Vic or Gary

[basedog]

Something I thought about after watching 4th quarter and overtime win by Aggies women last night. Gary Blair is a great Coach. Very calm and discipline and coaches his butt off. In saying that, I realize he is the type of Coach I would want to play for. Keeps his emotions in check and you never see him "exploding" on his players like Vic seems to do. Now Vic is very intense and is a good Coach, but he isn't as consistent with dealing with the pressure down the stretch in making adjustments. Not slamming Vic in anyway except to say Gary is great where as Vic is good.
I think Gary will last more than another year or two if he wants and stays healthy, dude won a National championship something Vic hasn't done.

[ZedFedder]

I’d take Vic.

[KB21]

Something I thought about after watching 4th quarter and overtime win by Aggies women last night. Gary Blair is a great Coach. Very calm and discipline and coaches his butt off. In saying that, I realize he is the type of Coach I would want to play for. Keeps his emotions in check and you never see him "exploding" on his players like Vic seems to do. Now Vic is very intense and is a good Coach, but he isn't as consistent with dealing with the pressure down the stretch in making adjustments. Not slamming Vic in anyway except to say Gary is great where as Vic is good.
I think Gary will last more than another year or two if he wants and stays healthy, dude won a National championship something Vic hasn't done.

They are almost identical coaches, but Vic tends to wear his emotions more than Gary Blair. They both will fiercely defend their team. Gary Blair was really calling out the selection committee over Texas A&M being a #2 seed instead of a #1 seed. I imagine Gary Blair can get hot like Vic when the cameras aren't rolling.

[Coach34]

You can be a laidback head coach but you have to have an asshole coach on staff to balance things out. Cant have a staff of yellers...cant have a staff full of laidback people.

Its why Blair and Vic won a title together.
Stands had Kirby
Williams could be the asshole while Stands was the recruiter/buddy coach.
Saban plays the Enforcer role perfectly- as does Belichek. Parcells and Ditka were very good.

Notice Jerry Jones rarely hires a strong personality as HC- Garrett, Chan Gailey, etc

[MoreCowbell]

Who would I rather play for? Gary.
Who would I rather want coaching the team I?m a fan of? Vic.

[smootness]

Something I thought about after watching 4th quarter and overtime win by Aggies women last night. Gary Blair is a great Coach. Very calm and discipline and coaches his butt off. In saying that, I realize he is the type of Coach I would want to play for. Keeps his emotions in check and you never see him "exploding" on his players like Vic seems to do. Now Vic is very intense and is a good Coach, but he isn't as consistent with dealing with the pressure down the stretch in making adjustments. Not slamming Vic in anyway except to say Gary is great where as Vic is good.
I think Gary will last more than another year or two if he wants and stays healthy, dude won a National championship something Vic hasn't done.

I'd take Vic all day every day, and you're smoking something if you don't think Vic is a great coach.

Blair won a title, but it was with Vic. They took a noticeable dip when Schaefer left, and Vic had clearly elevated State above A&M as a program. It's not at all a surprise that he has Texas back in the Sweet 16 in year 1, and I would imagine they'll quickly be an elite power.

[smootness]

Notice Jerry Jones rarely hires a strong personality as HC- Garrett, Chan Gailey, etc

Jerry Jones also doesn't win anymore.

[basedog]

I don't take it as Blair being soft, he won a Natty and he has always had really good assistants and that's a big plus. He also will let is assistant coach and he will listen. Dude is 75 years old and he is like that Bunny Rabbit that is still going strong.

[Gutter Cobreh]

One was able to close out and win a National Championship. The other got his doors blown off the first chance and then blew a 13 point halftime lead a year later.

Give me the one that's proven they can win on the biggest stage.

[basedog]

[QUOTE=smootness;1314154]I'd take Vic all day every day, and you're smoking something if you don't think Vic is a great coach.

Blair won a title, but it was with Vic. They took a noticeable dip when Schaefer left, and Vic had clearly elevated State above A&M as a program. It's not at all a surprise that he has Texas back in the Sweet 16 in year 1, and I would imagine they'll quickly be an elite power.[/QUOT

Vic had enough talent to win a Natty at Dear Ole State, great coaches win the big ones, I don't call being a good Coach a "knock", it's just what it is.

Blair is smart to hire good assistants as I've stated. look at the ones he has had on his previous staffs that have gone on to being good coaches. Tell me who Vic has had on staff moving on to success?

[basedog]

I'm not knocking Vic, I just like Blair more overall.

[R2Dawg]

You can be a laidback head coach but you have to have an asshole coach on staff to balance things out. Cant have a staff of yellers...cant have a staff full of laidback people.

Its why Blair and Vic won a title together.
Stands had Kirby
Williams could be the asshole while Stands was the recruiter/buddy coach.
Saban plays the Enforcer role perfectly- as does Belichek. Parcells and Ditka were very good.

Notice Jerry Jones rarely hires a strong personality as HC- Garrett, Chan Gailey, etc

Totally agree. I've seen this and lived this in my experiences. Must be a balance too. Too much either way and there will be issues.

[R2Dawg]

One was able to close out and win a National Championship. The other got his doors blown off the first chance and then blew a 13 point halftime lead a year later.

Give me the one that's proven they can win on the biggest stage.

Big difference - Blair had Vic. Not sure Vic the first time had as much talent as Blair had either. I've watched Blair lay some pretty good eggs since Vic left TAMU.

[basedog]

Big difference - Blair had Vic. Not sure Vic the first time had as much talent as Blair had either. I've watched Blair lay some pretty good eggs since Vic left TAMU.

Gary Blair has accomplished a whole lot over his career. I ahve to laugh when folks say butttttt so and so Coach had so and so for his assistant, ok but Blair was in control. Vic learned under Blair not the other way around but I'm sure Blair took in what Vic and other assistants thoughts were and used them. Smart man!

P.S. I hate Vic didn't retire at Msu, I like him for what he did for our program. Not sure we will get another "Vic".

Coaching record
Statistics overview
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Stephen F. Austin Ladyjacks (Gulf Star Conference) (1985–1987)
1985–86 Stephen F. Austin 16–12 7–3
1986–87 Stephen F. Austin 25–6 9–1 1st WNIT
Stephen F. Austin: 16–4 (.800)
Stephen F. Austin Ladyjacks (Southland Conference) (1987–1993)
1987–88 Stephen F. Austin 29–5 13–1 1st NCAA Second Round
1988–89 Stephen F. Austin 30–4 13–1 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1989–90 Stephen F. Austin 28–3 14–0 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1990–91 Stephen F. Austin 25–6 14–0 1st NCAA Second Round
1991–92 Stephen F. Austin 28–3 17–1 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1992–93 Stephen F. Austin 28–5 17–1 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
Stephen F. Austin: 210–43 (.830) 88–4 (.957)
Arkansas Ladybacks (Southeastern Conference) (1993–2003)
1993–94 Arkansas 15–14 3–8 9th
1994–95 Arkansas 23–7 7–4 T–4th NCAA Second Round
1995–96 Arkansas 21–13 3–8 10th WNIT Fourth Place
1996–97 Arkansas 18–10 5–7 T–7th
1997–98 Arkansas 22–11 7–7 T–6th NCAA Final Four
1998–99 Arkansas 20–14 5–9 11th WNIT Champions
1999–00 Arkansas 17–15 4–10 10th WNIT Semifinals
2000–01 Arkansas 20–13 6–8 T–6th NCAA Second Round
2001–02 Arkansas 20–12 7–7 T–7th NCAA Second Round
2002–03 Arkansas 22–11 7–7 7th NCAA Second Round
Arkansas: 198–120 (.623) 54–75 (.419)
Texas A&M Aggies (Big 12 Conference) (2003–2012)
2003–04 Texas A&M 9–19 2–14 T–11th
2004–05 Texas A&M 16–15 4–12 T–9th WNIT Quarterfinals
2005–06 Texas A&M 23–9 11–5 3rd NCAA First Round
2006–07 Texas A&M 25–7 13–3 T–1st NCAA Second Round
2007–08 Texas A&M 29–8 11–5 T–3rd NCAA Elite Eight
2008–09 Texas A&M 27–8 11–5 T–3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2009–10 Texas A&M 26–8 10–6 T–4th NCAA Second Round
2010–11 Texas A&M 33–5 13–3 2nd NCAA Champions
2011–12 Texas A&M 24–11 11–7 T–2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
Texas A&M: 212–90 (.702) 86–60 (.589)
Texas A&M Aggies (Southeastern Conference) (2012–present)
2012–13 Texas A&M 25–10 11–5 T–4th NCAA Second Round
2013–14 Texas A&M 27–9 13–3 T–2nd NCAA Elite Eight
2014–15 Texas A&M 23–10 10–6 T–4th NCAA First Round
2015–16 Texas A&M 22–10 11–5 T–2nd NCAA Second Round
2016–17 Texas A&M 22–12 9-7 6th NCAA Second Round
2017–18 Texas A&M 26–10 11-5 T-4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2018–19 Texas A&M 26–8 12-4 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2019–20 Texas A&M 22–7 10–6 T–3rd Postseason not held due to COVID-19
2020–21 Texas A&M 23–2 13–1 1st NCAA
Texas A&M: 428–169 (.717) 100–42 (.704)
Total: 836–332 (.716)
National champion Postseason invitational champion
Conference regular season champion Conference regular season and conference tournament champion
Division regular season champion Division regular season and conference tournament champion
Conference tournament champion

[Cooterpoot]

It'd take Gary the Snail from Spongebob over what we've got.

[basedog]

It'd take Gary the Snail from Spongebob over what we've got.

LOL, u win!

[Gutter Cobreh]

Big difference - Blair had Vic. Not sure Vic the first time had as much talent as Blair had either. I've watched Blair lay some pretty good eggs since Vic left TAMU.

There is no difference. Vic had (and still does) Harris. Without Harris, McCowan doesn't develop into the dominant player she became.

I have yet to see anyone say that we lost the National Championship because the assistant coaches didn't make the needed adjustments. The head coach gets the credit and gets the blame. The fact is and will remain that Vic choked when it mattered and Blair didn't.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There is no difference. Vic had (and still does) Harris. Without Harris, McCowan doesn't develop into the dominant player she became.

I have yet to see anyone say that we lost the National Championship because the assistant coaches didn't make the needed adjustments. The head coach gets the credit and gets the blame. The fact is and will remain that Vic choked when it mattered and Blair didn't.

Ssshhhh.....quiet down with that now!! The women's basketball cult will get you if you slander their hero Vic Schaefer. Even though up 17 in a championship game with Notre Dame unable to even bring the ball up the court he took out his two best defenders to put in his daughter and her best friend so they could have a Kodak moment. But no one talks about that.

[R2Dawg]

There is no difference. Vic had (and still does) Harris. Without Harris, McCowan doesn't develop into the dominant player she became.

I have yet to see anyone say that we lost the National Championship because the assistant coaches didn't make the needed adjustments. The head coach gets the credit and gets the blame. The fact is and will remain that Vic choked when it mattered and Blair didn't.

Can you listen to yourself. So assistant coaches when it is Vic don't matter but assistant coaches matter when it is Harris developing TM?

You just gave yourself no credibility there with that double standard.

Both are totally different situations.

To others I never said Blair wasn't a good coach but I've watched TAMU and them lay some major eggs. Vic laid a few but every coach does. So Vic gets no credit for Uconn win & Baylor and doing this at a school MSU that was like dead last in SEC in forever. Blair got to build his over time at a school with unlimited resources. Don't tell me there is no difference. The whole coaching staff matters of which Vic was a major part of TAMU winning it.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Can you listen to yourself. So assistant coaches when it is Vic don't matter but assistant coaches matter when it is Harris developing TM?

You just gave yourself no credibility there with that double standard.

Both are totally different situations.

To others I never said Blair wasn't a good coach but I've watched TAMU and them lay some major eggs. Vic laid a few but every coach does. So Vic gets no credit for Uconn win & Baylor and doing this at a school MSU that was like dead last in SEC in forever. Blair got to build his over time at a school with unlimited resources. Don't tell me there is no difference. The whole coaching staff matters of which Vic was a major part of TAMU winning it.

You're twisting words at this point. I'll settle it with a quick question: How many threads here have been started blaming our women's season on NMP or her assistant coaches?

[R2Dawg]

You're twisting words at this point. I'll settle it with a quick question: How many threads here have been started blaming our women's season on NMP or her assistant coaches?

No I am using exactly your words of what you said. You can't have it both ways. One way you gave HC credit for all the success Blair, the next sentence you gave the HC no credit Vic. You can do the double standard. Sorry, keepin it real.

I have no issue with anyone picking Blair but to knock Vic like some are doing is just ignorant. Compare what each coach did when Vic was at MSU. It ain't even close.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Vic as of today was our best coach ever at Miss state, Williams was close but Lemonis has a chance to take that over if he gets a title

[basedog]

Vic as of today was our best coach ever at Miss state, Williams was close but Lemonis has a chance to take that over if he gets a title

Wrong, Babe was our best ever!

[somebodyshotmypaw]

I would play for Vic in a heartbeat. Absolutely I would.

[Gutter Cobreh]

No I am using exactly your words of what you said. You can't have it both ways. One way you gave HC credit for all the success Blair, the next sentence you gave the HC no credit Vic. You can do the double standard. Sorry, keepin it real.

I have no issue with anyone picking Blair but to knock Vic like some are doing is just ignorant. Compare what each coach did when Vic was at MSU. It ain't even close.

Assistant coaches help develop players. They don't have final say on anything during the game, especially National Championship games.

I'm not taking anything away from Vic's role in Blair's success. One proved they could win when it was all on the line and the other choked though. It is what it is...

[basedog]

I wonder which team is worse "poison" for Vic and Texas, Baylor or South Carolina? I do think Big 12 is an easier league to compete.

[AROB44]

Wrong, Babe was our best ever!

Correct.....no contest!

[Leeshouldveflanked]

1. Babe
2. Mckeen
3. Vic
4. Mullen/Richard
6. Polk

[R2Dawg]

Assistant coaches help develop players. They don't have final say on anything during the game, especially National Championship games.

I'm not taking anything away from Vic's role in Blair's success. One proved they could win when it was all on the line and the other choked though. It is what it is...

So Blair couldn't even make it out of sweet 16 with a Final 4 team this year. Huh? Did Blair choke?

Vic didn't choke. First time, we just got thru with 2 of biggest wins in OT in WBBT history. They were gased.

Second time, we had that game won. Refs screwed us in the end and then they got a lucky last second shot. That could have happened to anyone. What did Vic do to choke? Coaches don't play the game, they don't miss shots.