MSU baseball always has at least one head up our ass weekend

[Todd4State]

And this was it.

Don't know why but it just happens. Yeah we'll be fine but we've got to get better at constructing our roster. I think some of the coaching turnover is to blame for that a little bit. Just changing recruiting philosophies too much.

Hitting has to get better but we have a bunch of singles hitters with little to no protection in the lineup. That's why Lemonis has had us running more on the base paths. Not Gautreau's fault there. But he does have to try to get our hitters to start to use the whole field more. Of course that's an epidemic throughout all of baseball and has gotten so bad that MLB is looking at changing rules. Guess they've given up hope too.

[maroonmania]

And this was it.

Don't know why but it just happens. Yeah we'll be fine but we've got to get better at constructing our roster. I think some of the coaching turnover is to blame for that a little bit. Just changing recruiting philosophies too much.

Hitting has to get better but we have a bunch of singles hitters with little to no protection in the lineup. That's why Lemonis has had us running more on the base paths. Not Gautreau's fault there. But he does have to try to get our hitters to start to use the whole field more. Of course that's an epidemic throughout all of baseball and has gotten so bad that MLB is looking at changing rules. Guess they've given up hope too.

Todd, while that's true, the areas of play that bit us this weekend have been there all year for those really looking at things critically. When you aren't putting up runs against weak competition its a big red flag. I guess the big eye opener this weekend though was that we thought our pitching staff was elite enough to hold down most any offense for at least 2 out of any 3 games in a 3 game series. That obviously isn't the case.

[Todd4State]

Todd, while that's true, the areas of play that bit us this weekend have been there all year for those really looking at things critically. When you aren't putting up runs against weak competition its a big red flag. I guess the big eye opener this weekend though was that we thought our pitching staff was elite enough to hold down most any offense for at least 2 out of any 3 games in a 3 game series. That obviously isn't the case.

Defense was way worse this weekend. Extended way too many innings and it seemed like we gave up a home run every time it happened.

[KOdawg1]

The good news is that we've got several "sweep-able" series this year. Kentucky, Mizzou, Bama, Auburn, A&M are all series we have a chance to sweep in order to make up for this crap show.

[Activated Alpha]

When we won the SEC in 16, weren?t we swept by A&M or was it Arky? I can?t remember

[BeardoMSU]

When we won the SEC in 16, weren?t we swept by A&M or was it Arky? I can?t remember

Not sure, but we've definitely been swept by Arky and Vandy in recent years and still went on to have great seasons. It's baseball.

[SaintDawg]

fyi... last time we got swept was vs @Arky in 2019. we went 52-15 and 20-10 in sec that season. we got our shit pushed in this weekend but got a lotta more to play. stay up guys!

[BeardoMSU]

fyi... last time we got swept was vs @Arky in 2019. we went 52-15 and 20-10 in sec that season. we got our shit pushed in this weekend but got a lotta more to play. stay up guys!

Thank you. I knew it was very recent. Granted that was on the road, but still...plenty of season left.

[KOdawg1]

When we won the SEC in 16, weren?t we swept by A&M or was it Arky? I can?t remember

Think it was A&M. At home too if I remember correctly.

[Todd4State]

Yeah. This isn't "the season is over" topic by any means. But it's frustrating as hell that we have one of these a year at least. I just want a more well rounded team like Vanderbilt has.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

I think we will improve. First time guys will be experienced by end of season. Peak at the end. Get hot. Run to Omaha. Baseball is streaky.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Nobody is panicking but shit needs to change. I am most disappointed in our older guys not getting any better or making adjustments

[Todd4State]

Nobody is panicking but shit needs to change. I am most disappointed in our older guys not getting any better or making adjustments

If I'm Lemonis I'm having a team meeting and saying if you don't want to use the whole field and just want to keep on hitting into a shift then you're going to sit.

[Maroonthirteen]

Yeah, seems like we started a few season in the 90s getting swept by Florida. Anyways.... the emotional out cry this Sunday can be traced back to the hype of the weekend. 1 vs 2, open weekend, first weekend with nearly full attendance. Just such a huge let down.

State will be ok. 15-18 sec wins. Make the ncaas. Then who knows.... maybe a super. But going Into the weekend, the sights were set much higher.

[Todd4State]

Yeah, seems like we started a few season in the 90s getting swept by Florida. Anyways.... the emotional out cry this Sunday can be traced back to the hype of the weekend. 1 vs 2, open weekend, first weekend with nearly full attendance. Just such a huge let down.

State will be ok. 15-18 sec wins. Make the ncaas. Then who knows.... maybe a super. But going Into the weekend, the sights were set much higher.

It seems like we beat Florida maybe 3-4 times the entire decade of the 90's. LOL.

You're right about the hype. Sounds like we have some players that thought they were better than they thought they were and we got it shoved this weekend.

I just hate that what this weekend tells me is we can't handle success at all. Probably could use 3-4 guys to graduate will probably end up being addition by subtraction. Too bad we can't seem to find anyone with Jake Mangum's attitude. I'm not saying that they need to be the all- time SEC hit leader. But we need someone that makes it their mission to win the whole thing rather than get their "love" from the fans and press.

[Reunion Dog]

We beat Arkansas in Starkville to win the SEC in 2016..

[bulldogcountry1]

Pretty much every team in the country has a weekend like this at some point. It doesn?t stop the half-assed fans from coming out of the woodwork and complaining about uniforms, hairstyles, walkout music, and all the other crap that has nothing to do with wins and losses.

The team has some holes, but we have a lot of good pieces. We stunk in every facet of the game this weekend, but that won?t be the norm. Some leadership will emerge from this, and players will play with a new purpose. Our veterans just have to step up.

[basedog]

It's all about the pitching this year and some timely hitting. We aren't gonna score a lot of runs as we all can see this. We are iffy on defense in a few spots, that has to improve right away. Arkansas is for real, I also think we are in the middle of the pack in the Sec.

[Rex54]

Not sure, but we've definitely been swept by Arky and Vandy in recent years and still went on to have great seasons. It's baseball.

Blind squirrel found a nut - agree completely.

[Offshore Dawg]

And this was it.

Don't know why but it just happens. Yeah we'll be fine but we've got to get better at constructing our roster. I think some of the coaching turnover is to blame for that a little bit. Just changing recruiting philosophies too much.

Hitting has to get better but we have a bunch of singles hitters with little to no protection in the lineup. That's why Lemonis has had us running more on the base paths. Not Gautreau's fault there. But he does have to try to get our hitters to start to use the whole field more. Of course that's an epidemic throughout all of baseball and has gotten so bad that MLB is looking at changing rules. Guess they've given up hope too.

Maybe a little too much sunshine for this team this year Todd.

[Choctaw Dawg]

Think it was A&M. At home too if I remember correctly.

A&M could have swept any team in the country that weekend. They smoked us and we won the conference that year

[Choctaw Dawg]

We beat Arkansas in Starkville to win the SEC in 2016..

Arkansas was the worst team in the conference in 2016

[BrunswickDawg]

A&M could have swept any team in the country that weekend. They smoked us and we won the conference that year

"That's baseball." Especially SEC baseball. On any given weekend I'd say any team but Missouri is capable of a sweep, and every team except Vandy (and probably Arky) is capable of being swept. And I'm not saying "all is well". But baseball is an incredibly streaky sport that allows teams to ride waves that put them in positions way above - or below - their actual talent level.

[99jc]

i think some of you just miss the issue..we cant 17ing hit yesterday, tomorrow or next week get used to it.. it wont be just this weekend but every SEC weekend. we will make a regional but lack of hitting will be our demise, the sooner you accept this this season will be much easier to accept. this pansy hitting bunch wont turn into the "29" yankees no matter how you slice it.

[BrunswickDawg]

i think some of you just miss the issue..we cant 17ing hit yesterday, tomorrow or next week get used to it.. it wont be just this weekend but every SEC weekend. we will make a regional but lack of hitting will be our demise, the sooner you accept this this season will be much easier to accept. this pansy hitting bunch wont turn into the "29" yankees no matter how you slice it.

It may be, it may not be. I don't think anyone has denied that offense is a problem right now. The flip side of that is if our pitching and defense had been on form this weekend we scored enough and hit enough to win at least 2 of 3.

[Commercecomet24]

It may be, it may not be. I don't think anyone has denied that offense is a problem right now. The flip side of that is if our pitching and defense had been on form this weekend we scored enough and hit enough to win at least 2 of 3.

This. Baseball is such a mercurial game and everything can change at the drop of a hat. Had we caught 2 popups saturday and made a couple of plays that shouldve been made yesterday we take 2 out of 3.

[Jack Lambert]

They had a bad weekend. It happens. Probably got out coached as well.

[BrunswickDawg]

This. Baseball is such a mercurial game and everything can change at the drop of a hat. Had we caught 2 popups saturday and made a couple of plays that shouldve been made yesterday we take 2 out of 3.

And saying "we can't hit" or "don't have the bats" just isn't true either. Do we have guys built like Rooker or Wes Rea? No. But we hit Texas (now #5) and Texas Tech (now #4) just fine. Had HR and Extra Base Hits. Scored 8 and 11 respectively. But no, we aren't going to be a power based team. Our guys just need to buckle down and fight thru their slumps, get their approaches right at the plate, and focus on winning.

[Commercecomet24]

And saying "we can't hit" or "don't have the bats" just isn't true either. Do we have guys built like Rooker or Wes Rea? No. But we hit Texas (now #5) and Texas Tech (now #4) just fine. Had HR and Extra Base Hits. Scored 8 and 11 respectively. But no, we aren't going to be a power based team. Our guys just need to buckle down and fight thru their slumps, get their approaches right at the plate, and focus on winning.

Agreed, also 4-5 runs a game with our pitching staff should be enough to win most games. Our defense cost us multiple runs this weekend while arkys defense saved them 4-6 runs at least. Arky literally made every play, and not just the routine plays while we misplayed popups and fly balls. It was a tough weekend all the way around. We didn't defend well nor did we hit well. Our discipline at the plate needs to improve greatly. We still chase way to many pitches out of the zone.

[basedog]

Agreed, also 4-5 runs a game with our pitching staff should be enough to win most games. Our defense cost us multiple runs this weekend while arkys defense saved them 4-6 runs at least. Arky literally made every play, and not just the routine plays while we misplayed popups and fly balls. It was a tough weekend all the way around. We didn't defend well nor did we hit well. Our discipline at the plate needs to improve greatly. We still chase way to many pitches out of the zone.

I'm now thinking we need to play small ball with this team. We aren't built for big innings

[TNDawg35]

What we need is Clark to get healthy, move James to first, and find a 2B. Forsythe is damn good at short and his bat will come around.

Some of the juniors playing need a wake up check and to sit a few games.

Cumbest needs to forget football and focus on baseball. He could be damn good if he would get the at bats and practice he needs. He’ll teach him 1B. He has the frame for it...

I also think McDonald needs some playing time.

[Todd4State]

Agreed, also 4-5 runs a game with our pitching staff should be enough to win most games. Our defense cost us multiple runs this weekend while arkys defense saved them 4-6 runs at least. Arky literally made every play, and not just the routine plays while we misplayed popups and fly balls. It was a tough weekend all the way around. We didn't defend well nor did we hit well. Our discipline at the plate needs to improve greatly. We still chase way to many pitches out of the zone.

Honestly the defense upset me more than anything. We had juniors and seniors misplaying fly balls. Defense is a lot more controllable than offense. And those mistakes weren't a ball hitting a rock on the infield and it bounced a weird way.

[maroonmania]

Honestly the defense upset me more than anything. We had juniors and seniors misplaying fly balls. Defense is a lot more controllable than offense. And those mistakes weren't a ball hitting a rock on the infield and it bounced a weird way.

I personally wish we would put Tanner Allen back at first, move Rowdey to LF or RF, put Skinner in CF and find the next best true OF (Cumbest? McGowan?) to shore up the other LF/RF spot. We apparently are not going to hit regardless so we might as well put a competent defense on the field. If we can at least pitch AND field, we might actually win a few games scoring 3 or 4 runs. Infield needs to be the best defense as well. The thing this team can't do it give away runs because no matter what lineup we have it won't be good enough to make up for charity runs given to the other team from bad defense. Allen was no worse at 1st base than Hatcher and with Hatcher's bat he might as well sit.

[Captain Falcon]

A&M could have swept any team in the country that weekend. They smoked us and we won the conference that year

I was convinced we were getting a State-A&M rematch for the title in Omaha, and somehow neither of us even got there. That was the year you had freaking Coastal Carolina winning it all and all these great teams getting knocked out in the Supers.

[The Federalist Engineer]

After thinking about this Hog series. It?s good that we did not get lucky and pull out one game. Getting your butt whipped is a great teacher. Losing with all systems failing keeps the Goddess Nemisis away. Since the season continues, we get to try again.

Since baseball is a marathon and we want a National Title or nothing at all, we now know the gaps and limitations, only limited damage was done. Coaches still need to find the #1 and #2 starter if they want to beat Top-5 clubs in Supers and Omaha. We fans now see we are borderline National Seeds if National Seeds at all. I bet our starting 3 is only 1/3 settled.

Lemonis in the SI interview sounds like us. We are flaccid with our batting approach and making poor decisions. He?s not complacent you can see he is angry like us fans.

https://www.si.com/college/mississippistate/.amp/baseball/lemonis-ark-gm3-pc-32821?__twitter_impression=true

[Rex54]

I was convinced we were getting a State-A&M rematch for the title in Omaha, and somehow neither of us even got there. That was the year you had freaking Coastal Carolina winning it all and all these great teams getting knocked out in the Supers.

SEC baseball coaches should mostly be judged on their ability to host regionals. That is by far the best correlated measurement of success in coaching at this level.

Coach 1 - 5 years, 4 regionals hosted, 0 trips to Omaha
Coach 2 - 5 years, 0 regionalS hosted, 1 trip to Omaha

Coach 1 has done a vastly superior job.

[Santiago]

Todd, while that's true, the areas of play that bit us this weekend have been there all year for those really looking at things critically. When you aren't putting up runs against weak competition its a big red flag. I guess the big eye opener this weekend though was that we thought our pitching staff was elite enough to hold down most any offense for at least 2 out of any 3 games in a 3 game series. That obviously isn't the case.

Agree with this. What was exposed this weekend is what we have been all season. Hopefully we improve, as most good teams do during a season.

[basedog]

Being ranked so high early in the season hurt Msu fans and players, we all were thinking how good we were until the Hogs knocked our butts in the ground. Yes, it may be a wake up call and yes we aren't as good as we thought but we aren't as bad either. I do think we are somewhere in the middle of the pack in the Sec, is it say 4th or 6th place? Well if we don't win say the next 4 out of 6 games in home we may not be in the middle. The Sec is a strong baseball conference, our fan base is one of the best as is our program, but success doesn't come easy and we fans and players can't relax on our past and the stadium we built. Seems all the teams in the West have good stadiums and crowds now days, a few in the East also. Kentucky want be an easy series, baseball is a tough game, we lack on defense in a few spots and I don't care how good of pitching one has if you don't defend the field and at least have timely hitting.

[Commercecomet24]

Honestly the defense upset me more than anything. We had juniors and seniors misplaying fly balls. Defense is a lot more controllable than offense. And those mistakes weren't a ball hitting a rock on the infield and it bounced a weird way.

Same here. The defense pissed me off more than anything. Plays were there to be made and we didn't make them and left our pitchers hung out to dry.

[Choctaw Dawg]

I was convinced we were getting a State-A&M rematch for the title in Omaha, and somehow neither of us even got there. That was the year you had freaking Coastal Carolina winning it all and all these great teams getting knocked out in the Supers.

That's baseball!

[State82]

Probably got out coached as well.

Chris admitted that post game. At least he owned it which I can respect.