WBB Roster Attrition

[HaggardDawg]

SR had been adamant for several weeks there will be transfers "for the betterment of the team". This tells me he may know exactly who's leaving or who is causing issues.

This may be a premature topic but any idea who it could be? I have my suspicions but I don't think any of us know unless you have good info from within the program. So any clues?

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

SR had been adamant for several weeks there will be transfers "for the betterment of the team". This tells me he may know exactly who's leaving or who is causing issues.

This may be a premature topic but any idea who it could be? I have my suspicions but I don't think any of us know unless you have good info from within the program. So any clues?

"For the betterment of the team"....hahaha that's funny. This is damage control for the players who are leaving. The reality is NMP is in serious trouble. We are are going to continue the downward trend in WBB

[KB21]

I may very well be most of our most talented players. Rickea, JaMya, Matharu, Carter, possibly Hayes. These girls came here to win, and it's beyond obvious they have no confidence in this coach.

[preachermatt83]

"For the betterment of the team"....hahaha that's funny. This is damage control for the players who are leaving. The reality is NMP is in serious trouble. We are are going to continue the downward trend in WBB

Yup!

[Cooterpoot]

Nikki has run them off and will tear it down like I said. Screw John Cohen! This has become his thing with every hire. Just tear it apart and start over. Completely different direction. He knew when he hired her she was wanting to move to a pressing and running style. He should've known this shit wouldn't work.

[HancockCountyDog]

I have to admit that I don't follow Women's basketball that closely, but how the hell do we go from a Final Four team, to perennial Top 10 team - to a team that goes 10-9 and 5-7 in the SEC in one season?

I mean, what the hell.

[MadDawg]

I have to admit that I don't follow Women's basketball that closely, but how the hell do we go from a Final Four team, to perennial Top 10 team - to a team that goes 10-9 and 5-7 in the SEC in one season?

I mean, what the hell.

It just shows again that loads of talent with no direction is at best mediocre.

[MaroonFlounder]

Coach Nikki came in with an incredible resume'. I was 100% on board. Now I wonder if it was a "diversity" hire more than anything.

Wishing now that we had just promoted Johnnie Harris.

[basedog]

Nikki has run them off and will tear it down like I said. Screw John Cohen! This has become his thing with every hire. Just tear it apart and start over. Completely different direction. He knew when he hired her she was wanting to move to a pressing and running style. He should've known this shit wouldn't work.

Good Coaches make the correct moves with style of play especially a young team. Nothing wrong with wanting and changing but to change with what was working in your first year with a young team was down right dumb! Her problem is she is a soft coach and players have no respect for her and no hustle which is the coaches problem. She should have been sitting players who don't listen or do what is needed.
Bad hire yes so far, we shall see what happens say next year but I'm not thinking she will stay 3 or 4 years IF things stay the same.
I'm not putting all the blame on Cohen from what I've seen on the floor from this team.

[HaggardDawg]

Not saying SR knows what he's talking about on this but he has said that there were issues last year when Vic was here with certain players that never got reported. So that elimates Madison hayes.

[R2Dawg]

SR had been adamant for several weeks there will be transfers "for the betterment of the team". This tells me he may know exactly who's leaving or who is causing issues.

This may be a premature topic but any idea who it could be? I have my suspicions but I don't think any of us know unless you have good info from within the program. So any clues?

Someone is leaving for the betterment of the team, so are you saying NMP is leaving?

[R2Dawg]

Coach Nikki came in with an incredible resume'. I was 100% on board. Now I wonder if it was a "diversity" hire more than anything.

Wishing now that we had just promoted Johnnie Harris.

That resume that you speak of was mostly as player and carrying another coaches clipboard, not a HC. Mostly unknown.

[MaroonFlounder]

That resume that you speak of was mostly as player and carrying another coaches clipboard, not a HC. Mostly unknown.

Old Dominion?

[Cooterpoot]

Not saying SR knows what he's talking about on this but he has said that there were issues last year when Vic was here with certain players that never got reported. So that elimates Madison hayes.

There weren't issues last year on the court. The issues were being late for shoot around. It's being used to try to paint this situation a certain way. But last year the one they're talking about played lights out and played hard. Did some FR stuff, but that's it.

[confucius say]

There weren't issues last year on the court. The issues were being late for shoot around. It's being used to try to paint this situation a certain way. But last year the one they're talking about played lights out and played hard. Did some FR stuff, but that's it.

RJ

[Dawgology]

Yeah. The WBB program is toast. Advice: stop following it. The run is over. For good.

[BiscuitEater]

Wishing now that we had just promoted Johnnie Harris.

Funny! Cohen hired a proven HC, with SEC playing time and SEC coaching time as an assistant! If he had promoted a 21 year career assistant from 'inside,' he would have been castrated!

[BiscuitEater]

That resume' ... and carrying another coaches clipboard, not a HC. Mostly unknown.

3 Years HC at Ole Dominion, improved record every year. Ole Dominion with a rich WBB history and a record 10 National Championships!

[Cooterpoot]

3 Years HC at Ole Dominion, improved record every year. Ole Dominion with a rich WBB history and a record 10 National Championships!

They can have her back. They haven't won a title in years. CUSA is awful! Let's not pretend that program compares to us currently. Well, prior to this hire. They won a title in 85. OM was dominant back then. They haven't won 10 NCAA titles either.

[R2Dawg]

Old Dominion?

I know 3 years at ODU. That ani't a proven HC record for a top 5 program. Moorhead had a few years at Fordham too with a good record and Moorhead took over an average program. Our WBB was top 5 good. Apples and oranges. I've said this over and over.

Her only impressive resume stuff was as a player, that is it. Sitting on bench holding a clipboard is not top tier resume for a top 5 program.

[R2Dawg]

3 Years HC at Ole Dominion, improved record every year. Ole Dominion with a rich WBB history and a record 10 National Championships!

Apples and oranges. ODU hasn't been relative in forever. I guess we should have hired the Nebraska football coach since Nebraska is a powerhouse program. Not

With that line of thinking I see how we made such a bad hire. The Pat Summit thing is what did it. Heard it over and over. She is a winner, etc. Being a player and a HC ain't even close to same thing. Rookie hiring process. Pathetic.

[R2Dawg]

Funny! Cohen hired a proven HC, with SEC playing time and SEC coaching time as an assistant! If he had promoted a 21 year career assistant from 'inside,' he would have been castrated!

Yeah some are saying it hindsight; I'm not. I have no idea if Johnnie would have been good or not. I would hope we could have hired a more proven HC.

[Bothrops]

Yeah. The WBB program is toast. Advice: stop following it. The run is over. For good.

This^

[Turfdawg67]

Coach Nikki came in with an incredible resume'. I was 100% on board. Now I wonder if it was a "diversity" hire more than anything.

Wishing now that we had just promoted Johnnie Harris.

And if Harris would've struggled, you and a few others would be whining that it was a lazy hire and why didn't he look at that up-and-comer at Old Dominion?

[MaroonFlounder]

Apples and oranges. ODU hasn't been relative in forever. I guess we should have hired the Nebraska football coach since Nebraska is a powerhouse program. Not

With that line of thinking I see how we made such a bad hire. The Pat Summit thing is what did it. Heard it over and over. She is a winner, etc. Being a player and a HC ain't even close to same thing. Rookie hiring process. Pathetic.

We tried to get an established, successful SEC head coach but the guy at UK was just using us for leverage for a raise/extension. Maybe we just need to hire you as AD.

[MaroonFlounder]

And if Harris would've struggled, you and a few others would be whining that it was a lazy hire and why didn't he look at that up-and-comer at Old Dominion?

And you would be wrong. WBB is not as high on my give-a-shit meter as you think it is.

[RocketDawg]

We tried to get an established, successful SEC head coach but the guy at UK was just using us for leverage for a raise/extension. Maybe we just need to hire you as AD.

Isn't he the guy who retired for health reasons prior to this season?

[maroonmania]

And if Harris would've struggled, you and a few others would be whining that it was a lazy hire and why didn't he look at that up-and-comer at Old Dominion?

If anyone had struggled anything close to what NMP has there would have been heavy criticism, would not have mattered who it was. That being said I thought the right move was to give Harris the job unless we could bring in a proven high level HC. NMP was definitely not that. Harris was the best option we had to try and keep rolling with what Vic had established.

[Dawg2003]

We tried to get an established, successful SEC head coach but the guy at UK was just using us for leverage for a raise/extension. Maybe we just need to hire you as AD.

Matthew Mitchell showed no interest. Jeff Walz at Louisville used us to leverage a raise. He did the same thing when the Tennessee job was open.

[R2Dawg]

We tried to get an established, successful SEC head coach but the guy at UK was just using us for leverage for a raise/extension. Maybe we just need to hire you as AD.

Maybe, I don't know how I could have screwed it up any worse.

So you think there are no quality coaches outside the one SEC guy? We didn't search long and hired too quick.

Hard to believe we had Greg Byrne at MSU. He set us up for the success that Strickland had and also set him up for the UF gig. Who hired Greg, Foglesong? It is a special gift to identify real leaders. Not many have it.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Yeah. The WBB program is toast. Advice: stop following it. The run is over. For good.
Yep, Vic Schaefer ain?t walking through that door.... or anyone else worth a flip.

[maroonmania]

Yep, Vic Schaefer ain?t walking through that door.... or anyone else worth a flip.

Probably so. There are very, very few elite coaches in WBB and we just sort of stumbled into one with Vic. He was certainly never an elite HC before arriving at MSU. If he had been we would not have gotten him at the time in our program we did. Doubt we will ever see that magic happen in Starkville again for that sport. Only real regret was not reeling in a NC title for the school when we had 2 shots at it.

[smootness]

McCray certainly looks like a dud, but the reality is that in basketball more than any other sport, and women's basketball especially, it is 100% about the coach. We are not and we're not a top 5 program, Vic Schaefer is a top 5 coach. We were going to have to find someone else as good to replicate that success, and the chances of that are insanely slim.

[Offshore Dawg]

This years performance compared to last year with virtually the same players has been the biggest ( cluster 17 ) in the history of MSU sports performance. Or at least that's how it appears to me.

[basedog]

McCray certainly looks like a dud, but the reality is that in basketball more than any other sport, and women's basketball especially, it is 100% about the coach. We are not and we're not a top 5 program, Vic Schaefer is a top 5 coach. We were going to have to find someone else as good to replicate that success, and the chances of that are insanely slim.

I agree about WBB and the Coach being the biggest difference in the program. In basketball the Coach has 15 players at most to deal with, baseball and football different animal as assistants play a much bigger role controlling and having an influence on "what they are responsible for with players". Women athletes are different, if you don't believe me (I have Coached men and women in Basketball and track) look at girls softball, Geez!