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HoopsDawg
03-22-2021, 11:43 AM
want to "fix" college basketball. Start there.

msstate7
03-22-2021, 12:00 PM
Smart made 5 ncaa tournies in 6 years at vcu. In those 5, he made it past the 1st round 3 times with 1 being a final 4. At Texas, he's made the ncaa tourney 3 out of 5. Out of those 3, he hasn't made it past the 1st round.

This is completely unrelated to your post, but I do find it interesting when everyone is ready to jump on with the new, hot name

Commercecomet24
03-22-2021, 12:05 PM
want to "fix" college basketball. Start there.

Amen to that! That's insane, that it takes that kind of time! I've got to where I only watch the last 5 minutes of a college basketball game now.

Joebob
03-22-2021, 12:05 PM
want to "fix" college basketball. Start there.

Remember the game MSU played at Auburn three or four years ago? The final minute of the game took something like 34 minutes. There was at least one instance where MSU and Auburn both shot free throws and no time went off the clock in between. It was the worst I've ever seen.

msstate7
03-22-2021, 12:07 PM
want to "fix" college basketball. Start there.

How do you fix it? When your season is on the line, you have to try and extend game

HoopsDawg
03-22-2021, 12:33 PM
How do you fix it? When your season is on the line, you have to try and extend game

I don't know. It needs to be looked at though. Less timeouts. Less reivews. Faster reviews. Something. This ending was not an anomaly, it's the norm.

Irondawg
03-22-2021, 03:38 PM
Less timeouts for sure would speed it up or just make some a clock stoppage timeout only.

basedog
03-22-2021, 04:14 PM
Yes to how many time outs allowed, but I'd love to see no timeouts with less than a minute to play added! Talk about speed the game up!

Mjoelner34
03-22-2021, 04:33 PM
How do you fix it? When your season is on the line, you have to try and extend game

Starting with 2:00 left in the game, have a 10 second run-off every time a foul is committed by the trailing team. That will speed it up a little.

Quaoarsking
03-22-2021, 05:15 PM
Elam Ending.

smootness
03-22-2021, 05:17 PM
This has always been my problem with basketball. It's set up for the endings to be terrible and for the losing team to actually be at an advantage because they can trade 1-2 points for 3. The fact that the losing team can dictate what the winning team does on offense is a problem.

Maroonthirteen
03-22-2021, 05:26 PM
Starting with 2:00 left in the game, have a 10 second run-off every time a foul is committed by the trailing team. That will speed it up a little.

Yep! Only edit I would add is if the trailing fouls a shooter, no 10 second run off. If it is a foul on the floor, 10 seconds.

Maroonthirteen
03-22-2021, 05:30 PM
Smart made 5 ncaa tournies in 6 years at vcu. In those 5, he made it past the 1st round 3 times with 1 being a final 4. At Texas, he's made the ncaa tourney 3 out of 5. Out of those 3, he hasn't made it past the 1st round.

This is completely unrelated to your post, but I do find it interesting when everyone is ready to jump on with the new, hot name

Smart may be a very good coach. Sometimes a football name on a basketball jersey doesn't mean success.

Ari Gold
03-23-2021, 07:44 AM
When the final 1-2 minutes in games are slowed down and last for 10-15 it means 99% of the time the games outcome is still uncertain
Isn’t that why you watch games other than to pull for your team or if you have action on it.?? for the dramatic ending

They have taken away one timeout for teams already and they replaced another timeout with the use it or lose it first half timeout

Football and baseball are both longer in time than basketball

Yes most reviews take too long.. Only way to change that is to eliminate it or give the officials X amount of time once they start the review. And at least nothing can be reviewed unless it’s inside 2 minutes.. they did get that right

I was just waiting for someone to blame Howland for this... ***

Rex54
03-23-2021, 07:56 AM
How much of the fundamental nature of the game would change if every double bonus free throw went from two automatic shots to one shot and possession?

msstate7
03-23-2021, 08:06 AM
Smart may be a very good coach. Sometimes a football name on a basketball jersey doesn't mean success.

Since 2000, Texas has made the tourney 18 times (18/21 - .857). In those 21 appearances, they won 1 game 10 times (10/21 - .476). Smart is 3/5 in tourney appearances (3/5 - .600). In those 3 appearances, he's won 1 game 0 times (0/3 - .000). So, take smart out, and since 2000, Texas has made the tourney 15/16 (.938) and won 1 game 10/16 (.625).

Keep in mind, smart was the hottest name out there.

smootness
03-23-2021, 09:20 AM
When the final 1-2 minutes in games are slowed down and last for 10-15 it means 99% of the time the games outcome is still uncertain
Isn’t that why you watch games other than to pull for your team or if you have action on it.?? for the dramatic ending

They have taken away one timeout for teams already and they replaced another timeout with the use it or lose it first half timeout

Football and baseball are both longer in time than basketball

Yes most reviews take too long.. Only way to change that is to eliminate it or give the officials X amount of time once they start the review. And at least nothing can be reviewed unless it’s inside 2 minutes.. they did get that right

I was just waiting for someone to blame Howland for this... ***

The problem is that it may be a close game, so theoretically exciting...except the reason it's so slowed down is because a huge part of it is just free throws and dead time. That's not exciting.

Ari Gold
03-23-2021, 05:32 PM
The problem is that it may be a close game, so theoretically exciting...except the reason it's so slowed down is because a huge part of it is just free throws and dead time. That's not exciting.

Look at it like this .
Football is played for 60 minutes
How much of that 60 minutes is actual live action? Maybe 1/8
I bet there are more commercial breaks during a football game than basketball.

Maybe college hoops isn’t your cup of tea.. and that’s fine

Rex54
03-23-2021, 10:26 PM
Look at it like this .
Football is played for 60 minutes
How much of that 60 minutes is actual live action? Maybe 1/8
I bet there are more commercial breaks during a football game than basketball.

Maybe college hoops isn’t your cup of tea.. and that’s fine

College football has gotten boring as hell too. Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, rando

msstate7
03-24-2021, 07:50 AM
Would advancing the ball to half court on a TO help?

smootness
03-24-2021, 01:26 PM
Look at it like this .
Football is played for 60 minutes
How much of that 60 minutes is actual live action? Maybe 1/8
I bet there are more commercial breaks during a football game than basketball.

Maybe college hoops isn’t your cup of tea.. and that’s fine

I think there are now too many extended stops in football, too. But that's what the sport is from the opening kick on. It's isolated plays with stops in between, but the plays themselves are action-packed and intense. You also can't dictate what the other team does on offense at any point, you just have to stop them.

In basketball, not only are there extended stops at the end, far more so than at any other point in the game, but only when one team has the ball is there any actual action. You can dictate what the other team does by just immediately fouling them and sending them to the FT line. It allows for closer games sometimes, but it also feels artificial and cheap. It is just a feature of the way the sport works and the way it's officiated, though, you're right. And I've always had an issue with it. The Elam ending is an interesting idea to get away from that, and I also think refs more willing to call intentional fouls would also help avoid it as well. Figure out a way to force the defense to try to get stops or steals rather than just fouling the other team as fast as they can.