Jace Cristmann and James Jackson to the portal

[starkvegasdawg]

Per 24/7.

[Hambone]

I keep seeing Ruiz is possibly coming back. If that’s the case I don’t blame Christman.

Thank you for giving us some confidence when you came out to kick a field goal!

[Bothrops]

The portal is going help keep MSU down. I think many will agree in a few years.

[Extendedcab]

It appears that way doesn't it? :confused:

[Ari Gold]

The portal is going help keep MSU down. I think many will agree in a few years.

Explain...
James Jackson has gotten bounced around from OL to DL the last few years and still can crack either stating line up or even much of 2 deep.
Don’t blame him for leaving

[Bothrops]

Explain...
James Jackson has gotten bounced around from OL to DL the last few years and still can crack either stating line up or even much of 2 deep.
Don’t blame him for leaving

From an injuries and depth perspective mainly. There is something else, but I don't want to open that can of negative worms.

[Ari Gold]

From an injuries and depth perspective mainly. There is something else, but I don't want to open that can of negative worms.

If a 3 year guy can’t crack our 2 deep , odds are he never will
More room for more talented guys , and let Jackson go somewhere he may can play more
This loss isn’t that big a deal

[Bothrops]

If a 3 year guy can’t crack our 2 deep , odds are he never will
More room for more talented guys , and let Jackson go somewhere he may can play more
This loss isn’t that big a deal

It's not, no

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If a 3 year guy can’t crack our 2 deep , odds are he never will
More room for more talented guys , and let Jackson go somewhere he may can play more
This loss isn’t that big a deal

To be fair, it's hard to be good at anything if you keep getting moved. And even if you and I don't think it's a big loss, it's still A loss. If enough injuries happen we'd really wish we had him. Hate to lose anyone with our scholarship situation

[Coach34]

Christman is one of the best Kickers in school history and got f'ed over this year. Absolutely support him leaving for greener pastures

[Tripp McNeely]

Christman is one of the best Kickers in school history and got f'ed over this year. Absolutely support him leaving for greener pastures

Did he get screwed over or passed over by a better kicker?

[Coach34]

Did he get screwed over or passed over by a better kicker?

Christman is a career 80% FG kicker for us. So no- he wasnt passed over by better.

[BiscuitEater]

Christman is a career 80% FG kicker for us. So no- he wasnt passed over by better.

Ruiz was 10 of 12 FGs, 24 of 24 Extra Points and put most KOs into or thru the endzone. Christman was passed by a better kicker.

Do the math!

[Tripp McNeely]

Christman is a career 80% FG kicker for us. So no- he wasnt passed over by better.

One of those guys has NFL potential...one doesnt...he got passed over

[Tripp McNeely]

Ruiz was 10 of 12 FGs, 24 of 24 Extra Points and put most KOs into or thru the endzone. Christman was passed by a better kicker.

Do the math!

^^^^ This

[Hambone]

Definitely was passed over. Someone take the sour grapes away from Coach.

[Cooterpoot]

The portal is going help keep MSU down. I think many will agree in a few years.

Neither contributed much this year. If Ruiz decided to return, Christman was done. Jackson was never getting much time on OL if he couldn't this year.

[Cooterpoot]

Christman is one of the best Kickers in school history and got f'ed over this year. Absolutely support him leaving for greener pastures

Nowhere close. Not even in the same universe as several kickers who were better.

[Coach34]

Ruiz was 10 of 12 FGs, 24 of 24 Extra Points and put most KOs into or thru the endzone. Christman was passed by a better kicker.

Do the math!

Christman was 80% on FG’s for us at 32/40 for his career- literally our best in history. He was also 122/123 on XP’s. He was ****ed over. I did the math for you.

[Big4Dawg]

Christman was 80% on FG?s for us at 32/40 for his career- literally our best in history. He was also 122/123 on XP?s. He was ****ed over. I did the math for you.

Ruiz was 4/5 from 40-49 yards
Christman was 7/11 from 40-49 yards

[BrunswickDawg]

Christman was 80% on FG’s for us at 32/40 for his career- literally our best in history. He was also 122/123 on XP’s. He was ****ed over. I did the math for you.

I like Jace - but it was obvious that Ruiz was a weapon that Jace wasn't. In 3 seasons Jace rarely handled kickoffs because he didn't have the leg. And the handful of times he did, not a single touchback. That's why we Scott Goodman kickoff for 2 years - and he typically only got TB's 50% of the time. Ruiz got TB's on 37 of 43 KO's this season - completely eliminating the chance of a kick return this season.

[Johnson85]

Christman was 80% on FG?s for us at 32/40 for his career- literally our best in history. He was also 122/123 on XP?s. He was ****ed over. I did the math for you.

I assume you're not teaching math, but in case you are, 10/12 = 83.3333% and 32/40= 80%. Christman is a really good kicker who got benched for a really good kicker who appears to be just slightly better.

Ruiz was also 81.8% in 2018, going 18-22 on field goals, including 4-5 from 40-49 although only 0-2 from 50. Ruiz was not very good in 2017. https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4242871/brandon-ruiz ETA: looking more closely, it doesn't look like Ruiz was really bad in 2017 either. Like Jace, his mix of attempts was just very different. Went 5-10 from 40-49 and 2-5 from 50+. He was better from 40-49 in 2018 and 2020 (4-5 each year), so it wasn't all mix, but he did have a lot more attempts from 40+ and 50+ in 2017 than 2018 and 2020.

Jace was really good in 2017-2019. Percentage was 85.7 in '17 and only 75% in '18, but that was mainly due to a change in mix of distances. '17 had 2 more FG attempts inside of thirty and 4 less FG attempts from 30-49. https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4047616/jace-christmann

Really surprising that we were able to get Ruiz to transfer when Jace looked so good, although Ruiz was going to have an extra year of eligibility past Jace regardless.

[Ari Gold]

Ruiz > Cristmann
We just better be 99.9% sure Ruiz is coming back....

[Ari Gold]

I like Jace - but it was obvious that Ruiz was a weapon that Jace wasn't. In 3 seasons Jace rarely handled kickoffs because he didn't have the leg. And the handful of times he did, not a single touchback. That's why we Scott Goodman kickoff for 2 years - and he typically only got TB's 50% of the time. Ruiz got TB's on 37 of 43 KO's this season - completely eliminating the chance of a kick return this season.

We Need touchbacks even more than the 37 Of 43 Ruiz had.
We don’t need starting CBs and Safety’s having to make plays and getting banged up on KOC...
agree 100% Ruiz is a weapon.

[thf24]

You'd think if the gap between Christmann and Ruiz was truly so narrow, that the former's name would come up on the topic of future NFL kickers about as much as the latter's does. Much less ever, at all.

No disrespect to Jace intended, he scored a lot of points for us and I wish him the best.

[BiscuitEater]

Christman was 80% on FG?s for us at 32/40 for his career- literally our best in history. He was also 122/123 on XP?s. He was ****ed over. I did the math for you.


They let Christman Kick off one time in 2020. It was returned to the 39 .. good for 16 yards. In his career at MSU, he kicked off 7 total times (in 3 years), and NEVER had a touchback.

Ruiz had 43 KOs, with 37 TBs.

Oh, you ONLY included Christman's 2019 FG stats. Add 2017 & 2018 and see what you get.

Your math sux!

[Johnson85]

You'd think if the gap between Christmann and Ruiz was truly so narrow, that the former's name would come up on the topic of future NFL kickers about as much as the latter's does. Much less ever, at all.

No disrespect to Jace intended, he scored a lot of points for us and I wish him the best.

I think it is pretty narrow gap for just field goals. It's just when you can't kickoff, you have to be that much better at field goals to be desired. Ruiz can kick off and apparently has more range on field goals although the stats don't show it, and I think that's enough to get Ruiz NFL interest while Jace is not on their radar, even though Ruiz is only slightly better on field goals.

[thf24]

I think it is pretty narrow gap for just field goals. It's just when you can't kickoff, you have to be that much better at field goals to be desired. Ruiz can kick off and apparently has more range on field goals although the stats don't show it, and I think that's enough to get Ruiz NFL interest while Jace is not on their radar, even though Ruiz is only slightly better on field goals.

The range factor is pretty important though. If you've got one guy you feel just as good about accuracy-wise from 10 yards further out than the other, that can change your entire offensive approach in a variety of situations, both play-by-play and on the drive as a whole. The fact that Ruiz has 28 career attempts from 40+ to Christmann's 17 in the same number of seasons as the primary field goal kicker is a rough indication that Ruiz gives an offense more versatility.

That said, I know that number isn't exactly an airtight comparison, and there may not be one. But if we agree that Ruiz has generally more range and what data we have shows they're pretty similar accuracy-wise, then at minimum it's obvious that Christmann didn't get snubbed by our staff for non-performance related reasons as someone earlier insinuated.

[Turfdawg67]

Ruiz was 4/5 from 40-49 yards
Christman was 7/11 from 40-49 yards

You're arguing with a wall. Leach had no agenda and evaluated both of them in practice. Ruiz won because he had the stronger leg and was more consistent further out. Sucks for Jace.

[Hot Rock]

Christman was 80% on FG?s for us at 32/40 for his career- literally our best in history. He was also 122/123 on XP?s. He was ****ed over. I did the math for you.

Kick offs are in the endzone now so that's one thing that we have been lacking. They are both accurate kickers, but Ruiz can hit from further. It's a no brainer to play him. That's an easy call.

You are a coach, do you bench your best players simply because they are the new guy?

The best players should be on the field and the players understand that this ain't peewee football, they are there to win at this level. The best are the ones that get to play.

It's clear you cannot be objective when it comes to any decision Leach makes if you don't like this one.

[Bothrops]

I don't like losing Jace, to be honest.

[Coach34]

Oh, you ONLY included Christman's 2019 FG stats. Add 2017 & 2018 and see what you get.

Your math sux!


No- my math is perfect. Christmann is 32/40 for his career on FG's- 80%. 122/123 on XP's. Ruiz certainly has the stronger leg. Just think ****ing over a 3 year starter sux. We could have let Ruiz KO and handle long FG's. Easy solution there. Both were on the team anyway- so why not?

[HoopsDawg]

No- my math is perfect. Christmann is 32/40 for his career on FG's- 80%. 122/123 on XP's. Ruiz certainly has the stronger leg. Just think ****ing over a 3 year starter sux. We could have let Ruiz KO and handle long FG's. Easy solution there. Both were on the team anyway- so why not?

Christmann was a very solid kicker. Ruiz is better.

[Tough Dawg]

Ruiz is better. A good bit better actually. C34 is wrong. He?s not the smartest guy in the room. Hate to break it to him.

[Coach34]

Ruiz is better. A good bit better actually. C34 is wrong. He?s not the smartest guy in the room. Hate to break it to him.

He had a good year. We'll see if he matches his good 2020 season next year. Christmann kicked in the bowl game and we didnt miss a beat

[Johnson85]

No- my math is perfect. Christmann is 32/40 for his career on FG's- 80%. 122/123 on XP's. Ruiz certainly has the stronger leg. Just think ****ing over a 3 year starter sux. We could have let Ruiz KO and handle long FG's. Easy solution there. Both were on the team anyway- so why not?

We could have, and he probably would have been just as good as Ruiz from inside of 40, but why bring Ruiz in cold for long field goals when he is just as good at other ranges? I sucks for Christmann that he was overtaken his senior year, but it happens. Any other position except for possibly QB, you try to figure out to get a long term starter snaps his senior year, but he's at one of a few positions in football where being slightly less good means you get basically zero snaps unless there is an injury or blowout.

[bulldawg28]

Another transfer Pruitt. We're going to field an NFL roster of 54 players. Man

[Tbonewannabe]

Christman was 80% on FG’s for us at 32/40 for his career- literally our best in history. He was also 122/123 on XP’s. He was ****ed over. I did the math for you.

Ruiz has a NFL leg, Christman doesn't. Sucks but we are improved with Ruiz.

[Jarius]

What the hell? Ruiz was better. How can you not do %? 83 is higher than 80. The previous best kicker in school history got passed up by someone who had even better stats this season than Christman’s career stats. Tough shit. This is the sec, not Dixie Youth.

[Ari Gold]

Another transfer Pruitt. We're going to field an NFL roster of 54 players. Man

Addition by subtraction
Get rid of these guys that will NEVER contribute..
and get more guys in here that might ..
By the end of the summer and before fall practice I bet we have at least 80 -83 scholarship players ..

[bulldawg28]

Addition by subtraction
Get rid of these guys that will NEVER contribute..
and get more guys in here that might ..
By the end of the summer and before fall practice I bet we have at least 80 -83 scholarship players ..

I agree with the concept. If we can get to 80 scholarship players before fall I'll tip my hat to this coaching staff. That would be big

[BrunswickDawg]

https://twitter.com/jchristmann47/status/1350197215415967745?s=21

Interesting that Christman will be replacing the NFL bound guy that was coming to MSU and might have beat him out 3 years ago

[schddog72]

Christman is one of the best Kickers in school history and got f'ed over this year. Absolutely support him leaving for greener pastures

Christman now at UF with *******. Announced today.

[Jarius]

Another transfer Pruitt. We're going to field an NFL roster of 54 players. Man

We are going to have between 75-78 players next year. What are you talking about?

[bulldawg28]

We are going to have between 75-78 players next year. What are you talking about?

Asterisks needed for you huh?