When was the last time

[Cowbell]

A P5 team was this bad on offense. One that could not score on teams with a pulse. I'm aiming to make this constructive. Who were those teams (not named Vandy) what were their issues - and how did they fix.

I honestly don't want this to be a Leach or player bashing thread. Let's just discuss football. I'm honestly looking for confidence that we will pull out of this.

[BrunswickDawg]

We are averaging 16.3 ppg.

Looking just at SEC teams against conference opponents (since that's all we play this year)
2019 Vandy was 12.8
2017 Tennessee was 14.1
2016 S. Carolina was 15.8
2015 Vandy was 13.3 and Missouri was an unreal 9.1

UT fired Butch after '17; USC did nothing (kept HC and Co-OC's); Gary Pinkel retired.

That's just the past few years in the SEC. So, yeah we are bad, but not historically bad.

Interesting side note - in 2010, MSU was next to last (11th) in scoring offense in conference play at 18.9 ppg.

[Prediction? Pain.]

I don't have time to go down the rabbit hole with you like I'd like to, but I think the general answer here is that there are bad offenses in the Power 5 every year and that the fix is just going to depend on the circumstances. Looking just at the conference, since 2009 25 SEC teams other than Vandy have averaged below 20 points per game in conference play. (We're averaging 16.3 per game now.) That includes State in 2010, 2011, and 2018, when we were 11th, 9th, and 12th in scoring offense in the SEC. Multiple offenders in that span include Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina, U. Miss., and Arkansas. (And of course Vandy.) The worst State offense in the past decade was probably 2011, when we were 90th out of 120 teams in national offensive FEI rankings. (Kentukcy and U. Miss. were both even worse, that year. (They also happen to be two of the three SEC teams against whom we scored 20+ points that year.)) If we don't improve much over the last however many games we have left, we're probably on pace to match or surpass that offense as the worst in the past decade. (We're 102nd in FEI offensive rankings out of 130 teams right now.)

Some of the bottom offenses those years fixed things by canning someone. Others fixed it by, well, just getting better the next year, kind of like Leach at WSU in 2012, when he completely torpedoed WSU's middle-of-the-pack pass-first offense from 2011, but then gradually pulled them out of the hole over the next two years before kicking ass and taking names. Who knows what's going to fix our mess. Hopefully Leach since he's already here. If not, well, nuts.

[Prediction? Pain.]

We are averaging 16.3 ppg.

Looking just at SEC teams against conference opponents (since that's all we play this year)
2019 Vandy was 12.8
2017 Tennessee was 14.1
2016 S. Carolina was 15.8
2015 Vandy was 13.3 and Missouri was an unreal 9.1

UT fired Butch after '17; USC did nothing (kept HC and Co-OC's); Gary Pinkel retired.

That's just the past few years in the SEC. So, yeah we are bad, but not historically bad.

Interesting side note - in 2010, MSU was next to last (11th) in scoring offense in conference play at 18.9 ppg.

What he said.

[BrunswickDawg]

What he said.

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[Cowbell]

We are averaging 16.3 ppg.

Looking just at SEC teams against conference opponents (since that's all we play this year)
2019 Vandy was 12.8
2017 Tennessee was 14.1
2016 S. Carolina was 15.8
2015 Vandy was 13.3 and Missouri was an unreal 9.1

UT fired Butch after '17; USC did nothing (kept HC and Co-OC's); Gary Pinkel retired.

That's just the past few years in the SEC. So, yeah we are bad, but not historically bad.

Interesting side note - in 2010, MSU was next to last (11th) in scoring offense in conference play at 18.9 ppg.

Thanks this is what I was hoping for. I don't know how to look up all that stuff so Thank you.

[BrunswickDawg]

To save time for those still suffering from Croom-induced PTSD

2008 - 12.1
2007 - 19.6
2006 - 15.8
2005 - 9.75
2004 - 17.25

[Prediction? Pain.]

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Or this:

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[Prediction? Pain.]

To save time for those still suffering from Croom-induced PTSD

2008 - 12.1
2007 - 19.6
2006 - 15.8
2005 - 9.75
2004 - 17.25

SEC ranks in scoring offense those years: 12th, 11th, 11th, 11th, 12th. Hi oh!

[HoopsDawg]

SEC ranks in scoring offense those years: 12th, 11th, 11th, 11th, 12th. Hi oh!

We are averaging 10.8 since LSU.

[BrunswickDawg]

We are averaging 10.8 since LSU.

The 2005 offense, outside of the 35 points scored against Ole Miss, averaged 5.7 ppg.

[BeardoMSU]

The 2005 offense, outside of the 35 points scored against Ole Miss, averaged 5.7 ppg.

Holy shit, lol.

[FISHDAWG]

to use an old Cliche .... you are only as strong as your weakest link. If that's the OL then find ways to shore them up either by scheming, substituting, or playing to their strong points .... If it's WR's or QB's then the same principle applies. If it's coaching then add some innovation ... if it's the drug test then convert them to mushrooms**

[HoopsDawg]

The 2005 offense, outside of the 35 points scored against Ole Miss, averaged 5.7 ppg.

strong to quite strong.

[BrunswickDawg]

Holy shit, lol.

Jackie's '03 bunch wasn't much better.

11.6 in SEC play.
Factor out the 30 vs. Vandy and it drops to 9 ppg in SEC play.

Yes, we've seen some shit-tastic offenses at MSU

[Todd4State]

We are averaging 16.3 ppg.

Looking just at SEC teams against conference opponents (since that's all we play this year)
2019 Vandy was 12.8
2017 Tennessee was 14.1
2016 S. Carolina was 15.8
2015 Vandy was 13.3 and Missouri was an unreal 9.1

UT fired Butch after '17; USC did nothing (kept HC and Co-OC's); Gary Pinkel retired.

That's just the past few years in the SEC. So, yeah we are bad, but not historically bad.

Interesting side note - in 2010, MSU was next to last (11th) in scoring offense in conference play at 18.9 ppg.

In other words most of MSU's best offenses even under Dan were when we could pass the ball adequately. Which is ironic.

[Quaoarsking]

We are averaging 10.8 since LSU.

OK, but then compare us to every other SEC team over the last decade with their best game removed.

[LC Dawg]

The title of this thread should be "If you are a long time Mississippi State fan why haven't you killed yourself?"

[R2Dawg]

To save time for those still suffering from Croom-induced PTSD

2008 - 12.1
2007 - 19.6
2006 - 15.8
2005 - 9.75
2004 - 17.25

07 was worse than that; we averaged about 7 a game non offensive TDs. We've had several non O pts this year and several TDs setup by TOs so this years is a little worse than just by the numbers too. Take away how many the O has given away on pick 6s and it looks worse.

[BeardoMSU]

The title of this thread should be "If you are a long time Mississippi State fan why haven't you killed yourself?"

Or just "Brooks was here"**

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[defiantdog]

We are averaging 10.8 since LSU.
No OOC games to pad the stats either

[Cowbell]

No OOC games to pad the stats either

Discussing conference only stats

[BrunswickDawg]

07 was worse than that; we averaged about 7 a game non offensive TDs. We've had several non O pts this year and several TDs setup by TOs so this years is a little worse than just by the numbers too. Take away how many the O has given away on pick 6s and it looks worse.

I thought of that - because I remember it seeming that way. The defense scored 4 TDS - only 2 against an SEC opponent. Special Teams only had 1 TD - against USCe. Removing those only drops the average to 16.9.

[msstate7]

When comparing current teams to past teams, it would be interesting to give the mean sec scoring that year. Without looking at any stats from the mid-2000s, I'd guess scoring is up maybe considerably the last few years.

[BrunswickDawg]

When comparing current teams to past teams, it would be interesting to give the mean sec scoring that year. Without looking at any stats from the mid-2000s, I'd guess scoring is up maybe considerably the last few years.

I'll give the mean and the median

2020 - 26.1 27.7
2019 - 22.3 23.45
2018 - 23.2 26.05
2017 - 24.9 26.2
2016 - 23.8 26.6
2015 - 21.1 22.8
2014 -24.2 25.4
2013 - 25.3 24.6
2012 - 22.6 25.6
2011 - 22.1 21.0
2010 - 23.2 26.7
2009 - 20.7 23.7

This season isn't complete, but is way up. Aside from some outlier seasons up or down, it's been relatively stable for the past decade.

[msstate7]

I'll give the mean and the median

2020 - 26.1 27.7
2019 - 22.3 23.45
2018 - 23.2 26.05
2017 - 24.9 26.2
2016 - 23.8 26.6
2015 - 21.1 22.8
2014 -24.2 25.4
2013 - 25.3 24.6
2012 - 22.6 25.6
2011 - 22.1 21.0
2010 - 23.2 26.7
2009 - 20.7 23.7

This season isn't complete, but is way up. Aside from some outlier seasons up or down, it's been relatively stable for the past decade.

Thanks.

I'm actually surprised it isn't up more the last few years.