Recruiting staff- the elephant in the room

[Todd4State]

It sounds to me like we are going to have a major staff shake up with Villagriana leaving and Peterson likely leaving. So this to me is as good a time as any to expand and shake up our recruiting staff.

I don't think anyone needs to be fired. But I definitely think that our recruiting staff needs to be expanded and I think some of their salaries need to be higher.

On paper it appears as if we only have about 5-6 people running the recruiting show for us. That IMO needs to be doubled. And some of them are being paid as low as 35K. How the heck are we supposed to get someone elite paying that?

We have issues every single year and I think basically being short staffed is part of it. I think we should do something like this. Highlighted are those on staff already.

Mark Hudspeth - Dir of Football Recruiting

Rod Gibson - Dir of Communication/MS Delta

Trent Hammond - Dir of HS Relations

Mason Smith - Recruiting Specialist/Louisiana

Kai Brashears - Coord of Recruiting Ops

Andrea Hollis - Dir of On-Campus Recruiting

Chad Bumphis- North Mississippi

Sleepy Robinson- Inner City Jackson

Steve Campbell- MS Gulf Coast/Alabama

Nick Griffin- Metro Jackson

Demetric Warren- DeSoto County/Memphis/Recruiting media liason (promoting our recruits to sites such as 24/7 sports so that are actually evaluated properly and our recruiting classes are accurately rated to promote excitement)

Josh Morgan- Southwest Mississippi

Jay Hughes- Southeast Mississippi

[Cooterpoot]

1. We can't afford to expand the staff.
2. Some of those names aren't an option
3. Can't tie up that many people on instate.

[1bigdawg]

1. We can't afford to expand the staff.

Can we afford not expanding? Football pays for everything. More success there brings in much more money than any other expenditure.

[Dawgology]

Can we afford not expanding? Football pays for everything. More success there brings in much more money than any other expenditure.

This. Our current AD is like Larry Templeton Jr. more excited about putting money in the athletic savings account than program success. You have to invest and I don?t think he has the stomach for it. We have PLENTY of money to expand our staff.

[KOdawg1]

Jay Hopson is likely going to join the staff to replace one of those two guys.

[Homedawg]

Peterson isn't likely leaving. He is leaving. It's not speculation

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Peterson isn't likely leaving. He is leaving. It's not speculation

Yep & Hopson has been hired.

[Cooterpoot]

Can we afford not expanding? Football pays for everything. More success there brings in much more money than any other expenditure.

Covid budgets. Heck, we wouldn't before Covid. And Hopson being hired tells me all I need to know about how serious we are about things.

[WSOPdawg]

This. Our current AD is like Larry Templeton Jr. more excited about putting money in the athletic savings account than program success. You have to invest and I don?t think he has the stomach for it. We have PLENTY of money to expand our staff.

Not to mention we are about to step up by another $20M or so with the new SEC network contact with ABC. But hey, at least we had money in our "rainy day fund" for when the pandemic hit instead of having it invested -- if only partly -- in more coaches/recruiters/strength & conditioning or retained coaches (think Huff to Bama a few years ago, etc).

With the increasing SEC revenues, it's time we start acting/coaching/playing like on of the Big Boys in the nation across ALL sports that we participate. And that's on Keenum and Cohen!!!

[BankerDog]

They need to promote Mason Smith and give him a really good bump. And they need to move Hughes into an off the field recruiting job and promote Chaney. Hughes was good years back, but he needs to focus on fostering the relationships with the HS coaches-much like Peterson. I would be all for bringing Pat Austin back and getting J. Banks in a Chaney type of role.

[TALL DAWG]

Not to mention we are about to step up by another $20M or so with the new SEC network contact with ABC. But hey, at least we had money in our "rainy day fund" for when the pandemic hit instead of having it invested -- if only partly -- in more coaches/recruiters/strength & conditioning or retained coaches (think Huff to Bama a few years ago, etc).

With the increasing SEC revenues, it's time we start acting/coaching/playing like on of the Big Boys in the nation across ALL sports that we participate. And that's on Keenum and Cohen!!!

Correct me if I?m wrong but...I thought our budget is set to increase by $50MM+ in 2023 or 2024....when new ESPN contract kicks in. Is that incorrect...??

[KOdawg1]

Covid budgets. Heck, we wouldn't before Covid. And Hopson being hired tells me all I need to know about how serious we are about things.

Hopson will be fine for what he has to do.

[Cooterpoot]

Hopson will be fine for what he has to do.

He's hated (and I'm being kind) throughout the Pine Belt area. He will build no good will. Like I said, we hire people like him, I know we don't care about that spot.

[WSOPdawg]

Correct me if I?m wrong but...I thought our budget is set to increase by $50MM+ in 2023 or 2024....when new ESPN contract kicks in. Is that incorrect...??

Correcto mundo.

[KOdawg1]

He's hated (and I'm being kind) throughout the Pine Belt area. He will build no good will. Like I said, we hire people like him, I know we don't care about that spot.

How many people did you hear mention Villagrana? Most of our fans didn't even know who he was. Hopson will be in that same capacity.

[Dawgfan77]

How many people did you hear mention Villagrana? Most of our fans didn't even know who he was. Hopson will be in that same capacity.

No he will not. He is taking Peterson's place... so yeah not a great hire

[KOdawg1]

No he will not. He is taking Peterson's place... so yeah not a great hire

I heard he was taking Villagrana's place. And it's not a bad hire even if he takes Peterson's place. It's not going to move the needle or anything, but some of y'all are overreacting.

[RezDog7]

He's hated (and I'm being kind) throughout the Pine Belt area. He will build no good will. Like I said, we hire people like him, I know we don't care about that spot.

Forgive my ignorance but why is he hated? I know the USM gig didn't work out but he seemed like a good coach at Alcorn.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

We need one each for Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Texas and Louisiana

[Cooterpoot]

Forgive my ignorance but why is he hated? I know the USM gig didn't work out but he seemed like a good coach at Alcorn.

Local coaches hated him. He wouldn't recruit their kids. They tried to talk to him and he ignored them. There are other things as well, but I won't get into those. The guy had 2 commits when he quit in Nov.

[Todd4State]

1. We can't afford to expand the staff.
2. Some of those names aren't an option
3. Can't tie up that many people on instate.

1. Giving that group significant raises in pay would cost less than 2 million. So, yes we can. Will we? Probably not.

2. Those are just suggestions.

3. And that's why we do recruit as well as we could/should.

[Todd4State]

Hopson's average classes at USM were 5th in C-USA. So that's pretty meh.

I don't mind having someone with ties to Ole Miss in recruiting though. He might actually be able to teach us some things.

[Dawgfan77]

I heard he was taking Villagrana's place. And it's not a bad hire even if he takes Peterson's place. It's not going to move the needle or anything, but some of y'all are overreacting.

You heard wrong

[KOdawg1]

You heard wrong

LOL ok. I still stand by what I said.

[AlSwearengen]

Prediction- Hopson somehow has a good relationship with a top recruit and olemiss swoops in and calls him home.

[Cooterpoot]

Prediction- Hopson somehow has a good relationship with a top recruit and olemiss swoops in and calls him home.

He won't be that involved.

[Johnson85]

1. We can't afford to expand the staff.
2. Some of those names aren't an option
3. Can't tie up that many people on instate.

We absolutely can afford to expand the staff. Especially if you are talking about positions that pay $50k a year. Could hire 4 more people and it wouldn't cost more than $300k a year. But we could afford another $1M a year. No clue if that's a good use of the money or not, but we can afford it.

[Dawgfan77]

LOL ok. I still stand by what I said.

You still want to stand by your statement???

[Ari Gold]

“We need more coaches and staff members with Mississippi ties”.
MSU possibly about to hire an ex College HEAD coach for an off the field position job that has Miss ties for almost 30 years.
“What the **** are we doing.. Hopson sucks . No one likes him”.

[confucius say]

Jay is liked by a lot of coaches in MS. I'm sure he has some enemies no doubt.

I personally love Brad and have known him for a long time. But he has a lot of people in MS that don't like him, too. It happens.

[KOdawg1]

You still want to stand by your statement???

That Jay Hopson isn't a terrible hire like some are making him out to be? Absolutely.

[Todd4State]

“We need more coaches and staff members with Mississippi ties”.
MSU possibly about to hire an ex College HEAD coach for an off the field position job that has Miss ties for almost 30 years.
“What the **** are we doing.. Hopson sucks . No one likes him”.

Can we not find a coach with Mississippi ties that the high school coaches actually like? I mean- damn.

[Cooterpoot]

?We need more coaches and staff members with Mississippi ties?.
MSU possibly about to hire an ex College HEAD coach for an off the field position job that has Miss ties for almost 30 years.
?What the **** are we doing.. Hopson sucks . No one likes him?.

We're hiring him to help with recruiting. A coach that had 2 commits in Nov. and couldn't even recruit locally in a damn good recruiting area. It's not like he's a proven recruiter. AL hires proven guys. We hire a guy that couldn't sign anybody and pissed off local coaches. Sounds great!
And I'm all for hiring former coaches normally.

[Dawgfan77]

That Jay Hopson isn't a terrible hire like some are making him out to be? Absolutely.

No you said he wasn't taking Peterson place. And that's what I was referring too

[KOdawg1]

No you said he wasn't taking Peterson place. And that's what I was referring too
You misunderstood. Not what I meant when I said i stood by what I said.

[Schultzy]

Can we not find a coach with Mississippi ties that the high school coaches actually like? I mean- damn.

Many Mississippi HS football coaches believe the college coaches should be kissing their ass; and if they don’t then they don’t like them.

[Ari Gold]

We're hiring him to help with recruiting. A coach that had 2 commits in Nov. and couldn't even recruit locally in a damn good recruiting area. It's not like he's a proven recruiter. AL hires proven guys. We hire a guy that couldn't sign anybody and pissed off local coaches. Sounds great!
And I'm all for hiring former coaches normally.

There’s a lot more to the position than just recruiting... a lot more
His resume is pretty impressive . He is actually over qualified for this position to be honest
He never had a losing record at USM
He has been on the staff at multiple power 5 schools.
How has Alcorn done since he left there ???

So we shouldn’t hire a guy because a few high school coaches don’t like him ??

Maybe he and CML get along.
Maybe He moves to an on the field role in a few years .
Maybe he has some connections outside the state with coaches.
And I’m sure with JH on staff that high school coaches won’t veer their kids in other directions..
I mean it’s not like he and a previous staff of his convinced a kid to flip from a rival school, and In turn not even offer the kid a scholarship days before NSD..

Come on people.. geez
And side note We ain’t Bama....

[Dawgfan77]

I heard he was taking Villagrana's place. And it's not a bad hire even if he takes Peterson's place. It's not going to move the needle or anything, but some of y'all are overreacting.

Ok then

[KOdawg1]

Ok then

Ok

[Todd4State]

There’s a lot more to the position than just recruiting... a lot more
His resume is pretty impressive . He is actually over qualified for this position to be honest
He never had a losing record at USM
He has been on the staff at multiple power 5 schools.
How has Alcorn done since he left there ???

So we shouldn’t hire a guy because a few high school coaches don’t like him ??

Maybe he and CML get along.
Maybe He moves to an on the field role in a few years .
Maybe he has some connections outside the state with coaches.
And I’m sure with JH on staff that high school coaches won’t veer their kids in other directions..
I mean it’s not like he and a previous staff of his convinced a kid to flip from a rival school, and In turn not even offer the kid a scholarship days before NSD..

Come on people.. geez
And side note We ain’t Bama....

It's just that he seems like he's more of a fit for an analyst role than a recruiting coordinator role to me. So let's say he replaces Arnett in a year or two at DC. Then we have to hire another recruiting coordinator again.

Honestly Hughes fits better at the RC role IMO. Hopson is probably a better on the field coach than Hughes. I mean, if you say Jay Hopson I have never ever heard anyone talk about what a great recruiter he is/was. See Will Hall at the same school being talked about as a great recruiter so it isn't a USM thing.

Heck- I'd hire Reed Stringer as the RC before I hire Hopson and he was on Hopson's staff. At least that hire would make some sense.

[Ari Gold]

It's just that he seems like he's more of a fit for an analyst role than a recruiting coordinator role to me. So let's say he replaces Arnett in a year or two at DC. Then we have to hire another recruiting coordinator again.

Honestly Hughes fits better at the RC role IMO. Hopson is probably a better on the field coach than Hughes. I mean, if you say Jay Hopson I have never ever heard anyone talk about what a great recruiter he is/was. See Will Hall at the same school being talked about as a great recruiter so it isn't a USM thing.

Heck- I'd hire Reed Stringer as the RC before I hire Hopson and he was on Hopson's staff. At least that hire would make some sense.

Coach Petterson had ZERO experience in college recruiting or coaching when we hired him..
again I’m not saying this is a homer in hire, but there is a lot that goes on with Coach Peterson position than just recruiting..
and no one here or one coach in Miss knew who the hell Coach Vilagrana was..

Getting an Ex college head coach , a position coach that has been at multiple P5 schools, and a coach that has Miss ties is never a bad thing.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

It's just that he seems like he's more of a fit for an analyst role than a recruiting coordinator role to me. So let's say he replaces Arnett in a year or two at DC. Then we have to hire another recruiting coordinator again.

Honestly Hughes fits better at the RC role IMO. Hopson is probably a better on the field coach than Hughes. I mean, if you say Jay Hopson I have never ever heard anyone talk about what a great recruiter he is/was. See Will Hall at the same school being talked about as a great recruiter so it isn't a USM thing.

Heck- I'd hire Reed Stringer as the RC before I hire Hopson and he was on Hopson's staff. At least that hire would make some sense.

Hopson isn't taking the Recruiting Coordinator role. He's taking the HS Relations role.

[Todd4State]

Hopson isn't taking the Recruiting Coordinator role. He's taking the HS Relations role.

My point is why have him on the recruiting staff at all? That's even worse if high school coaches don't like him.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

My point is why have him on the recruiting staff at all? That's even worse if high school coaches don't like him.

Because the talk of HS coaches not liking him is way overblown. Say 5-10 coaches don't like him he'll there's over 100 who don't fit in that category. Let's not act like every HS coach liked Peterson & he did fine. A guy who's head of HS relations who's worked in the state 16 out of the last 20 years. Yea I'm good with that. The overthink & overreach on this hire is funny.

[Ari Gold]

Because the talk of HS coaches not liking him is way overblown. Say 5-10 coaches don't like him he'll there's over 100 who don't fit in that category. Let's not act like every HS coach liked Peterson & he did fine. A guy who's head of HS relations who's worked in the state 16 out of the last 20 years. Yea I'm good with that. The overthink & overreach on this hire is funny.

Exactly... Damn

[Todd4State]

Because the talk of HS coaches not liking him is way overblown. Say 5-10 coaches don't like him he'll there's over 100 who don't fit in that category. Let's not act like every HS coach liked Peterson & he did fine. A guy who's head of HS relations who's worked in the state 16 out of the last 20 years. Yea I'm good with that. The overthink & overreach on this hire is funny.

Because those 5-10 have guys on their staff that will possibly become head coaches one day. That can spread throughout the state pretty quickly.

But hey! We're Mississippi State! We don't care about recruiting or value it. And this is another sign of it.

Tony Hughes will solve everything right?**

It's only the weakest aspect of our program right now and is holding us back. We don't make moves like this in baseball. But we want to stay 1990 in football apparently.

Again- why not make Hopson an analyst and hire a recruiting person that has no ill will against him? What's wrong with that?

[KOdawg1]

Because those 5-10 have guys on their staff that will possibly become head coaches one day. That can spread throughout the state pretty quickly.

But hey! We're Mississippi State! We don't care about recruiting or value it. And this is another sign of it.

Tony Hughes will solve everything right?**

It's only the weakest aspect of our program right now and is holding us back. We don't make moves like this in baseball. But we want to stay 1990 in football apparently.

Again- why not make Hopson an analyst and hire a recruiting person that has no ill will against him? What's wrong with that?


Just curious, who would you rather see get the job? If you can name a guy with equal or greater experience inside this state who is 100% liked by the coaches in the state, then I'll be all for it. But he has to be liked by every single coach now. If he's disliked by one HS coach, that coach's assistants will go on to be head coaches, and I heard that stuff can spread throughout the state pretty quickly.**

Your entire post is an overreaction.

[Cooterpoot]

Hopson isn't taking the Recruiting Coordinator role. He's taking the HS Relations role.

We'll disagree on this one. I'm ok with that. And he's not going to directly recruit. His swing is in SW MS. But he's got a lot of baggage- Bad baggage, to go along with the other (not going to get into it because he's already hired anyway). Hell, we could've hired Barney and it wouldn't be much difference (except for the official paperwork). Similar character types.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

What's wrong with that?

Because I think you're wrong.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We'll disagree on this one. I'm ok with that. And he's not going to directly recruit. His swing is in SW MS. But he's got a lot of baggage- Bad baggage, to go along with the other (not going to get into it because he's already hired anyway). Hell, we could've hired Barney and it wouldn't be much difference (except for the official paperwork). Similar character types.

Yea we'll just have to agree to disagree

[Todd4State]

Because I think you're wrong.

OK- so it's wrong to hire someone that high school coaches like at MSU.

[Todd4State]

Just curious, who would you rather see get the job? If you can name a guy with equal or greater experience inside this state who is 100% liked by the coaches in the state, then I'll be all for it. But he has to be liked by every single coach now. If he's disliked by one HS coach, that coach's assistants will go on to be head coaches, and I heard that stuff can spread throughout the state pretty quickly.**

Your entire post is an overreaction.

Reed Stringer would be good.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

OK- so it's wrong to hire someone that high school coaches like at MSU.

There is nobody that every coach is going to like. That candidate doesn't exist.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Reed Stringer would be good.

Now if you said Reed Stringer for Villagrana spot that would make more sense IMO. I'd personally rather have someone from outside the area but I'd understand the support for Stringer.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Welp, this is in the weeds. Back to the core point about off field recruiting staff:

Hell yes we can, and should, hire more.

We profited 10M a year for several years in a row, which went into a "rainy day fund". Even if Covid cost us 33% of our revenue (it didn't due to the SEC network paying out so much) that still leaves money in the bank. Not "we are in small amounts of debt", MONEY IS STILL IN THE BANK! And next this year with the vaccine we can expect to run at least close to a profit. And in 2 years the extra $20M a year of TV revenue kicks in.

Hiring 5 guys at 100k each to help recruiting is a drop in the bucket. It doesn't cause us to go into debt, and if it did that debt would be paid off like nothing when the TV deal kicks in.

As for it "not moving the needle", well that's ridiculous. Bama and UGA spend millions on their off field staff for a reason. Of course it matters. If it going to get our recruiting classes from #25 to #20? NO, but it might make it #23-24, and with how much money football brings in that small bit of gain = far more money than it costs us.

[Ari Gold]

Welp, this is in the weeds. Back to the core point about off field recruiting staff:

Hell yes we can, and should, hire more.

We profited 10M a year for several years in a row, which went into a "rainy day fund". Even if Covid cost us 33% of our revenue (it didn't due to the SEC network paying out so much) that still leaves money in the bank. Not "we are in small amounts of debt", MONEY IS STILL IN THE BANK! And next this year with the vaccine we can expect to run at least close to a profit. And in 2 years the extra $20M a year of TV revenue kicks in.

Hiring 5 guys at 100k each to help recruiting is a drop in the bucket. It doesn't cause us to go into debt, and if it did that debt would be paid off like nothing when the TV deal kicks in.

As for it "not moving the needle", well that's ridiculous. Bama and UGA spend millions on their off field staff for a reason. Of course it matters. If it going to get our recruiting classes from #25 to #20? NO, but it might make it #23-24, and with how much money football brings in that small bit of gain = far more money than it costs us.

Agree...

[Johnson85]

Because the talk of HS coaches not liking him is way overblown. Say 5-10 coaches don't like him he'll there's over 100 who don't fit in that category. Let's not act like every HS coach liked Peterson & he did fine. A guy who's head of HS relations who's worked in the state 16 out of the last 20 years. Yea I'm good with that. The overthink & overreach on this hire is funny.

I'm pretty sure there was a good bit of bitching about how Peterson was a bad fit because he was arrogant and HS coaches hated him around the state? Am I thinking of another guy that came from high school coaching to our staff?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'm pretty sure there was a good bit of bitching about how Peterson was a bad fit because he was arrogant and HS coaches hated him around the state? Am I thinking of another guy that came from high school coaching to our staff?

You're correct

[Cooterpoot]

Everyone needs to move on. I shouldn't have stirred this. I only give out what I know. Or in this case, a small fraction of that. He's hired. It's done, so we can all move on.

[CaptainObvious]

Alcorn has won 3 straight Division Titles since Hopson.

[SPMT]

Not to mention we are about to step up by another $20M or so with the new SEC network contact with ABC. But hey, at least we had money in our "rainy day fund" for when the pandemic hit instead of having it invested -- if only partly -- in more coaches/recruiters/strength & conditioning or retained coaches (think Huff to Bama a few years ago, etc).

With the increasing SEC revenues, it's time we start acting/coaching/playing like on of the Big Boys in the nation across ALL sports that we participate. And that's on Keenum and Cohen!!!


In some ways I wonder what planet you are on...

But, really we should take the chance on going all in balls to the wall. Reality is we will never have a shot at making that leap without taking the risk. Your admin and probably big donors don?t have that appetite.

[Todd4State]

In some ways I wonder what planet you are on...

But, really we should take the chance on going all in balls to the wall. Reality is we will never have a shot at making that leap without taking the risk. Your admin and probably big donors don?t have that appetite.

Why take risk when we can very easily invest legally in improving our program by investing more into recruiting? I'm talking 3-5 million dollars here for a program that is routinely in the black and can afford to invest that.

My belief is the donors and administration probably would invest if they were asked to. Dan had no clue and was average at recruiting. I guarantee you that if he told Byrne/Stricklin/Cohen and Keenum to invest into it we would have. Just like we built him the facilities he wanted. Dan just isn't into it. Joe was such a disorganized mess even if he was decent to good at recruiting. Leach is somewhere in the middle and has never really been considered a great recruiter. The biggest asset Leach has that I can tell in his short time here is he is way better at roster management than Dan ever was- which to me was honestly the worst thing by far about Dan's recruiting. You can develop all the players you want but you can't have like two classes in a row with no outside WR's and classes with like one offensive lineman that qualifies. That's why we had major issues- because even if the other position groups were well developed with juniors and seniors wherever there was a hole was usually plugged with freshmen out of necessity or like 5'9" WR's at the outside spot and people like Alabama and most bluebloods are going to absolutely expose that. Which is what happened time and time again. When Dan actually had a team of all juniors and seniors together 2014 happened. That's what we have to strive for as a program- to make sure that every position is covered.

Paying players is a separate discussion. We don't have to wholesale cheat to cover every spot- Leach came pretty close to that this year without wholesale cheating except at defensive back. And at least Leach is hitting the portal hard to try to fix that issue.

[SPMT]

Agree with you. I wasn?t referring to cheating specifically.

[Homedawg]

Why take risk when we can very easily invest legally in improving our program by investing more into recruiting? I'm talking 3-5 million dollars here for a program that is routinely in the black and can afford to invest that.

My belief is the donors and administration probably would invest if they were asked to. Dan had no clue and was average at recruiting. I guarantee you that if he told Byrne/Stricklin/Cohen and Keenum to invest into it we would have. Just like we built him the facilities he wanted. Dan just isn't into it. Joe was such a disorganized mess even if he was decent to good at recruiting. Leach is somewhere in the middle and has never really been considered a great recruiter. The biggest asset Leach has that I can tell in his short time here is he is way better at roster management than Dan ever was- which to me was honestly the worst thing by far about Dan's recruiting. You can develop all the players you want but you can't have like two classes in a row with no outside WR's and classes with like one offensive lineman that qualifies. That's why we had major issues- because even if the other position groups were well developed with juniors and seniors wherever there was a hole was usually plugged with freshmen out of necessity or like 5'9" WR's at the outside spot and people like Alabama and most bluebloods are going to absolutely expose that. Which is what happened time and time again. When Dan actually had a team of all juniors and seniors together 2014 happened. That's what we have to strive for as a program- to make sure that every position is covered.

Paying players is a separate discussion. We don't have to wholesale cheat to cover every spot- Leach came pretty close to that this year without wholesale cheating except at defensive back. And at least Leach is hitting the portal hard to try to fix that issue.
We can add 10 million of support staff and we'd sign the same types of classes. Mullen,moorhead and leach all signed the same types of classes. One worked at recruiting one does very little . And the other didn't go hard at it. Nothing has changed. It is what it is.

[Todd4State]

We can add 10 million of support staff and we'd sign the same types of classes. Mullen,moorhead and leach all signed the same types of classes. One worked at recruiting one does very little . And the other didn't go hard at it. Nothing has changed. It is what it is.

I'd rather sign those types of classes doing everything that we possibly could to get the best players we could get.