Cohen

[BuckyIsAB****]

I see a lot of Cohen hate on here. I loved him as a coach, what he took over to what he turned it into is one of the best jobs we have ever had. He was intense and a winner. No one can deny that

But with Moorhead, football game days becoming more hectic and NMP...is his seat warm or is it just EliteDawg talk. I personally dont think he should be fired but he should own the fact that he made two bad hires to the fans and learn from it.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I think Cohens fate will really be determined by Leach in the next year or two. If Leach takes us back to Mullen level and starts winning 7 or 8 games a year with an occasional 9 or 10 win season he will be safe. If Leach only wins 4 or 5 the next two years then I think Cohen is done

[Rex54]

He's not qualified for his position.

[KOdawg1]

If Leach fails, then Cohen will and should be fired. That's what it'll come down to.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Well he will be here then bc Leach is going to win. We would have won 6-7 this year in a normal year. I didnt wanna turn this into a Leach thread but that is probably the determining factor for Cohen

[Captain Falcon]

NMP won?t cost him his job. The only way Cohen ever gets fired is if Leach ends up being a failure.

[msstate7]

I agree with him being tied to leach. I do think Cohen needs to meet with students, advertising agencies, whoever to get people back in the hump for MBK. Assuming we return everyone, we should have a team that will compete, so there should be interest. If season ticket holders aren't gonna be there, come up with a plan to get those tix into fans' hands that will attend. Fix the hump!

[Todd4State]

The truth is it shouldn't matter how Leach does as to whether Cohen should be the AD or not.

[Santiago]

I see a lot of Cohen hate on here. I loved him as a coach, what he took over to what he turned it into is one of the best jobs we have ever had. He was intense and a winner. No one can deny that

But with Moorhead, football game days becoming more hectic and NMP...is his seat warm or is it just EliteDawg talk. I personally dont think he should be fired but he should own the fact that he made two bad hires to the fans and learn from it.

Something that irritated me about him or his department was the bowl game Moorhead's first year and travel and the cheap options supposedly chosen to get the team to Florida. I may not have all the facts but it really screamed out incompetence by trying to outsmart yourself.

[R2Dawg]

The truth is it shouldn't matter how Leach does as to whether Cohen should be the AD or not.

Agree with this but football will determine.

[Todd4State]

Something that irritated me about him or his department was the bowl game Moorhead's first year and travel and the cheap options supposedly chosen to get the team to Florida. I may not have all the facts but it really screamed out incompetence by trying to outsmart yourself.

That bothered me too. Our players deserved better.

[Todd4State]

Agree with this but football will determine.

Correct. And to clarify I think Cohen should be gone even if Leach is successful.

[R2Dawg]

Correct. And to clarify I think Cohen should be gone even if Leach is successful.

Agree, I'm ready now. WBB after Moorhead did it for me. Regardless of if you were a follower of WBB, our WBB program put MSU on the map on a national stage and carried us thru the Mullen departure and baseball transition.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I?m close to ready but I?m not pulling the trigger yet. I think if Leach succeeds and Lemonis keeps us in the upper echelon in the SEC there is no chance he will get fired. Not really sure he should if he has two solid coaches having good records and meeting or exceeding expectations. If Howland retires next year the basketball hire will be a factor too. Nothing he can do about that now because Howland does just enough to not get fired

[BuckyIsAB****]

Something that irritated me about him or his department was the bowl game Moorhead's first year and travel and the cheap options supposedly chosen to get the team to Florida. I may not have all the facts but it really screamed out incompetence by trying to outsmart yourself.

That shit show was just as much on Moorhead as it was Cohen. I had forgotten what a disaster that was. Not to mention Kylin hills hissy fit after but thats over and done with

[thf24]

I'm not ready to fire Cohen, but in addition to Leach panning out, he needs to show with his next hire that he's learned something from the Moorhead and NMP failures (assuming the latter doesn't manage to do hard and immediate 180 with her program). Both had similar resumes that led to similar pitfalls, and there are no more excuses for going that route again now that there are clearly established warning signs.

[Dawgfan77]

You all posting your not ready for Cohen to go must be LTs boys. Cohen has ruined everything we had positive in our Ath Dept.

[tireddawg]

You all posting your not ready for Cohen to go must be LTs boys. Cohen has ruined everything we had positive in our Ath Dept.

I agree. When someone thinks they're the smartest person in the room, but they're not, you don't want that person as AD.

[HoopsDawg]

Can someone list the good things he has done? Not being sarcastic. I would like to know.

[msstate7]

Can someone list the good things he has done? Not being sarcastic. I would like to know.

Some see leach as a major plus. I think that's yet to be determined myself.

Lemonis was a good hire imo

[HoopsDawg]

Some see leach as a major plus. I think that's yet to be determined myself.

Lemonis was a good hire imo

Mike Leach at his age, for 5 million per, after missing on other targets, and then a 3-7 season, no can't put that one in the plus column yet.

The baseball search was a shitshow. I think it's still TBD on Lemonis, but he looks like a solid hire at worst.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Mike Leach at his age, for 5 million per, after missing on other targets, and then a 3-7 season, no can't put that one in the plus column yet.

The baseball search was a shitshow. I think it's still TBD on Lemonis, but he looks like a solid hire at worst.

Who are the "other targets" we missed on in football? Joe Judge? Maybe Napier if you believe Bert Stare?

And the baseball search was Cohen probably having a guy in Schloss who got tired of waiting and wanted to be named before our season was over. I don't fault Cohen on that one.

Look I don't think Cohen is "putting his politics into the athletic dept." and I don't really know where that comes from other than the Leach tweet fiasco. I think it comes down to the fact that he's just in over his head and doesn't have the ability or want to to be able to do the job effectively. It's not that uncommon with coaches that move into the AD chair. See Ray Tanner. Saying all that, it doesn't matter how you feel about him because his seat is not the least bit warm and will only start to become warm if Leach has a crap season this year. WBB or Softball isn't going to get an AD fired. Multiple bad hires in football or MBB is just about the only thing that can get an AD fired other than LOIC.

[BrunswickDawg]

Who are the "other targets" we missed on in football? Joe Judge? Maybe Napier if you believe Bert Stare?

And the baseball search was Cohen probably having a guy in Schloss who got tired of waiting and wanted to be named before our season was over. I don't fault Cohen on that one.

Look I don't think Cohen is "putting his politics into the athletic dept." and I don't really know where that comes from other than the Leach tweet fiasco. I think it comes down to the fact that he's just in over his head and doesn't have the ability or want to to be able to do the job effectively. It's not that uncommon with coaches that move into the AD chair. See Ray Tanner. Saying all that, it doesn't matter how you feel about him because his seat is not the least bit warm and will only start to become warm if Leach has a crap season this year. WBB or Softball isn't going to get an AD fired. Multiple bad hires in football or MBB is just about the only thing that can get an AD fired other than LOIC.

The interesting thing about this whole "woke" theory is that from appearances, we aren't doing anything different from every SEC program.
I don't hear a whole lot of Bama fans calling for Saban's or Greg's head for putting out this video - https://twitter.com/AlabamaFTBL/status/1276228506893127680?s=20

That's just as "woke" as anything I've seen from Cohen and crew.

[was21]

That video is not on the same level as Leach's noose and his trumpism

[Coach34]

I don’t think Cohen’s job is remotely in question. He listens to the Big Boys for the most part and gets along well with Keenum. I think it’s just a small percentage of mad fans and that’s about it. He’s not the only person who decides on coaching hires we make. Keenum is a big part as is a couple of others.

I don’t know anybody that has relayed me good info thru the years that thinks his job is even remotely in jeopardy

[StarkVegasSteve]

The interesting thing about this whole "woke" theory is that from appearances, we aren't doing anything different from every SEC program.
I don't hear a whole lot of Bama fans calling for Saban's or Greg's head for putting out this video - https://twitter.com/AlabamaFTBL/status/1276228506893127680?s=20

That's just as "woke" as anything I've seen from Cohen and crew.

People are looking for reasons to not like Cohen other than his coaching hires. They seem to think that adding all this together will force him to be fired. Look, the bottom line is as others have stated 100+ times at this point since the day Mike Leach was hired, Cohen has tied his job security to Mike Leach. Nothing else he does has as big of an impact as football does. If Leach has another bad season then Cohen will be on the hot seat. A bad year 3 and Cohen will be gone. It's truly that simple. No AD is given the chance to hire 3 football or MBB coaches.

[BrunswickDawg]

People are looking for reasons to not like Cohen other than his coaching hires. They seem to think that adding all this together will force him to be fired. Look, the bottom line is as others have stated 100+ times at this point since the day Mike Leach was hired, Cohen has tied his job security to Mike Leach. Nothing else he does has as big of an impact as football does. If Leach has another bad season then Cohen will be on the hot seat. A bad year 3 and Cohen will be gone. It's truly that simple. No AD is given the chance to hire 3 football or MBB coaches.

I think there is a also a segment that is still anti-Cohen because of the whole Polk-in-waiting Raffo thing. Polk and Cohen seemed to have gotten past it - but if there is one thing MSU fans can be good at it is holding onto an irrational grudge for forever.

[DownwardDawg]

Some see leach as a major plus. I think that's yet to be determined myself.

Lemonis was a good hire imo

Both of these. Great points. Lemonis will have us as a regular CWS team and Leach will win as much or more than Mullen. How will that reflect on Cohen??

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think there is a also a segment that is still anti-Cohen because of the whole Polk-in-waiting Raffo thing. Polk and Cohen seemed to have gotten past it - but if there is one thing MSU fans can be good at it is holding onto an irrational grudge for forever.

I feel like even the most ardent Polk lifers have gotten past that one. I think pre 2011 you would be correct. I even think a majority of the fan base was ready to fire him if he didn't get to the tournament that year. However, you could be right. I know there's definitely still some that think he was the reason we got rid of the original LFL and haven't forgiven him for it. I really think the core of the resentment for Cohen is how the "AD Search" was handled. A lot of people feel like he was just given the job without really interviewing anyone else. Now I don't know who all was interviewed as part of the search, but it does seem like Cohen was settled on pretty quickly into the process. Again, that's no inside knowledge just my opinion.

[TNDawg35]

Who are the "other targets" we missed on in football? Joe Judge? Maybe Napier if you believe Bert Stare?

And the baseball search was Cohen probably having a guy in Schloss who got tired of waiting and wanted to be named before our season was over. I don't fault Cohen on that one.


Look I don't think Cohen is "putting his politics into the athletic dept." and I don't really know where that comes from other than the Leach tweet fiasco. I think it comes down to the fact that he's just in over his head and doesn't have the ability or want to to be able to do the job effectively. It's not that uncommon with coaches that move into the AD chair. See Ray Tanner. Saying all that, it doesn't matter how you feel about him because his seat is not the least bit warm and will only start to become warm if Leach has a crap season this year. WBB or Softball isn't going to get an AD fired. Multiple bad hires in football or MBB is just about the only thing that can get an AD fired other than LOIC.

The baseball search wasn?t on Cohen. He has his guy in Schloss. Terms were agreed to and when it came time to sign him, something came out that there was no way possible he could hire him following what Cann pulled. If he would have, it would have been a disaster if it had went public.

That?s why Schloss was trying to hurry up and name him coach incase it did. That and he didn?t want Henderson to get it after what the team accomplished. He knew he would be walking into a bad situation with the big fellas that wanted to keep Hendo. If you name him coach, doesn?t matter what Hendo does then. It?s already a done deal...

TCU swept it under the rug so to speak.

After that, Cohen went to McDonald knowing he would never come due to his wife and his promise to her. But McDonald and Cohen did sit down together along with a couple other people and make a list. Lemonis was #1 on that list.

Then we threw the bank at the OSU pitching coach to Come here and he declined due to being next in line at OSU. Next was Foxhall.

As far as I know, Tadlack was never on the board.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The baseball search wasn?t on Cohen. He has his guy in Schloss. Terms were agreed to and when it came time to sign him, something came out that there was no way possible he could hire him following what Cann pulled. If he would have, it would have been a disaster if it had went public.

That?s why Schloss was trying to hurry up and name him coach incase it did. That and he didn?t want Henderson to get it after what the team accomplished. He knew he would be walking into a bad situation with the big fellas that wanted to keep Hendo. If you name him coach, doesn?t matter what Hendo does then. It?s already a done deal...

TCU swept it under the rug so to speak.

After that, Cohen went to McDonald knowing he would never come due to his wife and his promise to her. But McDonald and Cohen did sit down together along with a couple other people and make a list. Lemonis was #1 on that list.

Then we threw the bank at the OSU pitching coach to Come here and he declined due to being next in line at OSU. Next was Foxhall.

As far as I know, Tadlack was never on the board.

I remember more than a few people thought that Tadlock was the guy. I do believe you're right about Schloss though. I specifically remember a press conference he had before the NCAA tournament where he wasn't even trying to hide that he had interviewed for the job and would probably take it.

[State82]

The baseball search wasn?t on Cohen. He has his guy in Schloss. Terms were agreed to and when it came time to sign him, something came out that there was no way possible he could hire him following what Cann pulled. If he would have, it would have been a disaster if it had went public.

That?s why Schloss was trying to hurry up and name him coach incase it did. That and he didn?t want Henderson to get it after what the team accomplished. He knew he would be walking into a bad situation with the big fellas that wanted to keep Hendo. If you name him coach, doesn?t matter what Hendo does then. It?s already a done deal...

TCU swept it under the rug so to speak.

After that, Cohen went to McDonald knowing he would never come due to his wife and his promise to her. But McDonald and Cohen did sit down together along with a couple other people and make a list. Lemonis was #1 on that list.

Then we threw the bank at the OSU pitching coach to Come here and he declined due to being next in line at OSU. Next was Foxhall.

As far as I know, Tadlack was never on the board.

I don't know a lot of the details but this all sounds very reasonable with regard to how it all transpired.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I agree with him being tied to leach. I do think Cohen needs to meet with students, advertising agencies, whoever to get people back in the hump for MBK. Assuming we return everyone, we should have a team that will compete, so there should be interest. If season ticket holders aren't gonna be there, come up with a plan to get those tix into fans' hands that will attend. Fix the hump!

Well here is the short list of items to fix about the Hump.
1. Build a new Hump.
2. Get students on at least one entire sideline.
3. Fix the lighting, sound system, and make sure the students sit opposite of the camera so that is who you see when watching the game.
4. Make our official home color to be white for the home crowd. Maroon makes the place look dark and depressing.
5. Find out how to capture the intro sequence we had in the early 2000s. Right now the hype guy is boring as shit.
6. You have to find a way to get the blue hairs away from the court. We need folks that are relentless in effort, energy, and visceral to the other teams bench.
7. Focus on play chants. Get the dance team and cheerleaders going. Tell them we need energy from everyone.
8. Learn how to play zone sometimes. Learn how to press sometimes. Learn how to break a press.
9. Stop losing home giant SEC games when the team has a little momentum. Seriously, everytime for the past 12 years we have gained a little bit of momentum we 17ing destroy it by losing ar home with a crowd. Those people don't come back.

[R2Dawg]

I see a lot of Cohen hate on here. I loved him as a coach, what he took over to what he turned it into is one of the best jobs we have ever had. He was intense and a winner. No one can deny that

But with Moorhead, football game days becoming more hectic and NMP...is his seat warm or is it just EliteDawg talk. I personally dont think he should be fired but he should own the fact that he made two bad hires to the fans and learn from it.

There may be some that hate him; I don't hate him but he has shown incompetence in his job and I want something done before he does more damage the the school I love. No one is perfect but he was not a good fit for this job. We need another Greg Byrne to fix our mess, a professional AD.

[R2Dawg]

Both of these. Great points. Lemonis will have us as a regular CWS team and Leach will win as much or more than Mullen. How will that reflect on Cohen??

Still premature on Leach, we will see. Lemonis already shown he can get it done.

[Coach34]

Again- you guys keep thinking Cohen's job is based on hires with him as AD- and that's really not true. Thats not a huge factor in his employment.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Like I said I didnt want to make this into a Leach thread but for those of you that think Cohens future is tied with Leach (I agree with you) better get ready to see Cohen here for a while bc Leach is going to do at least what Mullen did and has a better chance to do more bc he wont be looking for the first plane out every December

[BuckyIsAB****]

I would be as brave as to say if Mike Leach is our coach in 2018 we beat Mullen and dont have to deal with the off field disaster that was Moorhead

[maroonmania]

There may be some that hate him; I don't hate him but he has shown incompetence in his job and I want something done before he does more damage the the school I love. No one is perfect but he was not a good fit for this job. We need another Greg Byrne to fix our mess, a professional AD.

I liked Cohen as a player, I liked Cohen as a coach. Not sure I care for his politics (from what I keep reading) but that is really not a factor here unless he is pushing his politics onto other people. As an AD though what am I getting for MSU? He is not a marketer. He is not really a fundraiser. He is not a big PR guy. So if he can't do well hiring and managing the coaches for various sports, then what good is he? That is just an honest question that I think a LOT of MSU fans have. Has nothing to do with 'looking for a reason to not like Cohen'. I am one that was very happy he got the baseball HC job over Raffo because I didn't want Polk II to begin with and I thought Raffo would just be more of Polk since Polk was planning to still be around directing things from behind the scenes anyway.

[Turfdawg67]

Mike Leach at his age, for 5 million per, after missing on other targets, and then a 3-7 season, no can't put that one in the plus column yet.

The baseball search was a shitshow. I think it's still TBD on Lemonis, but he looks like a solid hire at worst.

Lemonis looks like a fat cat... getting fatter. Literally and figuratively.