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confucius say

02-07-2021, 10:35 AM

Another good opportunity for a quality win.

Mizzou has moved into the top 30 of the NET so we picked up a quad 1 win there. Florida is 31, so one spot away from another quad 1 win there.

Quaoarsking

02-07-2021, 10:48 AM

I'll take it, but the NET is a laughably bad, mathematically invalid formula that the NCAA should abandon and apologize to all fans for implementing.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2021/team-net-sheet?team=Mississippi-State

We are 1-4 against Q1, 3-3 against Q2, 3-2 against Q3, and 4-0 against Q4. That's just not a resume of a team that belongs in the bubble conversation. Again, though, I'll take it. If our athletic department cracked the NET formula and scheduled intentionally in a way to manipulate it (like Siena used to do with the RPI formula), massive kudos to them.

msstate7

02-07-2021, 11:21 AM

Quaoarsking

02-07-2021, 11:54 AM

Kenpom has us 65th

I can buy that, since KenPom doesn't care about wins and losses per se and just looks at margins and efficiency. So a team with a bunch of close losses will be only a little bit worse than an identical team with a bunch of close wins.

chef dixon

02-07-2021, 01:33 PM

We pretty much have to run the table to even be considered

99jc

02-07-2021, 02:07 PM

god some of you don't want to give it up. this team is going nowhere!

Saltydog

02-07-2021, 02:24 PM

Yeah, keep this up and we might get to host a game or two in the NIT.....

confucius say

02-07-2021, 02:32 PM

We pretty much have to run the table to even be considered

If we run the table we will be a 6 seed.

R2Dawg

02-07-2021, 05:48 PM

Another good opportunity for a quality win.

Mizzou has moved into the top 30 of the NET so we picked up a quad 1 win there. Florida is 31, so one spot away from another quad 1 win there.

Mizzou and UF are good wins but boy we were one play away about 7 times from being a lock right now with about a 4 seed. Oh well, always next year.

But I'll cheer on the dawgs and hope for a miracle. Stans certainly pulled a few out in late season before.

msstate7

02-07-2021, 05:54 PM

Mizzou and UF are good wins but boy we were one play away about 7 times from being a lock right now with about a 4 seed. Oh well, always next year.

But I'll cheer on the dawgs and hope for a miracle. Stans certainly pulled a few out in late season before.

It's been tough being so close, but that's part of my optimism for the future. We were playing 4 freshmen yesterday at the same time for stretches of time. If we don't lose 1 or 2 unexpectedly, those close losses could be solid wins with another year of experience. We seem to always get bit by a player leaving that probably shouldn't though, so who knows

PGHBulldogBG

02-07-2021, 06:03 PM

People want to complain about the Ole Miss loss and I get the frustration with that, but losing that A&M game at home is just unacceptable. It is hard for me to believe that really happened. Win that and Dayton we would be in a much better spot at a chance for the tournament

Coach34

02-07-2021, 06:11 PM

Next year comes down to whether Stewart stays or bolts. If he returns like he should- we'll be tough. Stewart could go for POY next year in the SEC

R2Dawg

02-08-2021, 02:50 PM

Next year comes down to whether Stewart stays or bolts. If he returns like he should- we'll be tough. Stewart could go for POY next year in the SEC

Agree, DJ is key. He needs to return. He could end up in first round with another year, a NCAAT run and putting up video like numbers. DJ's upside is sick, he is still maturing but boy he has all the tools to be an AllStar NBA guy. When you are 6-6 can shoot, drive, dish, rebound and defend, well ain't many that can do all that.

confucius say

02-09-2021, 10:55 AM

LSU has moved up to 40. A win tomorrow night likely would move us into the sixties

StarkVegasSteve

02-09-2021, 12:21 PM

Agree, DJ is key. He needs to return. He could end up in first round with another year, a NCAAT run and putting up video like numbers. DJ's upside is sick, he is still maturing but boy he has all the tools to be an AllStar NBA guy. When you are 6-6 can shoot, drive, dish, rebound and defend, well ain't many that can do all that.

DJ needs to come back for another year. His all around game has improved tremendously in the last year and another year of improvements could give him lottery pick potential. He reminds me of Kyle Anderson of the Grizzlies except DJ is more explosive. Both kind of play that slow game but they can shoot and if they get to the basket they know how to finish. The one thing DJ needs to work on is dribbling in traffic. He tends to dribble it low and it starts getting tangled in people's feet and turned over when he gets into traffic.

Ari Gold

02-09-2021, 01:23 PM

11-7
2 wins in the SEC tourney
And things will be really interesting come selection Sunday

That’s ALOT of ifs for sure... but these last 7 games are winnable . Wouldn’t be shocked if we go 6-1 and also wouldn’t be shocked if we go 3-4..

confucius say

02-09-2021, 02:38 PM

11-7 is the target. That'd likely give you a double bye.

Do that and win 2 in the tourney and you're in the finals.

Captain Falcon

02-09-2021, 02:47 PM

I admire you guys that have held out hope for a postseason bid, but I can?t talk myself into thinking we have a chance. We are entirely too inconsistent.

msstate7

02-09-2021, 02:51 PM

11-7 is the target. That'd likely give you a double bye.

Do that and win 2 in the tourney and you're in the finals.

That's gonna be tough.

Just looking ahead, it appears OM gets a full week to prepare for us while we have to play at auburn next Tuesday night. If we wanna get to 11-7, we basically have to win the next 4: LSU, vandy, at auburn, and at OM. If we lose 1 of these, we have to beat Bama, and obviously, beat SC and aTm too.

msstate7

02-09-2021, 02:52 PM

I admire you guys that have held out hope for a postseason bid, but I can?t talk myself into thinking we have a chance. We are entirely too inconsistent.

I'm not getting any hopes up on ncaa, but I can see an opening for the NIT if we win tomorrow. NIT has been my goal all season with a transition team.

StarkVegasSteve

02-09-2021, 03:04 PM

I'm not getting any hopes up on ncaa, but I can see an opening for the NIT if we win tomorrow. NIT has been my goal all season with a transition team.

Our only hope for the NCAA Tournament is get hot and win the SEC Tournament, which as bad the SEC is this year isn't out of the realm of possibility. I'm unsure if we'll even see an NIT this year. 11-7 in conference would be a nice building block for next year though.

Coach34

02-09-2021, 03:19 PM

SEC is projected to get 6 teams in- how is that bad? Plus we won the matchup-with the Big 12

confucius say

02-09-2021, 03:28 PM

That's gonna be tough.

Just looking ahead, it appears OM gets a full week to prepare for us while we have to play at auburn next Tuesday night. If we wanna get to 11-7, we basically have to win the next 4: LSU, vandy, at auburn, and at OM. If we lose 1 of these, we have to beat Bama, and obviously, beat SC and aTm too.

Yea it will be tough for sure. I think the best path is to win your 4 home games (LSU, vandy, usce, bama) and then 2 of 3 on the road against auburn, OM, Aggie.

Get the turnover problem under control and we have a shot. Devion has our lowest turnover margin, so more of him at the point could help. Attack the press.

StarkVegasSteve

02-09-2021, 03:29 PM

SEC is projected to get 6 teams in- how is that bad? Plus we won the matchup-with the Big 12

I mean record-wise I guess it's a good conference, but I don't look at any team in the SEC and think, "Damn that team is stout". Bama has looked terrible lately, Mizzou is smoke and mirrors, Tennessee is mehh, Arkansas could be good, and Florida is not the same without Johnson. That's the top 5 teams in the league and we've beaten two of them, should've beaten UT and were in the game with Bama. I mean we played bad and should've beaten Tennessee, and I don't think it's because we're a good team. The SEC might get in six, but I don't see but one, MAYBE two even winning a game.

confucius say

02-09-2021, 03:50 PM

SEC is projected to get 6 teams in- how is that bad? Plus we won the matchup-with the Big 12

You feeling better? Saw you were sick on Twitter.

Ari Gold

02-09-2021, 04:28 PM

I mean record-wise I guess it's a good conference, but I don't look at any team in the SEC and think, "Damn that team is stout". Bama has looked terrible lately, Mizzou is smoke and mirrors, Tennessee is mehh, Arkansas could be good, and Florida is not the same without Johnson. That's the top 5 teams in the league and we've beaten two of them, should've beaten UT and were in the game with Bama. I mean we played bad and should've beaten Tennessee, and I don't think it's because we're a good team. The SEC might get in six, but I don't see but one, MAYBE two even winning a game.

Outside of Gonzaga and Baylor every team has had it ups and owns.. when is the last time (if ever) has UNC , Duke, Kansas, Michigan St, Kentucky and Indiana were all unranked..

SEC is arguably the 2nd best conference outside the The Big 10

And with MSU, Before the season started damn near every expect had this team picked to finish near the bottom of the league . I doubt any of them had us projected to finish 9-9 or better..
9-9 is a solid season with all things considered. Anything north of that is gravy...

Let’s win the next 2 and see if we can ride that momentum into Aub and Oxford .. win those 2 and things start getting very interesting

StarkVegasSteve

02-09-2021, 04:39 PM

Outside of Gonzaga and Baylor every team has had it ups and owns.. when is the last time (if ever) has UNC , Duke, Kansas, Michigan St, Kentucky and Indiana were all unranked..

SEC is arguably the 2nd best conference outside the The Big 10

And with MSU, Before the season started damn near every expect had this team picked to finish near the bottom of the league . I doubt any of them had us projected to finish 9-9 or better..
9-9 is a solid season with all things considered. Anything north of that is gravy...

Let’s win the next 2 and see if we can ride that momentum into Aub and Oxford .. win those 2 and things start getting very interesting

I'm not trying to be a downer here, but let's be realistic....those two teams zone press more than any 2 teams in the SEC outside of Arkansas. Unless we make a 6 year improvement in two games in regards to handling a press I just don't see us having a whole lot of success. Our only hope is that our shooters career it for a two game stretch and you're able to shoot them out of it.

BrunswickDawg

02-09-2021, 04:59 PM

Outside of Gonzaga and Baylor every team has had it ups and owns.. when is the last time (if ever) has UNC , Duke, Kansas, Michigan St, Kentucky and Indiana were all unranked..

SEC is arguably the 2nd best conference outside the The Big 10

And with MSU, Before the season started damn near every expect had this team picked to finish near the bottom of the league . I doubt any of them had us projected to finish 9-9 or better..
9-9 is a solid season with all things considered. Anything north of that is gravy...

Let’s win the next 2 and see if we can ride that momentum into Aub and Oxford .. win those 2 and things start getting very interesting

The top 15 teams in all-time wins are currently unranked. It has never happened before. Illinois (16), Texas (17), Villanova (21), and West VA (22) are the only teams in the Top 25 winningest programs that are ranked.

And a nugget for the Stans crowd - Western Kentucky is #15 all-time in wins while MSU is somewhere outside of the top 50. They have more wins all-time than any SEC school not located in Kentucky.

Ari Gold

02-09-2021, 05:36 PM

I'm not trying to be a downer here, but let's be realistic....those two teams zone press more than any 2 teams in the SEC outside of Arkansas. Unless we make a 6 year improvement in two games in regards to handling a press I just don't see us having a whole lot of success. Our only hope is that our shooters career it for a two game stretch and you're able to shoot them out of it.

Well apparently we figured it out last year at home when we won by 25
And we figured it out in 2019 when we won at OM by 6

PGHBulldogBG

02-09-2021, 08:49 PM

I think we have a chance to win all the rest except for Ole Miss and Bama. Unfortunately, we will probably lose to Auburn and TAMU too due to bad match ups for us. I actually think we have a better chance to beat LSU

msstate7

02-09-2021, 08:50 PM

We're favored by 2.5 against LSU

Ari Gold

02-09-2021, 09:07 PM

Coach34

02-09-2021, 09:08 PM

You feeling better? Saw you were sick on Twitter.

Heart issues. We'll see

Coach34

02-09-2021, 09:11 PM

And a nugget for the Stans crowd - Western Kentucky is #15 all-time in wins while MSU is somewhere outside of the top 50. They have more wins all-time than any SEC school not located in Kentucky.

Stands is the worst coach at WK in the last 50 years

Quaoarsking

02-10-2021, 12:26 AM

Stands is the worst coach at WK in the last 50 years

Maybe you meant last 5 years-

Ray Harper

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2011-12 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _season)
Western Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_WKU_Hilltoppers_basketball_team)
11-8
6-7
3rd (East)
NCAA Round of 64 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_Men%27s_Basketball_Tournament )

2012-13 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _season)
Western Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_WKU_Hilltoppers_basketball_team)
20-16
10-10
4th (East)[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Harper_(basketball)#cite_note-11)
NCAA Round of 64 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament )

2013-14 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _season)
Western Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_WKU_Hilltoppers_basketball_team)
21-11
12-6
2nd

2014-15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _season)
Western Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_WKU_Hilltoppers_basketball_team)
20-12
12-6
T-4th

[/TR]

2015-16 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _season)
Western Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_WKU_Hilltoppers_basketball_team)
18-16
8-10
8th

Western Kentucky:
90-63 (.588)
48-39 (.552)

</tbody>

Rick Stansbury

<tbody>

2016-17 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _season)
Western Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Western_Kentucky_Hilltoppers_baske tball_team)
15-17
9-9
T-7th

2017-18 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _season)
Western Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Western_Kentucky_Hilltoppers_baske tball_team)
27-11
14-4
3rd
NIT Semifinal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_National_Invitation_Tournament)

2018-19 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _season)
Western Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Western_Kentucky_Hilltoppers_baske tball_team)
20-14
11-7
T-2nd

2019-20 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _season)
Western Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Western_Kentucky_Hilltoppers_baske tball_team)
20-10
13-5
T-2nd

2020-21 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%9321_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _season)
Western Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%9321_Western_Kentucky_Hilltoppers_baske tball_team)
13-4
6-2

Western Kentucky:
95-56 (.629)
53-27 (.663)

</tbody>

confucius say

02-10-2021, 07:49 AM

Heart issues. We'll see

Sorry bout that. Too many years of being a state fan.

Seriously though, hope you get better soon

PGHBulldogBG

02-10-2021, 10:27 PM

Except for OM?? Ok

Ok

confucius say

02-11-2021, 08:07 AM

Ok

You don't think there is any possible chance we beat OM? Like 0 % chance?

msugolf

02-11-2021, 08:21 AM

You don't think there is any possible chance we beat OM? Like 0 % chance?

They half court press and play aggressive defense so no chance. Plus Kermit always has this game circled. And throw in the fact that they have postseason hopes now. It could get ugly.

msstate7

02-20-2021, 08:39 PM

Great call PCH and msugolf. It's almost like saying "no chance" is stupid. Great call guys

Ari Gold

02-20-2021, 08:43 PM

They half court press and play aggressive defense so no chance. Plus Kermit always has this game circled. And throw in the fact that they have postseason hopes now. It could get ugly.

Oh well..

PGHBulldogBG

02-20-2021, 08:49 PM

I always love to admit I?m wrong when I pick against us. Great game tonight and great win! I criticize Howland but when he goes well I give full credit. Good win tonight now let?s keep it going.

msstate7

02-20-2021, 08:52 PM

I always love to admit I?m wrong when I pick against us. Great game tonight and great win! I criticize Howland but when he goes well I give full credit. Good win tonight now let?s keep it going.

Great response. Hopefully we take care of business vs SC

PGHBulldogBG

02-20-2021, 09:16 PM

Ari Gold

02-20-2021, 09:26 PM

If we beat SC and win @tamu I will give Howland a B+ for this year. That doesn?t excuse his D and C for the previous 2 years, but it lets him keep his job for a possible NCAA birth next year if he keeps this going

We make the NCAA in 2018/2019
We Win 11 games and finish 4th in the league with a better than 50/50 shot to get in the big dance again last year
And he gets C and D grades ???
Ok..

msugolf

02-20-2021, 09:31 PM

Great call PCH and msugolf. It's almost like saying "no chance" is stupid. Great call guys

Hang a banner**

PGHBulldogBG

02-20-2021, 09:43 PM

[QUOTE=Ari Gold;1307732]We make the NCAA in 2018/2019
We Win 11 games and finish 4th in the league with a better than 50/50 shot to get in the big dance again last year
And he gets C and D grades ???
Ok..

I will repeat no excuse to not be sweet 16 in 2019. No excuse we weren?t a 4 seed in 2020. The Liberty loss was horrendous. Anyone who doesn?t agree with that is smoking some good stuff. Last year the losses to La Tech, New Mexico, Ole Miss, TAMU etc are inexcusable. Had a tournament happened, the talent we had should?ve been elite 8 and top 4 seed. Howland ruined that, but this year is not that horrific considering what we lost. I am actually ok with this year had he performed to expectations the previous 2

Ari Gold

02-20-2021, 10:30 PM

HailStateSZN19

02-20-2021, 11:01 PM

We make the NCAA in 2018/2019
We Win 11 games and finish 4th in the league with a better than 50/50 shot to get in the big dance again last year
And he gets C and D grades ???
Ok..

Just curious, where are you getting the better than 50/50 shot to get into the NCAAT last season? We woulda had to win 2 games in the SECT last season to get in. We might woulda beat UF in the first game but no shot we were gonna beat UK in the second game.

PGHBulldogBG

02-20-2021, 11:02 PM

That?s where we were raw talent wise.

confucius say

02-21-2021, 08:12 AM

We make the NCAA in 2018/2019
We Win 11 games and finish 4th in the league with a better than 50/50 shot to get in the big dance again last year
And he gets C and D grades ???
Ok..

Can't agree with better than 50-50 shot last year. We were on the wrong side of the bubble going into the sec tourney per every bracket.

Quaoarsking

02-21-2021, 10:33 AM

If we beat SC and win @tamu I will give Howland a B+ for this year. That doesn?t excuse his D and C for the previous 2 years, but it lets him keep his job for a possible NCAA birth next year if he keeps this going

Being a 5 seed in the NCAA Tournament (first bid in a decade) gets a C? But he can get a B+ for a year in which we miss the tournament after some bad losses?

Flip the home losses to Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Texas A&M, and Ole Miss to wins and we're in line for a bid right now. I'm not saying we should fire Howland, but he blew it this year. 4 home losses to bad SEC teams.