Is Mac Jones a 1st rounder?

[msstate7]

I would've said no imo until I saw this. Perhaps he's better than I thought...

"The Bama quarterback has thrown an uncatchable ball on just 18.7% of his 10-plus-yard passes, which is over four percentage points better than any other Power 5 quarterback since we began charting QB accuracy and ball location back in 2018.

Further cementing his place at the top is Jones' ability to limit negative plays. One of the most important and stable statistical measures to quarterback play is negatively graded throw rate, and there hasn?t been a better quarterback in that metric this season than the Crimson Tide passer. Not only does he lead all quarterbacks in negatively graded play rate this year, but he also leads every single QB of the PFF College era.

And all of this success isn?t entirely because he has open throw after open throw. He's actually thrown into a tight window on 15.2% of his passes this season, a rate that is about four percentage points higher than Tagovailoa's last season and is nearly double that of Justin Fields (8.3%) this year. Oh, and Jones has also been the most accurate passer on tight-window throws this season ? by a large margin"

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-alabama-crimson-tide-qb-mac-jones-best-in-cfb-history

[Todd4State]

No. I think he will struggle in the NFL without Bama protection.

[Matt3467]

Tua is the first Bama QB as far back as I can remember that's had mild success.

[vv83]

Tua is the first Bama QB as far back as I can remember that's had mild success.

Uh am I missing something? He?s been benched almost every game they let him start then got blown with with 3 picks today

[vv83]

Also to answer OP, any other year yeah but there?s 4 guys ahead of him this year. I think he might sneak in late but not a sure fire like other years.

[msstatelp1]

Given the recent history of Bama QBs in the NFL, I don't take him in the 1st round if I'm a GM.

[msstate7]

I certainly wouldn't take him top 20. I might would give him a shot 27-32 though.

[ShotgunDawg]

Hell no.
Career backup

[msstate7]

Hell no.
Career backup
Do you read PFF? I think those guys are pretty smart, so I put weight in their stat based opinions.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

Probably not but could see him going in the 2nd to say New England. There are several teams that wanna go the qb route.

[defiantdog]

He's incredibly accurate, but I'm not sure he's a guy you build a team around. Sark is a key reason he's excelled this season, like Kiffin was with Tua. NFL is different. The responsibility of reads, prep, and in-game progressions are on you. If he lands in Atlanta or somewhere that has a nice supporting cast, then he may be able to excel more. He'd be forgotten if he got drafted by Carolina.

[MetEdDawg]

I wouldn't move up to take him if I needed a QB.

I'm very weary of these signal callers from these top tier programs that get the best protection all the time. They don't have to deal with as much in game adversity. Look at Mac Jones. How may times was he in a really pressure situation? Maybe Ole Miss? Maybe Florida?

Kids like Mac Jones and Lawrence will never been seen how they respond to a loss because they've never lost in the regular season. They don't have to come back and make changes. Same with kids like Fields amd Tua.

I said it last week. I'll be interested to revisit these guys in 3-5 years that played at Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, amd Oklahoma amd see where they are. Watson has done well. Mayfield better this year. But lots of unknowns for the rest.

[Saltydog]

I don't see it. Like with every Bama QB he's surrounded by elite collegiate talent. Take that away and, meh. I wouldn't waste a pick on him. I don't even see him as a career backup either. None of Saban's Bama QB's have had great NFL careers.

[Todd4State]

Do you read PFF? I think those guys are pretty smart, so I put weight in their stat based opinions.

I think with scouting- MLB or football- you have to use both stats and the eye test and integrate the two to come up with an overall evaluation. Stats are a tool but shouldn't be the only tool used.

[ShotgunDawg]

Do you read PFF? I think those guys are pretty smart, so I put weight in their stat based opinions.

I couldn't care less what they think about his stats. He has no carrying tool and nothing dynamic about him. He's Mason Rudolph-ish. Not a 1st rounder and not a consistent NFL starter.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

I don't see it. Like with every Bama QB he's surrounded by elite collegiate talent. Take that away and, meh. I wouldn't waste a pick on him. I don't even see him as a career backup either. None of Saban's Bama QB's have had great NFL careers.

None of his qbs had 4000 plus 36 tds 4 picks. 77% completion percentage either. I see a team giving him a shot.

[ShotgunDawg]

None of his qbs had 4000 plus 36 tds 4 picks. 77% completion percentage either. I see a team giving him a shot.

He'll get a shot for sure. I just don't think he has anywhere near the ingredients to be an NFL starter

He's the 4th best QB pro prospect in the SEC IMO

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

He'll get a shot for sure. I just don't think he has anywhere near the ingredients to be an NFL starter

He's the 4th best QB pro prospect in the SEC IMO
Trask obviously then who else? Mond? 4th best is hard to come to terms with.

[ShotgunDawg]

Trask obviously then who else? Mond? 4th best is hard to come to terms with.

Corral

Gap

Trask
JT Daniels

Jones

[vv83]

He's incredibly accurate, but I'm not sure he's a guy you build a team around. Sark is a key reason he's excelled this season, like Kiffin was with Tua. NFL is different. The responsibility of reads, prep, and in-game progressions are on you. If he lands in Atlanta or somewhere that has a nice supporting cast, then he may be able to excel more. He'd be forgotten if he got drafted by Carolina.

Carolina has a better supporting cast than the Falcons. Christian McCaffery plus 3 1000yd receivers this year.

[defiantdog]

Carolina has a better supporting cast than the Falcons. Christian McCaffery plus 3 1000yd receivers this year.

McCaffery won't finish a season. Dude is a toothpick unlike his dad.

[Matt3467]

Uh am I missing something? He?s been benched almost every game they let him start then got blown with with 3 picks today

I said MILD success. As a whole he hasn't been horrible in the games he's played in. Yesterday was bad yes but relative to Bama QBs he's had a better year than any Bama QB that's come out in decades. You'd have to go way way back to find a Bama QB that has thrown for more yards and more TDs than Tua has in 10 games this year. Btw he's 6-3 in games he's started the 10th game he played in they won but he didn't start.

[vv83]

McCaffery won't finish a season. Dude is a toothpick unlike his dad.

I?m starting to get the impression you don?t actually watch football, and just repeat things you hear.

[vv83]

I said MILD success. As a whole he hasn't been horrible in the games he's played in. Yesterday was bad yes but relative to Bama QBs he's had a better year than any Bama QB that's come out in decades. You'd have to go way way back to find a Bama QB that has thrown for more yards and more TDs than Tua has in 10 games this year. Btw he's 6-3 in games he's started the 10th game he played in they won but he didn't start.

Fair enough. That 6-3 record is a bit skewed however because they benched him in half of those to bring in Fitz who won the game.

[Hot Rock]

All it takes is one team to need a QB and them have him rated as the best QB on the board and he is going in the first round.

Do I want him as my NFL QB? I don't know, I have not seen him under duress much and therefore I would not at this point in time.

I think its why you see QB's from everywhere do well, they have seen more pressure on a weekly basis and learn to deal with it better.

[Tbonewannabe]

All it takes is one team to need a QB and them have him rated as the best QB on the board and he is going in the first round.

Do I want him as my NFL QB? I don't know, I have not seen him under duress much and therefore I would not at this point in time.

I think its why you see QB's from everywhere do well, they have seen more pressure on a weekly basis and learn to deal with it better.

That is the roll of the dice on Bama QBs. None have really worked out yet. It has been said that Tua admitted that some of his problems are he isn't used to throwing open receivers. Even if they throw into a tighter window, the WR is just so much better than the DB that it works out more than not.

Having Bama Oline that is allowed to hold all they want leads to bad habits for QBs. They don't develop the clock in their head like other QBs. It is like if a hitter only saw 75 mph fastballs but other guys are seeing 90+. Even if the guy is dominant, you don't know what he will do when he sees 90+.

[SteelCurtain74]

The latest mock draft I saw had him going to the Steelers as the 28th pick. I would be okay with that because Rudolph is not the answer and neither is Josh Dobbs. Jones would have at least 1 year under Big Ben before starting. Personally while QB is an area of need for the Steelers, offensive line might be more of a need this year.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

I?m starting to get the impression you don?t actually watch football, and just repeat things you hear.

Spot on call

[Ari Gold]

I bet he has a better pro career than Tua...