Diamond Dawgs vs. Corn Dogs

[KOdawg1]

Game 2 Thread

First pitch: 6:30 on SECN+ (LINK (hailst.at/2QkOza7))

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Weather: lower 60s, cloudy skies, and a light breeze blowing in

MSU Pitcher: RHP Will Bednar
0-0, 0.00 ERA, 2 H, 14 Ks, 0 BBs in 14 IP

LSU Pitcher: RHP Landon Marceaux
2-0, 0.00 ERA, 12 H, 32 Ks, 3 BBs in 23 IP
Scouting Report: 6'0" 180 lbs. Junior; Four pitch guy who locates all four well; Low to mid 90s fastball, high 70s curveball, mid 80s slider, and low 80s changeup.

MSU Lineup:
1. Dubrule - L
2. Rowdy - S
3. Allen - L
4. James - R
5. Hancock - L
6. Tanner - R
7. Hatcher - L
8. Skinner - L
9. Forsythe - R

LSU Lineup:
1. Crews - R
2. Morgan - L
3. Doughty - R
4. Dugas - R
5. Beloso - L
6. DiGiacomo - L
7. Thompson - R
8. Cranford - R
9. Milazzo - R

[ZedFedder]

Going to have to do well and be efficient to get runs.

[KOdawg1]

Going to have to do well and be efficient to get runs.

Yep. Hopefully we can get in their bullpen.

[Saltydog]

Marceaux is very good. We?ll have our hands full again tonight for sure. Let?s hope Will is on his game.

[Rex54]

Tanner Allen's swing is in a good spot right now to send that one right back up the middle.

[Rex54]

Christ, Forsythe.

[skadoosh14]

Very rare error for Forsythe. That should not have gone down as a hit.

[Hambone]

That’s his first error, isn’t it?

[HoopsDawg]

Very rare error for Forsythe. That should not have gone down as a hit.

sucks for Bednar if that guy ends up scoring.

[HoopsDawg]

That’s his first error, isn’t it?

2nd.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Need a K and a grounder.

[skadoosh14]

Not looking good fellas

[Lord McBuckethead]

So far Bednar is giving in against every batter with a 1-2 count.

[Lord McBuckethead]

And there we go.

[HoopsDawg]

nice turn dubrule.

[Lord McBuckethead]

We got the K and the grounder. No harm no foul.

[skadoosh14]

LETS GO BOYS

[BuckyIsAB****]

Clutch

[Lord McBuckethead]

0-0 top of 2.

[RocketDawg]

Nice job getting out of that inning. That should pump 'em up a little.

Is the announcer the regular LSU announcer?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Can Logan Tanner stand further from the plate?

[skadoosh14]

Is the announcer the regular LSU announcer?

Yeah, that's Ben McDonald and Lynn Rollins. I'm sure you remember Ben.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Nice job getting out of that inning. That should pump 'em up a little.

Is the announcer the regular LSU announcer?

I think so. He calls a good game. We need a runner.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Making weak contact other than Allens liner. Looks like our hitters are not looking to drive it.

[Homedawg]

Making weak contact other than Allens liner. Looks like our hitters are not looking to drive it.

Omg. Smdh....

[RocketDawg]

Yeah, that's Ben McDonald and Lynn Rollins. I'm sure you remember Ben.

Yes, familiar with Ben. Just didn't know about the other guy, Lynn.

[skadoosh14]

Great job by Bednar coming back from that 3-0 count

[skadoosh14]

That one looked really good off the bat. Thought it was out for sure.

[RocketDawg]

Barely misses? The ball was almost in the dirt.

[RocketDawg]

The should review the out at second. The SS didn't have his foot on the bag when he caught the ball.

[SailingDawg]

LSU announcer said MSU leads the series, which began in 1905. Never figured that would be true.

[skadoosh14]

LSU announcer said MSU leads the series, which began in 1905. Never figured that would be true.

We only have losing records against 3 SEC teams. One of them is South Carolina, and they only have 3 more wins than us.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Just battle at the plate we will get there

[KOdawg1]

We only have losing records against 3 SEC teams. One of them is South Carolina, and they only have 3 more wins than us.

Decent chance we get those 3 wins back with our series vs them

[Rex54]

Love Bednar's ability to attack the zone.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Decent chance we get those 3 wins back with our series vs them

Somehow Alabama is one of them. Did they used to be good in baseball way back in the day? South Carolina is decent though so getting a sweep would be tough. I think UF has a big advantage on us

[BrunswickDawg]

Somehow Alabama is one of them. Did they used to be good in baseball way back in the day? South Carolina is decent though so getting a sweep would be tough. I think UF has a big advantage on us

They dominated the SEC in the '30s and '40s and were pretty good in the 80s with Dave Magadan.

[Saltydog]

They dominated the SEC in the '30s and '40s and were pretty good in the 80s with Dave Magadan.

They were damn good in the late 90's too. Beat us in the '97 CWS.

[mparkerfd20]

Not even close. James is out. Don't know why they are reviewing.

[PGHBulldogBG]

They dominated the SEC in the '30s and '40s and were pretty good in the 80s with Dave Magadan.

Makes sense I thought I heard they were good in the 80s but didn?t know much about their history before that. Now I really want to sweep SC this year

[HoopsDawg]

we haven't had a lot of luck with hit and run/squeeze plays this year. Marceaux picked a hell of a time to miss the zone by 2 feet.

[Homedawg]

Two good pitchers going here.

[HoopsDawg]

man, I'd love to get 6 out of Bednar.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

man, I'd love to get 6 out of Bednar.

I think he will go 5.

[BeardoMSU]

Beldar is filthy. Would love to get 6 out of him tonight.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Bednar could go 8 or 9 at this rate

[Bulldog1]

Need to get into their bullpen

[Bulldog1]

man, I'd love to get 6 out of Bednar.

That would be great

[Rex54]

Good bunt Hatcher. Let's capitalize here.

[Saltydog]

We gotta score right here.....

[HoopsDawg]

Nice job Hatch and the 2 Logan's.

[RocketDawg]

Good to get that run. Runs are going to be hard to come by tonight, at least as long as these two pitchers are in.

[HoopsDawg]

Wow, threw out Skinner on a slider. Didn't think that was possible.

[mparkerfd20]

Skinner was safe

[Lord McBuckethead]

Can we start to slide to the front corner of 2nd base? That is two in a row where a terrible path to the base leads to tag outs.

[KOdawg1]

We're on the board. Mar-So up above 70 pitches now.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Bednar could go 8 or 9 at this rate

I would be shocked if he goes more than 6. And I honestly think we will pull him after only 5.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Skinner was safe

Agreed. I think that ump didn't see the tag, but guessed when the tag was applied.

[RocketDawg]

Skinner was safe

At the least, it was closer than the one they reviewed.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I would be shocked if he goes more than 6. And I honestly think we will pull him after only 5.

65 max pitch count.

[HoopsDawg]

I think 75 is the maximum.

[HoopsDawg]

Whoa, I didn't know Bednar had that change up.

[Saltydog]

Bednar may be tiring a bit. His last fb was 89. Need him to get out of this inning and bring in Sims.

[HoopsDawg]

Yep, this is it for Bednar. Velo down a little.

[RocketDawg]

Just need one more out, but he's losing control a bit as well as speed.

[RocketDawg]

Might want to take him out now.

[KOdawg1]

His velo is dropping. Down to 88

[BeardoMSU]

Now the ump wants to squeeze? ffs

[HoopsDawg]

Great freaking job Bednar. Hand the ball to Landon for hopefully 3 innings.

[BeardoMSU]

Got out of it! Whew! Good job Beldar.

[Saltydog]

Dubrule is good for his usual routine ground ball to 2nd......

[Saltydog]

Johnson warming up.....Interesting.....

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Johnson warming up.....Interesting.....

Probably going to use him for 1 inning is my guess. Maybe 2.

[Homedawg]

Only one issue w this staff, if you want to call it that, no big time lhp in the pen at this point. Tullar is talented. And carmouche is going to be a stud. But just green.

[BayouDawg]

Freaking walks

[HoopsDawg]

wow, suprising to see Patrick warming up.

[KOdawg1]

I despise walks

[BayouDawg]

Get us one more out Johnson

[Saltydog]

Yeah, kinda wish we had one of those lefties that could drop down 3/4 and maybe a matchup guy......

[Bulldog1]

Whew...

[KOdawg1]

My heart stopped. Thank you wind.

[BeardoMSU]

Whew....that sounded like trouble.

[BayouDawg]

That was a close call.

[HoopsDawg]

I thought we would go Sims for 3 innings and Stinnett for 1. But PJ did a job. Let's go with Sims and win or lose with our best.

[Dawgcap]

A deep breath on that swing!! Great inning to get us through 6

[Percho]

I think he missed his spot.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Jay Powell says P Johnson was fortunate not to get tagged this inning

Paraphrased

[magrooder]

WOW, I thought that was outahere!

[Hambone]

Didn’t Butch Thompson specialize in drop down pitching?

Seems like I remember him always having a “drop down” clinic while he was here, or am I making that up?

[BuckyIsAB****]

This shows me we have lost some confidence in Spencer price unless he is injured

[Homedawg]

WOW, I thought that was outahere!

Normal day and it was. #windsaver

[Dawgcap]

2 runs right here. I?m calling it

[The Federalist Engineer]

I don’t think Johnson gets another inning, good learning experience without trauma

[BayouDawg]

I thought we would go Sims for 3 innings and Stinnett for 1. But PJ did a job. Let's go with Sims and win or lose with our best.

Surely thats what theyll do. If they do put Patrick in does that mean they want sims to be able to close today and tomorrow?

[Saltydog]

Yes, he did. Butch was a 3/4 soft tossing lefty himself.

[Saltydog]

Yeah, that's true. He just doesn't have enough zip on his fb post injury and just has that slider. That won't work in this league.

[KOdawg1]

This shows me we have lost some confidence in Spencer price unless he is injured

Spencer has been around awhile and had a good career, but his stuff is sub-par compared to some on the rest of this staff.

[HoopsDawg]

Nice AB Luke

[The Federalist Engineer]

Marceaux at 92 pitches

But LSU dont care, they would crucify any kid for a win

[Saltydog]

Hatcher needs to pull one down that left field line and get one outta here.....

[RocketDawg]

Pretty good catch by the Italian.

[KOdawg1]

You could make a drinking game out of them saying "DiGiacomo" and you'd be dead after 5 minutes.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Sims please

[Homedawg]

Marceaux at 92 pitches

But LSU dont care, they would crucify any kid for a win

When did 92 pitches become a ton???

[Saltydog]

It was worse last night with Hill.....

[RocketDawg]

You could make a drinking game out of them saying "DiGiacomo" and you'd be dead after 5 minutes.

Pretty cool name. I wonder what they call him daily - Giovanni is a mouthful.

[The Federalist Engineer]

When did 92 pitches become a ton???

Getting close to 100, thats all

He has been solid, like to see him rested is all

[RocketDawg]

They left me out of the list of famous State grads ....

[Rex54]

We don't need Sims to "close" for us this year. We should use him whenever there is a high leverage opportunity and ride him until.... similar to Jonathan Holder in years past. Could be 4th inning, could be 7th, etc.

ETA I would bring him in for the 8th no question and this inning if a runner gets on base.

[RocketDawg]

Does that guy pull 95% of his hits to the left side? That's a pretty serious shift they do.

[Saltydog]

Johnson getting behind and pitching up in the zone. Scares the hell outta me.....

[BeardoMSU]

We don't need Sims to "close" for us this year. We should use him whenever there is a high leverage opportunity and ride him until.... similar to Jonathan Holder in years past. Could be 4th inning, could be 7th, etc.

ETA I would bring him in for the 8th no question and this inning if a runner gets on base.

Did you watch those games? Holder was absolutely the 9th inning "closer" for us.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Jay Powell says Sims is up and due next

[KOdawg1]

They're tattooing PJ.

ETA still, nice job of bridging the gap from Bednar to Sims

[BeardoMSU]

Jay Powell says Sims is up and due next

Just showed him in the pen throwing hard.

Good job, Preston. 6 outs away.

[HoopsDawg]

Boy, Logan Tanner is really working with PJ.

[BrunswickDawg]

They're tattooing PJ.
Just loud outs

[Activated Alpha]

They're tattooing PJ.

Good strikeout there

[Rex54]

Did you watch those games? Holder was absolutely the 9th inning "closer" for us.

You continue to astound us with your ignorance. He would notoriously come in during the middle innings. Did he finish a lot of games, yes, but we weren't waiting around for the 9th to deploy him.

[BayouDawg]

Glad Johnson got through that. Now to sims

[Dawgcap]

Great job! Crank those bats!! Big opportunity!

[The Federalist Engineer]

Did you watch those games? Holder was absolutely the 9th inning "closer" for us.

I only recall the start versus Laffy in the regional championship

Man, we should have started Holder vs UCLA in game-1. He had 10x the testosterone of Trevor Fitts

[HoopsDawg]

If we can add 1 more run, I will feel pretty dang good.

[BeardoMSU]

I only recall the start versus Laffy in the regional championship

Man, we should have started Holder vs UCLA in game-1. He had 10x the testosterone of Trevor Fitts

He didn't start vs LaLa, he came in in like the 4th I think in a must win game. Can't not pitch him in that series, so might as well throw him there.

[BuckyIsAB****]

1 more run

[BeardoMSU]

Here we go. Lead off walk. Lets get one more, boys.

[KOdawg1]

Lead off walk. Make em pay

[Dawgcap]

Be didn?t get through it. He pitched well

[Saltydog]

Alright Rowdey.....Need a 2 out hit right here.....

[HoopsDawg]

if we get a bunt down, it's 2-0.

[Saltydog]

Hell yeah. RJ comes thru....

[BeardoMSU]

There we go Rowdy! 2-0!

[HoopsDawg]

2-0 any way. Nice job RJ.

[RocketDawg]

Well, now we have a hit with a runner on base.

[KOdawg1]

HUGE

[Dawgcap]

Huge run!!!

[BeardoMSU]

Sims needs to come out and smother their hopes and dreams.

[BuckyIsAB****]

That is why Rowdy is our guy

[The Federalist Engineer]

He didn't start vs LaLa, he came in in like the 4th I think in a must win game. Can't not pitch him in that series, so might as well throw him there.

Im totally mistaken- I was making Cohen smarter than he ever was.

Lucas Laster started

I recall the Ump killed a few rallies. I had to stop watching and take a walk around the block

[RocketDawg]

Maybe Sims will have 33 strikeouts in a couple of minutes.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Dylan Crews for LSU was the #13 rated HS player in the nation. Blue Chip of Blue Chip

[RocketDawg]

It's getting a little scary.

[HoopsDawg]

can't overturn that call.

[magrooder]

Not really enough to overturn it.

[HoopsDawg]

Dylan Crews for LSU was the #13 rated HS player in the nation. Blue Chip of Blue Chip

He's a stud.

[RocketDawg]

He was safe.

[KOdawg1]

I think he's safe, but there isn't enough to overturn it imo

[magrooder]

Home cooking.

[msstate7]

I hate it, but good call

[Homedawg]

They got it right.

[Percho]

I hate it, but good call

I agree

[HoopsDawg]

I'll say this, if we are going to have that shift on, that play has to be made.

[magrooder]

This ump is not calling the corners

[Homedawg]

Home cooking.

Not it wasn't. They got it right. Period

[BayouDawg]

Please dont crap the bed now

[Percho]

Umpire behind the plate is killing us

[R2Dawg]

Not really enough to overturn it.

Ump has gotten tight on the strike zone.

[Homedawg]

This ump is not calling the corners

He's gotten tighter. That's the problem. Get a zone and stick with it. That's all I ask

[RocketDawg]

I believe that is the third jam we've gotten out of.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Good job KJ

FU Corndogs

[HoopsDawg]

I'll say this, if we are going to have that shift on, that play has to be made.

In other words, if there's no shift on, Forsythe makes that play relatively easy.

[magrooder]

Not it wasn't. They got it right. Period

Thank you for your opinion.

[KOdawg1]

Review that one b*tches

[BayouDawg]

Whew just 3 more outs

[R2Dawg]

I think he's safe, but there isn't enough to overturn it imo

Agree with this and many can't see the difference. I think he may have been safe too but there is no undisputable evidence so you have to go with call on the field. Another misapplied application of the replay rule straight from the SEC office in Birmingham.

[BayouDawg]

In other words, if there's no shift on, Forsythe makes that play relatively easy.

I thought the same thing. But would Forsyth have been there in a normal position? Or was it too far up the middle?

[Homedawg]

Thank you for your opinion.

Not an opinion....

[HoopsDawg]

I thought the same thing. But would Forsyth have been there in a normal position? Or was it too far up the middle?

Just 1 or 2 steps to his left.

[HoopsDawg]

Hancock has maybe the best strike zone discipline I've ever seen at MSU.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Need a 2 run Jack

This LSU kid is monster sized

[Dawgcap]

See I understand the question. He was safe but for the question of the shift. We have saved more than we lost. That?s the point. It?s not perfect but it has saved us more than it hurt us.

[RocketDawg]

Couple of insurance runs would be nice here.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Need a back breaking hit here

[BuckyIsAB****]

Tanner shutting me up 2 late clutch hits for him last night and tonight

[KOdawg1]

Big run there.

[BeardoMSU]

Lets go!

[HoopsDawg]

Tanner shutting me up 2 late clutch hits for him last night and tonight

Yeah, that was not one of your better takes.

[magrooder]

Good time for another run.

[RocketDawg]

Bet Skinner wishes he had that swing back.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Skinner couldnt have hit that with a paddle

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yeah, that was not one of your better takes.

Thanks Ill gladly eat it

[Homedawg]

Hancock has maybe the best strike zone discipline I've ever seen at MSU.

He never, or rarely looks fooled. All his takes are good. Very good

[RocketDawg]

And, another shutout.

[KOdawg1]

SERIES DUB

[HoopsDawg]

squeezed every run possible. grinded AB's. And pitched fantasticly.

[BeardoMSU]

These boys are good. Huge series win. Lets get out the brooms tomorrow. Short leash for Cerantola.

[VandelayIndustries]

Series win against two really good pitchers

[Dawgcap]

Huge Win!! Hail State!! Let?s go!!!!

[BuckyIsAB****]

Eat shit LSU

[Cowbell]

In other words, if there's no shift on, Forsythe makes that play relatively easy.
Lemons said last night that we were 19-4 on plays made with the shift on / that fans only remember the ones we miss.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Solid win tonight. We needed to scavenge runs and we did at every opportunity.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I want that sweep! What a huge series win. Great players and great coaching!

[The Federalist Engineer]

O Canada, O Canada, O Canada

We need a Sweep

[Lord McBuckethead]

Lemons said last night that we were 19-4 on plays made with the shift on / that fans only remember the ones we miss.

How many of those would have been made anyway? The shift in the 8th would have been a straight away play for the SS in normal position.

[maroonmania]

Great series win! Just can't say enough about this pitching staff. A shutout tonight pitching with a home plate ump that had one of the tightest strike zones I've seen this year. Glad we got today's game because Cerantola starting tomorrow scares me to death.

[HoopsDawg]

These boys are good. Huge series win. Lets get out the brooms tomorrow. Short leash for Cerantola.

We've got Koestler, Harding, Stinnett, Fristoe, and others. Very, very Short leash.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Tanner shutting me up 2 late clutch hits for him last night and tonight

He does need to shorten his stroke sometimes.

[Lord McBuckethead]

We've got Koestler, Harding, Stinnett, Fristoe, and others. Very, very Short leash.

I bet we pitch 7 pitchers tomorrow. 5-4 dog win for the sweep.

[Cowbell]

I'm anxious to see the Canadian tomorrow. This is gonna be so much fun for the next few months.

[maroonmania]

How many of those would have been made anyway? The shift in the 8th would have been a straight away play for the SS in normal position.

Agree, hopefully he's only counting hits taken away. Just because a guy hit into the shift doesn't mean it wouldn't have been an out just the same without the shift.

[parabrave]

What is Lemon going to do with Fristoe? Move him in long relief? Midweek starter?

[shoeless joe]

Great victory, great pitching, great defense, timely grinding ABs.

And if that last LSU pitcher doesn’t epitomize a cut off sleeve wearin LSU fan from south Mississippi then nobody does.

[BeardoMSU]

We've got Koestler, Harding, Stinnett, Fristoe, and others. Very, very Short leash.

Indeed. I would love nothing better than for him to go out and have an outing like he did last week, sans the HR, lol.

[Cowbell]

How many of those would have been made anyway? The shift in the 8th would have been a straight away play for the SS in normal position.

What about the play to end the game?

[BeardoMSU]

What is Lemon going to do with Fristoe? Move him in long relief? Midweek starter?

Bring him in tomorrow bot1 with bases loaded no outs.**

[R2Dawg]

Could we be #1 next week? Ark lost 3 in a row and looked bad doing it. We win series at LSU.

[Saltydog]

He'll be the first one outta the pen tomorrow. Harding pitching too well in that mid-week spot to move him.

[KOdawg1]

Could we be #1 next week? Ark lost 3 in a row and looked bad doing it. We win series at LSU.

Think Vandy will be

[Saltydog]

IF we sweep tomorrow and Vandy loses then it's possible. Other than that, I doubt it.

[Dawgcap]

How many of those would have been made anyway? The shift in the 8th would have been a straight away play for the SS in normal position.

At some point you need to realize you are playing checkers our coach is playing chess. So tell us when it works not when it hurts. We have saved way more than we lost

[Homedawg]

How many of those would have been made anyway? The shift in the 8th would have been a straight away play for the SS in normal position.

You are the guy in the football crowd begging our def coordinator to blitz. When we get burned on a long td pass you scream I knew that was stupid to blitz there.....

[R2Dawg]

Think Vandy will be

Maybe but I think what we have done has been more impressive especially if we sweep LSU. Combine that with what our pitching has done the past 2 weeks. Don't see how we are not.

[PGHBulldogBG]

We should be #1. Winning a series in Baton Rouge as a top 5 team before that deserves the 1 spot

[R2Dawg]

Think Vandy will be

We are #2 in baseball America so we should jump Ark.

[Homedawg]

Maybe but I think what we have done has been more impressive especially if we sweep LSU. Combine that with what our pitching has done the past 2 weeks. Don't see how we are not.
Vandy's pitching has been pretty salty.... Js

[Homedawg]

How many of those would have been made anyway? The shift in the 8th would have been a straight away play for the SS in normal position.

But we wouldn't have played him straight up. It's pretty obvious he was a pull hitter so your logic doesn't work. Our shift has worked. Is it perfect? No. If it was we'd no hit everyone except when they hit a home run. ... play the odds. They have lots and lots of data to go by. They aren't pulling this shit out of a hat.

[HoopsDawg]

Vandy's pitching has been pretty salty.... Js

I think Vandy is the number 1 team in the country. But we are dang good too.

[KOdawg1]

The shift is one of those things that no one really notices when it works, and freak out when it doesn't. More times than not, it works. We have guys keeping up with the +/- with all that.

[Homedawg]

I think Vandy is the number 1 team in the country. But we are dang good too.

I won't argue w that at all. And I think we end up one in a poll. But at this point it doesn't matter. Just keep winning.

[Homedawg]

The shift is one of those things that no one really notices when it works, and freak out when it doesn't. More times than not, it works. We have guys keeping up with the +/- with all that.

Thank you. And correct.

[HoopsDawg]

The shift is one of those things that no one really notices when it works, and freak out when it doesn't. More times than not, it works. We have guys keeping up with the +/- with all that.

I love the shift vs Lefties. Against Righties not as much.

[Homedawg]

I love the shift vs Lefties. Against Righties not as much.

It's worked against righties a ton already. Is it perfect no? Nothing is

[Todd4State]

But we wouldn't have played him straight up. It's pretty obvious he was a pull hitter so your logic doesn't work. Our shift has worked. Is it perfect? No. If it was we'd no hit everyone except when they hit a home run. ... play the odds. They have lots and lots of data to go by. They aren't pulling this shit out of a hat.

That's one thing a lot of fans in general in the baseball world don't understand about baseball stats. They're essentially odds and there a favorable and a not favorable outcome. Sometimes the not so favorable thing happens. And it doesn't mean that the coach made the wrong decision. Sometimes the right decision doesn't work out.

[Saltydog]

I checked our RPI at warrennolan just for shits and giggles. It's pretty meaningless at this point but I wanted to see how our old friends Tulane and Kent State were doing. Kent has lost four straight and now sits at 6-8. First to a 200 plus Seton Hall team and this weekend has lost 3 straight to a 2-10 Northern Illinois team. Their RPI has dropped 125 points in the last week to 182. Honestly, I thought they were better than that. Tulane has gone 6-5 since our series (9-9 overall) and has been shutout twice this weekend by a good La Tech team. They wrap up that series tomorrow and then play LSU mid-week.

[HoopsDawg]

It's worked against righties a ton already. Is it perfect no? Nothing is

Yep, obvious statment by you. Just my opinion on the R/L thing and it's shared by some Major League clubs.

In general, I'm a big fan of the shift. It's backfired 3 times in 2 games this weekend and only worked once so there is going to be a recency bias.

[Homedawg]

Yep, obvious statment by you. Just my opinion on the R/L thing and it's shared by some Major League clubs.

In general, I'm a big fan of the shift. It's backfired 3 times in 2 games this weekend and only worked once so there is going to be a recency bias.

It's worked more than once. You haven't been paying attention. And what are the back fires? A bunt? Ok you win. A pop fly that should have been caught by not one but two people? What's the other? Bc if you say the play that debrule had you'd be wrong. We would have still been playing him to a major pull and we wouldn't have gotten a glove on it. So great 3 examples.

[Homedawg]

Here's something to think about lsu has a bunt single, a pop fly single that was a can of corn, an error that was ruled a hit as part of their what? 9 hits for the weekend?? This isn't a bad hitting team. And we have absolutely shut their butts down. Completely. And it's not like they have hard hit balls for outs. You can count those on less than one hand. We've pitched really well. .... master of the obvious.

[HoopsDawg]

It's worked more than once. You haven't been paying attention. And what are the back fires? A bunt? Ok you win. A pop fly that should have been caught by not one but two people? What's the other? Bc if you say the play that debrule had you'd be wrong. We would have still been playing him to a major pull and we wouldn't have gotten a glove on it. So great 3 examples.

If we can't agree on facts then the discussion is over.

[Homedawg]

If we can't agree on facts then the discussion is over.

So the shift just helped us once this weekend?? Hahaha. Sorry only one of us has the facts. And if you think that it's hurt us three times, then you're right, we don't need to, cause it's hurt is once, on the bunt. ... the other was bad fly ball communication. And the last was the only way we would have even touched the ball. Sorry it takes twice for you to understand that.

[Saltydog]

Yep. If not for the miscommunication between Dubrule and TA last night that would be two shutouts in a row against a good hitting team that leads the NCAA in Hr's.

[HoopsDawg]

So the shift just helped us once this weekend?? Hahaha. Sorry only one of us has the facts. And if you think that it's hurt us three times, then you're right, we don't need to, cause it's hurt is once, on the bunt. ... the other was bad fly ball communication. And the last was the only way we would have even touched the ball. Sorry it takes twice for you to understand that.

If we don't have the shift on, Dubrule easily catches the pop fly last night. Surely you get that.

If your 2nd baseman is going to his right and having to make a throw that far from the other side of the 2nd base bag then it's not a proper shift. That was a routine ground ball tonight. If there's not shift on do you think we are going to have Forsythe in the deep 6 hole, lol. No, he easily makes that play.

[Homedawg]

If we don't have the shift on, Dubrule easily catches the pop fly last night. Surely you get that.

If your 2nd baseman is going to his right and having to make a throw that far from the other side of the 2nd base bag then it's not a proper shift. That was a routine ground ball tonight. If there's not shift on do you think we are going to have Forsythe in the deep 6 hole, lol. No, he easily makes that play.

If we do have the shift on dubrule should easily catch that ball surely you get that....he literally looked at Tanner and Tanner looked at him. He could and should have easily caught that ball. And he'll tell you that

[Homedawg]

If we don't have the shift on, Dubrule easily catches the pop fly last night. Surely you get that.

If your 2nd baseman is going to his right and having to make a throw that far from the other side of the 2nd base bag then it's not a proper shift. That was a routine ground ball tonight. If there's not shift on do you think we are going to have Forsythe in the deep 6 hole, lol. No, he easily makes that play.

So it's not a proper shift because we didn't get the out on that play?? Oh my. Can't help you with that one.

[Homedawg]

So you just want us to play every hitter "straight up" no steps to the pull, no steps oppo.....Bc that's what you are basing your argument on. If so cool...

[Activated Alpha]

Always nice when we can argue over the analytics of a win instead of a loss. Drink up and be merry boys!! Let?s go for the sweep!!

[Homedawg]

Always nice when we can argue over the analytics of a win instead of a loss. Drink up and be merry boys!! Let?s go for the sweep!!

Correct!!!!

[Rex54]

I wish the shift would be banned, but it clearly does benefit the defense. I'm not sure how this is a debate.

[Todd4State]

I wish the shift would be banned, but it clearly does benefit the defense. I'm not sure how this is a debate.

There is a possibility of that happening in MLB in the near future.

[Todd4State]

I checked our RPI at warrennolan just for shits and giggles. It's pretty meaningless at this point but I wanted to see how our old friends Tulane and Kent State were doing. Kent has lost four straight and now sits at 6-8. First to a 200 plus Seton Hall team and this weekend has lost 3 straight to a 2-10 Northern Illinois team. Their RPI has dropped 125 points in the last week to 182. Honestly, I thought they were better than that. Tulane has gone 6-5 since our series (9-9 overall) and has been shutout twice this weekend by a good La Tech team. They wrap up that series tomorrow and then play LSU mid-week.

Our RPI is 16 right now. If we win 20+ SEC games I don't think our RPI will be a factor and will probably take care of itself.

[HoopsDawg]

So you just want us to play every hitter "straight up" no steps to the pull, no steps oppo.....Bc that's what you are basing your argument on. If so cool...

You're in the booze again. As stated, I love the shift. I generally prefer it against lefties more than righties. Data backs that up. That doesn't change the fact that the shift cost us on the 3 plays I mentioned. But please keep arguing. It's entertaining.

[The Federalist Engineer]

I wish the shift would be banned, but it clearly does benefit the defense. I'm not sure how this is a debate.

https://blog.datasciencedojo.com/mlb-does-the-shift-work/

Numbers show limited effect but it changes the game in favor of strikeouts and some dudes went extinct like Ryan Howard

[BeardoMSU]

Always nice when we can argue over the analytics of a win instead of a loss. Drink up and be merry boys!! Let?s go for the sweep!!

Post of the thread. Hear, hear.

[Lord McBuckethead]

So the shift just helped us once this weekend?? Hahaha. Sorry only one of us has the facts. And if you think that it's hurt us three times, then you're right, we don't need to, cause it's hurt is once, on the bunt. ... the other was bad fly ball communication. And the last was the only way we would have even touched the ball. Sorry it takes twice for you to understand that.

Dude, he literally hit the ball exactly where our Ss would have lined up.

[Lord McBuckethead]

What about the play to end the game?

What do you mean? He hit it directly to our SS that was playing his position straight up, if memory serves me.

Look, i love the shift, but sometimes it does not work out. Most times it does. That is why I like it.

[Rex54]

Always nice when we can argue over the analytics of a win instead of a loss. Drink up and be merry boys!! Let?s go for the sweep!!

Do you still stand by this howler of a quote below??


there is a reason I'm negative regarding baseball. I can't outright say why, but there is a valid reason.

[R2Dawg]

Vandy's pitching has been pretty salty.... Js

I'm sure it has but our # of runs given up, strikeouts, shutouts, etc. the past 2 weeks is second to no one.

Point of my original post was not who is better, can debate that till cows come home, we are rolling Ark is reeling and we are #2 in one poll. Don't see how we are not at least #1 in one poll and #2 in another.

[Cowbell]

What do you mean? He hit it directly to our SS that was playing his position straight up, if memory serves me.

Look, i love the shift, but sometimes it does not work out. Most times it does. That is why I like it.
According to Jim, we had the shift on and because of that he didn't have to move