The Cleveland Indians Are No More

[ShotgunDawg]

Cancel culture claims another one

https://twitter.com/sinow/status/1338294565460193280?s=21

[KOdawg1]

They'll have to call in the National Guard if they want to try to come for the Braves next

[defiantdog]

Are they gonna be the Cleveland baseball team?

[Dogbone]

Cancel culture claims another one

https://twitter.com/sinow/status/1338294565460193280?s=21

Cleveland Nats

[msstate7]

Not sure why "Indians" is offensive. Aren't teams named after BA things?

[ShotgunDawg]

They'll have to call in the National Guard if they want to try to come for the Braves next

Get ready. They're coming.

Remember, activists don't get paid unless they're active. They won't let it stop nor ever be satisfied

[Quaoarsking]

"I would be fine if <insert organization> here made the change on their own, I just don't want them to be forced by the government! Let the free market decide!"

Government ignores the issue. Eventually, the free market determines that <insert organization> is more profitable with <whatever change was discussed>.

"I'm not fine at all! Even though I don't even care about <insert organization> in the first place!"

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

The United States of America had a good run. Like many great empires and nations before, it will be on the decline at around 250 years old.

[TUSK]

The United States of America had a good run. Like many great empires and nations before, it will be on the decline at around 250 years old.

This is correct.

[Fader21]

I see Ole Rachel Phelps just won't leave the team alone. I guess they really don't have no........ marbles

[Matt3467]

Yea saw this coming a long time ago before the statues started toppling.

[viverlibre]

The United States of America had a good run. Like many great empires and nations before, it will be on the decline at around 250 years old.

Was it Ben Franklin that said a democracy would only last about 200 years as people would realize they could vote their wants rather than what was best for the country?

[The Federalist Engineer]

Young Consumer Angle (an idea):

This is something that guys my age (born the late 70s) may not all know. We inhabit the same geographic area as the urban folks born after 2000, but we are far, far different people and basically are like foreign nations in a nation. I am not talking even “Liberal v Conservative” from the 90’s. To the young kids really don’t like the old 80s and 90s liberals.

(1) we think psychology is for crazy people, they all have therapist like we have auto mechanics or cabinet guys
(2) we don’t know any Trans people, They have 20 Trans girls in their school
(3) we did not know a single respectable atheist person, they do not know a single religious person
(4) we don’t know any Gay people. They have 8 gay friends
(5) we expect to hear English spoken by our neighbors, they ride Ubers with fresh Afghans and Pakis everyday
(6) we grew up on American Excellence in school, they have 8 to 12 years of Cultural Marxism by 18
(7) a pregnant unwed woman was a family scandal to us, this is quite normal to them
(8) wokeness is their religion, they get it from the Social Media influencers. We older guys think people rambling on Internet monologues are Nut jobs, they are taken quite seriously by the young kids. We think people watch TV news.
(9) where people used to call out Satanic and Communist undertones in popular culture, the young kids are looking for “white supremacy” everywhere in everybody

Baseball teams are consumer products and they need to be popular to thrive. They are quite fragile, they can’t take unpopularity of even a small loud minority. We might be quite surprised how far and how big the new group really is. Plus the owner’s Woke, Trans, or Something grandkids could have told grandpa they will self harm or stop calling them unless they change the name. Easy fix and it only bothers law abiding guys with assets, careers, and net worth to protect.

[TUSK]

Young Consumer Angle (an idea):

This is something that guys my age (born the late 70s) may not all know. We inhabit the same geographic area as the urban folks born after 2000, but we are far, far different people and basically are like foreign nations in a nation. I am not talking even “Liberal v Conservative” from the 90’s. To the young kids really don’t like the old 80s and 90s liberals.

(1) we think psychology is for crazy people, they all have therapist like we have auto mechanics or cabinet guys
(2) we don’t know any Trans people, They have 20 Trans girls in their school
(3) we did not know a single respectable atheist person, they do not know a single religious person
(4) we don’t know any Gay people. They have 8 gay friends
(5) we expect to hear English spoken by our neighbors, they ride Ubers with fresh Afghans and Pakis everyday
(6) we grew up on American Excellence in school, they have 8 to 12 years of Cultural Marxism by 18
(7) a pregnant unwed woman was a family scandal to us, this is quite normal to them
(8) wokeness is their religion, they get it from the Social Media influencers. We older guys think people rambling on Internet monologues are Nut jobs, they are taken quite seriously by the young kids. We think people watch TV news.
(9) where people used to call out Satanic and Communist undertones in popular culture, the young kids are looking for “white supremacy” everywhere in everybody

Baseball teams are consumer products and they need to be popular to thrive. They are quite fragile, they can’t take unpopularity of even a small loud minority. We might be quite surprised how far and how big the new group really is. Plus the owner’s Woke, Trans, or Something grandkids could have told grandpa they will self harm or stop calling them unless they change the name. Easy fix and it only bothers law abiding guys with assets, careers, and net worth to protect.

Wow... Well done, my friend.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Federalist Engineer again.

[ShotgunDawg]

Was it Ben Franklin that said a democracy would only last about 200 years as people would realize they could vote their wants rather than what was best for the country?

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-democracy-cannot-exist-as-a-permanent-form-of-government-it-can-only-exist-until-the-alexander-fraser-tytler-53-85-58.jpg

[Quaoarsking]

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.02_TeenBirths_US-teen-birth-rate-fallen-over-time.png

[BeardoMSU]

The United States of America had a good run. Like many great empires and nations before, it will be on the decline at around 250 years old.

Yeah, it's the renaming of a ****ing baseball team that will bring down America. Jesus Christ, lol.

[Quaoarsking]

(1) we think psychology is for crazy people, they all have therapist like we have auto mechanics or cabinet guys
(2) we don’t know any Trans people, They have 20 Trans girls in their school
(3) we did not know a single respectable atheist person, they do not know a single religious person
(4) we don’t know any Gay people. They have 8 gay friends
(5) we expect to hear English spoken by our neighbors, they ride Ubers with fresh Afghans and Pakis everyday
(6) we grew up on American Excellence in school, they have 8 to 12 years of Cultural Marxism by 18
(7) a pregnant unwed woman was a family scandal to us, this is quite normal to them
(8) wokeness is their religion, they get it from the Social Media influencers. We older guys think people rambling on Internet monologues are Nut jobs, they are taken quite seriously by the young kids. We think people watch TV news.
(9) where people used to call out Satanic and Communist undertones in popular culture, the young kids are looking for “white supremacy” everywhere in everybody

So I read this as you were saying you're in your 70s, and was going to reply "You've actually known lots of gays, psychology patients, and atheists in your life, they just didn't tell you," but upon rereading, you're actually less than 10 years older than me, so I'm calling BS on the whole thing.

You don't know any gay people somehow, and also think that's a common experience for Generation X? Give me a break. You don't think any of age peers have been to a psychologist?

You think "cultural marxism" is an actual thing and not a made up ssssscary Internet conspiracy theory? You're too young to get suckered in by that.

[The Federalist Engineer]

https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/chamie-chartPicture2-500x.png

[Rex54]

You think "cultural marxism" is an actual thing and not a made up ssssscary Internet conspiracy theory? You're too young to get suckered in by that.


Lol I know you're smart enough to know about Critical Theory and the Frankfurt School but I also know you're perfectly fine with it.

The oligarchs can amass all the wealth and bomb who they want, so long as they have a rainbow flag and pronouns in their signature line.

[FISHDAWG]

They've been conquered ... and it was the govt that did it not some sports team. Do we need to strike the word from the dictionary as well ?

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/6pt57R37/27-C10-F94-3-A40-4-C88-B547-8-ACD69-B284-CF.jpg (https://postimg.cc/ppct4mKx)

Someone should let the Choctaw INDIANS know how offensive this term is

[Quaoarsking]

Someone should let the Choctaw INDIANS know how offensive this term is

I think it's pretty well established that every tribe uses the word "Indians" in its name. The question isn't whether the word itself is offensive, it's whether it's appropriate to use a racial group as a team name. Do you think they could have made it 2020 or even 1970 as the Cleveland Blacks?

[Rex54]

The point of things like this isn't to take it down because it's "offensive", it's because those in power cannot allow for different groups with different group interests to even be a thing. They can't allow this because they are actively pursuing a policy of replacing the American (and European) population through mass migration and how dare you notice that.

[BrunswickDawg]

Young Consumer Angle (an idea):

This is something that guys my age (born the late 70s) may not all know. We inhabit the same geographic area as the urban folks born after 2000, but we are far, far different people and basically are like foreign nations in a nation. I am not talking even ?Liberal v Conservative? from the 90?s. To the young kids really don?t like the old 80s and 90s liberals.

(1) we think psychology is for crazy people, they all have therapist like we have auto mechanics or cabinet guys
(2) we don?t know any Trans people, They have 20 Trans girls in their school
(3) we did not know a single respectable atheist person, they do not know a single religious person
(4) we don?t know any Gay people. They have 8 gay friends
(5) we expect to hear English spoken by our neighbors, they ride Ubers with fresh Afghans and Pakis everyday
(6) we grew up on American Excellence in school, they have 8 to 12 years of Cultural Marxism by 18
(7) a pregnant unwed woman was a family scandal to us, this is quite normal to them
(8) wokeness is their religion, they get it from the Social Media influencers. We older guys think people rambling on Internet monologues are Nut jobs, they are taken quite seriously by the young kids. We think people watch TV news.
(9) where people used to call out Satanic and Communist undertones in popular culture, the young kids are looking for ?white supremacy? everywhere in everybody

Baseball teams are consumer products and they need to be popular to thrive. They are quite fragile, they can?t take unpopularity of even a small loud minority. We might be quite surprised how far and how big the new group really is. Plus the owner?s Woke, Trans, or Something grandkids could have told grandpa they will self harm or stop calling them unless they change the name. Easy fix and it only bothers law abiding guys with assets, careers, and net worth to protect.

Well, being born in the early 1970s, I guess you and I grew up on wholly different planets. I've known people in therapy as long as I can remember; know trans people; know many respectable atheists and religious people (my kids have as well); have known and been friends with gay people as long as I can remember; have known and befriended immigrants my entire life; did not grow up on American Excellence - as once I got interested in history I saw that while the US is wonderful country, it has it flaws, has made its mistakes, and we should work toward reconciling the bad by creating more good. Having put 2 kids thru our education system both public and private (including THE Mississippi State University) the only difference in education now is access to information, computers, an admitted focus on teaching tolerance and equality (you know, as Jesus did), and the way they teach math sucks. Oh, and the Boomers who have been in charge of education and curriculum for the past 35 years make kids take too many standardized tests.
I know a number of unwed women who (gasp!) made a choice to have children who are incredible mothers. And thankfully, Teen pregnancy is down from highs in the 60% when you and I were teenagers and is in the 10s% now (mainly because we teach a LOT more about sex now so kids make better choices. As for Wokeness - well, there is this opposite end of the spectrum that has had a far louder voice much longer - AM talk radio, which grew into Fox News that is morphing into InfoWars/Newsmax/OAN; and yeah, people have quit listening when the right yells "SATAN" or "COMMIE" or "SOCIALIST!!" because after 80 years we know they are red herrings.

You need to turn off Fox; get out of your prepper bunker; and go see the world outside of MS.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think it's pretty well established that every tribe uses the word "Indians" in its name. The question isn't whether the word itself is offensive, it's whether it's appropriate to use a racial group as a team name. Do you think they could have made it 2020 or even 1970 as the Cleveland Blacks?

Are the Notre Dame Fighting Irish going away as well?

[Quaoarsking]

The point of things like this isn't to take it down because it's "offensive", it's because those in power cannot allow for different groups with different group interests to even be a thing. They can't allow this because they are actively pursuing a policy of replacing the American (and European) population through mass migration and how dare you notice that.

Unironically parroting the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory now? Put down the tin foil hat and stop believing the garbage you read on the Internet.

[Quaoarsking]

Are the Notre Dame Fighting Irish going away as well?

I don't know, probably not? "Indians" (in the context of Native Americans) is equivalent to whites or caucasians, not Irish specifically, which would be equivalent to a tribe name, which are fine if the have the tribe's blessing. I would assume the Irish government is aware and does not object.

If they were the Notre Dame Fighting Whites, it would have been changed decades ago.

[BeardoMSU]

Are the Notre Dame Fighting Irish going away as well?

ND is an Irish Catholic institution, lol. Try again.

[ShotgunDawg]

ND is an Irish Catholic institution, lol. Try again.

interesting point. Never thought about it that way.

[Rex54]

Unironically parroting the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory now? Put down the tin foil hat and stop believing the garbage you read on the Internet.

Conspiracy lol they literally brag about it.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5nzwwz

[Matt3467]

Was it Ben Franklin that said a democracy would only last about 200 years as people would realize they could vote their wants rather than what was best for the country?


https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-democracy-cannot-exist-as-a-permanent-form-of-government-it-can-only-exist-until-the-alexander-fraser-tytler-53-85-58.jpg

The United States isn't a democracy, or wasn't meant to be one anyway. In 1787 as Benjamin Franklin was leaving the Constitutional Convention someone asked him, "Doctor, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy?" He replied, "A republic, if you can keep it."

The difference between a republic and a democracy is individual rights (republic) vs majority rights (democracy). The people are at the whim of arbitrary power in a democracy. If whatever the 51% vote on in a democracy the 49% are subject to. The best way to describe democracy in an example I've found is (and this isn't my quote), "If 51% vote to steal your bike, you are without a bike. If 51% vote to kill you, you are out of a life. It does not matter if it is right or not, what the majority says is what happens."

John Adams wrote in a letter to John Taylor in 1814, "Remember Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes exhausts and murders itself. There never was a Democracy Yet, that did not commit suicide."

[Mobile Bay]

I think it's pretty well established that every tribe uses the word "Indians" in its name. The question isn't whether the word itself is offensive, it's whether it's appropriate to use a racial group as a team name. Do you think they could have made it 2020 or even 1970 as the Cleveland Blacks?

New Zeeland is doing fine with the name All Blacks.

[Matt3467]

Conspiracy lol they literally brag about it.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5nzwwz

Yea people like to throw around the conspiracy label to discredit or shame people. Look into the origins of the word "conspiracy theorist" and it may shock you to learn where it came from. Wasn't long ago that people that said Epstein had a private island where elites went to and were involved in pedophilia orgies were called conspiracy theorists. The "Great Reset" was a "conspiracy theory" also until big names started publicly vouching for it.

[Matt3467]

Yea people like to throw around the conspiracy label to discredit or shame people. Look into the origins of the word "conspiracy theorist" and it may shock you to learn where it came from. Wasn't long ago that people that said Epstein had a private island where elites went to and were involved in pedophilia orgies were called conspiracy theorists. The "Great Reset" was a "conspiracy theory" also until big names started publicly vouching for it.

I'll also add that the Hunter Biden "business" was a conspiracy a month ago lol or rather it was RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION!

[Lord McBuckethead]

This is correct.

That is retarded. Grow a pair guys.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Conspiracy lol they literally brag about it.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5nzwwz

Dailymotion, good source.

[Rex54]

I'll also add that the Hunter Biden "business" was a conspiracy a month ago lol or rather it was RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION!

They spent 4 years on Russia nonsense for neoliberal catladies and libtards.
They're about to flip the script and do 4 years of China nonsense for conservatards

The sheeple will continue to be sheeple.

[Rex54]

Dailymotion, good source.

Dailymotion isn't a source it's a video platform, nerd. That's like saying YouTube is a "source". But since you obviously have no argument on the topic since it's plain and open as the day is long that's the shot you're going with. Sad!

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

No it?s fact that most of the recorded world powers collapsed on themselves between 230-260 years. They all took the same path. The US is right there historically. Can we remain?

[The Federalist Engineer]

Well, being born in the early 1970s, I guess you and I grew up on wholly different planets. I've known people in therapy as long as I can remember; know trans people; know many respectable atheists and religious people (my kids have as well); have known and been friends with gay people as long as I can remember; have known and befriended immigrants my entire life; did not grow up on American Excellence - as once I got interested in history I saw that while the US is wonderful country, it has it flaws, has made its mistakes, and we should work toward reconciling the bad by creating more good. Having put 2 kids thru our education system both public and private (including THE Mississippi State University) the only difference in education now is access to information, computers, an admitted focus on teaching tolerance and equality (you know, as Jesus did), and the way they teach math sucks. Oh, and the Boomers who have been in charge of education and curriculum for the past 35 years make kids take too many standardized tests.
I know a number of unwed women who (gasp!) made a choice to have children who are incredible mothers. And thankfully, Teen pregnancy is down from highs in the 60% when you and I were teenagers and is in the 10s% now (mainly because we teach a LOT more about sex now so kids make better choices. As for Wokeness - well, there is this opposite end of the spectrum that has had a far louder voice much longer - AM talk radio, which grew into Fox News that is morphing into InfoWars/Newsmax/OAN; and yeah, people have quit listening when the right yells "SATAN" or "COMMIE" or "SOCIALIST!!" because after 80 years we know they are red herrings.

You need to turn off Fox; get out of your prepper bunker; and go see the world outside of MS.

Hilarious, I don't even live in Mississippi or even the south. Haven't done so since college. English is not even my first language.

The easiest and funniest thing is to say that I watch Infowars and OAN along with Coach Gundy from a personal bunker in Prentiss County, MS. Actually, what I said came from a 7-Figure HR VP/Consultant presenting to our company as we are considering Org-Planning and recruiting. Paraphrased to be less boring.

Topic was, staffing, managing, and leading new professional and technical labor forces. Punch line, we need special programs to manage the generational gaps and social mega-trends. Certain places are just too costly and complex to do business, like California and New Jersey. Texas and the South are great, but they will change too. We will need to incorporate programs, and Affinity group specialists (therapists) to keep some folks engaged and happy.

Romania, Thailand, Philippines, Costa Rica, and Singapore could come out as big winners (for professional employee sources) as they speak good English, cost less, and/or are much less complex to manage. Plus, it's easy to virtualize the work. Singapore, even as they are high cost, could be everything Houston is today in one professional lifespan.

Keeping it sports related, they can't move or virtualize a team like a global business. The goodwill is imbedded in their community, so they must change in that community to stay popular.