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[msu15]

That's fine. I'm sorry that you think Howland is such a good basketball coach even though he hasn't accomplished anything in his time here. You won't have to worry about me logging in to this site anymore. Hail State!

[msstate7]

What exactly do you think is acceptable for our basketball program?

[KOdawg1]

Are we turning into Gene's Page? All hell naw

[msstate7]

We're top 6 in sec in conference wins the last 3 years. Should we be top 5? Just wondering. What's acceptable?

[msstate7]

We have 11 ncaa appearances all time. Howland has 1, and there was no tourney last year.

[FISHDAWG]

After the Leach bashing here I would think any coach would be up for critique

[msstate7]

Since integration, we've won the sec 2 times. We finished 4th last year. Fahr howland

[msstate7]

After the Leach bashing here I would think any coach would be up for critique

He should be critiqued. The set to end OT was awful. Fire him? Only a clown would suggest it

[BrunswickDawg]

He should be critiqued. The set to end OT was awful. Fire him? Only a clown would suggest it

He should have been winning the West every year like Stans.***

[msstate7]

We've got 10 ncaa appearances since integration. That's 10 out of 57 or 17.5% of the time. Howland made tourney 1 out of 3 chances, 33.3%. Fahr him! We support our bball team big time with 230 fans!!!

[KOdawg1]

We've got 10 ncaa appearances since integration. That's 10 out of 57 or 17.5% of the time. Howland made tourney 1 out of 3 chances, 33.3%. Fahr him! We support our bball team big time with 230 fans!!!

I don't want him fired. But it wouldn't hurt my feelings if he retired

[msstate7]

I don't want him fired. But it wouldn't hurt my feelings if he retired

It would mine. I think he has a team on the verge of being a sweet 16 level team

ETA... by on the verge, i mean next season. I think we're a nit team with coach K calling the shots this year

[RiverCityDawg]

The depressing thing is he is not bad enough to fire, but we're going nowhere with him and will continue to see inconsistent frustrating results because his in-game coaching is just so bad. Apathy is high and it's going to get worse and worse until he retires.

[msstate7]

The depressing thing is he is not bad enough to fire, but we're going nowhere with him and will continue to see inconsistent frustrating results because his in-game coaching is just so bad. Apathy is high and it's going to get worse and worse until he retires.

What were your expectations this year?

[confucius say]

We've got 10 ncaa appearances since integration. That's 10 out of 57 or 17.5% of the time. Howland made tourney 1 out of 3 chances, 33.3%. Fahr him! We support our bball team big time with 230 fans!!!

3?

[msstate7]

3?

No one made the tourney last year. He's had 3 chances, and he's made the nit finals and tourney once

[BrunswickDawg]

3?
John Wooden couldn't have gotten those first 2 teams to the post season.

[confucius say]

Firing howland would be stupid. We are actually building. Calm down.
Hopefully he will get us back to where stans had us soon (in the tourney or a bubble team every year).

[confucius say]

No one made the tourney last year. He's had 3 chances, and he's made the nit finals and tourney once

2016
2017
2018
2019

[confucius say]

John Wooden couldn't have gotten those first 2 teams to the post season.

Oh I agree fully. But then if we are comparing coaches, Williams and stans and Ray get a pass their first season too, upping their percentages of postseason appearances (or in Ray's case, he was only 0 for 2 instead of 0 for 3).

[msstate7]

2016
2017
2018
2019

Who was in the tourney 2019?

[KOdawg1]

It would mine. I think he has a team on the verge of being a sweet 16 level team

ETA... by on the verge, i mean next season. I think we're a nit team with coach K calling the shots this year

I just haven't seen the offensive brand of basketball over the last 6 years that it takes to be a sweet 16 team next year.

I'm afraid Howland may be like Leach in that their systems are outdated. Howland needs to bring in a younger and more innovative mind to run the offense

[BrunswickDawg]

Firing howland would be stupid. We are actually building. Calm down.
Hopefully he will get us back to where stans had us soon (in the tourney or a bubble team every year).

Howland has had us there the past 3 seasons

[Hambone]

Math is hard for some people

[msstate7]

Howland has had us there the past 3 seasons

I'm sorta shaken up and not sure how to act with you in my corner lol

[confucius say]

Who was in the tourney 2019?

68 teams. Including us. We lost to liberty.

[msstate7]

Math is hard for some people

I dumb

[msstate7]

68 teams. Including us. We lost to liberty.

Ok, I'm drunk. I apologiZe. Lol

[confucius say]

Howland has had us there the past 3 seasons

Agree. Assuming we are counting 2020. Hoping he can sustain it. I don't want him fired.

[confucius say]

Ok, I'm drunk. I apologiZe. Lol

What you drinking on? Bring me some.

[msstate7]

We've got 10 ncaa appearances since integration. That's 10 out of 57 or 17.5% of the time. Howland made tourney 1 out of 3 chances, 33.3%. Fahr him! We support our bball team big time with 230 fans!!!

We've made it 25% of the time. Thanks Confucius

[msstate7]

What you drinking on? Bring me some.

Miller lite. I'm extremely disappointed with tonight's game. I'm really pissed

[BrunswickDawg]

I'm sorta shaken up and not sure how to act with you in my corner lol

Just enjoy being right for once LOL

[LC Dawg]

The depressing thing is he is not bad enough to fire, but we're going nowhere with him and will continue to see inconsistent frustrating results because his in-game coaching is just so bad. Apathy is high and it's going to get worse and worse until he retires.

You can't put the apathy on Howland. It's on Stricklin for hiring Ray and even on Byrne for reseating the Hump. The only way I think we get rid of the apathy is for Howland to win. I don't see us getting another coach in here to play in front on no one and still get players.

[confucius say]

Miller lite. I'm extremely disappointed with tonight's game. I'm really pissed

Same. We will bounce back though

[BrunswickDawg]

Same. We will bounce back though
Agree. I'm finishing off the last of the eggnog for the season - triple shot with bourbon, dark rum, and brandy so I feel no pain.

[msstate7]

I'm really disappointed we lost to Kentucky when I thought we should've won, but I haven't wavered..., next year is our year, not this one

[confucius say]

I'm really disappointed we lost to Kentucky when I thought we should've won, but I haven't wavered..., next year is our year, not this one

Agree with that too

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

Howland is probably as good as we are gonna do. With that being said. If state was gonna beat Kentucky this was the game. Extremely disappointing

[HoopsDawg]

I'm really disappointed we lost to Kentucky when I thought we should've won, but I haven't wavered..., next year is our year, not this one

Going to have to replace Ado and Jalen Johnson. Better find a great transfer.

[Jack Lambert]

We kept Stands around because he could recruit. We fired him because he could not win the big game. This situation we are in now is starting to feel pretty similar. The only thing we are missing is a team fight. Not saying he needs to go, I like him. Just pointing out my observation.

[maroonmania]

We kept Stands around because he could recruit. We fired him because he could not win the big game. This situation we are in now is starting to feel pretty similar. The only thing we are missing is a team fight. Not saying he needs to go, I like him. Just pointing out my observation.

Funny part was that Stans won all kinds of big games during the regular season. Even won an SEC title and the SEC tourney twice (should have been 3 counting the John Wall lane violation game). Only big games he couldn't win were the ones that would have gotten us past the first weekend of the NCAA tournament. Howland hasn't won anything at State yet, regular season or otherwise. If he had he could have won back over a lot of the fans that have just basically thrown in the towel on men's basketball.

[Coach34]

Howland has won 20-plus games 3 seasons in a row. That was good enough for the Stands cult for Stands to keep his job. So what?s the problem?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Firing howland would be stupid. We are actually building. Calm down.
Hopefully he will get us back to where stans had us soon (in the tourney or a bubble team every year).

We are building, but our ofdensive direction is 17n terrible.

[ScoobaDawg]

That's fine. I'm sorry that you think Howland is such a good basketball coach even though he hasn't accomplished anything in his time here. You won't have to worry about me logging in to this site anymore. Hail State!

No threads were deleted. I'm sorry your delicate flower was hurt with your non important thoughts of the game was merged into
.. You know the game thread...during.. The game...

But.. You won't ever see this since you jumped to conclusions and said you weren't logging in any more. Bye bye

[msstate7]

We are building, but our ofdensive direction is 17n terrible.

Surprisingly, we're 72nd out of 339 teams in offensive efficiency. We were 34th out of 353 last year.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/offensive-efficiency?date=2020-03-12

[RougeDawg]

If we hit a few more free throws we probably only have one loss. That is partially on the coach but mainly on the players. To be a great team, they players have to have an internal drive to work. From our free throw shooting, it looks like some are not putting in the extra work on their own to be great. Can only do so much in the limited practice time they have.

[msstate7]

If we hit a few more free throws we probably only have one loss. That is partially on the coach but mainly on the players. To be a great team, they players have to have an internal drive to work. From our free throw shooting, it looks like some are not putting in the extra work on their own to be great. Can only do so much in the limited practice time they have.

It's frustrating as hell. If you look at the bottom 4 in the sec at FT shooting, it's Kentucky, South Carolina, auburn, and us. All 4 teams lost a ton of players from last year. Perhaps FT shooting can be tied to experience. Whatever the reason, we have to get better.

[maroonmania]

If we hit a few more free throws we probably only have one loss. That is partially on the coach but mainly on the players. To be a great team, they players have to have an internal drive to work. From our free throw shooting, it looks like some are not putting in the extra work on their own to be great. Can only do so much in the limited practice time they have.

It's pretty much entirely on the coaching staff as FT shooting is just one of the many things evaluated during the recruiting process. I don't believe these guys just magically somehow showed up at MSU and forgot how to shoot FTs. Poor free throw shooters have almost always been poor free throw shooters. I guess our coaching staff thought their poor free throw shooting ability was worth taking when weighed against their other qualities. And you can live with a couple of guys that play that can't make a lot of free throws but we just have way too many of them on one team and it will cost us a lot of close games. Seriously, Cam Matthews gets a good number of minutes and is 1-11 on free throws. How does a guy play basketball most of his life and be that bad at shooting a free throw? I believe if you put me at the free throw line and blindfolded me I could make 1 out of 11.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Howlands teams can be frustrating, but he hasn?t done anything to warrant him being fired. He has us competitive again after the Rick Ray debacle. I don?t think he is the best coach, but if we can even go 8-10 in the SEC this year that is a positive and next year we have a chance to really compete. Firing him would just lead to Cohen hiring someone like Ray

[maroonmania]

Howlands teams can be frustrating, but he hasn?t done anything to warrant him being fired. He has us competitive again after the Rick Ray debacle. I don?t think he is the best coach, but if we can even go 8-10 in the SEC this year that is a positive and next year we have a chance to really compete. Firing him would just lead to Cohen hiring someone like Ray

I in no way am advocating getting rid of Howland. He is doing fine and about as well as you can expect given our fans lousy support of the sport. While he hasn't gotten to the level Stans did in his peak years from 01-05, he is doing about as well as we did during the Stans era for the rest of it. And that may be as much as we can do unless our fans decide they really want to support the program again in a meaningful way. My biggest complaint with Howland is he had the built in recruiting advantage of a lot of high rated MSU legacies to take advantage of (Malik Newman, Tyson Carter, Reggie Perry, Robert Woodard) plus the Weatherspoons and yet we didn't really accomplish much with all of that. That could have been used to bring the fans back but we sort of wasted it. Now we are just trying to make the team work with a lot of journeyman lower rated guys. We will see how it goes. I do think Howland could use some coaching help on the offensive end. We never look well coached on that end of the floor. And man it really cost us on that last possession of the first OT last night where we had a chance to win and didn't even try to run a play.

[PendingTransaction]

One of the two is true: 20 wins and a one-and-done tourney appearance is the ceiling for MSU basketball or the program has underachieved with Howland.

And please stop mentioning Rick Ray! He's been gone for 6 years!!! That's like blaming our 3-7 football team on Rocky Felker. Building a basketball program isn't a 8-year undertaking.

[msstate7]

One of the two is true: 20 wins and a one-and-done tourney appearance is the ceiling for MSU basketball or the program has underachieved with Howland.

And please stop mentioning Rick Ray! He's been gone for 6 years!!! That's like blaming our 3-7 football team on Rocky Felker. Building a basketball program isn't a 8-year undertaking.

What do you think is acceptable for our program? Consider recruiting base, facilities, fan support, etc.

[confucius say]

Howland has won 20-plus games 3 seasons in a row. That was good enough for the Stands cult for Stands to keep his job. So what?s the problem?

I agree with this. Howland should be safe. He almost has us back to where stans had us. Running him off now would be the same mistake we made running off stans.

[PGHBulldogBG]

One of the two is true: 20 wins and a one-and-done tourney appearance is the ceiling for MSU basketball or the program has underachieved with Howland.

And please stop mentioning Rick Ray! He's been gone for 6 years!!! That's like blaming our 3-7 football team on Rocky Felker. Building a basketball program isn't a 8-year undertaking.

Rick Ray is the reason that our basketball team lost support. It was a disaster hire much like Moorhead. Luckily with Moorhead we got rid of him before it turned bad. I am by no way blaming our performance recently on Ray, just making a point that is what caused the lack of fan support. This is actually my favorite team to watch since the Stans days because they actually play as a team and give 100 percent effort. Unfortunately, we probably need a sweet 16 to bring back a lot of the support

[PendingTransaction]

Rick Ray is the reason that our basketball team lost support. It was a disaster hire much like Moorhead. Luckily with Moorhead we got rid of him before it turned bad. I am by no way blaming our performance recently on Ray, just making a point that is what caused the lack of fan support. This is actually my favorite team to watch since the Stans days because they actually play as a team and give 100 percent effort. Unfortunately, we probably need a sweet 16 to bring back a lot of the support

True, Ray's two years of bad baseball lost the fans. Good basketball will bring the support back... 6 years and counting

[msstate7]

True, Ray's two years of bad baseball lost the fans. Good basketball will bring the support back... 6 years and counting

Yeah, we just need to find that coach that can get us in the tourney every year. 1996 sorta make us crazy as a fanbase. No one considers OM a good basketball program, but let's do a side by side...

Ncaa tourneys since integration:
State 10
OM 9

Conf tourney champs since integration:
State 4
OM 3

Sec champs since integration:
State 2
OM 0

Sweet 16 since integration:
State 2
OM 1

Final 4:
State 1
OM 0

We just haven't ever been a very good basketball program. Certainly not good enough to run off coaches like stansbury and howland without paying a price. Imagine looking in on our program as an outsider... we don't give our team any support, zero. We don't have a good recruiting base. We have aging facilities. We pay howland 12-13th in salary in the sec. Despite all this, we wanna run howland off bc being a bubble team is unacceptable given our storied program.

[PendingTransaction]

Yeah, we just need to find that coach that can get us in the tourney every year. 1996 sorta make us crazy as a fanbase. No one considers OM a good basketball program, but let's do a side by side...

Ncaa tourneys since integration:
State 10
OM 9

Conf tourney champs since integration:
State 4
OM 3

Sec champs since integration:
State 2
OM 0

Sweet 16 since integration:
State 2
OM 1

Final 4:
State 1
OM 0

We just haven't ever been a very good basketball program. Certainly not good enough to run off coaches like stansbury and howland without paying a price. Imagine looking in on our program as an outsider... we don't give our team any support, zero. We don't have a good recruiting base. We have aging facilities. We pay howland 12-13th in salary in the sec. Despite all this, we wanna run howland off bc being a bubble team is unacceptable given our storied program.

Great points. Our basketball ball program has more pressing needs than a new coach. Perhaps the build it, they will come approach is what's needed. Other than the practice facility, the Hump is the same as it was when I was a student almost 35 years ago.

[Bothrops]

What exactly do you think is acceptable for our basketball program?

Beating Kentucky once a decade would be a good start.

[chef dixon]

Going to have to replace Ado and Jalen Johnson. Better find a great transfer.

Much less daunting than replacing Perry, Woodard, Nick and Tyson

[msstate7]

Much less daunting than replacing Perry, Woodard, Nick and Tyson

I'm not so sure we have to replace both. I think odds of keeping 1 or even both aren't zero