So is Arnett staying or leaving?

[Jack Lambert]

Ok you guys who know the Cigar Boys. Let us Peasants know.

[Todd4State]

Reading between the lines as a peasant I would only be concerned if LSU hires Cincinnati's DC.

[msstate7]

Reading between the lines as a peasant I would only be concerned if LSU hires Cincinnati's DC.

Don't follow

[R2Dawg]

Ok you guys who know the Cigar Boys. Let us Peasants know.

Don't know what is going to happen but with some big programs potentially open, I'm a little concerned but I also think we are not in as bad a spot as some may think.

Appears Arnett is somewhat happy here but that don't mean he is staying.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Don't follow

Marcus Freeman is the Cincinnati DC. It's rumored he's number 1 on LSU and ND's list. If ND loses out on him most believe that Arnett is next on their list.

[msbulldog]

Freeman is not going to LSU, short time job.

[msstate7]

Marcus Freeman is the Cincinnati DC. It's rumored he's number 1 on LSU and ND's list. If ND loses out on him most believe that Arnett is next on their list.

Thanks

[Homedawg]

Don't know what is going to happen but with some big programs potentially open, I'm a little concerned but I also think we are not in as bad a spot as some may think.

Appears Arnett is somewhat happy here but that don't mean he is staying.
This is pretty accurate. He likes it here. But you there is reason for concern.

[Todd4State]

This is pretty accurate. He likes it here. But you there is reason for concern.

The price of hiring good people.

[MetEdDawg]

Bo Bounds apparently said we have a $2 million buyout in Arnett's contract.

Is that true? If so, our administration is finally giving us some much needed security in keeping coaches. That would be huge for us if we did that.

[Todd4State]

Bo Bounds apparently said we have a $2 million buyout in Arnett's contract.

Is that true? If so, our administration is finally giving us some much needed security in keeping coaches. That would be huge for us if we did that.

Yes. And we're paying him over a million dollars as well. We're a pretty good job and it's going to take a blue blood to take one of our coaches and not a lateral move.

[Dawgology]

Yes. And we're paying him over a million dollars as well. We're a pretty good job and it's going to take a blue blood to take one of our coaches and not a lateral move.

We need to get to the point where our coordinators are paid well enough that they would only leave for HC jobs. Someone like Arnett will 100% a head coach at some point. He?s that good. We lock him in with a huge buyout, pay him top 20 coordinator salary and name him Assistant Head coach.

Consistency in coordinators will result in even better results on the field.

[Coach34]

We just wont ever be there. The Blue bloods will always rob the middle class. Thats just life

[basedog]

We just wont ever be there. The Blue bloods will always rob the middle class. Thats just life

I agree, plus as you’ve stated Coaches move around, for many reasons. Expecting assistants to stay for long periods are over now days.

[MetEdDawg]

I agree, plus as you’ve stated Coaches move around, for many reasons. Expecting assistants to stay for long periods are over now days.

The buyout to me is the big thing. Have we ever had a buyout for a coordinator this big? $2 million is a pretty hefty tag and doesn't sound like something we've exercised in the past.

If so, is that Leach pushing for that? I like it no matter who pushed for it, but it seems like a high number for us given our past.

[basedog]

The buyout to me is the big thing. Have we ever had a buyout for a coordinator this big? $2 million is a pretty hefty tag and doesn't sound like something we've exercised in the past.

If so, is that Leach pushing for that? I like it no matter who pushed for it, but it seems like a high number for us given our past.

I’m sure it goes down each year. Seems like a good deal as he was or did the most impressive job.

[Homedawg]

The price of hiring good people.

Yep exactly

[Homedawg]

We need to get to the point where our coordinators are paid well enough that they would only leave for HC jobs. Someone like Arnett will 100% a head coach at some point. He?s that good. We lock him in with a huge buyout, pay him top 20 coordinator salary and name him Assistant Head coach.

Consistency in coordinators will result in even better results on the field.
Just isn't going to happen. You'd have to pay the most of any team and it still wouldn't stop the poaching

[Homedawg]

The buyout to me is the big thing. Have we ever had a buyout for a coordinator this big? $2 million is a pretty hefty tag and doesn't sound like something we've exercised in the past.

If so, is that Leach pushing for that? I like it no matter who pushed for it, but it seems like a high number for us given our past.

It is good. But whoever wants him will pay that 2 mil and laugh. Not a big deal.

[SPMT]

We just wont ever be there. The Blue bloods will always rob the middle class. Thats just life

Yep. Short of double the athletic budget and then some, plus vision to position the image differently/in a unique way.

We are a LONG way from the image thing. I saw a post regarding social media increase among athletic departments. Didn?t see us anywhere close to the top. Guess who is.....yep, Ole Miss. Plus lots of blue blood.

[TheLostDawg]

How much are we paying Moorhead and how long.

Or did we get out of that unscathed

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Yep. Short of double the athletic budget and then some, plus vision to position the image differently/in a unique way.

We are a LONG way from the image thing. I saw a post regarding social media increase among athletic departments. Didn?t see us anywhere close to the top. Guess who is.....yep, Ole Miss. Plus lots of blue blood.

That?s because Cohen doesn?t think marketing, media, Brand Building are important.... unless he is doing baseball radio commentary with Jim Ellis or his Podcast. Stricklin/Byrne had us going in the right direction on Marketing/Media/Social media. Now, we are not even trying to build a brand and have gotten away from things like #Hailstate, StarkVegas and Maroon Fridays.... Vic had a lot people in Mississippi wearing PTLGD shirts. Dave Emerick is doing some good stuff with Football. To me we should try to build a brand around STATE.

[SPMT]

That?s because Cohen doesn?t think marketing, media, Brand Building are important.... unless he is doing baseball radio commentary with Jim Ellis or his Podcast. Stricklin/Byrne had us going in the right direction on Marketing/Media/Social media. Now, we are not even trying to build a brand and have gotten away from things like #Hailstate, StarkVegas and Maroon Fridays.... Vic had a lot people in Mississippi wearing PTLGD shirts. Dave Emerick is doing some good stuff with Football. To me we should try to build a brand around STATE.

Totally agree. No vision from Cohen, at least no communicated one.

[BrunswickDawg]

That?s because Cohen doesn?t think marketing, media, Brand Building are important.... unless he is doing baseball radio commentary with Jim Ellis or his Podcast. Stricklin/Byrne had us going in the right direction on Marketing/Media/Social media. Now, we are not even trying to build a brand and have gotten away from things like #Hailstate, StarkVegas and Maroon Fridays.... Vic had a lot people in Mississippi wearing PTLGD shirts. Dave Emerick is doing some good stuff with Football. To me we should try to build a brand around STATE.

People on here bitched incessantly about how stupid #HailState and StarkVegas are - and not just one or two people. I also remember a whole lot of people wanting Strick run out of here and were happy when he went to UF.
At least our fans are consistent***

[basedog]

People on here bitched incessantly about how stupid #HailState and StarkVegas are - and not just one or two people. I also remember a whole lot of people wanting Strick run out of here and were happy when he went to UF.
At least our fans are consistent***

Bruns. I wouldn't put too much stock on the bitching, it's a message board and it is on all message boards especially in the Sec. We have come a loonnnggggg ways in StarkVegas. Now back to folks ready to jump off the bridge***

[BrunswickDawg]

Bruns. I wouldn't put too much stock on the bitching, it's a message board and it is on all message boards especially in the Sec. We have come a loonnnggggg ways in StarkVegas. Now back to folks ready to jump off the bridge***

Oh, I know. It just always cracks me up.

[Santiago]

People on here bitched incessantly about how stupid #HailState and StarkVegas are - and not just one or two people. I also remember a whole lot of people wanting Strick run out of here and were happy when he went to UF.
At least our fans are consistent***

I liked their efforts this year with re-introducing the Flying M. Assuming that is baby steps to bring it back into modern day. They younger crowd , the ones I talked to at least, seemed to really like it.
Not the exact same thing as you were saying, but that was a good effort this year.
And I am critical as heck about past efforts on marketing, but you are right on Stricklin/Byrne marketing.

[msbulldog]

Hey and we got billboards!

[HeCannotGo]

Just isn't going to happen. You'd have to pay the most of any team and it still wouldn't stop the poaching

Agree. We could pay way over market for a coordinator, but that wouldn't stop an Alabama or a Texas from going even further above market if they wanted one of our coaches. We wouldn't achieve the objective of coaching staff stability and it would cost us a lot of money in the process.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That?s because Cohen doesn?t think marketing, media, Brand Building are important.... unless he is doing baseball radio commentary with Jim Ellis or his Podcast. Stricklin/Byrne had us going in the right direction on Marketing/Media/Social media. Now, we are not even trying to build a brand and have gotten away from things like #Hailstate, StarkVegas and Maroon Fridays.... Vic had a lot people in Mississippi wearing PTLGD shirts. Dave Emerick is doing some good stuff with Football. To me we should try to build a brand around STATE.

This was always my main problem with hiring an ex coach to be the AD. Cohen doesn't like that stuff and has run off some really good people because of his thinking on it. I mean Bob was a heck of an ambassador for us with his writing and say what you want about Derek Cody and his views on certain issues, but that guy was a wizard with video and editing. And then there's Rhett Hobart. Rhett is maroon thru and thru and I hope he's hired as the AD in the future, but it just seemed like he was getting pushed out towards the end of his time. His marketing ideas, Tents For Tickets withstanding, were always very good and what he's doing at Wake is very innovative.

I don't know who's advising Cohen on this stuff, but whoever it is needs to go.

[Santiago]

This was always my main problem with hiring an ex coach to be the AD. Cohen doesn't like that stuff and has run off some really good people because of his thinking on it. I mean Bob was a heck of an ambassador for us with his writing and say what you want about Derek Cody and his views on certain issues, but that guy was a wizard with video and editing. And then there's Rhett Hobart. Rhett is maroon thru and thru and I hope he's hired as the AD in the future, but it just seemed like he was getting pushed out towards the end of his time. His marketing ideas, Tents For Tickets withstanding, were always very good and what he's doing at Wake is very innovative.

I don't know who's advising Cohen on this stuff, but whoever it is needs to go.

Miss Bob not being at MSU. Did he get run off?
Derek - same thing.

[Goldendawg]

I liked their efforts this year with re-introducing the Flying M. Assuming that is baby steps to bring it back into modern day. They younger crowd , the ones I talked to at least, seemed to really like it.
Not the exact same thing as you were saying, but that was a good effort this year.
And I am critical as heck about past efforts on marketing, but you are right on Stricklin/Byrne marketing.

I love the MState logo. Every time someone asks me where I went to college, I say "MState!"***** MSU Class of '77.

[Dawgology]

Miss Bob not being at MSU. Did he get run off?
Derek - same thing.

Derek was so good. Wish we still had him.

[Coach34]

M-State logo is trash. And I’ve never met a State person that calls us “M-State”