bad things must be going on! Somebody needs to step up to the mic and do some explaining.

[BeardoMSU]

How much is her buyout? Is that amount worth paying when the damage is already done?

Also, who would want to inherit this shit show now?

[msstate7]

Also, who would want to inherit this shit show now?

I think at this point you have to give here her contract term to try and fix what she broke.

[BeardoMSU]

I think at this point you have to give here her contract term to try and fix what she broke.

Agreed; pretty much have too.

[viverlibre]

Hire Blair!

[R2Dawg]

Way too many bad things must be going on! Somebody needs to step up to the mic and do some explaining.

Has anyone in charge said anything? Someone should address this season and where the program is going.

[BeardoMSU]

Hire Blair!

Yes, lets hire someone literally no one else in D-1 would hire to be their HC.

Unless you mean Gary, lol....then yes....lets throw 5 mil at him and make him say no.**

[klong-dog]

The last thing I've heard from her, shortly after the season... was "we have 8 committed players to this program" i think that was probably counting Hayes and Matharu. What a shit show of epic proportions.

[Saltydog]

She's going nowhere and will just say that she had to rid the program of "malcontents" and needed kids that would buy into her system. If we'd only lost one or two you would think the program might be salvageable. Not necessarily good but salvageable but at this point that's out of the question. This mf'er has sunk faster than a boat w/o a hull. It's a bad look for Cohen and I'm sure he's getting some pressure but neither he nor any of the other MSU brass has enough guts to do the right thing and fire her sorry ass. I mean, you have to try damn hard to eff this one up as bad as she did. I know of jr high coaches that wouldn't have screwed it up this bad.

[R2Dawg]

The last thing I've heard from her, shortly after the season... was "we have 8 committed players to this program" i think that was probably counting Hayes and Matharu. What a shit show of epic proportions.

From the looks of those leaving and staying, we don't have 8 that are committed at least to basketball.

[RocketDawg]

How much is her buyout? Is that amount worth paying when the damage is already done?

We won 10 games over all, 5 of them in the SEC. That's $75,000 per win, $150,000 per conference win. That's enough - shouldn't be a buyout.

[StarkVegasSteve]

She'll probably get 3 years. She'll be able to spin it that this is her getting rid of the people who didn't want to be here and once she gets her players in here she'll be able to build a winner her way. She's already got the blowing everything up down to a T. NBA teams needing a rebuild really ought to consider her for their coaching jobs. I've never seen someone blow up a team this fast.

[BuckyIsAB****]

She should be fired. Yesterday

[The Federalist Engineer]

Also, who would want to inherit this shit show now?

Yes, it seems the ship is sunk. All the McDonalds All Americans that Vic recruited after his incredible success are Gone, except one last player.

Who wants to Captain the Titanic today? Its a cautionary tale.

[DownwardDawg]

Wow. I just saw the latest transfer. Coach should be released tonight.

[99jc]

17 THAT CRAP SEND HER ASS PACKING TONIGHT

[Commercecomet24]

This is insane. How does she still have a job? She has completely destroyed our program. Imagine performing your job as poorly as she has performed here. Would you still be employed?

[Matt3467]

Guys this isn't like firing Leach one year in. The pc firestorm that would erupt firing her would be just as damning as what she's done to the program thus far. Sorry but it is what it is now. Blame this on Cohen.

[Cowbell]

Guys this isn't like firing Leach one year in. The pc firestorm that would erupt firing her would be just as damning as what she's done to the program thus far. Sorry but it is what it is now. Blame this on Cohen.

It's women's basketball - there will be no firestorm / nobody cares that much

[DownwardDawg]

It's women's basketball - there will be no firestorm / nobody cares that much

And most of "us" don't give 2 shats about PC backlash. We want to win in whatever sport we're competing in.

[Todd4State]

Guys this isn't like firing Leach one year in. The pc firestorm that would erupt firing her would be just as damning as what she's done to the program thus far. Sorry but it is what it is now. Blame this on Cohen.

We can't let the media dictate what is best for our programs. You really want people like Paul Finebaum dictating what we do?

[Reunion Dog]

Who in their right mind would come work for Cohen? He is the laughing stock of every SEC Athletic Director out there... I mean how clueless can this f'er be?

[Rex54]

This is insane. How does she still have a job? She has completely destroyed our program. Imagine performing your job as poorly as she has performed here. Would you still be employed?

Especially someone in a position making her salary... get woke go broke

[99jc]

not fresh as hail anymore.....she is stale as dog shit!

[Johnson85]

Repeat after me: "MSU cannot pay buyouts for money losing sports."

The team is destroyed already. There's no point in spending money at this point to try to start the rebuild earlier. Unless we can fire her for cause, we're going to need to run her contract down at least another two years and maybe all three. It sucks because it was good exposure for MSU, but at the end of the day, it's not that big of a deal, and we don't need to be paying a buyout just to start building two or three years earlier when we're going to lose money regardless and the only way we're going to get any meaningful exposure is if we hire a coach that can get us a championship or alternatively to the final 4 consistently. Those are not good odds.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Agree. Do not sign extension. Let her go down with the ship but do not pay one extra dime for a sport no one cares about now

[Commercecomet24]

Repeat after me: "MSU cannot pay buyouts for money losing sports."

The team is destroyed already. There's no point in spending money at this point to try to start the rebuild earlier. Unless we can fire her for cause, we're going to need to run her contract down at least another two years and maybe all three. It sucks because it was good exposure for MSU, but at the end of the day, it's not that big of a deal, and we don't need to be paying a buyout just to start building two or three years earlier when we're going to lose money regardless and the only way we're going to get any meaningful exposure is if we hire a coach that can get us a championship or alternatively to the final 4 consistently. Those are not good odds.

Ultimately this is what will happen. It just sucks that someone this incompetent can make this kind of money while doing an absolutely awful job and destroying a program. That wouldn't play in my profession.

[Johnson85]

Ultimately this is what will happen. It just sucks that someone this incompetent can make this kind of money while doing an absolutely awful job and destroying a program. That wouldn't play in my profession.

It's amazing how much guaranteed money coaches are getting. But maybe not that much of NMP's salary is guaranteed. I've tried to find her buyout but couldn't. Vic's buyout to leave was "only" $1.25M. Of course that doesn't mean the buyout if we fired him was only $1.25M. But if the buyout for NMP is less than $750,000, then yes, you fire her and just go hire somebody with the money you saved, so you don't actually spend more money than you would buying her out. May not get a good coach, but can't do worse so probably worth trying.

Hell, I guess even if her buyout is $1.2M, you're still left with $375k a year to hire the next coach for three years. Could you do worse if you went and got a really successful high school coach and gave him/her a shot for $200k per year with incentives that could take it up to $400k a year?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ultimately this is what will happen. It just sucks that someone this incompetent can make this kind of money while doing an absolutely awful job and destroying a program. That wouldn't play in my profession.

Our only recourse at this point is rework her contract similar to what Michigan did with Harbaugh and we probably can't even do that til next year. We pay far too much for women's basketball as is. We were paying Schaefer too much as well. We don't need to be paying over 750K for a non revenue sport. A non revenue sport coaches salary should be heavy on incentives. I'd rework her contract down to a 300K base with the ability to make up to whatever she's being paid now in incentives. This would also lower the buyout significantly when she's fired. If she turns that down then you can fire her in year 3 and say we tried to renegotiate.

[PMDawg]

Honestly, I would rather just get rid of Cohen at this point. He's not an AD. He's a baseball coach. This is just like Tanner at USC...running everything into the ground one bad hire at a time. They have stuck with him for some reason, and we seem to be following in their footsteps. Why, I don't know, since they are just bottoming out. We need a real AD to right the ship. Lemonis has been a solid hire. The rest have been bad, except Leach. Too early to tell, but the early indications are worrisome with him.

[Commercecomet24]

It's amazing how much guaranteed money coaches are getting. But maybe not that much of NMP's salary is guaranteed. I've tried to find her buyout but couldn't. Vic's buyout to leave was "only" $1.25M. Of course that doesn't mean the buyout if we fired him was only $1.25M. But if the buyout for NMP is less than $750,000, then yes, you fire her and just go hire somebody with the money you saved, so you don't actually spend more money than you would buying her out. May not get a good coach, but can't do worse so probably worth trying.

Hell, I guess even if her buyout is $1.2M, you're still left with $375k a year to hire the next coach for three years. Could you do worse if you went and got a really successful high school coach and gave him/her a shot for $200k per year with incentives that could take it up to $400k a year?

Exactly!

[maroonmania]

Unless we can fire her for cause

So sad that destruction of a sports program isn't considered 'cause'. :(

[DownwardDawg]

So sad that destruction of a sports program isn't considered 'cause'. :(

If we were smart we could use all this pc crap to our advantage. Get out in front of it. Fire her and go on a media blast about how important our women's sports are to us at MSU. The vast majority of these women just happen to be black also. We could win the day.

[BrunswickDawg]

It's amazing how much guaranteed money coaches are getting. But maybe not that much of NMP's salary is guaranteed. I've tried to find her buyout but couldn't. Vic's buyout to leave was "only" $1.25M. Of course that doesn't mean the buyout if we fired him was only $1.25M. But if the buyout for NMP is less than $750,000, then yes, you fire her and just go hire somebody with the money you saved, so you don't actually spend more money than you would buying her out. May not get a good coach, but can't do worse so probably worth trying.

Hell, I guess even if her buyout is $1.2M, you're still left with $375k a year to hire the next coach for three years. Could you do worse if you went and got a really successful high school coach and gave him/her a shot for $200k per year with incentives that could take it up to $400k a year?

Jeebus - we are a P5 program and you want to bring in a High School coach???? I get thinking we over pay, but it's 2021, not 1986.

[msstate7]

Jeebus - we are a P5 program and you want to bring in a High School coach???? I get thinking we over pay, but it's 2021, not 1986.

Can we just have 1 woman coach softball, volleyball, and basketball? Use the savings for men's sports**

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's already a foregone conclusion on who's gonna be the next coach. If she wants it then it will be Johnnie Harris. And if that's going to be it then you might just as Johnson said bite the bullet and go ahead and pay NMP the buyout and hire Harris for 200-250K. That hire would appease the cult and the national media couldn't be outraged either. If that's going to be the end result next year or in two years then just go ahead do it now. You aren't getting Mitchell because his wife doesn't like Mississippi and that family doesn't need the money. And I doubt you're pulling a sitting P5 HC unless you're going to overpay which you don't need to do since the University is already paying Moorhead's buyout plus the potential of paying NMP's buyout.

Saying all that, I don't know that Harris is the answer to all the problems. I think the problems were here under the last staff, but they were masked because no one was going to go against Schaefer.

[BrunswickDawg]

Can we just have 1 woman coach softball, volleyball, and basketball? Use the savings for men's sports**

Teach PE and drive the bus to all of the games too!

[Johnson85]

Jeebus - we are a P5 program and you want to bring in a High School coach???? I get thinking we over pay, but it's 2021, not 1986.

I don't want to bring in a high school coach. I just don't want to spend any more money than we have committed already when the only way for us to make it worthwhile is to hire somebody who turns out to be a top 4 coach. While I earlier had said you can't spend any money on buyouts for a money losing sport, after Commerce's comment, I realized as bad as she has tanked this year, we actually can pay a buyout (even if we have what I hope is a worst case scenario buyout of guaranteeing 50% of her salary for the term of the contract) and not spend any more money overall than if we kept her through the contract, and we can't really do any worse, because for your non-revenue sports, it just doesn't make a difference if we are worse than we are now.

[basedog]

It's already a foregone conclusion on who's gonna be the next coach. If she wants it then it will be Johnnie Harris. And if that's going to be it then you might just as Johnson said bite the bullet and go ahead and pay NMP the buyout and hire Harris for 200-250K. That hire would appease the cult and the national media couldn't be outraged either. If that's going to be the end result next year or in two years then just go ahead do it now. You aren't getting Mitchell because his wife doesn't like Mississippi and that family doesn't need the money. And I doubt you're pulling a sitting P5 HC unless you're going to overpay which you don't need to do since the University is already paying Moorhead's buyout plus the potential of paying NMP's buyout.

Saying all that, I don't know that Harris is the answer to all the problems. I think the problems were here under the last staff, but they were masked because no one was going to go against Schaefer.

In what you replied to. " I think the problems were here under the last staff, but they were masked because no one was going to go against Schaefer." I kinda think you might be correct, problems did occur and really came to head when Vic took the Texas job (don't ask as I ain't gonna say either). But I have changed my mind about Firing Penson right now, I'm not convinced that she is the answer but maybe she does have a plan moving forward to next year.

Off the subject slightly, this portal transfer rule sucks, I'm not for a player leaving and being granted eligibility right away unless it's an extreme emergency type case. It's gonna open up more cheating and problems for the Ncaa. Just saying.

[Saltydog]

NO, we wouldn't. Dawn Staley would be the first to chime in on social media and push her agenda and there you have it. It would be portrayed as a school in MS fires a first year black female coach who wasn't given a chance, yada, yada. Of course, we (the fans) know the truth but most of the media doesn't care about reality. It's all smoke and mirrors.

[tireddawg]

NO, we wouldn't. Dawn Staley would be the first to chime in on social media and push her agenda and there you have it. It would be portrayed as a school in MS fires a first year black female coach who wasn't given a chance, yada, yada. Of course, we (the fans) know the truth but most of the media doesn't care about reality. It's all smoke and mirrors.

To hire another black female. We'd be fine. But If they can't look at the facts and have some common damn sense about it, screw em!

[Turfdawg67]

Wow... another thread on this. We are truly desperate for a winning program, eh? Let it go and dump the $$$ in something else. Like another football recruiter. I've watched 2 WBB games in my 40+ years. Can we discuss softball at least??

[RocketDawg]

To hire another black female. We'd be fine. But If they can't look at the facts and have some common damn sense about it, screw em!

But that shouldn't be a criterion. It should be who can do the best job that we can get, regardless of color or gender.

[Rex54]

But that shouldn't be a criterion. It should be who can do the best job that we can get, regardless of color or gender.

You can hope for that world all you want but it's not coming back.

[tireddawg]

But that shouldn't be a criterion. It should be who can do the best job that we can get, regardless of color or gender.

I agree, but that's not the world we live in. It is what it is, and unfortunately, we have to play along.

[Turfdawg67]

You can hope for that world all you want but it's not coming back.

In the 70's, women's sports were 90% coached by females. Guess you don't want to go too far back, eh??

[DownwardDawg]

In the 70's, women's sports were 90% coached by females. Guess you don't want to go too far back, eh??

You totally missed the point of his post. But carry on. #agenda

[Turfdawg67]

You totally missed the point of his post. But carry on. #agenda

I've got no agenda... unlike the majority of this board. I've lived in MS/GA/FL/AL... I know what's up. You and I agree on sports topics... let's leave it at that.

[Bothrops]

Let's just let women's bb go back to pre Vic level and forget about it. The coaching pool to get us back to the Vic Schaefer level is extremely, extremely small! It's not happening! It likely won't happen. Vic ****ed us but we must learn to forget it now. For ****s sake.

Also, might as well be happy with the status quo in men's hoops too, because other mid/lower level SEC programs have buried us.

[viverlibre]

Yes, lets hire someone literally no one else in D-1 would hire to be their HC.

Unless you mean Gary, lol....then yes....lets throw 5 mil at him and make him say no.**


I was referring to Blair from Facts of Life.

[Rex54]

I agree, but that's not the world we live in. It is what it is, and unfortunately, we have to play along.

Lol no we don't. That mindset is why you have mentally ill men in girls bathrooms.